What are false teachers/prophets?

[WhiteWings]

Everyone that teaches wrong things?
Or only those that teach false thing on purpose (for personal/political gain)?

So is a honest iman (muslim) a false teacher?

[Beloved Servant]

There is only one truth.

[sheila]

,,,,,but take LIGHT and place it on Glass....and a rainbow/coat of many colours/New Jerusalem  comes forth

[urpilgrim]

There is only one truth.

I agree, there is only one truth.... and that truth is found only in the Lord Jesus Christ.

A honest Muslim man is no different then any other person that is still walking in darkness.

As for a "christian" teacher being false ...... well as someone said on another forum "A heretic (false teacher/prophet) is someone who didn't go to the same bible school as you."  :laughing7:

[WhiteWings]

I know muslims teach the wrong thing. Many Christians teachers also.
So that is NOT my question.

I will rephrase it.

Say there are 2 pastors that teach exactly the same things. The fire and brimstone stuff.
Pastor-A really, honestly to his very best knowledge believes he preaches what the Bible teaches.
Pastor-B knows and believes in UR. But still teaches fire and brimstone for all sorts of reasons. Let's say to extort some extra tithes.

Pastor-B clearly is a  :thumbdown: person.
Does the Bible make any difference between A and B?

[urpilgrim]

,,,,,but take LIGHT and place it on Glass....and a rainbow/coat of many colours/New Jerusalem  comes forth

What are you saying? That someone (muslim, hindu, buddist, etc. etc......) may be reconciled to Father just because they are a good and honest person?

Or are we reconcilled when we come to agree with the truth that is found in and through Jesus only? Wether that takes place pre or post mortem.

IMO All roads DO NOT lead to the Father of Light.

[WhiteWings]

,,,,,but take LIGHT and place it on Glass....and a rainbow/coat of many colours/New Jerusalem  comes forth

What are you saying? That someone (muslim, hindu, buddist, etc. etc......) may be reconciled to Father just because they are a good and honest person?

I'm not saying that. It's not about good or bad persons at all.

Or are we reconcilled when we come to agree with the truth that is found in and through Jesus only? Wether that takes place pre or post mortem.

That's not what I wrote either.

IMO All roads DO NOT lead to the Father of Light.

Imo that's what UR is about. ALL roads lead the God. It's just that most roads are detours...

[urpilgrim]

I know muslims teach the wrong thing. Many Christians teachers also.
So that is NOT my question.

I will rephrase it.

Say there are 2 pastors that teach exactly the same things. The fire and brimstone stuff.
Pastor-A really, honestly to his very best knowledge believes he preaches what the Bible teaches.
Pastor-B knows and believes in UR. But still teaches fire and brimstone for all sorts of reasons. Let's say to extort some extra tithes.

Pastor-B clearly is a  :thumbdown: person.
Does the Bible make any difference between A and B?

B  :thumbdown: :laughing7:

But kidding aside, I believe that Father's grace will cover a multitude of sin and shortcomings in all of us. I alone am responsible before Father to seek out the truth and walk in the light that He has given me. I can't blame false teachers or prophets for what I believe to be truth. That is why the bible warns me about these kind of teachers/prophets and that it warns them too of the greater judgment that will be given them.

[thinktank]

Everyone that teaches wrong things?
Or only those that teach false thing on purpose (for personal/political gain)?

So is a honest iman (muslim) a false teacher?

No christian preachers 100% truth, unless perhaps they are a chosen vessel such as apostle Paul.

But the world today is a big place, so God has to use the best he has got to bring truth.

I think the bible says some let themselves be deceived. I think there is a big distinction between, being an innocent lamb deceived by the dragon, and also being deceived because they like that deception and play ball and play their role in the deception. ( a bit like an actor who enjoys their role, more than the real life/truth) e.g the lord will never return.

40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

42And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

43Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

[urpilgrim]

Imo that's what UR is about. ALL roads lead the God. It's just that most roads are detours...

"Detours" That's an understatement.  :laughing7:

[urpilgrim]

Everyone that teaches wrong things?
Or only those that teach false thing on purpose (for personal/political gain)?

So is a honest iman (muslim) a false teacher?

No christian preachers 100% truth, unless perhaps they are a chosen vessel such as apostle Paul.

But the world today is a big place, so God has to use the best he has got to bring truth.

I think the bible says some let themselves be deceived. I think there is a big distinction between, being an innocent lamb deceived by the dragon, and also being deceived because they like that deception and play ball and play their role in the deception. ( a bit like an actor who enjoys their role, more than the real life/truth) e.g the lord will never return.

40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

42And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

43Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

:thumbsup:

[sheila]

URPILGRIM

   nO, WHAT i SAID WAS,UNTIL YOUR EYES ARE ABLE TO DISCERN THE DISTINCTIONS OF TRUTH[COLOURS] FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES

   LAYERS you shouldn't call someone a liar/FALSE PROPHET...OR[SAY THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM] :laughing7:

[sheila]

  NOTHING THAT ENTERS MAN DEFILES HIM...BUT PASSES INTO THE SEWER....A GOOD MAN BRINGS FORTH gOOD THINGS OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF HIS HEART

   IT IS WRITTEN...THEY WOULD DRINK POISON AND IT WILL NOT HARM THEM

[urpilgrim]

URPILGRIM

   nO, WHAT i SAID WAS,UNTIL YOUR EYES ARE ABLE TO DISCERN THE DISTINCTIONS OF TRUTH[COLOURS] FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES

   LAYERS you shouldn't call someone a liar/FALSE PROPHET...OR[SAY THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM] :laughing7:

Sorry, I did not mean to offend or anything.  :mblush: I don't do well with riddles or poetic inferences, or whatever you call it :sigh:  :laughing7:

I would agree with you that we should be slow to judge someone, for if it where not for the grace of God, there go I.

And in the "what i said" category .... for those of us that english is a second language.... please write what you mean and mean what you write ... or something like that :mshock:

grace and peace :boyheart:

[jabcat]

URPILGRIM

   nO, WHAT i SAID WAS,UNTIL YOUR EYES ARE ABLE TO DISCERN THE DISTINCTIONS OF TRUTH[COLOURS] FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES

   LAYERS you shouldn't call someone a liar/FALSE PROPHET...OR[SAY THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM] :laughing7:

Sorry, I did not mean to offend or anything.  :mblush: I don't do well with riddles or poetic inferences, or whatever you call it :sigh:  :laughing7:

I would agree with you that we should be slow to judge someone, for if it where not for the grace of God, there go I.

And in the "what i said" category .... for those of us that english is a second language.... please write what you mean and mean what you write ... or something like that :mshock:

grace and peace :boyheart:

:bigGrin:

[jabcat]

Imo that's what UR is about. ALL roads lead the God. It's just that most roads are detours...

"Detours" That's an understatement.  :laughing7:

:bigGrin:     Another way to look at the "all roads" thing is, all roads may lead to God, but all but one (the Way of Life) are roads to destruction.  Most will meet Him in need of "destruction" of all not of God, until every knee bows. 

"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."  Mt. 7:14

[Molly]

"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
--John 10:10

The thief is the false prophet.  It is a matter of intent and motive.  He is coming--to kill--to steal--to destroy.


It doesn't have to be 'religious.'  For instance, I consider the media a false prophet.

[sheila]

 no apoliogy necessary.......I wrote that from my own expierence of doing that :mblush:    I USED TO BE A JEHOVAH'S WITTNESS..the 'troof'

   Sorry, I didn't mean to be unclear to you. I have an 'ironic' sense of humour...and sometimes people don't know how to take me :mshock:

    :HeartThrob:    :HeartThrob: to you...but,I have been asked several times of late to clarify...and I will make more of an effort

   

[Beloved Servant]

"troof," that's funny too!  lol.

[Beloved Servant]

"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
--John 10:10

The thief is the false prophet.  It is a matter of intent and motive.  He is coming--to kill--to steal--to destroy.


It doesn't have to be 'religious.'  For instance, I consider the media a false prophet.

Let's not forget Hollywood.
The minister of death.

[WhiteWings]

But kidding aside, I believe that Father's grace will cover a multitude of sin and shortcomings in all of us. I alone am responsible before Father to seek out the truth and walk in the light that He has given me. I can't blame false teachers or prophets for what I believe to be truth. That is why the bible warns me about these kind of teachers/prophets and that it warns them too of the greater judgment that will be given them.

The Bible warns about them. But the Bible also say the false teachers will a recieve a double portion of  :spank: (of they decieve babes)

All teachers are in a way false because none has the complete truth/understanding. (except Father, Son and HS)
Is every teacher called a false teacher?
Only those that are wrong more that x%?
Or only type-B?

[WhiteWings]

Imo that's what UR is about. ALL roads lead the God. It's just that most roads are detours...

"Detours" That's an understatement.  :laughing7:

:bigGrin:     Another way to look at the "all roads" thing is, all roads may lead to God, but all but one (the Way of Life) are roads to destruction.  Most will meet Him in need of "destruction" of all not of God, until every knee bows. 

"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."  Mt. 7:14

Most roads leads to a bath. Nice a foaming with fullars soap :laughing7:

[Molly]

"false prophet"
G5578
ψευδοπροφήτης
pseudoprophētēs
psyoo-dop-rof-ay'-tace
From G5571 and G4396; a spurious prophet, that is, pretended foreteller or religious impostor: - false prophet.


The word is a combination of two words:


G5571
ψευδής
pseudēs
psyoo-dace'
From G5574; untrue, that is, erroneous, deceitful, wicked: - false, liar.


and..


G4396
προφήτης
prophētēs
prof-ay'-tace
From a compound of G4253 and G5346; a foreteller ("prophet"); by analogy an inspired speaker; by extension a poet: - prophet.


Something is inspiring the false prophet--it's just not God.

[WhiteWings]

Is pastor-A also a false teacher?
And you? Because you don't know everything?
Do we have 7 billion false teachers on this planet?

[Molly]

Is pastor-A also a false teacher?
And you? Because you don't know everything?
Do we have 7 billion false teachers on this planet?

It's a matter of the heart and of motive and of the source of the information, not knowledge.