Yes, Jesus will save all men (women).
But what about hybrids and transhumans?
Have you seen the cover of Time where some "thing" is connected via a computer cable?
http://www.singularityweblog.com/the-technological-singularity-goes-mainstream-again/
QUESTION: Does Jesus save even these?
Sorry, if this has been covered before, please provide a link.
The blizzard is over and I have got to get back to work.
IMO,There are no hybrids. Each produces according to it's kind as stated in genesis. Dogs only beget other dogs, cats only beget other cats. they can't breed together to form anything. Humans only beget other humans.
I don't know what you mean by transhumans, one is either a descendant of Adam with sinful blood or one isn't.
With all due respect de2daworld, there most certainly are hybrids, as any gardener will tell you. Hybrid seeds cannot be saved for next years planting because they cannot reproduce aka: "terminator gene". "The Frankenfoods" engineers at Monsanto have come a long way in GMO. Hybrid seeds do NOT conform to God's law.
That is just one of many examples in plants.
Surely you don't think that mad scientists haven't been messing around with man's DNA?
DARPA would love super soldiers - robiotics mingled with cell technologies is old news and not the subject of conspiracy theories any more.
Again, and with all due respect, I strongly urge you to do some simple research into the matter at issue. A good saying:
"Those unaware, are unaware they are unaware". DECEPTION is the devil's game.
Matt.10:26
It HAS been revealed, please look. :Pray:
Sorry I didn't know you were talking about fruits and vegetables getting saved.
IMO,Of course there are hybrids like horse, jack ass, to mule they are still of the equine kind. there are no hybrids that are out of their kind - felines beget felines, canines beget canines, and humans beget humans. :2c:
Just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't mean they haven't looked at the facts, it means they disagree with you. :Peace2:
Dave, it may be worse than you say. All the bizarre probing and manipulation by "aliens" [read, demons] is, in my opinion, an attempt to insinuate themselves into the human genome - a desperate attempt to ride along on mankind's assured salvation. They will fail. as God is not deceived.
Quote from: Lazarus Short on March 06, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
Dave, it may be worse than you say. All the bizarre probing and manipulation by "aliens" [read, demons] is, in my opinion, an attempt to insinuate themselves into the human genome - a desperate attempt to ride along on mankind's assured salvation. They will fail. as God is not deceived.
Agreed Lazarus Short, on both points! Spot on IMO. :winkgrin:
Lazarus Short, I forgot to ask you: Do you believe "they" have had some success already in their dastardly undertakings, AND IF you do, did Jesus die for them? That is the "curve ball" I am referring to. I believe the English might call this a "sticky wicket" :gimmefive:
Revelation 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true. - "Everything" includes Hybrids?
Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Colossians 1:20
And through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens.
Hebrews 4:13
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Whatever happens in this earth, God knew it before it happened, yes our Lord has a plan :Peace2:
Quote from: misszoolander on March 06, 2013, 11:01:16 PM
Revelation 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true. - "Everything" includes Hybrids?
Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Colossians 1:20
And through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens.
Hebrews 4:13
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Whatever happens in this earth, God knew it before it happened, yes our Lord has a plan :Peace2:
WELL SAID, yes, I now believe it includes hybrids/transhumans. :dsunny:
:friendstu: :dsunny:
At the risk of sounding intolerant but this all sounds very out there for me. Demons imbedding themselves in the human genome? Really? I really struggle with conspiracy theory.
Dave and Shawn, there is limited information to go on, I haven't read much UFO stuff in many years, and even got rid of the UFO books I did have. However, I recently read a Christian-oriented book about the phenom, looking at it from a spiritual standpoint. I thought hard about what the probes, procedures, and experiments had to mean, and breeding demon-dwelt hybrids was my conclusion. As to the reason, I decided they intended to wipe out humanity and stand in its place, demanding pardon as the last remaining "humans." Just more of my dot-connecting, and you are free to come to another conclusion.
LOL, You've got to be kidding right? Hands up anyone here who thinks God can be fooled ... come on, don't be shy. When God went for a soda, someone slipped something He didn't expect into the mix, and now He's no wiser. Okay, come on now, anyone? Imagine the look on God's face when He finds out. Won't He feel silly.
IMO what you are saying Dave, is God didn't see this coming! What a moron He is. Sticky Wicket indeed. IMO You are saying that you think the creator of DNA can't spot it at a glance. It says, when I am lifted up I shall draw all ... the 'men' was added to the English, it's even marked as added in the text itself. Hey, remember: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (Joh 3:16) I don't see an exception based on our ignorance of what will be called whoseover in the future. Just my :2c:.
Well I just feel stupid for not believing in Aliens or hybrid humans or transhumans or the sun orbiting the earth. Humans and animals will continue to produce each after their kind as Genesis says. No amount of Natural selection or intentional breeding selection has proven to go beyond certain limits of the kind, equine, canine, feline, anthropoid, pachyderm, human, etc.
A ton of variety within the kind. A horse mating (Equine) mating with a cow(bovine) will not produce an animal at all, much less an animal that is a new kind, half and half of each. So something is a human with Adam's sinful blood flowing through their veins or they aren't. Just :2c: from a stupid former biology teacher. :Peace2:
Quote from: Lazarus Short on March 07, 2013, 01:57:05 AM
Dave and Shawn, there is limited information to go on, I haven't read much UFO stuff in many years, and even got rid of the UFO books I did have. However, I recently read a Christian-oriented book about the phenom, looking at it from a spiritual standpoint. I thought hard about what the probes, procedures, and experiments had to mean, and breeding demon-dwelt hybrids was my conclusion. As to the reason, I decided they intended to wipe out humanity and stand in its place, demanding pardon as the last remaining "humans." Just more of my dot-connecting, and you are free to come to another conclusion.
I agree with your beliefs on this, and God did promise to send STRONG delusion to His creation for most have kicked Him out of the classroom - replaced with insane evilution, IMO definately out of government and governance, and frankly IMO, out of most people's daily life. Can't put my finger on the guys name but some secular, agnostic shrink did a study on abductees to DISPROVE their experiences as reality and assign some shrink term to describe the phenomenon that was going global - Even he eventually became convinced the experiences were real, valid, and he went so far as to conclude these ufo guy's weren't "ET's" in the hollywood sense, but demons in the biblical sense.
Furthermore, IMO, Satan is a perfectly created evil, and programmed (DNA) to hate God's creation, especially man, who was created just a little lower than the angels. :thumbsup:
Quote from: VineBranch on March 07, 2013, 07:45:07 AM
LOL, You've got to be kidding right? Hands up anyone here who thinks God can be fooled ... come on, don't be shy. When God went for a soda, someone slipped something He didn't expect into the mix, and now He's no wiser. Okay, come on now, anyone? Imagine the look on God's face when He finds out. Won't He feel silly.
IMO what you are saying Dave, is God didn't see this coming! What a moron He is. Sticky Wicket indeed. IMO You are saying that you think the creator of DNA can't spot it at a glance. It says, when I am lifted up I shall draw all ... the 'men' was added to the English, it's even marked as added in the text itself. Hey, remember: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (Joh 3:16) I don't see an exception based on our ignorance of what will be called whoseover in the future. Just my :2c:.
VineBranch, I'm serious as a heart attack, AND I'll assume all blame that it appears I didn't make my opinions clear on this matter, so I'll try to clarify.
1) IMO, God cannot be fooled; This is part of His plan:
2) IMO, and again, God did "see this coming" as it is part of His plan;
3) The "sticky wicket" reference applies to mortal man (me) pondering the question I asked, to wit: "IMO believe Jesus came to save all MEN, but what about hybrids/transhumans..." Sorry for the confusion.BTW, misszoolander did a nice job clarifying this whole thing IMO.
Quote from: ded2daworld on March 07, 2013, 08:09:33 AM
Well I just feel stupid for not believing in Aliens or hybrid humans or transhumans or the sun orbiting the earth. Humans and animals will continue to produce each after their kind as Genesis says. No amount of Natural selection or intentional breeding selection has proven to go beyond certain limits of the kind, equine, canine, feline, anthropoid, pachyderm, human, etc.
A ton of variety within the kind. A horse mating (Equine) mating with a cow(bovine) will not produce an animal at all, much less an animal that is a new kind, half and half of each. So something is a human with Adam's sinful blood flowing through their veins or they aren't. Just :2c: from a stupid former biology teacher. :Peace2:
My apologies to you too ded2daworld, in that I see I fell short on clarity in my additional posts to you. IMO, you are too hard on yourself by feeling "stupid", might I suggest "ignorant", which IMO is not a bad word, and is easily "cureable" with information you have not seen, again, my opinion.
1) I'm in total agreement, that "Humans and animals will continue to produce each after their kind..." Totally. BUT, with one caveat: IMO, you are not factoring into the equation that man has made great advances in biogenetics et al, and he can now artifically create and defy God's laws on kinds begat kinds - not only can, but exhaustive evidence exisists to prove science most definately has/is - leaps and bounds, amazing advances with incredible moral dilemmas IMO.
2) You appear to agree on hybrid plants, (Question): Do you agree that GMO technologies exist for plants?
3) (Question) Do you believe GMO type techs can be applied to man and animals?
4) IMO, without too much searching, I'm confident you will discover that already a number of animal genes have been "spliced" into a number of plant genes such hopelessly modifying original DNA of both.
5) IMO, without too much searching, "scientists" of the Dr Franknstein order, are working on adding a THIRD strand to man's DNA - And IMO, I believe they are already successful. Yep, IMO, they walk amongst us now. Demon given technologies IMO.
Finally, re: "fixed earth" beliefs, all I can say IMO, IF you can't believe God who clearly says the earth doesn't, won't and cannot move, and you can't believe God on "fixed foundations", and you will deny what your own eyes show you every morning and every day, I therefore am speechless on the subject. IMO, you are most certainly entitled to your opinion, and I do respect that. Question: Can we agree to disagree and remain friends and brothers? :dsunny:
ded2daworld: question please:
1) I just caught this quote from your last post - "from a stupid former biology teacher". Would you be willing to tell me the reason for that? In other words, what spirit motivated you to write that and what am I to take from that?
2) RE: Isaiah 66:1 - I happen to have a "footstool" by my easy chair, and I assure you it is not revolving around my chair, for the day it does, I'm taking it back - or maybe I'll put it on display.
Come on, I meant that as a little humor to lighten this up :LH:
1.) Dave, you know from your experience with evolution that scientist plain lie. It's how they get funding for their research to come to conclusions the funder wants them to. They would like people to think they are wizards, but only God can circumvent the laws he has set in place. They can splice genes together all they want but the resultant creature, just like the mule, is sterile.
2.)Of course Monsanto has been selling their GMO seeds for years - again it is for profit. Farmers that won't buy their seeds are systematically being put out of business. -and new seed much be bought each year.
3.) I know they do GMO on animals. It's still against the law to try it on humans
4.) The key phrase is "hopelessly modifying the original DNA of both." True because without reproduction capacity it's just a curious anomoly.
5.) Scientist can and will "work on" whatever as long as the funding is there. Find something new and unusual and they can assure funding for life like Donald Carl Johanson and Dr. Mary Leaky did with his rediculous but believed claims of his find nicknamed "Lucy". If the sun orbits the earth in a day how come for six months the sun never "sets" in Northern Alaska? That isn't a completed orbit if the sun is constantly visible is it?
If disagreement prevented people from being friends and brothers, there wouldn't be any friends or brothers because no two people on earth agree on every single thing. :Peace2:
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 07, 2013, 03:13:14 PM
3) The "sticky wicket" reference applies to mortal man (me) pondering the question I asked, to wit: "IMO believe Jesus came to save all MEN, but what about hybrids/transhumans..." Sorry for the confusion.
There was no confusion Dave. In you OP you were very clear. Your post included these words: "QUESTION: Does Jesus save even these?": you were referring to transhumans and hybrids. My response was to show that to ask that question would by its nature imply ignorance on God's part. Notice the wording: "IMO what you are saying Dave, is God didn't see this coming!" In order to ask the question does Jesus say even these, you are asking if all means all. I tried to explain that the 'men' was added to facilitate flow in the English text . Your response seems to imply you are still thinking it is part of the original. It isn't.
You told MissZ: "WELL SAID, yes, I now believe it includes hybrids/transhumans." Great, your question has been answered right? Let's move on. Then you told me in your anti-penultimate post: "VineBranch, I'm serious as a heart attack, AND I'll assume all blame that it appears I didn't make my opinions clear on this matter, so I'll try to clarify." Which seems to say you don't believe it. As the kids say whatup?
Dave, the footstool "joke" made no sense. Of course the footstool does not revolve around your easy chair. NEITHER does your easy chair revolve around the footstool.
The reason for the comment that "from a stupid former biology teacher" IMO you strongly imply that if we don't see things your way we are "willfully ignorant" because we don't get all our facts from the internet - the last bastion of truth.
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 07, 2013, 03:37:07 PM
Finally, re: "fixed earth" beliefs, all I can say IMO, IF you can't believe God who clearly says the earth doesn't, won't and cannot move, and you can't believe God on "fixed foundations", and you will deny what your own eyes show you every morning and every day, I therefore am speechless on the subject.
This is a joke right? Moon phases, retrograde, seasons, they mean ...? There's a new book out by a daring young cutting edge scientist who shows there may be some truth in the notion that the sun may be the center of the solar system. You might want to check him out. His name is Galileo Galilei, I highly recommend him.
Quote from: ded2daworld on March 07, 2013, 04:40:45 PM
Dave, the footstool "joke" made no sense. Of course the footstool does not revolve around your easy chair. NEITHER does your easy chair revolve around the footstool.
The reason for the comment that "from a stupid former biology teacher" IMO you strongly imply that if we don't see things your way we are "willfully ignorant" because we don't get all our facts from the internet - the last bastion of truth.
WOW, seriously, you have the ability to infer from what I write and call it a fact? IF you are "willfully ignorant", that is your choice, and I do respect it - some claim ignorance is bliss.
From your post prior to this one, I see alot of opinions passing for facts - I'm sorry, I disagree. Murder sir, is "against the law" and IMO I believe it happens everyday. If you have a better source to find out what DARPA et al are funding and up to, please share it. http://www.darpa.mil/
BTW: Tentmakers.org is on the internet, and frankly IMO, it, like a number of websites contains a great deal of truth.
Finally, infer what you like from this question, but I'll tell you my intentions are most honorable:
Question: As a qualified to teach biology instructor, did you come by your knowledge by independent research, or did you obtain a degree from a college/university, and if the answer is yes, which IMO I strongly suspect it is, nothing need more be said, for I too have been to college - 5 of them and in each it was the same: Teacher say, student repeat. Student repeat accurately, G.P.A. goes up. :winkgrin:
Quote from: VineBranch on March 07, 2013, 05:07:51 PM
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 07, 2013, 03:37:07 PM
Finally, re: "fixed earth" beliefs, all I can say IMO, IF you can't believe God who clearly says the earth doesn't, won't and cannot move, and you can't believe God on "fixed foundations", and you will deny what your own eyes show you every morning and every day, I therefore am speechless on the subject.
This is a joke right? Moon phases, retrograde, seasons, they mean ...? There's a new book out by a daring young cutting edge scientist who shows there may be some truth in the notion that the sun may be the center of the solar system. You might want to check him out. His name is Galileo Galilei, I highly recommend him.
VineBranch, much of this has been posted in: http://tentmaker.org/forum/christian-life/joshua's-'long-day'/
Frankly, I'm not surprised by what you have written that you would recommend - IMO - the huckster Galileo. What does surprise me is you failed to mention - IMO - the other 2 of the unholy trinity - Sir Newton and Einstein.
As you say, what's up with that? :sigh:
So Galileo, Sir Isaac Newton and Einstein are the unholy trinity?? OK....
...and your serious?? :Chinscratch: :Peace2:
Quote from: ded2daworld on March 07, 2013, 07:09:39 PM
So Galileo, Sir Isaac Newton and Einstein are the unholy trinity?? OK....
...and your serious?? :Chinscratch: :Peace2:
Again, serious as a heart attack. However, IMO, a good case could be made for Nicky Copernicus to stand in for sir newton. I would have mentioned him too, but an "unholy foursome" doesn't quite have the ring to it.
If VineBranch wanted to go modern, I'd have to squeeze in the great IMO, fraudster Carl " stardusty" Sagan. Lord knows I don't miss him. :declare:
Let's not forget Charles Darwin, Louis Pasteur, and many others who put science on the wrong path.
Pasteur reinstated the OT cleanliness, washing, and handling of dead bodies. Before Pasteur, a doctor would go from an barehanded autopsy right to examining pregnant women barehandedly without even washing their hands as nobody back then thought there was such a thing as bacteria.
You stalking me ded2daworld? :eek:
Can you present evidence for your bold claim about Louie P without using the internet???
OH OH, where's that "IMO" :laughing7:
Dave I like your consistency .
I can give as much thought and consideration to your knowledge of Astronomy.
as give to your knowledge of Biology.
The anonymity of the Internet allows any one to say anything.
I can only suspect that Dave is having a lot of fun at our expense.
Quote from: ded2daworld on March 07, 2013, 07:54:42 PM
Pasteur reinstated the OT cleanliness, washing, and handling of dead bodies. Before Pasteur, a doctor would go from an barehanded autopsy right to examining pregnant women barehandedly without even washing their hands as nobody back then thought there was such a thing as bacteria.
Pasteur gets the credit, as usual, but (unless I'm mistaken) it was actually Ignaz Semmelweis who kicked off the age of medical sanitation. It was like just Edison and Tesla.
No, I had in mind Pasteur's theory of Monomorphism, that microscopic organisms, just like macroscopic organisms, remained in a constant morphological form. Opposed to him were the proponents of Polymorphism, who stated that these organisms did change form. Pasteur won by the sheer weight of his scientific reputation, but he confessed on his deathbed that they were correct.
I knew what a genius Tesla was and what a jerk Edison was but semmelweiss is just a vague memory to me. Sounds right though. :dontknow: Thanks for the input Laz.
dajomaco: Greetings. Apparently, moderator ded2daworld only demands that I must clearly state "IMO" when I post here.
It's stunning, IMO, that you too seem to possess some mind reading capacity like ded2daworld? Might I inquire as to your divination skills?
1) "Dave Corum" (okay, David), is my real name. 199 Main ST (The old St. Paul Luthern Church), Willow City, ND 58384 is my real address.
2) IMO, a number of you display symptoms of cognitive dissonance, btw, it has afflicted me on more than one occasion.
3) IF your statements concerning my "knowledge" of astronomy/biology refers to the junk science "so called" taught in public fool schools (IMO) - then Thanks for the compliment.
4) I respect your right to deny what you see daily. If you have an issue on what most bible translations state God's position with regards to an earth He created that cannot, will not and does not move - what can I say. :Peace2:
Now anonymous one aka: dajomaco, will you reciprocate and respect my rights?
Finally, your suspicion is wrong - totally wrong. I'm am not having fun at you or anyone's expense, and I say that as easily as I tell anyone Jesus is Lord.
Quote from: ded2daworld on March 07, 2013, 09:30:45 PM
I knew what a genius Tesla was and what a jerk Edison was but semmelweiss is just a vague memory to me. Sounds right though. :dontknow: Thanks for the input Laz.
"...jerk Edison was..." :sigh:
Is there some relevance to UR to be discussed in this thread?
my question:
I believe 'scientists' try to put the dna of one thing into another.. (or perhaps that's justn in the movies?! Like Spiderman? I really don't know!) Like trying to put tiger or cat's eyes in a human, to be a soldier.. yes, maybe I read that somewhere, like in a Dean Koonts book. I love that guy! "Twilight Eyes" (goblin story for grownups!) "Lightning" man oh man, where's he get his ideas? Some of them are a little chilling, like before the "Frankenstein" series.. (I wasn't as crazy about those).. But there was one where at the end of the book he included a page with a couple of internet links which showed some were actually pondering the ideas in this particular book, which had to do with a "medical lottery"... college papers written on it.. even some brainiac wrote a couple of books.. I saved that info somewhere...
Imagine folks sittin' around in an ivory tower pondering such 'ethics' as "is it better to save one life, or let one die so you can use their organs to save five lives?" Yes, I kid you not, these things were (are?) actually being pondered. And this was perhaps ten years or so I heard about it..
Maybe I wandered a little from the thread.. :dunno2: but these things are king of intriguing..
Of course if 'they' do succeed in planting strange DNA in a human, they could not get what they had done to birth another one, as Ded says, like (I can't remember, but there's something out there they've messed with the dna, a breed of dog? or is that mutations I'm thinking of? which cannot procreate..?)
dajomaco: Greetings. Apparently, moderator ded2daworld only demands that I must clearly state "IMO" when I post here.
Statement "moderator ded2daworld only demands that I must clearly state "IMO" when I post here.
This is either true or false.
If this is true. Why to you think you are the only one. Could this be part of the
affliction you speak about in #2) of your post.
It's stunning, IMO, that you too seem to possess some mind reading capacity like ded2daworld?
David you should not be stunned. I have the ability to read other peoples posts.
I assume they used their minds to write the posts .Unless of course they are merely cutting and pasting what other minds have posted on the internet.
Might I inquire as to your divination skills?
I have had 8 years of formal education in writing skills and reading skills.
( 9 years if count kindergarten).
1) "Dave Corum" (okay, David), is my real name. 199 Main ST (The old St. Paul Luthern Church), Willow City, ND 58384 is my real address.
The anonymity of which I was referring to was the anonymity to post ideas
that the posters could not or would not be able to defend. Unless they had the anonymity of the internet.
2) IMO, a number of you display symptoms of cognitive dissonance, btw, it has afflicted me on more than one occasion.
I do not have enough expertise to make a psychological diagnoses.
How ever if you tell me that there is a psychological disorder called
cognitive dissonance and that you are afflicted by it I have no opinion
However if this is serious my intention is not to make light of it.
Seek the great physician a double minded man is unstable in all of his ways.
3) IF your statements concerning my "knowledge" of astronomy/biology refers to the junk science "so called" taught in public fool schools (IMO) - then Thanks for the compliment.
I was saying that your posted knowledge of astronomy and biology had integrity (not a compliment)
My opinion about public schools are that they are useful.
May-be a private Christian school is more useful. I know they are more expensive.
4) I respect your right to deny what you see daily. If you have an issue on what most bible translations state God's position with regards to an earth He created that cannot, will not and does not move - what can I say.
This where we come back to the anonymity issue.
Stand beside me a Canadian, lets look at the midnight sun and you defend your idea
that the earth does not revolve around the sun.
We would if discussed as reasonable brothers and come to the conclusion
that the way you interpret the bible is wrong.
After all you said you would not deny what you saw.
Unless of coarse you are still a victim of your cognitive dissonance.
Now anonymous one aka: dajomaco, will you reciprocate and respect my rights?
I respect you as a child of God .
I have no idea what your rights are so I can as a matter of simple logic
Not respect them.
Finally, your suspicion is wrong - totally wrong. I'm am not having fun at you or anyone's expense,
This is sad news.
and I say that as easily as I tell anyone Jesus is Lord.
Jesus loves you.
IMO Isaac Newton was a Christian. He helped found the Royal Society as a means of 'trying to find out how God's universe works'. You were in the navy ... any thoughts on waves, storms, tides ... how does a fixed rock have those things. Heat dispersal, winds, thermal currents, any of these sound familiar? I think they are caused by spin, and orbit: maybe happy bouncing bunnies but I don't think so.
Quote from: jabcat on March 07, 2013, 10:43:00 PM
Is there some relevance to UR to be discussed in this thread?
Greetings jabcat, I feel compelled to try and answer your question.
Under normal circumstances, it would be rude to answer a question with a question, but IMO. i believe this just might be an exception to the rule.
I am a big fan of this website, of which, the forum is a small part...So let's concentrate on the main web page.
What does Mark Twain's " A War Prayer" have to do with UR?
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/a-war-prayer.html
what does this article have to do with UR?
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/MissingDay.html
Yet, both articles appear on the Tentmakers website.
IMHO, it appears to me, that UR is only a part of the BIG picture; substantial YES, but just a part.
Does that help at all answer your question? :dontknow:
The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum. The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes.
Things are allowed to wander, deviate, etc...but lately we've been chasing down some pretty obscure rabbit trails IMO, and they've become the overarching "theme" of the boards of late. I'm asking that we get a little more relevant. This request is in lieu of just locking the thread, which I had considered but decided to attempt to redirect instead. Thanks.
dajomaco, you have sucessfully hurt my one feeling... :btantrum:
From the second section on the main page of the discussion forum; under "Important - Forum Notice by Admin"
http://tentmaker.org/forum/rules-and-faq/
TM is not a "general debate forum", but a closely moderated discussion board focused on UR. All topics need to have a direct link to the discussion and exploration of UR. BASICS: >Discuss/share rather than debate/argue. >Post as "I believe"/"as I understand" rather than insult/demand. >Seek peace/show mutual respect rather than stir strife - "in love, preferring one another". Topics in this section marked with an * are MANDATORY READ prior to first post - MAKING A FIRST POST INDICATES AN AGREEMENT TO RESPECT GUIDELINES, AND WILL BE MODERATED ACCORDINGLY
:iagree:
One more thing: take good care of your thread participants!
Quote from: jabcat on March 08, 2013, 06:07:41 AM
The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum. The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes.
Things are allowed to wander, deviate, etc...but lately we've been chasing down some pretty obscure rabbit trails IMO, and they've become the overarching "theme" of the boards of late. I'm asking that we get a little more relevant. This request is in lieu of just locking the thread, which I had considered but decided to attempt to redirect instead. Thanks.
Then by all means fulfill your mission and lock it.
BUT, forget Gary's wishes for a brief moment, you will answer to the Lord, as we all must.
What is your point? Why are you making an issue? And why jump to these last couple of conclusions?
Did I not say I was requesting redirection RATHER than locking it? So how does locking it become my "mission"? That seems a distortion of what I said.
Also, do you think I don't know I answer to God? And what does that have to do with the specific context of this particular conversation?
If you're going to argue with what's being requested by a moderator, we'll need to take it to PM rather than here on the boards. Thanks.
jabcat, you appear angry, and if I caused the offense, please forgive.
I simply don't understand what I believe appears to be a double standard - "The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum. The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes."
So you said.
I am of the OPINION, that many here pontificate; they do not avail themselves of the wealth of wisdom that is contained on the main wesite...yet you state, the main website is not an issue, YET you ask what a particular post has to do with UR???
I don't know Gary, from what I have been able to glean on the main website, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW GARY.
Do you speak for him?
Are you really telling me what his main website deals with is irrelevant to his forum?
I'm only asking,
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 08, 2013, 06:19:51 AM
Quote from: jabcat on March 08, 2013, 06:07:41 AM
The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum. The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes.
Things are allowed to wander, deviate, etc...but lately we've been chasing down some pretty obscure rabbit trails IMO, and they've become the overarching "theme" of the boards of late. I'm asking that we get a little more relevant. This request is in lieu of just locking the thread, which I had considered but decided to attempt to redirect instead. Thanks.
Then by all means fulfill your mission and lock it.
BUT, forget Gary's wishes for a brief moment, you will answer to the Lord, as we all must.
We WILL all answer to the Lord :o), but this forum operates for the purpose of promoting UR. None of the moderators are perfect, nor do we claim to be. Your posts have been voluminous and mostly not UR related. Finding some exceptions among the posts of a moderator, who has posted volumes of valuable UR related posts does not change the point that you need to focus a bit more on the part of the picture that this site has bee set up to explore, expound and express.... the glorious gospel of the salvation of all. The occasional aside is fine, but lets stay on point and observe the forum guidelines please, Dave.
Hi Dave. I'm not saying the main web page is irrelevant in a general sense, no. I'm saying, if Gary decided to post 50 articles on space exploration tomorrow, it would not change that the main focus of the discussion forum is UR. Also, that would be only 52 articles we currently would have identified that would not be UR-related, out of hundreds, if not thousands. But that's not really the point, it's the forum at question. I'm not going to get into a tug-of-war with you. We don't need to do that.
As stated, other things are allowed on the forum, there is much leeway. However, the moderators, at their discretion, may sense things wandering a bit too much, and may ask that things be redirected. Per forum guidelines, a moderator's request is expected to be followed. We try to not be unreasonable, but according to not only mine but several other moderators' opinions, there has been too much of a "theme" of wandering lately - to the point of over-riding/distracting - so things were requested to be redirected.
Thanks and blessings.
Quote from: eaglesway on March 08, 2013, 06:47:05 AM
Quote from: Dave Corum on March 08, 2013, 06:19:51 AM
Quote from: jabcat on March 08, 2013, 06:07:41 AM
The concentration is not on the main web page when it comes to the forum. The forum is attempted to be mostly focused on things related to UR per Gary's wishes.
Things are allowed to wander, deviate, etc...but lately we've been chasing down some pretty obscure rabbit trails IMO, and they've become the overarching "theme" of the boards of late. I'm asking that we get a little more relevant. This request is in lieu of just locking the thread, which I had considered but decided to attempt to redirect instead. Thanks.
Then by all means fulfill your mission and lock it.
BUT, forget Gary's wishes for a brief moment, you will answer to the Lord, as we all must.
We WILL all answer to the Lord :o), but this forum operates for the purpose of promoting UR. None of the moderators are perfect, nor do we claim to be. Your posts have been voluminous and mostly not UR related. Finding some exceptions among the posts of a moderator, who has posted volumes of valuable UR related posts does not change the point that you need to focus a bit more on the part of the picture that this site has bee set up to explore, expound and express.... the glorious gospel of the salvation of all. The occasional aside is fine, but lets stay on point and observe the forum guidelines please, Dave.
eaglesway, you are killing me with kindness, and I am serious. However, I will stand my ground for I am defending truth. And I know in my heart, you too know Who is truth. Frankly, I don't know what judas is causing all the concerns with my posts, and I really don't care, for my God will heal their infirmity in due time. I love you, but you just try and tell me one more time that this forum is separate from the main website - one more time. I don't believe it. I still maintain some of the lifers here should step out for a breath of fresh air - go to the main website - READ, and RISK the possibility of learning something instead of LORDINGOVER this humble, simple person who is trying to post something that in his OPINON, is worthy of exposure.
And really, who could lose? Why can't fellow brothers and sisters in Christ either CHOOSE to communicate their thoughts or IGNORE?
Quote from: ded2daworld on March 06, 2013, 07:10:46 PM
Sorry I didn't know you were talking about fruits and vegetables getting saved.
All the world, the cosmos, will be glorified (cf., Zech., Isa., etc.) in order to qualify as a fitting environment for glorified humanity. This is an ancient belief (according to Fairbairn on Prophecy.) That it was held by early Rabbis is a proof of a long existing expectation of resurrection.
Quote from: jabcat on March 08, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Hi Dave. I'm not saying the main web page is irrelevant in a general sense, no. I'm saying, if Gary decided to post 50 articles on space exploration tomorrow, it would not change that the main focus of the discussion forum is UR. Also, that would be only 52 articles we currently would have identified that would not be UR-related, out of hundreds, if not thousands. But that's not really the point, it's the forum at question. I'm not going to get into a tug-of-war with you. We don't need to do that.
As stated, other things are allowed on the forum, there is much leeway. However, the moderators, at their discretion, may sense things wandering a bit too much, and may ask that things be redirected. Per forum guidelines, a moderator's request is expected to be followed. We try to not be unreasonable, but according to not only mine but several other moderators' opinions, there has been too much of a "theme" of wandering lately - to the point of over-riding/distracting - so things were requested to be redirected.
Thanks and blessings.
And you too jabcat, I love ya, but NO, and NO again, I have done nothing wrong. I will defend the truth, and you too know Who the truth is. If it makes some of the stuffy lifers here uncomfortable, why don't you advise them to IGNORE?
I'm repeating myself cause your post slipped in while responding to eaglesway.
I will not shut up, nor will I buy the silly notion IMO, that the main website has nothing to do with this forum.
I'm happy here, I'm not dumping on every post here, although I have read many and am impressed. AND LEARNED.
In otherwords, I will, if you force me, plead my case to our Lord.
That's all I can do. I love Him DEEPLY, and He loves me.
Quote from: reFORMer on March 08, 2013, 07:25:22 AM
Quote from: ded2daworld on March 06, 2013, 07:10:46 PM
Sorry I didn't know you were talking about fruits and vegetables getting saved.
All the world, the cosmos, will be glorified (cf., Zech., Isa., etc.) in order to qualify as a fitting environment for glorified humanity. This is an ancient belief (according to Fairbairn on Prophecy.) That it was held by early Rabbis is a proof of a long existing expectation of resurrection.
AMEN
Dave, I don't know what you're about to respond to me, but after seeing your response to eaglesway, are you saying you should basically just be allowed to do whatever you want, and we should either be OK with it or just ignore it?
That's not how the forum works. There are guidelines all are expected to follow. We don't want to just "push you away". You seem to like the site, but on the other hand, don't seem to think the rules should apply to you. If that's not correct, please forgive me and clarify for me.
You seem to be having a problem with the moderators/"lifers". Firstly, none of us are lifers. Most have only been here since around 2008. Secondly, I didn't want to get into that with you, but you persist; Gary has asked myself as the administrator and the rest of the moderators to run the discussion forum for him. We do so with his vision for the boards in mind. I've personally suspected we probably even allow more than he would actually prefer, as he has suggested they be moderated tightly, that we keep the focus on UR, and that these boards are not a general discussion forum for all sorts of random topics - that there are other forums for that, which he prefers others take benefit of if that's their wish in regards to posting/discussing.
If you're not willing to do what's asked, I'll lock the thread at least temporarily and request future discussion of this matter go to PM, addressed to "all mods". Mods, if this occurs, please CC everyone in correspondence so we're all in the loop. Thanks all.
Post about the things of God, particularly concerning UR. Spread the other stuff where ever you find a welcome. It's just not here.
This has to go to PM guys. Enough of the moderation struggling out on the boards. The thread's at least temporarily locked, and can be discussed later. Thanks.
Dave, I see you writing out an apparently lengthy reply. I've unlocked the thread just so you can get your post in, then it will be re-locked and let's go to PM please with any further push-back on moderation issues. Thanks.
To discuss flat earth type ideas when they come up as an aside to some topic is acceptable, just don't make them the centerpiece of tentmaker topics.
Quote from: reFORMer on March 08, 2013, 07:49:42 AM
To discuss flat earth type ideas when they come up as an aside to some topic is acceptable, just don't make them the centerpiece of tentmaker topics.
exactly. that's what i've been (maybe poorly/unacceptably) been trying to explain - when things become a theme, an over-riding distraction to things UR-related, they're just not allowed to continue as such. this is not a new requirement for the boards, or for just one person. :2c:
I like the question about hybrid, genetically altered, human engineered beings. It is valuable to UR discussion. But, some of the posts elsewhere Corum has made I don't think should be very welcome. Kooks who come to tenmaker won't miss them and educated people won't be offended by their absence so they'll be free to probe a little longer at this site. The sun travels around the earth...it's right up there with universal salvation. How can this be good?