Identifying evil

[sheila]

you  got that right!! Micah...motives laid bare of the heart.....no hidden thing will not be revealed

[ded2daworld]

Just as when God gave all men separate lanuages at the tower of Babel
The language he gave Adam was perfectly understandable to him and though he did not know what death was experientially, he did know what it meant intellectually, otherwise Eve wouldn't have offered her feeble reply of, "But God says if we eat it (and here she adds to the word of God) or even touch it we will die." The being didn't argue with her saying "How do you know dying's is a bad thing if you've never seen it?" Then IMO when she touched the fruit and didn't die - based on her addition to scripture - it made it seem like the being was telling the truth.

[micah7:9]

Just as when God gave all men separate lanuages at the tower of Babel
The language he gave Adam was perfectly understandable to him and though he did not know what death was experientially, he did know what it meant intellectually, otherwise Eve wouldn't have offered her feeble reply of, "But God says if we eat it (and here she adds to the word of God) or even touch it we will die." The being didn't argue with her saying "How do you know dying's is a bad thing if you've never seen it?" Then IMO when she touched the fruit and didn't die - based on her addition to scripture - it made it seem like the being was telling the truth.

Yes I believe that man/woman had knowledge, but with nothing to compare what that knowledge held, like the difference between good a evil, what good or bad would empty knowledge offer? I don't know if that came out with any sense.  :sigh:

[sheila]

For the word of God is living....and active.Sharper than any double edged sword[flaming sword that

guards the way to tol?] It penetrates..even to dividing soul and spirit........joints and marrow

  it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.  Nothing in all creation is hidden in God's sight

   Everything is uncovered and laid bare[truth] before the eyes of Him..to whom we must give an account

[Molly]

The LORD God sent the man out and sealed up the garden.


24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


The man now not only has no access to the tree of life, he also has no access to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

So now the man must die, but we see the LORD has left the garden with him, and is talking to him about good and evil.  Abel listens.  Cain doesn't.


Deuteronomy 8:3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.

[ded2daworld]

Micah, Maybe it's a little like when I was a little kid and had never actually seen death (I was 13 my first time actually seeing it before my eyes as a drunk driver ran over a friend of mine maybe 10 yards away as we walked home from school) I certainly knew what death was before then, but the experience certainly changed me. Why would Adam have hidden from God immediately after the apple incident if he didn't fear what may happen?
The legend is that Siddhartha was kept in his castle and was never told about death or that anything bad ever happened to anybody. (He was a prince) and the king had forbid anyone even talking about anything bad in front of the prince. When he escaped, he saw plenty of bad - it was real life. He knew what he was seeing but never experienced it before.
Maybe it is how Adam knew how to name all the animals. As soon as he saw the animal, he "knew" what it should be named. IMO, he didn't look at a deer and think "HMMM what should I call this thing". IMO it was "Cool! Here comes a deer"
Anyway, I like this group makes me think of "Things that make me go Hmm." :Chinscratch:

[dajomaco]

" Maybe, that's why we are reconnected by the implantation of the word of truth, born again by an incorruptible seed and the receiving of the Holy Spirit(breath of God)- Jesus saying , " the wind blows where it wills and you hear the sound of it but you don't know from whence it comes nor where it is going"- Life in the Spirit as a relationship with the wind being likened unto living in the I AM, connected to the BEING of God, walking in His Spirit." EW

I believe you nailed it! :dsunny:

Dunamis is divine ischus applied in order to achieve certain earthly results.

Wow so many amazing posts :cloud9:

[eaglesway]

If you see the garden of Eden as the spirit, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as the mind connected directly to "the world", and the tree of life as the heart connected directly to God........

When we eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil the highest statement in our being is "I Know" or, "I Know What I Know"

In such a state a flaming sword keeps us out of the garden, we walk in the flesh. The "lake of fire" is like the flaming sword, it is for all those who have not eaten of the tree of life, which is Jesus. They must pass through it to enter the garden of the spirit.

John saw the flames in the eyes of Jesus- flames of light consuming darkness, flames of life consuming death.

IMO, This is the process to entering and abiding in, the light- walking among the stones of fire.

"Every hidden thing will be brought to light"- The lake of fire is immersion in the light. Jesus is the light

"You would have me to know truth in my inner man"  The light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot overcome it. The veil is pierced. We see ourselves in James' mirror and we do not walk away and forget what we saw.

"A broken and a contrite heart you will not cast away" Once pride is pierced, The flaming sword is removed and entrance to the garden restored  see Isaiah 27 1-3!

"The sacrifices of God are a broken and a contrite heart"  Receiviing Jesus is not an intellectual exercize, it is "having in you the same attitude which was in Christ Jesus", which is the mark of the prize of the upward call of God. Repentance is a change of attitude.

"I dwell in the high and holy place and with the one who has a broken and a contrite heart"  In order to stay in "the garden"(walk in the spirit) we must remain "transparent", confessing when transgressing and receiving light- allowing the flaming eyes to reach EVER DEEPER INTO OUR BEING (the holy of holies) and draw us into the I AM

"If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"  We have boldness by this new and living way to enter the holy of holies(intimate fellowship with God and one another by the transparency granted by grace, forgiveness, humility, the blood)

"The one who confesses and forsakes their sin will obtain mercy; the one who hides their transgression will not prosper"  As long as we do this, "confess your faults one to another and pray for one another that you may be healed" , not posturing as "righteous ones" before one another, but seeking the true righteousness of humilty, we dwell "in the light" as "children of the day" and we have no fear of "aionian pur" or "aionian kolassis"- we have passed from death into life.

"Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father".  As each one, in their own order, is "consumed in light", their heart "pierced within them", their secret attitudes "exposed"- they will drop to their knees in humble adoration and give glory to the one who paid so high a price to redeem them- they will each be "changed' and for each of them the fire that burned will become the light that shines from the face and the flames that burn from within their own eyes because they have been filled up to the fulness of God, He is now ALL IN ALL IN THEM.

When at last the last knee drops, death will have been consumed in the fire, darkness will be no more, all will be light for as Paul said to the Ephesians, "Every thing that is brought to the light becomes light."

For it is God who has said "Light shall shine out of darkness" to give us the light of the knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ"!

Now the highest statement in my being is I AM WHAT I AM- and that is whatever God has made me to be, and I am content in it as He fills me with Himself.

For some this process will be complete within their mortal lifespan. They are called overcomers. They are not perfect as "without sin". They are honest with God and men, transparent because of the light of the grace of God that is in them by relationship with Jesus and the Father- and pressing onward thrugh trial, failure, difficulty and tribulation into the light.


MAKE NO DEAL WITH THE DARKNESS IN YOU< THAT IS THE DEAL THAT WILL BRING YOU INTO "KOLASSIS"

But fear not little ones, all discipline is in the moment unpleasant, but when it is finished it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness

[micah7:9]

Micah, Maybe it's a little like when I was a little kid and had never actually seen death (I was 13 my first time actually seeing it before my eyes as a drunk driver ran over a friend of mine maybe 10 yards away as we walked home from school) I certainly knew what death was before then, but the experience certainly changed me. Why would Adam have hidden from God immediately after the apple incident if he didn't fear what may happen?
The legend is that Siddhartha was kept in his castle and was never told about death or that anything bad ever happened to anybody. (He was a prince) and the king had forbid anyone even talking about anything bad in front of the prince. When he escaped, he saw plenty of bad - it was real life. He knew what he was seeing but never experienced it before.
Maybe it is how Adam knew how to name all the animals. As soon as he saw the animal, he "knew" what it should be named. IMO, he didn't look at a deer and think "HMMM what should I call this thing". IMO it was "Cool! Here comes a deer"
Anyway, I like this group makes me think of "Things that make me go Hmm." :Chinscratch:

My only question would be, why did it have to be a "drunk" driver, any driver can do that. imo. And also, where did the idea that it was an "apple" come from, maybe it was a mango or a pear? The fruit of the tree imo, has nothing to do with any agriculture value. I don't know and have given no thought as to how or why Adam named all the beasts and creatures, should I have, I would center on the serpent, knowing it was not a snake. :dsunny:

[micah7:9]

Eaglesway, your post #82 puts me in the thought I have considered, of how perhaps the Bible is more a book of parables rather than literal. I do not exclude the historic and literal view and value, but what does a literal and historic view give us but a human religious history to talk about? No, I believe, imo, that you friend, have seen. :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[ded2daworld]

No micah, the apple incident I was talking about was Adams computer :laughing7:
I know it probably was n't an apple
It sounded weird to say the fruit incident. :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

No micah, the apple incident I was talking about was Adams computer :laughing7:
I know it probably was n't an apple
It sounded weird to say the fruit incident. :thumbsup:

Hey my friend, I meant no offence and I totally understand the mistake, Apple for MacIntosh, there is a Golden Delicious, and Pink Lady and a pear...and pears got names too! :laugh: I love you you man(taken from Cheech and Chong) hope you don't mind. :dsunny:

[Molly]

Somebody said to me, I know it's true because I saw it on tv with my own eyes.




Ques:  Do you believe the television or do you believe your lying eyes?


Ans:  Neither.  Believe the Holy Spirit.




Virtual backlot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clnozSXyF4k


Robbie Parker press conference, Sandy Hook parent, day after


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxl6qFqtX8Y



This post may self destruct.

[ded2daworld]

3 times I have been where "news" was happening. The next day, when I saw or read the reporters accounts, I thought we had witnessed 2 seperate events. TV and newspapers ALWAYS tell people what they want to hear and always try to make stories appear much more interesting and/or dramatic than they are. How many times have we seen a reporter shove a microphone into the face of a greiving parent and say, "You're child has just been shot/murdered/abducted/abused (whatever)... How do you feel right now? or How do feel about that?

I was also a stand-in for Brian Dennehy in the movie Coccoon: The return. I was amazed at how different the actual movie was from what was happening while we were on set and filming. For instance, Brian was never even there for the filming. It was my body and his head when it was a face shot. We filmed in Florida and his head shots were done against a green screen in California (as was his voice for his lines) so I learned if it is at the movies, on TV or in the news, things didn't really happen the way it's shown to you. E.G. the boat was made to look like it was out on the open ocean. It never left the dock. It was turned so that each actors lines had the open sea in back of them. Side note. They accidentally dropped the main camera in the water near the end of shooting. They had to reshoot that day and they used the only identical camera they had for a spare.

[Molly]

You're a movie star?  :mshock:

I'm talking to a movie star?   :faint:

[ded2daworld]

Hardly. A stand-in is pretty low on the totem pole.
Jessica Tandy, Hume Cronin, Wilford Brimley, Steve Gutenberg,
Don Ameche - they were stars but they were just ordinary people.
They acted and talked just like everyone else that works for a living.
Maybe cuz they were all older. Steve Gutenberg was a little stand-offish.
and Courtney Cox wasn't a big star yet. She and Tahnee Welch were funny and friendly.
Only Gutenberg refused to eat with the rest of us. Unusual, but stars and standins all ate together at
the catered meals and Steve preferred to eat alone in his trailer.

[eaglesway]

I was at Zucotti Park the day after they cleared Occupy Wall Street. Tere were maybe a hundred people walking around the park talking, including an elderly lady from the neighborhood(happy ot have her park back :o) and some local moms with their children, as well as about 50 protesters standing in small groups just talking.

The park was still cordoned off with barriers, only one 4 foot wide opening through which people were entering and exiting. Nothing signfigant was going on, and I was there taking photographs.  All of the sudden about six police in riot gear came running into the park and stood in front of the exit(no one could exit).

As people began to chant, "This is a peaceful protest!" and turned their attention to those half dozen police about 50 more police in riot gear came over the other side and began to push people- including the locals who were there with little children etc.  One young man was pushed over a park bench and hit his head on the sidewalk. I saw the little old lady scrambling to avoid the melee. Not one person raised a finger to the police.

The next day on the cover of the NY POST there was this picture of the kid with the bleeding head and a police man pushing him. It read,

POLICE PUT DOWN RIOT BY OCCUPY WALL STREET AT ZUCOTTI PARK.

[sheila]

yep..truth is the enemy of the prince of this world.....deception is his cloak

[Deena]

EW, your post#82 was powerful, particularly the end. I wish I could come to that place of being content with what God has made (i.e. myself). My propensity to sin feels like a reproachful ball and chain that too often gets the best of me. I long to be free. EW, I will remind myself of what you said--"I press onward through trial, failure, difficulty and tribulation into the light".

[lomarah]

Oh my gosh eaglesway... that's horrifying. So sad. So, so sad.

[Lazarus Short]

All these posts about movies and TV remind me of the probable backgrounds behind the terms "TV programming" and "TV program."  Before computers, programming was a term much used in the psychology industry, which has had a huge influence on advertising, education, news coverage (aka, spin), and lots of other things.  Most of what you see, hear, and read is biased toward a certain goal, and it is not a goal that is necessarily good for you.  To this day, gatekeepers try to prevent those who are going into the Kingdom from going in.  They are and will be overruled.   

[ded2daworld]

Films, movies, newspapers are propaganda. They want you to change your worldview to the worldview presented to you.
Love not the world or the things in it.

[Molly]

Not that I expect to get any sympathy for this on here but...

I've been trying to change their timeline for years.

You can't wake people up--they refuse to wake up.

You can't do it by changing events.  They just regroup and absorb the change and nullify it.

It can be --and it has been--delayed.  But how to change it?

I know there must be a way.


That is the meaning of the rock cut from the mountain, though not by human hands, that crushed to pieces the statue of iron, bronze, clay, silver, and gold. The great God was showing the king what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and its meaning is certain."  --Dan 2:45

[eaglesway]

EW, your post#82 was powerful, particularly the end. I wish I could come to that place of being content with what God has made (i.e. myself). My propensity to sin feels like a reproachful ball and chain that too often gets the best of me. I long to be free. EW, I will remind myself of what you said--"I press onward through trial, failure, difficulty and tribulation into the light".

God bless you Deena. There is so much beauty in every soul. Finding the pathway to rest within our purpose seems to be so convoluted sometimes that really, it ought to make us all log for home, when we will ALL be FREE. But like Don Quixote, I keep believing that we can, in some measure, experience that beauty and freedom in this life- even as we struggle with sin, strife and disappointment. Grace & Peace :o)

[Lazarus Short]

Not that I expect to get any sympathy for this on here but...

I've been trying to change their timeline for years.

You can't wake people up--they refuse to wake up.

You can't do it by changing events.  They just regroup and absorb the change and nullify it.

It can be --and it has been--delayed.  But how to change it?

I know there must be a way.


That is the meaning of the rock cut from the mountain, though not by human hands, that crushed to pieces the statue of iron, bronze, clay, silver, and gold. The great God was showing the king what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and its meaning is certain."  --Dan 2:45

I came to realize at some point that you cannot set up the Kingdom by means of the arm of flesh - only the stone cut out WITHOUT hands can do that.  Men and empires have been trying to set up the Kingdom ever since the time of Nimrod, most currently the USA.  All will fail, except He for whom the throne of David is reserved.