We will be changed

[micah7:9]

On some much of the word that is being expressed of The Kingdom message I am in line with. Yet on some, I have not found a witness in the Word of God. This subject I am about to raise is one that I have not received witness to in the Word.  Much is said about it using words that I do not find in the Bible, I see why and how the expressions are used, in me (my mind) but I do not find evidence that it is so. I post this in hopes that I may receive confirmation or? I realize that I've asked this before I hope you will bear with me.

Much is said in the world of Christianity about it. I have come to believe that just about everything that is produced by orthodox Christianity and religion is fabricated for itchy ears, control, and enlargement of a congregation [and money].  From many posts on this site that has been affirmed.

The phrases "spiritual body/bodies" and "glorified body/bodies," I cannot find in the Bible. Yet much is said about the subject and that we will receive at a future time.  With the exception for ICor. 15:44 and he speaks of a body or "one body."

1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Mystery: a secret (through the idea of silence imposed by invitation) so this mystery is something that has invitation to its value.
"but we shall all be changed," Changed: to make different from a primary word; "else."
That is "different."

1Co 15:52  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
In that moment....we shall be made different...something else.
Paul in no way does not speak of a "spiritual body" that we will be changed to, nor does he speak of a "glorified body." He speaks of being "changed" to something different.

What we are changed to I believe as it is said by Paul.
1Co 12:20  But now they are many members, but one body.
Eph 4:3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the spirit with the tie of peace:
Eph 4:4 one body and one spirit, according as you were called also with one expectation of your calling;"
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, Who is over all and through all and in all."

I believe that we, those who are growing in Christ, perhaps, feel there is going to be some kind of individuality when we are changed from this many member body when we are changed to ONE BODY.
Thank you. Peace and Love Through Jesus

[redhotmagma]

phi 3:21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours 1  into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself.

[micah7:9]

Is that just ONE body?
Philippians 3:21

(ASV)  who shall fashion anew the body of our humiliation, that it may be conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working whereby he is able even to subject all things unto himself.

(CLV) Who will transfigure the body of our humilation, to conform it to the body of His glory, in accord with the operation which enables Him even to subject all to Himself."

(KJV)  Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

(WNT)  who, in the exercise of the power which He has even to subject all things to Himself, will transform this body of our humiliation until it resembles His own glorious body.

(YLT)  who shall transform the body of our humiliation to its becoming conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working of his power, even to subject to himself the all things.

[redhotmagma]

I think I misunderstood your question.  And I'm still not quite getting it.  Are you asking about individual bodies compared to the (collective) body of christ?  Are you saying that there is no individual glorious bodies?

If those are the questions then :dontknow:

[sheila]

 Hi Micah,

   I am nt sure I understand what you are wondering about,but here goes.   Yes,we will be changed when we put on immortality[glorious bodies] we will

  be like the angels. Individual inheritances or lots in the land of Israel[promise land] forshadow the same principle about our eternal inheritance in heaven[real promised land]

    We are ALL IN ALL IN GOD AND ARE ONE WITH HIM AND HIS SON-...as part of this greater body,we will all have our prepared places in God and Jesus

   and will fufill the roles He has specifically prepared for us[or prepared us for] ONE FAMILY UNIT..with individual members,with individual roles and functions

   ALL contributing to the greater good of the family unit.


     In one way, we are all already changing...from glory to glory as we look upon Him. Enoch,when taken to the presence of God was changed intoa . Glorious garment

   and Father explained that with a twinkle/GLEAM in HIS EYE WE RECEIVE A NEW DELIGHTFUL NATURE .

   

[micah7:9]

First,  Heb 11:13  These all died in faith,
"Enoch,when taken to the presence of God " I find no place in the Bible that reads such a statement. According to the Bible in Heb. chp. 11 they all died.

Again, "  We are ALL IN ALL IN GOD AND ARE ONE WITH HIM AND HIS SON-...as part of this greater body" what "greater" body is this? Greater than the body of Christ?

Also, "ONE FAMILY UNIT..with individual members,with individual roles and functions" This is found where, about this individuality?

Yes I agree totally we are being changed from glory to glory!
"and Father explained that with a twinkle/GLEAM in HIS EYE WE RECEIVE A NEW DELIGHTFUL NATURE ." Here what Paul says
1 Corinthians 15:52

(ASV)  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

(CLV) in an instant, in the twinkle of an eye, at the last trump. For He will be trumpeting, and the dead will be roused incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

(KJV)  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

(WNT)  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the sounding of the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incapable of decay, and *we* shall be changed.

(YLT)  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, in the last trumpet, for it shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we--we shall be changed:

[eaglesway]

(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
(Joh 7:39)

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
(Joh 20:17)

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
(Act 2:32-33)

But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
(1Co 15:35-44)

I think that we are living stones, joined to the chief corner stone, growing into a habitation of God in the Spirit-individual stones fitly joined together becoming also at the same time one temple

Branches in one vine

Members of one body

Beloved, it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know this, when He appears we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is.

In other words, we know some things, but not as much as we think we kno, and some things we see through a glass darkly, and so it will remain because the Lord made it so, lest we boast against one another in our "knowledge". Peace y'all, John

[micah7:9]

I like that :bigGrin:  For we have not come this way before, we are learning, maturing in Him. That's why I wonder why we teach as tho there is an individual quality that we have when we are changed.
"Branches in one vine

Members of one body

Beloved, it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know this, when He appears we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is.

In other words, we know some things, but not as much as we think we kno, and some things we see through a glass darkly," EW

[micah7:9]

I think I misunderstood your question.  And I'm still not quite getting it.  Are you asking about individual bodies compared to the (collective) body of christ?  Are you saying that there is no individual glorious bodies?

If those are the questions then :dontknow:

Yes. at this point I do believe there is no individual glorious bodies.

[micah7:9]

Hi Micah,

   I am nt sure I understand what you are wondering about,but here goes.   Yes,we will be changed when we put on immortality[glorious bodies] we will

  be like the angels. Individual inheritances or lots in the land of Israel[promise land] forshadow the same principle about our eternal inheritance in heaven[real promised land]

    We are ALL IN ALL IN GOD AND ARE ONE WITH HIM AND HIS SON-...as part of this greater body,we will all have our prepared places in God and Jesus

   and will fufill the roles He has specifically prepared for us[or prepared us for] ONE FAMILY UNIT..with individual members,with individual roles and functions

   ALL contributing to the greater good of the family unit.


     In one way, we are all already changing...from glory to glory as we look upon Him. Enoch,when taken to the presence of God was changed intoa . Glorious garment

   and Father explained that with a twinkle/GLEAM in HIS EYE WE RECEIVE A NEW DELIGHTFUL NATURE .

"Enoch,when taken to the presence of God..." shelia

Joh 3:13  and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down--the Son of Man who is in the heaven.

[Molly]

Hi Micah,

   I am nt sure I understand what you are wondering about,but here goes.   Yes,we will be changed when we put on immortality[glorious bodies] we will

  be like the angels. Individual inheritances or lots in the land of Israel[promise land] forshadow the same principle about our eternal inheritance in heaven[real promised land]

    We are ALL IN ALL IN GOD AND ARE ONE WITH HIM AND HIS SON-...as part of this greater body,we will all have our prepared places in God and Jesus

   and will fufill the roles He has specifically prepared for us[or prepared us for] ONE FAMILY UNIT..with individual members,with individual roles and functions

   ALL contributing to the greater good of the family unit.


     In one way, we are all already changing...from glory to glory as we look upon Him. Enoch,when taken to the presence of God was changed intoa . Glorious garment

   and Father explained that with a twinkle/GLEAM in HIS EYE WE RECEIVE A NEW DELIGHTFUL NATURE .

Amen! :icon_flower:

[Molly]

That's why I wonder why we teach as tho there is an individual quality that we have when we are changed.
"Branches in one vine

We are members of one body now--the human race, the body of Adam.  You and I have the same body, Micah, that's why doctors can go to medical school and learn how to treat both of us for heart disease or cancer or the flu.   But, we are still individuals, with our own peculiarities, because God made us that way.  Different but the same.

So it will be in our glorified bodies.

[Beloved Servant]

Agreed.
We will still be who we are but Christ sits on the throne of our mind, will, emotions and senses.
God reigns!

[Molly]

This is an interesting video.  Wonder what y'all think of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3DvFkY8bnA&feature=player_embedded

[micah7:9]

That's why I wonder why we teach as tho there is an individual quality that we have when we are changed.
"Branches in one vine

We are members of one body now--the human race, the body of Adam.  You and I have the same body, Micah, that's why doctors can go to medical school and learn how to treat both of us for heart disease or cancer or the flu.   But, we are still individuals, with our own peculiarities, because God made us that way.  Different but the same.

So it will be in our glorified bodies.

And I can find scripture and verse for "So it will be in our glorified bodies." Where?

[micah7:9]

Agreed.
We will still be who we are but Christ sits on the throne of our mind, will, emotions and senses.
God reigns!

Then we are robots? All walking around doing the the things as everybody else.
I believe our individuality is for this earth realm. If we are all one Christ as One body why the need for seperation ?

[Molly]

That's why I wonder why we teach as tho there is an individual quality that we have when we are changed.
"Branches in one vine

We are members of one body now--the human race, the body of Adam.  You and I have the same body, Micah, that's why doctors can go to medical school and learn how to treat both of us for heart disease or cancer or the flu.   But, we are still individuals, with our own peculiarities, because God made us that way.  Different but the same.

So it will be in our glorified bodies.

And I can find scripture and verse for "So it will be in our glorified bodies." Where?

All over the Bible.  I'm not sure what you are thinking is going to happen.  You think you are going to be a fingernail on one gigantic body, or we are all going to look like Christ and be exactly the same, or what?

8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

--Rev 22

[Beloved Servant]

Robots? Not at all.

Just perfection.

Living permanently.

Operating out of the realm of the spirit instead of sin, death and decay.

[micah7:9]

For some it still believed that we are gonna have individual mansions or little cabins when we get to heaven, but we have learned better. I reason that man continues to compare earthy thought with earthy thought.

Col 3:1  If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2  Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth.

Joh 14:1  `Let not your heart be troubled, believe in God, also in me believe;
Joh 14:2  in the house of my Father are many mansions; and if not, I would have told you; I go on to prepare a place for you;
Joh 14:3  and if I go on and prepare for you a place, again do I come, and will receive you unto myself, that where I am ye also may be;


Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be disturbed. Believe in God, and believe in Me."
Joh 14:2 In My Father's house are many abodes; yet if not I would have told you, for I am going to make ready a place for you."
Joh 14:3 And if I should be going and making ready a place for you, I am coming again and I will be taking you along to Myself, that where I am, you also may be."
Myself: G1683 emautou  emautō  emauton; of myself: - me, mine own (self), myself [from G1700 emou; of me: - me, mine, my. and G846 autos; From the particle αὖ au  through the idea of a baffling wind; backward);

[WhiteWings]

I think I misunderstood your question.  And I'm still not quite getting it.  Are you asking about individual bodies compared to the (collective) body of christ?  Are you saying that there is no individual glorious bodies?

If those are the questions then :dontknow:

Yes. at this point I do believe there is no individual glorious bodies.

What about both? If someone becomes part of the body/'church' of Jesus that person automaicly recieves a new body?

[WhiteWings]

That's why I wonder why we teach as tho there is an individual quality that we have when we are changed.
"Branches in one vine

We are members of one body now--the human race, the body of Adam.  You and I have the same body, Micah, that's why doctors can go to medical school and learn how to treat both of us for heart disease or cancer or the flu.   But, we are still individuals, with our own peculiarities, because God made us that way.  Different but the same.

So it will be in our glorified bodies.

And I can find scripture and verse for "So it will be in our glorified bodies." Where?

Philippians 3:20–21 ESV
20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

I think there are also verse that speak indirectly about glorified bodies.
Our bodies, without exception, get old and die. They won't last 'for ever'. Not even God can stop that because that's the way the body is designed. It can only be stopped by a new design :2c:

[Molly]

For some it still believed that we are gonna have individual mansions or little cabins when we get to heaven, but we have learned better. I reason that man continues to compare earthy thought with earthy thought.

Col 3:1  If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2  Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth.

Joh 14:1  `Let not your heart be troubled, believe in God, also in me believe;
Joh 14:2  in the house of my Father are many mansions; and if not, I would have told you; I go on to prepare a place for you;
Joh 14:3  and if I go on and prepare for you a place, again do I come, and will receive you unto myself, that where I am ye also may be;


Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be disturbed. Believe in God, and believe in Me."
Joh 14:2 In My Father's house are many abodes; yet if not I would have told you, for I am going to make ready a place for you."
Joh 14:3 And if I should be going and making ready a place for you, I am coming again and I will be taking you along to Myself, that where I am, you also may be."
Myself: G1683 emautou  emautō  emauton; of myself: - me, mine own (self), myself [from G1700 emou; of me: - me, mine, my. and G846 autos; From the particle αὖ au  through the idea of a baffling wind; backward);

Which means what to you?  To me it means we will be living where he is.  And, yes, it will be a glorious place to live.  I've already seen my mansion in a dream. :happygrin:

Whither thou goest, I will go. [Ruth 1:16]

[Molly]

Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.
--2 Cor 5:1

[Beloved Servant]

Is the word "if" important here?

[WhiteWings]

What does "if" mean?
a] Something uncertain?
b] A fact just like when God wants something it's a fact.

BTW eternal house = age-during house....