Salvation curveball

[Dave Corum]

So Galileo, Sir Isaac Newton and Einstein are the unholy trinity?? OK....
...and your serious?? :Chinscratch: :Peace2:

Again, serious as a heart attack. However, IMO, a good case could be made for Nicky Copernicus to stand in for sir newton. I would have mentioned him too, but an "unholy foursome" doesn't quite have the ring to it.
If VineBranch wanted to go modern, I'd have to squeeze in the great IMO, fraudster Carl " stardusty" Sagan. Lord knows I don't miss him. :declare:

[Lazarus Short]

Let's not forget Charles Darwin, Louis Pasteur, and many others who put science on the wrong path.

[ded2daworld]

Pasteur reinstated the OT cleanliness, washing, and handling of dead bodies. Before Pasteur, a doctor would go from an barehanded autopsy right to examining pregnant women barehandedly without even washing their hands as nobody back then thought there was such a thing as bacteria.

[Dave Corum]

You stalking me ded2daworld? :eek:
Can you present evidence for your bold claim about Louie P without using the internet???
OH OH, where's that "IMO" :laughing7:

[dajomaco]

Dave I like your consistency .
I can give as much thought and consideration to your knowledge of Astronomy.
as give to your knowledge of Biology.

[dajomaco]

The anonymity of the Internet allows any one to say anything.
I can only suspect that Dave is having a lot of fun at our expense.

[Lazarus Short]

Pasteur reinstated the OT cleanliness, washing, and handling of dead bodies. Before Pasteur, a doctor would go from an barehanded autopsy right to examining pregnant women barehandedly without even washing their hands as nobody back then thought there was such a thing as bacteria.

Pasteur gets the credit, as usual, but (unless I'm mistaken) it was actually Ignaz Semmelweis who kicked off the age of medical sanitation.  It was like just Edison and Tesla.

No, I had in mind Pasteur's theory of Monomorphism, that microscopic organisms, just like macroscopic organisms, remained in a constant morphological form.  Opposed to him were the proponents of Polymorphism, who stated that these organisms did change form.  Pasteur won by the sheer weight of his scientific reputation, but he confessed on his deathbed that they were correct.   

[ded2daworld]

I knew what a genius Tesla was and what a jerk Edison was but semmelweiss is just a vague memory to me. Sounds right though. :dontknow: Thanks for the input Laz.

[Dave Corum]

dajomaco: Greetings. Apparently, moderator ded2daworld only demands that I must clearly state "IMO" when I post here.
It's stunning, IMO, that you too seem to possess some mind reading capacity like ded2daworld? Might I inquire as to your divination skills?
1) "Dave Corum" (okay, David), is my real name. 199 Main ST (The old St. Paul Luthern Church), Willow City, ND 58384 is my real address.
2) IMO, a number of you display symptoms of cognitive dissonance, btw, it has afflicted me on more than one occasion.
3) IF your statements concerning my "knowledge" of astronomy/biology refers to the junk science "so called" taught in public fool schools (IMO) - then Thanks for the compliment.
4) I respect your right to deny what you see daily. If you have an issue on what most bible translations state God's position with regards to an earth He created that cannot, will not and does not move - what can I say. :Peace2:
Now anonymous one aka: dajomaco, will you reciprocate and respect my rights?
Finally, your suspicion is wrong - totally wrong. I'm am not having fun at you or anyone's expense, and I say that as easily as I tell anyone Jesus is Lord.

[Dave Corum]

I knew what a genius Tesla was and what a jerk Edison was but semmelweiss is just a vague memory to me. Sounds right though. :dontknow: Thanks for the input Laz.

"...jerk Edison was..." :sigh:

[jabcat]

Is there some relevance to UR to be discussed in this thread? 

[marie glen]

my question:

I believe 'scientists' try to put the dna of one thing into another.. (or perhaps that's justn in the movies?! Like Spiderman? I really don't know!) Like trying to put tiger or cat's eyes in a human, to be a soldier.. yes, maybe I read that somewhere, like in a Dean Koonts book. I love that guy! "Twilight Eyes" (goblin story for grownups!) "Lightning" man oh man, where's he get his ideas? Some of them are a little chilling, like before the "Frankenstein" series.. (I wasn't as crazy about those).. But there was one where at the end of the book he included a page with a couple of internet links which showed some were actually pondering the ideas in this particular book, which had to do with a "medical lottery"... college papers written on it.. even some brainiac wrote a couple of books.. I saved that info somewhere...

Imagine folks sittin' around in an ivory tower pondering such 'ethics' as "is it better to save one life, or let one die so you can use their organs to save five lives?" Yes, I kid you not, these things were (are?) actually being pondered. And this was perhaps ten years or so I heard about it..

Maybe I wandered a little from the thread.. :dunno2: but these things are king of intriguing..

Of course if 'they' do succeed in planting strange DNA in a human, they could not get what they had done to birth another one, as Ded says, like (I can't remember, but there's something out there they've messed with the dna, a breed of dog? or is that mutations I'm thinking of? which cannot procreate..?)

[dajomaco]

dajomaco: Greetings. Apparently, moderator ded2daworld only demands that I must clearly state "IMO" when I post here.

Statement "moderator ded2daworld only demands that I must clearly state "IMO" when I post here.
This is either true or false.
If this is true. Why to you think you are the only one. Could this be part of the
affliction you speak about in #2) of your post.   

It's stunning, IMO, that you too seem to possess some mind reading capacity like ded2daworld?
David you should not be stunned. I have the ability to read other peoples posts.
I assume they used their minds to write the posts .Unless of course they are merely cutting and pasting what other minds have posted on the internet.

Might I inquire as to your divination skills?

I have had 8 years of formal education in writing skills and reading skills.
( 9 years if count kindergarten).

1) "Dave Corum" (okay, David), is my real name. 199 Main ST (The old St. Paul Luthern Church), Willow City, ND 58384 is my real address.

The anonymity of which I was referring to was the anonymity to post ideas
that the posters could not or would not be able to defend. Unless they had the anonymity of the internet.

2) IMO, a number of you display symptoms of cognitive dissonance, btw, it has afflicted me on more than one occasion.

I do not have enough expertise to make a psychological diagnoses.
How ever if you tell me that there is a psychological disorder called
cognitive dissonance and that you are afflicted by it I have no opinion
However if this is serious my intention is not to make light of it.
Seek the great physician a double minded man is unstable in all of his ways.
     
3) IF your statements concerning my "knowledge" of astronomy/biology refers to the junk science "so called" taught in public fool schools (IMO) - then Thanks for the compliment.

I was saying that your posted knowledge of astronomy and biology had integrity (not a compliment)
My opinion about public schools are that they are useful.
May-be a private Christian school is more useful. I know they are more expensive.
    
4) I respect your right to deny what you see daily. If you have an issue on what most bible translations state God's position with regards to an earth He created that cannot, will not and does not move - what can I say. 

This where we come back to the anonymity issue.
Stand beside me a Canadian, lets look at the midnight sun and you defend your idea
that the earth does not revolve around the sun.
We would if discussed as reasonable brothers and come to the conclusion
that the way you interpret the bible is wrong.
After all you said you would not deny what you saw.
Unless of coarse you are still a victim of your cognitive dissonance.

Now anonymous one aka: dajomaco, will you reciprocate and respect my rights?

I respect you as a child of God .
I have no idea what your rights are so I can as a matter of simple logic
Not respect them.

Finally, your suspicion is wrong - totally wrong. I'm am not having fun at you or anyone's expense,

This is sad news.

and I say that as easily as I tell anyone Jesus is Lord.

Jesus loves you.

[VineBranch]

IMO Isaac Newton was a Christian.  He helped found the Royal Society as a means of 'trying to find out how God's universe works'.  You were in the navy ... any thoughts on waves, storms, tides ... how does a fixed rock have those things.  Heat dispersal, winds, thermal currents, any of these sound familiar?  I think they are caused by spin, and orbit:  maybe happy bouncing bunnies but I don't think so.

[Dave Corum]

Is there some relevance to UR to be discussed in this thread?

Greetings jabcat, I feel compelled to try and answer your question.
Under normal circumstances, it would be rude to answer a question with a question, but IMO. i believe this just might be an exception to the rule.
I am a big fan of this website, of which, the forum is a small part...So let's concentrate on the main web page.
What does Mark Twain's " A War Prayer" have to do with UR?
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/a-war-prayer.html
what does this article have to do with UR?
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/MissingDay.html
Yet, both articles appear on the Tentmakers website.
IMHO, it appears to me, that UR is only a part of the BIG picture; substantial YES, but just a part.
Does that help at all answer your question? :dontknow:

[jabcat]

The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum.  The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes.

Things are allowed to wander, deviate, etc...but lately we've been chasing down some pretty obscure rabbit trails IMO, and they've become the overarching "theme" of the boards of late.   I'm asking that we get a little more relevant.  This request is in lieu of just locking the thread, which I had considered but decided to attempt to redirect instead.  Thanks.

[Dave Corum]

dajomaco, you have sucessfully hurt my one feeling... :btantrum:

[jabcat]

From the second section on the main page of the discussion forum;  under "Important - Forum Notice by Admin"

http://tentmaker.org/forum/rules-and-faq/
TM is not a "general debate forum", but a closely moderated discussion board focused on UR. All topics need to have a direct link to the discussion and exploration of UR. BASICS: >Discuss/share rather than debate/argue. >Post as "I believe"/"as I understand" rather than insult/demand. >Seek peace/show mutual respect rather than stir strife - "in love, preferring one another". Topics in this section marked with an * are MANDATORY READ prior to first post - MAKING A FIRST POST INDICATES AN AGREEMENT TO RESPECT GUIDELINES, AND WILL BE MODERATED ACCORDINGLY

[Lazarus Short]

 :iagree:

One more thing:  take good care of your thread participants!

[Dave Corum]

The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum.  The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes.

Things are allowed to wander, deviate, etc...but lately we've been chasing down some pretty obscure rabbit trails IMO, and they've become the overarching "theme" of the boards of late.   I'm asking that we get a little more relevant.  This request is in lieu of just locking the thread, which I had considered but decided to attempt to redirect instead.  Thanks.

Then by all means fulfill your mission and lock it.
BUT, forget Gary's wishes for a brief moment, you will answer to the Lord, as we all must.

[jabcat]

What is your point?  Why are you making an issue?  And why jump to these last couple of conclusions? 

[jabcat]

Did I not say I was requesting redirection RATHER than locking it?  So how does locking it become my "mission"?  That seems a distortion of what I said.

Also, do you think I don't know I answer to God?  And what does that have to do with the specific context of this particular conversation? 

If you're going to argue with what's being requested by a moderator, we'll need to take it to PM rather than here on the boards.  Thanks.

[Dave Corum]

jabcat, you appear angry, and if I caused the offense, please forgive.
I simply don't understand what I believe appears to be a double standard - "The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum.  The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes."
So you said.
I am of the OPINION, that many here pontificate; they do not avail themselves of the wealth of wisdom that is contained on the main wesite...yet you state, the main website is not an issue, YET you ask what a particular post has to do with UR???
I don't know Gary, from what I have been able to glean on the main website, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW GARY.
Do you speak for him?
Are you really telling me what his main website deals with is irrelevant to his forum?
I'm only asking,

[eaglesway]

The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum.  The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes.

Things are allowed to wander, deviate, etc...but lately we've been chasing down some pretty obscure rabbit trails IMO, and they've become the overarching "theme" of the boards of late.   I'm asking that we get a little more relevant.  This request is in lieu of just locking the thread, which I had considered but decided to attempt to redirect instead.  Thanks.

Then by all means fulfill your mission and lock it.
BUT, forget Gary's wishes for a brief moment, you will answer to the Lord, as we all must.

We WILL all answer to the Lord :o), but this forum operates for the purpose of promoting UR. None of the moderators are perfect, nor do we claim to be. Your posts have been voluminous and mostly not UR related. Finding some exceptions among  the posts of a moderator, who has posted volumes of valuable UR related posts does not change the point that you need to focus a bit more on the part of the picture that this site has bee set up to explore, expound and express.... the glorious gospel of the salvation of all. The occasional aside is fine, but lets stay on point and observe the forum guidelines please, Dave.

[jabcat]

Hi Dave.  I'm not saying the main web page is irrelevant in a general sense, no.  I'm saying, if Gary decided to post 50 articles on space exploration tomorrow, it would not change that the main focus of the discussion forum is UR.  Also, that would be only 52 articles we currently would have identified that would not be UR-related, out of hundreds, if not thousands.  But that's not really the point, it's the forum at question.  I'm not going to get into a tug-of-war with you.  We don't need to do that.

As stated, other things are allowed on the forum, there is much leeway.  However, the moderators, at their discretion, may sense things wandering a bit too much, and may ask that things be redirected.  Per forum guidelines, a moderator's request is expected to be followed.  We try to not be unreasonable, but according to not only mine but several other moderators' opinions, there has been too much of a "theme" of wandering lately - to the point of over-riding/distracting - so things were requested to be redirected.

Thanks and blessings.