Salvation curveball

[Dave Corum]

The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum.  The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes.

Things are allowed to wander, deviate, etc...but lately we've been chasing down some pretty obscure rabbit trails IMO, and they've become the overarching "theme" of the boards of late.   I'm asking that we get a little more relevant.  This request is in lieu of just locking the thread, which I had considered but decided to attempt to redirect instead.  Thanks.

Then by all means fulfill your mission and lock it.
BUT, forget Gary's wishes for a brief moment, you will answer to the Lord, as we all must.

We WILL all answer to the Lord :o), but this forum operates for the purpose of promoting UR. None of the moderators are perfect, nor do we claim to be. Your posts have been voluminous and mostly not UR related. Finding some exceptions among  the posts of a moderator, who has posted volumes of valuable UR related posts does not change the point that you need to focus a bit more on the part of the picture that this site has bee set up to explore, expound and express.... the glorious gospel of the salvation of all. The occasional aside is fine, but lets stay on point and observe the forum guidelines please, Dave.

eaglesway, you are killing me with kindness, and I am serious. However, I will stand my ground for I am defending truth. And I know in my heart, you too know Who is truth. Frankly, I don't know what judas is causing all the concerns with my posts, and I really don't care, for my God will heal their infirmity in due time. I love you, but you just try and tell me one more time that this forum is separate from the main website - one more time. I don't believe it. I still maintain some of the lifers here should step out for a breath of fresh air - go to the main website - READ, and RISK the possibility of learning something instead of LORDINGOVER this humble, simple person who is trying to post something that in his OPINON, is worthy of exposure.
And really, who could lose? Why can't fellow brothers and sisters in Christ either CHOOSE to communicate their thoughts or IGNORE?

[reFORMer]

Sorry I didn't know you were talking about fruits and vegetables getting saved.

All the world, the cosmos, will be glorified (cf., Zech., Isa., etc.) in order to qualify as a fitting environment for glorified humanity.  This is an ancient belief (according to Fairbairn on Prophecy.)  That it was held by early Rabbis is a proof of a long existing expectation of resurrection.

[Dave Corum]

Hi Dave.  I'm not saying the main web page is irrelevant in a general sense, no.  I'm saying, if Gary decided to post 50 articles on space exploration tomorrow, it would not change that the main focus of the discussion forum is UR.  Also, that would be only 52 articles we currently would have identified that would not be UR-related, out of hundreds, if not thousands.  But that's not really the point, it's the forum at question.  I'm not going to get into a tug-of-war with you.  We don't need to do that.

As stated, other things are allowed on the forum, there is much leeway.  However, the moderators, at their discretion, may sense things wandering a bit too much, and may ask that things be redirected.  Per forum guidelines, a moderator's request is expected to be followed.  We try to not be unreasonable, but according to not only mine but several other moderators' opinions, there has been too much of a "theme" of wandering lately - to the point of over-riding/distracting - so things were requested to be redirected.

Thanks and blessings.

And you too jabcat, I love ya, but NO, and NO again, I have done nothing wrong. I will defend the truth, and you too know Who the truth is. If it makes some of the stuffy lifers here uncomfortable, why don't you advise them to IGNORE?
I'm repeating myself cause your post slipped in while responding to eaglesway.
I will not shut up, nor will I buy the silly notion IMO, that the main website has nothing to do with this forum.
I'm happy here, I'm not dumping on every post here, although I have read many and am impressed. AND LEARNED.
In otherwords, I will, if you force me, plead my case to our Lord.
That's all I can do. I love Him DEEPLY, and He loves me.

[Dave Corum]

Sorry I didn't know you were talking about fruits and vegetables getting saved.

All the world, the cosmos, will be glorified (cf., Zech., Isa., etc.) in order to qualify as a fitting environment for glorified humanity.  This is an ancient belief (according to Fairbairn on Prophecy.)  That it was held by early Rabbis is a proof of a long existing expectation of resurrection.

AMEN

[jabcat]

Dave, I don't know what you're about to respond to me, but after seeing your response to eaglesway, are you saying you should basically just be allowed to do whatever you want, and we should either be OK with it or just ignore it?

That's not how the forum works.  There are guidelines all are expected to follow.  We don't want to just "push you away".  You seem to like the site, but on the other hand, don't seem to think the rules should apply to you.  If that's not correct, please forgive me and clarify for me.

You seem to be having a problem with the moderators/"lifers".  Firstly, none of us are lifers.  Most have only been here since around 2008.  Secondly, I didn't want to get into that with you, but you persist;  Gary has asked myself as the administrator and the rest of the moderators to run the discussion forum for him.  We do so with his vision for the boards in mind.  I've personally suspected we probably even allow more than he would actually prefer, as he has suggested they be moderated tightly, that we keep the focus on UR, and that these boards are not a general discussion forum for all sorts of random topics - that there are other forums for that, which he prefers others take benefit of if that's their wish in regards to posting/discussing.

If you're not willing to do what's asked, I'll lock the thread at least temporarily and request future discussion of this matter go to PM, addressed to "all mods".  Mods, if this occurs, please CC everyone in correspondence so we're all in the loop.  Thanks all.

[reFORMer]

Post about the things of God, particularly concerning UR.  Spread the other stuff where ever you find a welcome.  It's just not here.

[jabcat]

This has to go to PM guys.  Enough of the moderation struggling out on the boards.  The thread's at least temporarily locked, and can be discussed later.  Thanks.

[jabcat]

Dave, I see you writing out an apparently lengthy reply.  I've unlocked the thread just so you can get your post in, then it will be re-locked and let's go to PM please with any further push-back on moderation issues.  Thanks.

[reFORMer]

To discuss flat earth type ideas when they come up as an aside to some topic is acceptable, just don't make them the centerpiece of tentmaker topics.

[jabcat]

To discuss flat earth type ideas when they come up as an aside to some topic is acceptable, just don't make them the centerpiece of tentmaker topics.

exactly.  that's what i've been (maybe poorly/unacceptably) been trying to explain - when things become a theme, an over-riding distraction to things UR-related, they're just not allowed to continue as such.  this is not a new requirement for the boards, or for just one person.    :2c:

[reFORMer]

I like the question about hybrid, genetically altered, human engineered beings.  It is valuable to UR discussion.   But, some of the posts elsewhere Corum has made I don't think should be very welcome.  Kooks who come to tenmaker won't miss them and educated people won't be offended by their absence so they'll be free to probe a little longer at this site.  The sun travels around the earth...it's right up there with universal salvation.  How can this be good?