Will

[redhotmagma]

Why don't you just come out and say what you're trying to say.  No offense, but I don't have time to read everything someone puts in front of me.  And for your cause you might try another tact other than, coming in accusing people of things without any sort of evidence. 

For instance your assertion I don't understand the kingdom of heaven is inside is actually hilarious.  And perfect to show how ignorant you are of the beliefs of those of us here. 

[sheila]

actually I was taken up and shown this.  it is a Glory of the sons of God..... they use this power to change

from one form to another..to speak telepathically.  The Holy spirit teaches me. I did watch a video.u posted..

but like everything else..it get's corrupted when carnal minds try to teach other carnal minds about it.

  Holy spirit is capable of teaching in the spirit without watching those videosand irregardless is someone

has 'calcifications" in their pineal gland if they can do 'nothing' of themselves then de-calcifying their

pineal glands will not help..

   you are not to merchandise truth.  yes, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed...

   what is born of flesh is flesh..what is born of spirit is spirit.........carnal fleshly interpretation of spiritual/celestial

things...corrupt it.

[ded2daworld]

I don't use the term third eye either. It's what new agers, hindu's , buddhists use.
I have never before have someone say Jesus talked about the "third eye." :2c:

[One Male]

:laughing7:

Giving you an opportunity brother.  It's fair warning, and it's something we ALL need to remember.  Thanks for giving it a shot.  Just try to remember we're all growing and learning, God is still shaping us, none of us have arrived at all complete understanding or knowledge - and that those things can be discussed and we can benefit from each other, if we don't alienate each other with our attitudes and behavior first.  "Let not your good be evil spoken of".  My tongue can ruin what otherwise God might have me share.   And above all, "in love, preferring one another".

Thanks.

Thanks.

I am a reactive person and usually give back what I get.
I noticed that you deleted my snide remark to another in responce to his snide remark. His is still up.

Reciprocity is fair play so please use the same yardstick for me as you did not use for him is all I ask.

Also, I am French and if you know anything about how we use the English language you will know that to the English, we French also sound more ---- in your face ----- than what we intend.
I am not as bad as some at that but it is something I cannot help because it is cultural.

Regards
DL

[redhotmagma]

"I cannot help because its cultural"
so you do believe in the sins of the father  :LH:

[One Male]

[

Whoops.  You answered me twice.  This time you seem to have misread what I said.

I was agreeing with you that there is a 'third eye' talked about in scripture, although I wouldn't call it that, myself.

PS I liked what Sheila said.

My bad. I have been running instead of walking and suffer from third man in syndrome and tend to screw up when first entering a new site. It is my competitive nature. Not to mention opinionated.
I hope Jabcat notices and is a patient fellow.

Regards
DL

[Molly]

I don't use the term third eye either. It's what new agers, hindu's , buddhists use.
I have never before have someone say Jesus talked about the "third eye." :2c:

I wouldn't call it that, either, but I knew what he was talking about.  Also, what Sheila is talking about.  We don't really have a name for it.  Maybe we should agree on a name, like the mark of God in their foreheads.

It's clear to me that it is God [the Holy Spirit] which turns it on.  We really cannot do anything to facilitate this except pay attention and use it for the glory of God.


You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

[John 15:16]




Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.

[Mat 13:11]




"mysteries"


G3466
μυστήριον
mustērion
moos-tay'-ree-on
From a derivative of μύω muō (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery.





"occult"

Of, involving, or relating to supernatural, mystical, or magical powers or phenomena.

Cut off from view, Secret, Hidden

[sheila]

Jesus showed that everyone received at least one talent of truth...these talents are sown in various

religions. some 'bury it' in the earth....these somewhat 'obscure] talents of truth shall be given to the one that

has...and the one that does not have..even what he thinks he has..will be taken away and given to the one that has.


  now any talent God may give..is to be used to increase the Lord's interests......and shared so that all may

  increase in light...not to LORD IT over others and despize them.

   Now you come here with this 'majic' wand teaching to beat on the head other's here?  and you think more highly

of yourself than you ought to.  It is the same principle of the sorcerer that wanted to buy the power to lay hands

on the people to impart Holy spirit. Acts 13;8

   it never fails to amaze me..how every perfect and good gift given from above that God gives

..that the Kingdom of darkness  wants to pervert and corrupt man's understanding of it.

[One Male]

"I cannot help because its cultural"
so you do believe in the sins of the father  :LH:

No. My father is not like me at all and I am as I am thanks to the environment I grew up in.
Child rearing at home is good for about the first 4 years but then society takes over and Ii was raised in tough neighborhoods and moved a lot hence the third man in syndrome.

I also hate talking about me or others and you will note that unless under personal attack I try to always speak to the issue at hand.

Regards
DL

[Molly]

[

Whoops.  You answered me twice.  This time you seem to have misread what I said.

I was agreeing with you that there is a 'third eye' talked about in scripture, although I wouldn't call it that, myself.

PS I liked what Sheila said.

My bad. I have been running instead of walking and suffer from third man in syndrome and tend to screw up when first entering a new site. It is my competitive nature. Not to mention opinionated.
I hope Jabcat notices and is a patient fellow.

Regards
DL

No problem.   Welcome!    :mfriends:


We might not all agree, but we all enjoy thinking on these things here.

[One Male]

I don't use the term third eye either. It's what new agers, hindu's , buddhists use.
I have never before have someone say Jesus talked about the "third eye." :2c:

I wouldn't call it that, either, but I knew what he was talking about.  Also, what Sheila is talking about.  We don't really have a name for it.  Maybe we should agree on a name, like the mark of God in their foreheads.

It's clear to me that it is God [the Holy Spirit] which turns it on.  We really cannot do anything to facilitate this except pay attention and use it for the glory of God.


You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

[John 15:16]




Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.

[Mat 13:11]




"mysteries"


G3466
μυστήριον
mustērion
moos-tay'-ree-on
From a derivative of μύω muō (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery.





"occult"

Of, involving, or relating to supernatural, mystical, or magical powers or phenomena.

Cut off from view, Secret, Hidden

Oh my.

Jesus said seek and ye shall find and knock and the door shall be opened unto you and you somehow think that sitting back and waiting for Jesus to knock is the way to go.

The servant makes efforts to impress the master my dear. The master does not need you. You need him.

Do you see teachers going about door to door or do you see the children going to the teacher?

Regards
DL

[One Male]

[

Whoops.  You answered me twice.  This time you seem to have misread what I said.

I was agreeing with you that there is a 'third eye' talked about in scripture, although I wouldn't call it that, myself.

PS I liked what Sheila said.

My bad. I have been running instead of walking and suffer from third man in syndrome and tend to screw up when first entering a new site. It is my competitive nature. Not to mention opinionated.
I hope Jabcat notices and is a patient fellow.

Regards
DL

No problem.   Welcome!    :mfriends:


We might not all agree, but we all enjoy thinking on these things here.

Thanks.

Regards
DL

[One Male]

Jesus showed that everyone received at least one talent of truth...these talents are sown in various

religions. some 'bury it' in the earth....these somewhat 'obscure] talents of truth shall be given to the one that

has...and the one that does not have..even what he thinks he has..will be taken away and given to the one that has.


  now any talent God may give..is to be used to increase the Lord's interests......and shared so that all may

  increase in light...not to LORD IT over others and despize them.

   Now you come here with this 'majic' wand teaching to beat on the head other's here?  and you think more highly

of yourself than you ought to.  It is the same principle of the sorcerer that wanted to buy the power to lay hands

on the people to impart Holy spirit. Acts 13;8

   it never fails to amaze me..how every perfect and good gift given from above that God gives

..that the Kingdom of darkness  wants to pervert and corrupt man's understanding of it.

Correction is good though.
You said from above when Jesus distinctly said that heaven is not above.
But do not think of that. Stick to your indoctrinated dogma and tradition and ignore Jesus once more.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Regards
DL

[Molly]

I don't use the term third eye either. It's what new agers, hindu's , buddhists use.
I have never before have someone say Jesus talked about the "third eye." :2c:

I wouldn't call it that, either, but I knew what he was talking about.  Also, what Sheila is talking about.  We don't really have a name for it.  Maybe we should agree on a name, like the mark of God in their foreheads.

It's clear to me that it is God [the Holy Spirit] which turns it on.  We really cannot do anything to facilitate this except pay attention and use it for the glory of God.


You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

[John 15:16]




Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.

[Mat 13:11]




"mysteries"


G3466
μυστήριον
mustērion
moos-tay'-ree-on
From a derivative of μύω muō (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery.





"occult"

Of, involving, or relating to supernatural, mystical, or magical powers or phenomena.

Cut off from view, Secret, Hidden

Oh my.

Jesus said seek and ye shall find and knock and the door shall be opened unto you and you somehow think that sitting back and waiting for Jesus to knock is the way to go.

The servant makes efforts to impress the master my dear. The master does not need you. You need him.

Do you see teachers going about door to door or do you see the children going to the teacher?

Regards
DL

Yes, you are right.  Seek and you will find.  That is certainly true.

I only said it that way for the benefit those of us who seek, knock, and ask for years before it is given.  Because it really is up to God, and in his timing.  Sons are appointed.   And the timing is His.

For which cause we endure patiently and wait on the LORD.


And, also, for the benefit of those who will not find in this Age.



Psalm 27:14
King James Version (KJV)

14 Wait on the Lord: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the Lord.




"wait"

H6960
קוה
qâvâh
kaw-vaw'
A primitive root; to bind together (perhaps by twisting), that is, collect; (figuratively) to expect: - gather (together), look, patiently, tarry, wait (for, on, upon).

[redhotmagma]

"I cannot help because its cultural"
so you do believe in the sins of the father  :LH:

No. My father is not like me at all and I am as I am thanks to the environment I grew up in.
Child rearing at home is good for about the first 4 years but then society takes over and Ii was raised in tough neighborhoods and moved a lot hence the third man in syndrome.

I also hate talking about me or others and you will note that unless under personal attack I try to always speak to the issue at hand.

Regards
DL

It was a joke, in one post you mentioned the passage from EZE about the sins of the father.  You then blamed your abruptness on being french aka your fathers.

[sheila]

 Jesus also said' I place before you an open door...to the church of brotherly LOVE/Philadelphia" and they shall

enter.

  as you can tell,I didn't care for your initial attitude....but am willing to discuss this. I have also addressed my

concerns regarding the 'material' based teachings in reference to pineal gland and de-calsification etc..

   As far as I can tell....the celestial beings/heavenly hosts are further trained in heaven of Father as how to

  use and control these glories. By merely taking thought they can be transported to another place/realm/

they can communicate with us and each other telepathically.

  I do know a certain amout of practice is required to be graceful up there, for I wasn't that graceful when

I was up there..I kind of moved about a little 'choppy' like..instead of a graceful demeanor..not unlike

a human child learning to walk down here is often less than graceful..

any manifestation here is of a 'token' of the fullness when we are 'changed'   

[sheila]

...and yes...this wisdom is from ABOVE...........if ye not understand earthly things..then how shall ye understand heavenly

things...being born from above,of the will of God and not man..is being born of the spirit.

[One Male]

I don't use the term third eye either. It's what new agers, hindu's , buddhists use.
I have never before have someone say Jesus talked about the "third eye." :2c:

I wouldn't call it that, either, but I knew what he was talking about.  Also, what Sheila is talking about.  We don't really have a name for it.  Maybe we should agree on a name, like the mark of God in their foreheads.

It's clear to me that it is God [the Holy Spirit] which turns it on.  We really cannot do anything to facilitate this except pay attention and use it for the glory of God.


You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

[John 15:16]




Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.

[Mat 13:11]




"mysteries"


G3466
μυστήριον
mustērion
moos-tay'-ree-on
From a derivative of μύω muō (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery.





"occult"

Of, involving, or relating to supernatural, mystical, or magical powers or phenomena.

Cut off from view, Secret, Hidden

Oh my.

Jesus said seek and ye shall find and knock and the door shall be opened unto you and you somehow think that sitting back and waiting for Jesus to knock is the way to go.

The servant makes efforts to impress the master my dear. The master does not need you. You need him.

Do you see teachers going about door to door or do you see the children going to the teacher?

Regards
DL

Yes, you are right.  Seek and you will find.  That is certainly true.

I only said it that way for the benefit those of us who seek, knock, and ask for years before it is given.  Because it really is up to God, and in his timing.  Sons are appointed.   And the timing is His.

For which cause we endure patiently and wait on the LORD.


And, also, for the benefit of those who will not find in this Age.



Psalm 27:14
King James Version (KJV)

14 Wait on the Lord: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the Lord.




"wait"

H6960
קוה
qâvâh
kaw-vaw'
A primitive root; to bind together (perhaps by twisting), that is, collect; (figuratively) to expect: - gather (together), look, patiently, tarry, wait (for, on, upon).

Good grief.

As above so below.

Do you ignore people who come knocking at your door?

What makes you think God does?

Perhaps if you knock the way Jesus urges you to, at the right door, then you might have better luck but be ready for the pain involved in seeing her face.

In your case, -----

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gni33QiG0I

Unless you foolishly believe that you came from a man's rib instead of of Adam coming from Eve.


Now learn where to knock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

Regards
DL

[One Male]

"I cannot help because its cultural"
so you do believe in the sins of the father  :LH:

No. My father is not like me at all and I am as I am thanks to the environment I grew up in.
Child rearing at home is good for about the first 4 years but then society takes over and Ii was raised in tough neighborhoods and moved a lot hence the third man in syndrome.

I also hate talking about me or others and you will note that unless under personal attack I try to always speak to the issue at hand.

Regards
DL

It was a joke, in one post you mentioned the passage from EZE about the sins of the father.  You then blamed your abruptness on being french aka your fathers.

I did indeed and you will note that the sins of the father are not passed down in that quote. As it should be and that is why Jesus would not do an immoral substitutionary atonement nor would God demand it.
Original sin is a Christian invention. The Jews saw Eden as man's elevation and not his fall.
Christianity did that for the $$$$$.

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

"Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue [see * below], the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants."

No noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

Regards
DL

[misszoolander]

Why is there such a foul air in this thread?  :bumbrage: :JCThink:

Please, can we discuss things with a little more grace?  :friendstu:

[Molly]

well, I don't believe that God is just sitting inside all of us waiting to be found.

I believe there is only one way to God the Father, and that is through Jesus.



Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[Jn 14:6]


But, personally, I was knocking on the wrong door [a Budhist door] when Jesus answered.

And, he was very clear about who he was.

[One Male]

Jesus also said' I place before you an open door...to the church of brotherly LOVE/Philadelphia" and they shall

enter.

  as you can tell,I didn't care for your initial attitude....but am willing to discuss this. I have also addressed my

concerns regarding the 'material' based teachings in reference to pineal gland and de-calsification etc..

   As far as I can tell....the celestial beings/heavenly hosts are further trained in heaven of Father as how to

  use and control these glories. By merely taking thought they can be transported to another place/realm/

they can communicate with us and each other telepathically.

  I do know a certain amout of practice is required to be graceful up there, for I wasn't that graceful when

I was up there..I kind of moved about a little 'choppy' like..instead of a graceful demeanor..not unlike

a human child learning to walk down here is often less than graceful..

any manifestation here is of a 'token' of the fullness when we are 'changed'   

Jesus also said that the kingdom of God is within you but you prefer to ignore where he actually tells you to look. Within. That is where the laws and information from God are written On your heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN_uLYJBi4c&feature=related

Check this at about the 2 min. mark.

Your own Bible is also full of references to your third eye.

You are correct that it is all telepathic and your receiver is in your head and that is where heaven and hell are.
Have you heard the tern Omni-present?

If so, why look up or down as Jesus said when all you have to do is close your eyes and open the third.

Regards
DL

[One Male]

well, I don't believe that God is just sitting inside all of us waiting to be found.

I believe there is only one way to God the Father, and that is through Jesus.



Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[Jn 14:6]


But, personally, I was knocking on the wrong door [a Budhist door] when Jesus answered.

And, he was very clear about who he was.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

To believe that Jesus is God or even his son in the direct way you see him, you would have to believe that God coveted another man's wife for reproductive purposes and that is an inappropriate reproductive methods and God breaking his own commandment.

You end up having to believe in a half breed chimera God instead of a full blooded one, so to speak, and must view God as a deadbeat dad who cockolded Joseph.

Enjoy the God others have created in your mind.

Keep looking in your bible for God all you like and ignore looking where Jesus tells you to look. Your choice.

You might also remember that Jesus was about the 6th ancient God born of a virgin. It was the trend back then to have most of the man made Gods born that way. Either God was busy or you are believing lies.

Regards
DL

[jabcat]

Jesus showed that everyone received at least one talent of truth...these talents are sown in various

religions. some 'bury it' in the earth....these somewhat 'obscure] talents of truth shall be given to the one that

has...and the one that does not have..even what he thinks he has..will be taken away and given to the one that has.


  now any talent God may give..is to be used to increase the Lord's interests......and shared so that all may

  increase in light...not to LORD IT over others and despize them.

   Now you come here with this 'majic' wand teaching to beat on the head other's here?  and you think more highly

of yourself than you ought to.  It is the same principle of the sorcerer that wanted to buy the power to lay hands

on the people to impart Holy spirit. Acts 13;8

   it never fails to amaze me..how every perfect and good gift given from above that God gives

..that the Kingdom of darkness  wants to pervert and corrupt man's understanding of it.

In your case I have no need to corrupt your thinking.

Correction is good though.
You said from above when Jesus distinctly said that heaven is not above.
But do not think of that. Stick to your indoctrinated dogma and tradition and ignore Jesus once more.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Regards
DL

Remove this please.  It's a personal insult.  Thanks.

[One Male]

Jesus showed that everyone received at least one talent of truth...these talents are sown in various

religions. some 'bury it' in the earth....these somewhat 'obscure] talents of truth shall be given to the one that

has...and the one that does not have..even what he thinks he has..will be taken away and given to the one that has.


  now any talent God may give..is to be used to increase the Lord's interests......and shared so that all may

  increase in light...not to LORD IT over others and despize them.

   Now you come here with this 'majic' wand teaching to beat on the head other's here?  and you think more highly

of yourself than you ought to.  It is the same principle of the sorcerer that wanted to buy the power to lay hands

on the people to impart Holy spirit. Acts 13;8

   it never fails to amaze me..how every perfect and good gift given from above that God gives

..that the Kingdom of darkness  wants to pervert and corrupt man's understanding of it.

In your case I have no need to corrupt your thinking.

Correction is good though.
You said from above when Jesus distinctly said that heaven is not above.
But do not think of that. Stick to your indoctrinated dogma and tradition and ignore Jesus once more.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Regards
DL

Remove this please.  It's a personal insult.  Thanks.

Done.

Apologies to the poster.
I saw it as a doctor pointing out a condition and did not mean to insult.

Regards
DL