Prophecy

[dajomaco]

Ded thank you
Fantastic ,these are inspiring.

[marie glen]

It doesn't hurt these days, for God's people to be a little prepared. ..We know "God will provide" but perhaps one of His ways of providing is to send out warnings to His people.

When I read the bible.
I see some of the things that the true Church
did to prepare for the End times.
They sold everything they had, and lived in community.

Are you suggesting we do the same.

..actually, no.. more like common sense preparation like one should take in case of large storms, etc.

I never believed in Y2K but to see people laughing about the possibility, I thought was pretty naive.. Like nothing can ever happen to man's works..

I don't believe in a 7 year stretch of 'end' days (special) tribulation (there's always tribulation somewhere, yes?) or even 3.5 years, but according to the numbers of Dan 12:11 and 12, forty-five days with the last ten days being what many prophecy buffs call the great tribulation. I simply figure if there are two definitions of the 'end' days trouble.. the one of rev 13:18 which says no buying or selling, and the one of rev 20:4, it seems like it likely (imo) starts out as the 13:18 version and escalates to the 20:4 goings on.

I had a bit of a scare this weekend.. found a reference Bible which includes Maccabees, I've never really read any of those (apocrypha) but thought well, maybe I'll look at them.. so what's the first reference I notice? One to 2 Maccabees chapter 7 about the martyrdom of a mother and 7 sons; horrible story, don't read it! :smile: It came to my mind.. perhaps this coincides with the 7 (unwritten or unshared) thunders of the Book of Revelation! chapter 10 (Yikes, more reason to advise folks to avoid if possible, as it seems to me Jesus was saying.) But then later in the day I read a little more and there is included admonition to pray for the dead.. and also for the dead (nonliving) to pray for the living.. so I excused it as not God breathed (at least to the degree of Holy Writ).. though likely very good for history..

[marie glen]

Egypt [king of the south] fell into the hands of the Muslim brotherhood today.  Rally for new President:  Our capital shall be... Jerusalem, Allah willing.  Our cry shall be 'Millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem.'

http://rabbilive.com/RabbiLIVE/Home.html


Where's my prophecy thread?

Wow! I am reading Molly's posts (and others) especially the history posts! (The beginning of this thread.) I'm missing, probably lots of the history.. I noticed Molly mentioned Nazism and Islam, on this 1st page where I was reading a bit. I've heard originally the Nazis coached the modern day Muslims on some things.. I should probably google it and do a little research on it as I'm not remembering it very well..

But, I came here to post this,
I feel I know exactly where we are in the Bible prophecy timeline.. There's lots of smokescreens in, especially the Bk of Rev - by not telling things in order, by inserts, visions within visions, etc. (By describing the seals in a blend of their infancy and their 'old age'.) But it is my sincere belief we are exactly at, or during Bk of Rev 7:(3)4.

Two crowds (being) sealed on forehead/mind

metaphorically b4 the throne [during the pause of 7:1].

I believe the pause ends when thermo-nuclear (atomic?) "warfare" is (re) released, and believe this is the opening of the 7th seal, and then there is another pause, but not as long as the first one(7:1). Funny thing is, it doesn't come right out and say it.. but it has stuck with me that way, and now thinking about it, there's the 6th seal, broken/opened - which is thermal-nuclear (the 1st) - it's a new wind and it's paused - then the 7th seal is broken / pause of thermal-nuclear broken? - so thermal-nuclear again.. then a space of time while the angels with trumpets line up, and before the 1st trumpet is blown.. This may not be right and thermal-nuclear (as warfare) occurs at the blast of the 1st trumpet. But, it is imho, and i feel very strongly, that we are currently at Rev chapter 7, verse 4.

..now back to reading.. :gsmile:

[marie glen]

Reading Molly's original posts of this thread has reminded me of Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue, which Molly also mentions.

The empires the statue represented, most historians agree, the gold, silver and bronze is Babylon, Media-PERSIA, and Greece.. The iron most believe is Rome, with towards the end, the ten toes (parallel in 'last' days to the ten kings of rev) are a blend of iron/western and clay/not western. (Daniel 2:24-44) [The Ottoman Empire, and the nations after it, being part of the clay. I believe all these others in latter days will be subdued by the iron type politics - senates, courts, architecture.. And that the Ottoman Empire was subdued/split into Saudi Arabia and Yemen by the modern iron/western organization of the League of Nations, forming much of the foundation of what is the Middle East today, and will be the Kings of the East (East of Jerusalem). And who will work closely with the 'last' days Roman/Greek world beast. (Rev 20:4b)]

The beast which Daniel later saw (7:7,19,20) is a cross-reference to the one at Rev 13:1 (ten horns). By this we find out that this beast has two of the metals of Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue, the iron and bronze. Rome and Greece (Roman/Graeco roots is how I learned it in school - the Greek/Roman as the foundations of western civilization; besides the Christian.)

Summary- Rev 13:1 - The big beast of Rev 13:1(-10) has "iron teeth" (iron columns) and "bronze claws" which it uses to "scatter/scrabble the residue" - the Greek based secularism of our day has changed and scattered/scrabbled western civilization (with its bronze claws).

This makes me think, there's a Roman/Greek foundation to the 'last' days world beast who will declare a treaty for a week, but the clay and the iron won't really mix.. it won't be real peace.. (won't endure, but wars and rumors of wars will flare up in the midst of, in challenging times until the last battle which takes place in the Middle East against Israel/Jerusalem.)

[marie glen]

P.S - it's my belief Islam (revived Caliphate/Ottoman Empire) is working even now to infiltrate nations, and the world body, which will receive authority (called breath) in Rev chapter 13, when stepping into its prime seat, will be its original head, which did not sign on originally, thus the world body expired/ was not, but then was again. [The head being the u.s. and the two horned/seated office, which dreamed it up, and which is pinpointed by the office which released (a new) fire upon the earth (over Hiroshima and Nagasaki - 13:13)

..they will work together just fine, especially after shortage due to drought (rev 12:16+Lk 23:28-31-the dry leaf) as the world body is into population controls and the nations will marvel when they see the revived OTTOMAN beast in POWER in the world body.

[marie glen]

 :iagree: on mobile can't quote right/respond at the bottom  :icon_jokercolor:

Could America become "Islamized" by 2016 with the immigration of 100 million Muslims?  How and why could this happen? Could immigration policies be put into effect that would prevent this from happening?



"..the US is solidly behind the rise to power of the Sunni Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and Syria."   Why this is dangerous to the Christians in the middle east, to Israel, the US,  and the Christian West.  How it will lead to massive Moslem immigration to the US.

http://www.vicmord.com/Newsletter_July_2011.html


Turkey, the final seat of the Islamic Caliphate and Ottoman Empire, is Sunni.  Saudi Arabia is Sunni. 
Syria and Iran are currently Shi'a.   Sunni rebels are fighting against the Shi'a government in Syria.
Sunni Moslem brotherhood has now taken over the countries of Egypt, Libya, and is in the process of trying to topple the Shi'a government of Syria.  The US gov't is standing behind them.  Why is the US gov't supporting Sunni over Shi'a?

"we are no longer a Christian Nation"
--Barack Hussein Soetoro-O'bama

"if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world."
--BHS-O

[marie glen]

Israel is...finding themselves needing more than ever a Christian America to lean on which is no longer there.

That's really sad.  And half of America and much of the world has little idea what's going on with that every day here in America.

"...we are going to fundamentally transform America".  The crowd cheers.

VeRy sad is exactLY what I thought when I read that line, no longer Israel's much needed ally. "The crowd cheers"!  :iagree:

[marie glen]

Note: "immediately after the tribulation of those days.. He will send out His angels to gather His elect.." Mt 24

"The dead in Christ rise first.. so shall we meet the Lord in the air" 1 Thess 4

"I will raise them at the lasT day"

Zech 14:4 "His feet in that day will stand" (touch down?) "Upon mt Olives" (not mt Zion) from where He left, Acts 1:19? Mt Olives "just as u saw him come so shall u SEE him return"

Rev 20:5; 21:3 -Then begins the millenium. And 500 years aFter the millenium ends is the great age of Tabernacles (500 yrs if Israel's Fall holy days prophesy the 2nd advent like the Spring ones did the 1st.

[marie glen]

Molly,

The Sunni, Shiite info was especially helpful! thanks! :hiya:

[marie glen]

I know I'm way behind.. but I can't help myself!  :rolllol:

that which restrains.. ppl think of as the Spirit of God, but perhaps it's the voice of  ppl of God which is preventing.. and the falling away,hasn't man's adult fairy tale of evolution accomplished that? Many churches and christian universities have swallowed it and TEACH God's word as compromised? (And if one things untrue maybe it all is, and more and more are falling away). And western civilization falling away from being "christendom".. And the conservative voice, which we see the endeavor to silence and the taking away is the silencing of the conservative spirit or sentiment, which holds back?

And evolution as the false teaching/prophecy, which the belief of does 'prophecy' in the sense that man will spiritually once again look to the stars for answers, as it eventually implies et's (these et's being extra terrestials).

[marie glen]

  :blah:  :hiya: I love a time of intense learning! reading Ezekiel 38 and Psalm 83 - #'s are opposite, easy to remember! I like that.. filling in some gaps.

Thanks Molly!

will I read all 76 pages of this thread? probly not  :laughing7:

[Lazarus Short]

For those who are worried about the Muslims taking over the world, Albert Pike's 1871 letter to Guisseppe Mazzini shows that it is part of a larger plan (not God's Plan):

http://www.libertyforlife.com/nwo/albert_pike.htm

I have faith that God will foil the plans of the NWO.

[marie glen]

..and even if it did, it only lasts "ten days" and there's LOTS more would need to fall in place, etc, and whatever occurs whether just in Israel or more, Jesus gave very clear signs (we're not "appointed to trouble/tribulation". (Did I read that quote here? Likely) And Jesus returns to cut it short, to rescue! (Israel from her long time enemies)

[Molly]

..and even if it did, it only lasts "ten days" and there's LOTS more would need to fall in place, etc, and whatever occurs whether just in Israel or more, Jesus gave very clear signs (we're not "appointed to trouble/tribulation". (Did I read that quote here? Likely) And Jesus returns to cut it short, to rescue! (Israel from her long time enemies)

We are not appointed to God's wrath.  I think this refers to the vials of wrath which are poured out after the great Tribulation.


For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

--1 Thess 5:9


But, Jesus tells us to expect tribulation.  He will return after the tribulation of those days [Mat 24].



"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world." [Jn 16:33]

[dajomaco]

"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace

[eaglesway]

 :2c:

God  protected Noah's household through the flood. He passed over the children of Israel when He shook Egypt and Pharoah with plagues. We are not appointed for wrath- we are appointed to be delivered and to overcome(woman to wilderness/manchild to wage war against the dragon and his seed).

We shall in no way precede those who have died in the Lord. The dead in Christ rise first, then we who remain alive will follow immediately after to meet the Lord in the air. In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. At the last trumpet. When the archangel shouts. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, at the second coming of Christ.

For the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall rise and we shall be changed.

Ain nobody gettin out
We ALLLLL goin through
Better get up in that secret place
Time to watch and pray and dooooo
Lord
Do exploits
Shine like stars
An don you worry none lil child
Won't no evil thing come night thee
Won't no plague come in your house
You're covered underneath His mighty wings
We all goin through
No need to get out
We got the glory of the Lord before us
We got the glory of the Lord behind
We got a voice say, Turn right, Turn left
Don't pay that devil any mind
We got a war cry,
Here I am send me
We got the Holy Ghost and power
We got the full armor mighty through our God
We are the Light in the Final Hour
Ain nobody gettin out
We ALLLLL goin through
Better get up in that seccret place
Time to watch and pray and do......

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

"Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.

[marie glen]

..and even if it did, it only lasts "ten days" and there's LOTS more would need to fall in place, etc, and whatever occurs whether just in Israel or more, Jesus gave very clear signs (we're not "appointed to trouble/tribulation". (Did I read that quote here? Likely) And Jesus returns to cut it short, to rescue! (Israel from her long time enemies)

We are not appointed to God's wrath.  I think this refers to the vials of wrath which are poured out after the great Tribulation.


For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

--1 Thess 5:9


But, Jesus tells us to expect tribulation.  He will return after the tribulation of those days [Mat 24].



"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world." [Jn 16:33]

amen, I think you're right..

[marie glen]

:2c:

God  protected Noah's household through the flood. He passed over the children of Israel when He shook Egypt and Pharoah with plagues. We are not appointed for wrath- we are appointed to be delivered and to overcome(woman to wilderness/manchild to wage war against the dragon and his seed).

We shall in no way precede those who have died in the Lord. The dead in Christ rise first, then we who remain alive will follow immediately after to meet the Lord in the air. In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. At the last trumpet. When the archangel shouts. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, at the second coming of Christ.

For the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall rise and we shall be changed.


"Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.

:Chinscratch: do you have a verse which says the manchild fights with the dragon? thanks..

John 9:4- "it behoveth me to be working the works of Him who sent me while it is day; night doth come, when no one is able to work"
Isaiah 26:20- "Come, My people, enter into thy inner chambers, And shut thy doors behind thee, Hide thyself shortly a moment till the indignation pass over."

Is it the view not to warn folks what comes nor the signs?

[marie glen]

He will return after the tribulation of those days [Mat 24].

amen, it's obvious (& i find myself constantly posting but can't imagine how it is so widely missed) He returns after 'the tribulation" Mt 24:28-31 - "immediately after the tribulation of those days.. will SEE the Son of man on the clouds... will send out His angels to gather His elect from the four winds.."

"Trump" -"Trumpet" and "trumpets" are all from the Greek "salpigx" "last trump" "seven trumpets", etc..

.."in the world you will have tribulation".. amen, since the beginning there has been tribulation :hiya:

[marie glen]

Does anyone know of a verse which says we shouldn't warn folks of what is prophesied, and we should tell folks, not to seek in any fashion to avoid it?   :gsmile: thanks..

[eaglesway]

 :2c:

How I see the man-child, through this entire age, and especially in the time of the end/consummation of the age)

Rev 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers,

8 and they did not prevail, nor was their place found any more in the heaven;

9 and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.(Ezekiel 28:16, James 3:16, 2 Cor2:1-12, Acts 20:29,30)

10 And I heard a great voice saying in the heaven, `Now did come the salvation, and the power, and the reign, of our God, and the authority of His Christ, because cast down was the accuser of our brethren, who is accusing them before our God day and night;

11 and they did overcome him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life -- unto death;  [the ascension of the saints(when they overcome, get 'seated' in the heavenlies, tru revival/restoration) causes the descension of the dragon, in any generation]

12 because of this be glad, ye heavens, and those in them who do tabernacle; wo to those inhabiting the land and the sea, because the Devil did go down unto you, having great wrath, having known that he hath little time.'

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast forth to the earth, he pursued the woman who did bring forth the male,

14 and there were given to the woman two wings of the great eagle, that she may fly to the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent;

15 and the serpent did cast forth after the woman, out of his mouth, water as a river, that he may cause her to be carried away by the river(Ephesians 4:14,James 3:15)

16 and the land did help the woman, and the land did open its mouth and did swallow up the river, that the dragon did cast forth out of his mouth;

17 and the dragon was angry against the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, those keeping the commands of God, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ(man-child).


Eph 2:6 and did raise [us] up together, and did seat [us] together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus(man-child caught up to throne, mature disciples, overcmers),

7 that He might show, in the ages that are coming, the exceeding riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus(to rule all nations),


Ephesians 4

11 and He gave some [as] apostles, and some [as] prophets, and some [as] proclaimers of good news, and some [as] shepherds and teachers,

12 unto the perfecting of the saints, for a work of ministration, for a building up of the body of the Christ,

13 till we may all come to the unity of the faith and of the recognition of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to a measure of stature of the fulness of the Christ(man-child),

14 that we may no more be babes, tossed and borne about by every wind of the teaching, in the sleight of men, in craftiness, unto the artifice of leading astray(dragon),

15 and, being true in love, we may increase to Him [in] all things, who is the head -- the Christ;


James 3:13 Who [is] wise and intelligent among you? let him shew out of the good behaviour his works in meekness of wisdom,

14 and if bitter zeal ye have, and rivalry in your heart, glory not, nor lie against the truth;

15 this wisdom is not descending from above, but earthly, physical, demon-like(dragon),

16 for where zeal and rivalry [are], there is insurrection and every evil matter;

17 and the wisdom from above(throne), first, indeed, is pure, then peaceable, gentle, easily entreated, full of kindness and good fruits, uncontentious, and unhypocritical: --

18 and the fruit of the righteousness in peace is sown to those making peace(man-child).

[marie glen]

Thank you, Eaglesway. What I'm gathering is you think the manchild is the mature children of God?

When I read - "the rest of her seed, those keeping the commands of God, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ(man-child)." - I thought you meant Jesus as the manchild, but then when I read "the fruit of the righteousness in peace is sown to those making peace(man-child)." - I figure you mean the manchild is the fully mature (in Christ) children of God

Am I 'hearing' what you're writing? or that is to say, as you're saying it? (thanks) :gsmile:

[redhotmagma]

EW  :thumbsup:  :HeartThrob:

[eaglesway]

Thank you, Eaglesway. What I'm gathering is you think the manchild is the mature children of God?

When I read - "the rest of her seed, those keeping the commands of God, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ(man-child)." - I thought you meant Jesus as the manchild, but then when I read "the fruit of the righteousness in peace is sown to those making peace(man-child)." - I figure you mean the manchild is the fully mature (in Christ) children of God

Am I 'hearing' what you're writing? or that is to say, as you're saying it? (thanks) :gsmile:

:2c:

Yes, you are hearing my two cents worth :o).

As Jesus is the firstborn among many brethren brought up into glory- a company of mature disciples, as James put it, "a kind of first fruits from among His creatures", Jesus the firstborn from among the dead, the overcomers as the firstfruits, mature seeds of the new creation- a free will offering.

However, by mature I do not mean,"in Christ a long time". A seed that is ready to "fall into the ground and die" is a mature seed, even if it just manifested on the stalk. I speak of the "spirit of sonship" whereby we cry "Abba Father" as children of God who are one in the death of yielding our lives up to Christ, being submerged in His life(Rom 12:1-6)- "many who are last shall be first", sharing therefore the joy of being, "seated with Christ in the heavenly realms"- a man-child caught up to His throne to rule all nations.

"He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
(Rev 21:7)

'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
(Rev 2:11)

'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.'
(Rev 2:17)

'He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS; AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father; and I will give him the morning star. 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'
(Rev 2:26-29)

'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
(Rev 3:5)

'I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'
(Rev 3:11-13)

'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"
(Rev 3:19-22)

And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He *said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true." Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
(Rev 21:5-8)

All of these promises are the inheritance of the "saints in the light"- any who persevere in "knowing Him", and valuing Him above life and the pleasures of the world(lust of the flesh, pride of the eyes, pride of life, pleasures of the mind).

So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh-- for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
(Rom 8:12-30)

For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
(Mat 20:1-16)

[dajomaco]

What I don't understand is .
If there is one Holy Spirit (IMO there IS only one Holy Spirit.)

Some one in let's say in the  1880s preaches to his generation that they had better
prepare them selves for the end of days.
What evidence would that person tie to scriptures to convince
those he was preaching to? That they were going to go through a tribulation ,
a tribulation unlike any other tribulation seen on earth.
Can we assume that it was not the Holy Spirit leading him.
After all his generation did not go through tribulation or did they?   

Some one in let's say in the  1920s preaches to his generation that they had better
prepare them selves for the end of days.
What evidence would that person tie to scriptures to convince
those he was preaching to? That they were going to go through a tribulation ,
a tribulation unlike any other tribulation seen on earth.
Can we assume that it was not the Holy Spirit leading him.
After all his generation did not go through tribulation or did they?   

Some one in let's say in the  1960s preaches to his generation that they had better
prepare them selves for the end of days.
What evidence would that person tie to scriptures to convince
those he was preaching to? That they were going to go through a tribulation ,
a tribulation unlike any other tribulation seen on earth.
Can we assume that it was not the Holy Spirit leading him.
After all his generation did not go through tribulation or did they?   

Some one in let's say in the  2010s preaches to his generation that they had better
prepare them selves for the end of days.
What evidence would that person tie to scriptures to convince
those he was preaching to? That they were going to go through a tribulation ,
a tribulation unlike any other tribulation seen on earth.
Can we assume that it was not the Holy Spirit leading him.
After all his generation did not go through tribulation or did they?