How to adjust

[VineBranch]

Once Paul's relationship with God changed, did His theology change? Obviously it did, and Paul gave us most of our doctrine and theology, ALL THE WHILE NEVER RELEASING THE ASCENDENCY OF LOVE OVER KNOWLEDGE! :o) But at no point did he encourage us to leave knowledge behind- he simply exhorted us to KEEP IT IN ITS PROPER PLACE, under the love and humility of the divine nature- a tool for edification as opposed to A WEAPON IN CONTENTIONS.

I think you got the order right, Eagle.  First God, then your relationship with Him.  You don't become right with God because your theology makes your relationship with God okay, your theology is okay because your relationship with God is right.  I think some would then go to the conclusion that if your relationship with God is okay, you don't need theology because you have the source inspiring you.  I'm not sure I wouldn't  say that myself.

[ded2daworld]

I would. I've found the more and better I know God, the less theology matters.
I wonder how much theology Adam knew as he walked with God in the Garden?
I have a few friends that haven't died off yet. I don't have to study them or read about them because
I know them. Deep down. They are friends and I believe I am a friend of God and he is a friend of mine.
I read his letters(little books) to me (I have 66) and really don't care much what others say about the 66 letters(little books)
that he sent to them. Our friendship and relationship is ours. He interacts with others differently and that's OK because they are different than me and like me, are always changing :Peace2:. Only He is the same, yesterday, now, and tomorrow.

[dajomaco]

I wonder how much theology Adam knew as he walked with God in the Garden?

I know that the above is a rhetorical question.
But I will answer it any way.
He did not know the difference between right and wrong.

My theology is :
the only way I can walk peacefully with God .
Is to purposely ignore or evaluate right or wrong.
At the same time that God is not remembering my rights and wrongs.
As we walk I tell him what I see , with-out the right or wrong concept.

[sheila]

He is a GREAT TEACHER..in the garden..God brought each animal for Adam

to oberve and name the characteristics of[nature]  This was Father teaching

Adam..and part of the preparation for Adam's God-given dominion over the earth.

...and let him have in subjection all the fish and birds and beasts etc..

  examining and naming the nature of such lower creations..both positive and negative

   intelligence is an attribute of God..wisdom from above...which He puts in our minds.

   no man will teach His brother......

  Come to me,all you who are weary and burdened,and I will give you rest....

  take my yoke upon you,and LEARN FROM ME,for I am gentle and humble of

heart,and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden light.

   God will never give us more than we can bear..His yoke is light.  But as Jesus

testified..there are religious leaders who would tie up heavy loads on men impossible

to bear.   why..they so burdened OUR LORD THAT ASSISTANCE FROM  A CYRENE

HAD TO BE PRESSED INTO SERVICE...THE LORD OF ALL GLORY NEEDED ASSIST_-

ANCE TO CARRY HIS CROSS..and the secular powers did it....no thanks

to the Pharisees,sadducees and court of the sanhedren

[eaglesway]

I wonder how much theology Adam knew as he walked with God in the Garden?

I know that the above is a rhetorical question.
But I will answer it any way.
He did not know the difference between right and wrong.

My theology is :
the only way I can walk peacefully with God .
Is to purposely ignore or evaluate right or wrong.
At the same time that God is not remembering my rights and wrongs.
As we walk I tell him what I see , with-out the right or wrong concept.

Interesting concept. Yet, not exactly scriptural so, imo not exactly theological- more like a personal philosophy, and a good philosophy if one is perfected in love.

Adam knew a lot. We don't know how long he was in the garden before he fell, but I doubt that he and God were just sitting in the lotus position, chanting some mantra. "Ohhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm". :o)  I think they were communicating on many levels.

[dajomaco]

No Doubt
They were not sitting around.

They were walking as God brought by his wonderful creatures.
Adam with a scientific Zeal would have been naming and identifying
the various characteristics of each.

He did not have to worry about being right nor wrong.
So he could do that ,that God delighted in.   

[reFORMer]

He is a GREAT TEACHER..in the garden..God brought each animal for Adam

to oberve and name the characteristics of[nature]  This was Father teaching

Adam..and part of the preparation for Adam's God-given dominion over the earth.

...and let him have in subjection all the fish and birds and beasts etc..

  examining and naming the nature of such lower creations..both positive and negative

   intelligence is an attribute of God..wisdom from above...which He puts in our minds.

   no man will teach His brother......

Though evolutionists mention the "teeming forth" of more and more complex forms, Adam was intimately viewing successions of development.  Calling the destinies and identities of lesser creatures, as they were all brought before Him, delineated the void within where there was not found one in accordance with (or, like) the one most like, or (The Adam, meaning) "LIKE-est" of "The One Great All-togetherness upon High."  This teaching of natures prepared Adam for His affirmation, making up what He lacked, a helper adjusting to him.

If there is a male, there's a female, and it's not a female without a male.  Together they're a unit.  The two shall be One.  It's not good for one to be alone without the other.  Love is the investment that bridges the distance to an Other.

[eaglesway]

Were the animals male and female before Adam was?

[ded2daworld]

"From the very beginning the Lord God made them male and female"

Male and female water types like fish were created on the 4th day, male and female birds on the fifth
and male and female humans and all other male and female land animals on the sixth.
Everything that creepeth (and creepeth out) upon the face of the earth was created by the sixth day.

[eaglesway]

yea thats right :o)

[dajomaco]

Come to Me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

"Woe also to you experts in the law! You load people with burdens that are hard to carry, yet you yourselves don't touch these burdens with one of your fingers.

IMO The burden is to try and have a relationship with God ,while having the knowledge of Good and evil.

In this burden we have the tools to make our burden light.

Believe that you and God are in a wonderful Love relationship.

[VineBranch]

I think there is a lot of wisdom in that daj.  May I add:  "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Mat 11:29-30)... as a compliment to your post.

[dajomaco]

Interesting concept. Yet, not exactly scriptural so, imo not exactly theological- more like a personal philosophy, and a good philosophy if one is perfected in love.

IMO The freedom we deny for ourselves, will always be seen as sin in some one else. 

"Well let's just say I would never to that.

I'm not judging them but I would never do that.

[eaglesway]

It seems to me you are speaking of personally judging others. I am speaking of discernment.

John the Baptist was beheaded for discering the actions of Herod. Jesus discerned the actions of the buyers and sellers in the temple. Peter discerned the deceit of Annanias and Saphira.

Discernment is the evaluation of good and evil in the hands of love.

Judging is the evaluation of good and evil by ones own standard, or by the letter(law) of the word.

They should be distinguished by the wise and one should be embraced, the other rejected.

[rosered]

  This is  good advice Eaglesway ,  discernment 
wisdom   ,from above God  gives when we ask in Matt 7
great posts  guys        thought of by their fruits you shall know them
  fruits of the Spirit  :thumbsup: Love

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
  Jesus teaching/doctrine   in  discerment  in Matt 7

[eaglesway]

Hi rosered. Nice to see you back on the boards :o)

[dajomaco]

Discernment is the evaluation of good and evil in the hands of love.

IMO In the hands of LOVE, the discernment of good and evil are not required.
My hands are full of Grace so full of grace there is no capacity to hold on to good or evil.
I can not grasp good or evil any more. Grace is all can hang onto.

[sheila]

 a young couple had a little daughter..5 yrs old.  she was loved of all neighbors and friends;and

was a very loving trusting delightful child.

. One day..a pediphile offered her some candy...and the little child..not knowing good from evil

went off with him,taking his hand in her trustfullness.....................LOVE FROM FATHER REQUIRES

  THAT HE WILL EDUCATE YOU SO AS TO PROTECT YOU,NOT JUDGE YOU..

[sheila]

p.s. Daj

     God's spirit knows what lies in the darkness.   be cautious as serpents,yet innocent as doves.

    Love protects from harm..it is not ignorant of evil...it knows what it is..and gives it

  a wide berth.

    Wisdom from Above is love and truth in action. it delivers from evil[deliver us from the evil]

[dajomaco]

For from the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual immoralities, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies.

I can't give my heart a wide berth.
So I go in it and through it to Grace.

I assure you," He said, "unless you are converted and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Sheila I have a very controversial view of Grace.
I could share it in the members only section or you could PM.

Would there be more children or fewer children killed by
pedophiles if they received grace.

[jabcat]

she was loved of all neighbors and friends;and
...................LOVE FROM FATHER REQUIRES

  THAT HE WILL EDUCATE YOU SO AS TO PROTECT YOU,NOT JUDGE YOU..

I don't want to interrupt too much, I'll make a quick comment and get back out :)  but I do agree with that (along with some other things that have been said in the thread),  :thumbsup:     

I also would like to add, that I personally understand that when grace is applied (i.e., an individual is drawn to the Father, through the Son, faith given to believe unto salvation) that is all a work of the Holy Spirit, in God's perfect timing, and it will not fail to deliver fruit.  Some connected scrip thoughts;  "old things passing away, all things becoming new";  "new creature in Christ Jesus";  "such [consumed with sin] were some of you";  "Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith".   I.e, when the Holy Spirit intercedes, we're not on our own.  Jesus has taken up residence, abides with and in us, and "will complete what He has begun".   :2c:

Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit saith the Lord.  Amen, blessings.

[Colleen]

Dajomaco
I am really interested in radical concepts of grace. If you don't go into the members only room with it would you mind pm-ing me too? 

[eaglesway]

For from the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual immoralities, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies.

I can't give my heart a wide berth.
So I go in it and through it to Grace.

I assure you," He said, "unless you are converted and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Sheila I have a very controversial view of Grace.
I could share it in the members only section or you could PM.

Would there be more children or fewer children killed by
pedophiles if they received grace.

I agree with this. If there were more grace, there would be more light. If there were light, there would be love. Where love is, the hunger dies as the predator sees the love of Jesus.

This is the kind of discernment that grows in the beloved as they grow in grace. They can see the sin, pouring from the sinner and still love him/her.

Yet- in this age there is also salt, which in itself is also grace. "Everyone will be salted with fire and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt."

But this fire is seasoning us with light that consumes darkness, love that consumes hatred, grace that consumes law, forgiveness that consumes condemnation.

The reason the "church" has no answer for sinners, no life for the dead, no light for the lost- is because they are to busy judging sinners as if they werent and trying to fight sin through the flesh instead of yielding to "death with Christ" so that they
ca be "raised up in newness of life".

Where grace is really present, the dead will come to life and the blind will see and the brokenhearted will be healed. Where the light is shining the darkness flees.