The silver cord. Ecc. 12:6

[micah7:9]

The silver cord keeps one alive, when it is cut, removed, or taken...death is the outcome, the silver cord, cannot be the Holy Spirit....The Spirit cannot die.

Ecc 12:6

(ASV)  before the silver cord is loosed, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern,

(CLV) Remember Him, while the silver cable is not yet pulled away, And the golden bowl is splintered, And the jar is broken at the fount, And the rolling wheel is splintered at the cistern,

(KJV)  Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

(Rotherham)  Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken,—or the bucket by the fountain be shivered, or the wheel at the well be broken;

(YLT)  While that the silver cord is not removed, And the golden bowl broken, And the pitcher broken by the fountain, And the wheel broken at the well.

[CHB]

Hi Micah,

The way I understand this is, the silver cord is the spirit or breath in man not the Holy Spirit.

Doesn't every part of man have to die? 

CHB

[micah7:9]

Yes. I think so. I thought I had read somewhere on this forum that the silver cord was the Holy Spirit. I searched for it but could not find the post. I supposed I am still searching, hoping the poster will respond.

[Molly]

Like I said, I have seen the silver cord.  I have left my body twice.  Both times I was connected to my body by a cord of light.  It looked like an umbilical cord.  For what it's worth. :2c:

The silver cord wasn't 'me,' it wasn't my body--it connected me to my body.

[Beloved Servant]

Silver = Redemption

[micah7:9]

Silver = Redemption

Yes!

[micah7:9]

Like I said, I have seen the silver cord.  I have left my body twice.  Both times I was connected to my body by a cord of light.  It looked like an umbilical cord.  For what it's worth. :2c:

The silver cord wasn't 'me,' it wasn't my body--it connected me to my body.

Thanks...trying to understand :bigGrin:

[Molly]

silver cord is life.  golden bowl is the body.  If you cut the silver cord or break the golden bowl, you are dead. [my body broken for you.] He likens the silver cord to the pully at a well.  The body is the bucket/pitcher which is lowered into the well to collect water by the pulley which is the silver cord.  If the pitcher or the pulley is broken, you are dead--no longer able to collect life through the body.

The silver cord connects us to our body like an umbilical cord.  But I will say this, I was outside my body and alive.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Exactly.....the "umbilical cord" is what connects the spirit of us to the SOUL, IN the dirt suit. The soul must be brought out from under the flesh to come into the Spirit, a NEW BIRTH, else it is as one stillborn.

The cord is the connection between mother and child, what keeps them connected until it is CUT, just like the HEART must be circumcized. The cord is as Jacob, the heel catcher, binding us to the soulish realm.

It is the spirit of man that leaves to return to the One who sent it, but soul stays trapped in whatever it did not overcome while still in the body.

When the cord is cut (the way it should and eventually will be, IMO) the soul will be able to ascend in union WITH the spirit, no longer split but whole, one new man (and He called THEIR name Adam = plural, both of them) totally IN CHRIST. My  :2c:

[Molly]

Just saw this, Cardinal. :icon_king:

That last paragraph--could you spend a little more time explaining that?

[WhiteWings]

Moly compare
Genesis 5:2 - H120 -> mankind

Genesis 5:3 - H121 -> a man

The strange thing is that I see no difference between the Hebrew and transliteration of that Hebrew when I compare H120/H121
My lexicon even notes H120=H121
Somehow (according to some articles I've read in the past) the translation/disctinction between Adam the person and Adam the mankind is very problematic.
Maybe Ezra messed up. (and there are no originals left to check)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Going to leave in a few minutes, but will get to it later in the day.....

[micah7:9]

Moly compare
Genesis 5:2 - H120 -> mankind

Genesis 5:3 - H121 -> a man

The strange thing is that I see no difference between the Hebrew and transliteration of that Hebrew when I compare H120/H121
My lexicon even notes H120=H121
Somehow (according to some articles I've read in the past) the translation/disctinction between Adam the person and Adam the mankind is very problematic.
Maybe Ezra messed up. (and there are no originals left to check)

Hey WW check out these verses, with "man," H376 the Lord has had me stumbling orver them for a while now, perhaps you have some light.
Gen. 2:23,24 Gen. 4:1,23 Gen. 6:9

[WhiteWings]

^ACVGenesis 2
23 And the man said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cling to his wife, and the two (LXX/NT) shall be one flesh.

^ACVGenesis 4
1 And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from LORD.

^ACVGenesis 4
23 And Lamech said to his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice, ye wives of Lamech, hearken to my speech. For I have killed a man for wounding me, and a young man for bruising me.

^ACVGenesis 6
9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.



אדם
'âdâm
BDB Definition:
1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being
1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
1c) Adam, first man
1d) city in Jordan valley
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from H119
Same Word by TWOT Number: 25a

'ı̂ysh
BDB Definition:
1) man
1a) man, male (in contrast to woman, female)
1b) husband
1c) human being, person (in contrast to God)
1d) servant
1e) mankind
1f) champion
1g) great man
2) whosoever
3) each (adjective)
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: contracted for H582 [or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant]
Same Word by TWOT Number: 83a


חוּה
chavvâh
BDB Definition:
Eve = "life" or "living"
1) the first woman, wife of Adam
Part of Speech: noun proper feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: causatively from H2331

Root word of Eve
חוה
châvâh
BDB Definition:
1) (Piel) to tell, declare, show, make known
2) (CLBL) to breath
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: a primitive root [compare H2324, H2421]
Same Word by TWOT Number: 618


Another roor word for Eve
châyâh
BDB Definition:
1) to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life, live prosperously, live for ever, be quickened, be alive, be restored to life or health
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to live
1a1a) to have life
1a1b) to continue in life, remain alive
1a1c) to sustain life, to live on or upon
1a1d) to live (prosperously)
1a2) to revive, be quickened
1a2a) from sickness
1a2b) from discouragement
1a2c) from faintness
1a2d) from death
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to preserve alive, let live
1b2) to give life
1b3) to quicken, revive, refresh
1b3a) to restore to life
1b3b) to cause to grow
1b3c) to restore
1b3d) to revive
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to preserve alive, let live
1c2) to quicken, revive
1c2a) to restore (to health)
1c2b) to revive
1c2c) to restore to life
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: a primitive root [compare H2331, H2421]
Same Word by TWOT Number: 644

ילד
yeled
BDB Definition:
1) child, son, boy, offspring, youth
1a) child, son, boy
1b) child, children
1c) descendants
1d) youth
1e) apostate Israelites (figuratively)
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from H3205
Same Word by TWOT Number: 867b

[WhiteWings]

Micah a thing you might like is that one of the meanings of Eve is breath.

All the Adam verses are problematic for me. (KJV translates all the red words as Adam)
The defenitions of the red and blue overlap so much lots of uncertainty remains.
Looking at the defenitions only, I would say red=mankind and blue=a male person.
But that doesn't make much sense...

Take Gen 4:1 -> Whole mankind slept with Eve. Busy woman.... Plus women are part of mankind too. We can be sure that's not what the verse intends to say. Then she gives birth to 1 son.
The same for Gen 2:23. Switching from mankind to man makes no sense to me.

:sigh:

[thinktank]

Are you saying that this Hebrew symbol is used twice?


אדם
'âdâm


BDB Definition:
1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being
1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
1c) Adam, first man
1d) city in Jordan valley
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from H119
Same Word by TWOT Number: 25a


Same as


2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam , in the day when they were created.


Is it the same symbol used every time Adam is mentioned in Genesis?

[WhiteWings]

I see no difference in them TT.
But then (as I wrote before) the present Hebrew letter are not in the originals. The originals used phoenician/proto Hebrew script that looks like the 2 words in my avatar.
It was Ezra who introduced the modern square script (without the accents which are recently added)
So maybe the version of Genesis Moses wrotes uses different words. Unfortunately I don't have those copies to compare.


אדם
'âdâm
BDB Definition:
Adam = "red"
1) first man
2) city in Jordan valley
Part of Speech: noun proper masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: the same as H120
Same Word by TWOT Number: 25a

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: How about; one is the singular creation man Adam, and the other is the corporate many-membered body of Adam, ie. mankind?

[WhiteWings]

That's exactly what the lexicons do Cardinal. I showed that with a few examples in this thread. But it solves nothing; it adds more confusion.
If words are exactly teh same in Hebrew what are the rules to translate them differently?

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/gen126.htm

[rosered]

I see no difference in them TT.
But then (as I wrote before) the present Hebrew letter are not in the originals. The originals used phoenician/proto Hebrew script that looks like the 2 words in my avatar.
It was Ezra who introduced the modern square script (without the accents which are recently added)
So maybe the version of Genesis Moses wrotes uses different words. Unfortunately I don't have those copies to compare.


אדם
'âdâm
BDB Definition:
Adam = "red"
1) first man
2) city in Jordan valley
Part of Speech: noun proper masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: the same as H120
Same Word by TWOT Number: 25a

Hi WW  ,  just wondering here if the differnce    in  the Adam  son of God
and the Adam / mankind formed out of the dust of the ground  are one the same ?
  what if God has them seperate , but in the same   being spirit /soul  ?
  this being the seperation spirit /soul , unless you see them as the same also ?
  just wondering here on this part
  that would be why Gen 1 and Gen 2  are different in   descriptions of  make ups?

  GOD  formed , made and  fashioned ?    using the KJV and strongs and the lexicons  ,  the words seem to hold some differences  :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

That's exactly what the lexicons do Cardinal. I showed that with a few examples in this thread. But it solves nothing; it adds more confusion.
If words are exactly teh same in Hebrew what are the rules to translate them differently?

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/gen126.htm

:cloud9: Context?

[rosered]

An example for comparing between  the two types of words translated    made/ make and  formed 
Adam  come from Both of Gods works  in the begining
 
Strong's H3335 - yatsar ) to form, fashion, frame
a) (Qal) to form, fashion

1) of human activity

2) of divine activity

a) of creation

1) of original creation

2) of individuals at conception

3) of Israel as a people

b) to frame, pre-ordain, plan (fig. of divine) purpose of a situation)

b) (Niphal) to be formed, be created

c) (Pual) to be predetermined, be pre-ordained

d) (Hophal) to be formed

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

more of a potter and clay  usage

Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 

Strong's H6213 - `asah
1) to do, fashion, accomplish, make

a) (Qal)

1) to do, work, make, produce

a) to do

b) to work

c) to deal (with)

d) to act, act with effect, effect

2) to make

a) to make

b) to produce

c) to prepare

d) to make (an offering)

e) to attend to, put in order

f) to observe, celebrate

g) to acquire (property)

h) to appoint, ordain, institute

i) to bring about

j) to use

k) to spend, pass

b) (Niphal)

1) to be done

2) to be made

3) to be produced

4) to be offered

5) to be observed

6) to be used

c) (Pual) to be made

2) (Piel) to press, squeeze

this seems to be more of a process also  and  not  done /made  perfect / complete yet

or could be sooooo wrong  :sigh:

[WhiteWings]

That's exactly what the lexicons do Cardinal. I showed that with a few examples in this thread. But it solves nothing; it adds more confusion.
If words are exactly teh same in Hebrew what are the rules to translate them differently?

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/gen126.htm

:cloud9: Context?

Isn't "context" a synonym for "insert your favorite doctrine here" ?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Not in my book, because He adds layers of understanding just like you build a rock wall, and they all witness each other. He is basically telling the same "story" a thousand different "ways" thru every jot and tittle in there. So if you find one thing that reflects the same principles already shown, it's a keeper. My  :2c:

[micah7:9]

Micah a thing you might like is that one of the meanings of Eve is breath.  YEAH I KNOW :thumbsup:

All the Adam verses are problematic for me. (KJV translates all the red words as Adam)
The defenitions of the red and blue overlap so much lots of uncertainty remains.
Looking at the defenitions only I would say red=mankind and blue=a male person.
But that doesn't make much sense...

Take Gen 4:1 -> Whole mankind slept with Eve. Busy woman.... Plus women are part of mankind too. We can be sure that's not what the verse intends to say. Then she gives birth to 1 son.
The same for Gen 2:23. Switching form mankind to man makes no sense to me.

:sigh:

Yeah I do the sigh myself, but there is so much to understand and see in the first 6 chapter, even just the first 4, before we can understand the whole Parable.