Something I just thought of

[DC]

Even if you could make copies of yourself in heaven, they would still technically be separate beings from you even if they had all your memories, wouldn't they?

[thinktank]

This is a very deep prayer that concerns all of mankind, because ED has always been one of my deepest, darkest fears, and even though I know that I don't want it, I just feel safer knowing that it could never happen even to people who do want it, it's hard to explain.
DC

I imagine some of my ED posts have been hard to digest if you have read some of them, but I often wonder why is it people are upset over ED, are these people so perfect in love that they do not want anyone to perish? or is it something else?

Naturally I'm skeptical of anyone that claims to love all people and perhaps they have had an easy life, or don't quite live in reality, but I can see that perhaps some might be genuinly concerned, but I don't like pretenders.

But I think those who fear ED are less concerned over someone such as Jack the ripper and are more concerned over someone they know, that is not living life up to holy standards and might be a candidate for ED. I think the antidode for this fear is to realize that God came for the sick and the meek, so anyone who humbles himself will be justifed by God and even king Nebuznegger, the king of babylon, who is a shadow of the antichrist(possibly the antichrist), humbled himself before God.
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[shawn]

It's funny but one of my deepest fears is that all souls are eternal...because that would mean it's UR or bust.  If UR is indeed true then what a glorious manifestation of God's grace.  If not, and all men are eternal...then that brings up subjects that raise the hair on my neck.  The fact that God could indeed end a soul seems compassionate to me.  It's certainly better than the alternative if UR is not true.

As for what TT says...I would partially agree.  I believe we can love mankind and truly have compassion on those who are lost.  With that said, much of man's searching starts to resolve their own fears.  I always wonder about those who claim "I know that I know 100%" that it happens like such and such.  I think many including myself fall into the category of "I believe with all my heart that it's this way...but there is a small possibility it could be x,y or z".  There are only a few "certainties" I have in my life and even with those...in my darkest hours I have my times of doubt.   

Many of us want to see friends, family members who were not believers in heaven.  We all want certainty of our own place with God.  I know for me, I try not to let this sway my judgment on scripture.  But, how could it not?  I believe the Holy Spirit gives me exactly what I need from scripture for that day...no more and no less.  It's why I tend to be silent on subjects which I just don't know.  My stance on judgment is that "I just don't know".  I don't believe in ET but I can't prove it doesn't exist.  As for ED, as much as I want to see everyone saved...I find much more peace with that possibility than I do ET.

[lomarah]

This is a very deep prayer that concerns all of mankind, because ED has always been one of my deepest, darkest fears, and even though I know that I don't want it, I just feel safer knowing that it could never happen even to people who do want it, it's hard to explain.
DC

I imagine some of my ED posts have been hard to digest if you have read some of them, but I often wonder why is it people are upset over ED, are these people so perfect in love that they do not want anyone to perish? or is it something else?

Naturally I'm skeptical of anyone that claims to love all people and perhaps they have had an easy life, or don't quite live in reality, but I can see that perhaps some might be genuinly concerned, but I don't like pretenders.

But I think those who fear ED are less concerned over someone such as Jack the ripper and are more concerned over someone they know, that is not living life up to holy standards and might be a candidate for ED. I think the antidode for this fear is to realize that God came for the sick and the meek, so anyone who humbles himself will be justifed by God and even king Nebuznegger, the king of babylon, who is a shadow of the antichrist(possibly the antichrist), humbled himself before God.
:2c:

You know what though thinktank? Jack the ripper was someone's son too. Not to mention God's, since He is the Father of all spirits. I can't say I know for sure that ED isn't an option but I know that I would do everything I could to make sure my own child was saved, no matter how badly they had sinned.  :HeartThrob:

[shawn]

This is a very deep prayer that concerns all of mankind, because ED has always been one of my deepest, darkest fears, and even though I know that I don't want it, I just feel safer knowing that it could never happen even to people who do want it, it's hard to explain.
DC

I imagine some of my ED posts have been hard to digest if you have read some of them, but I often wonder why is it people are upset over ED, are these people so perfect in love that they do not want anyone to perish? or is it something else?

Naturally I'm skeptical of anyone that claims to love all people and perhaps they have had an easy life, or don't quite live in reality, but I can see that perhaps some might be genuinly concerned, but I don't like pretenders.

But I think those who fear ED are less concerned over someone such as Jack the ripper and are more concerned over someone they know, that is not living life up to holy standards and might be a candidate for ED. I think the antidode for this fear is to realize that God came for the sick and the meek, so anyone who humbles himself will be justifed by God and even king Nebuznegger, the king of babylon, who is a shadow of the antichrist(possibly the antichrist), humbled himself before God.
:2c:

You know what though thinktank? Jack the ripper was someone's son too. Not to mention God's, since He is the Father of all spirits. I can't say I know for sure that ED isn't an option but I know that I would do everything I could to make sure my own child was saved, no matter how badly they had sinned.  :HeartThrob:

I don't know who it was here but they said something that made much sense to me.  They spoke about Saul's name not being written in the Lamb's Book of Life.  Saul died.  Saul knew religion but did not know God.  I would think that Paul's name IS written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Paul considered himself among the worst of sinners.  He certainly made a case for it by his actions as Saul.  But, God showed his unlimited patience with us through Paul.  If Paul can be saved, who is too sinful to be saved?  Was Saul seeking the face of God when he was chasing and killing Christians?  What redeeming value did Saul have that turned God's eyes towards him and say...I will bring him unto myself?  I would suggest none.  So, when looking at some of the "monsters" of our society I see men God CAN and possibly will save.  I have more belief today than I have had in much time that God will indeed save ALL including those we have a hard time loving.  I see myself...among the worst of sinners.  I feel like Paul that God's infinite patience has been displayed in my life through my salvation and through the current process of sancification.  If God can and is willing to save me, who will he not save?

[thinktank]

You know what though thinktank? Jack the ripper was someone's son too. Not to mention God's, since He is the Father of all spirits. I can't say I know for sure that ED isn't an option but I know that I would do everything I could to make sure my own child was saved, no matter how badly they had sinned.  :HeartThrob:

Yes

[DC]

Today I had a disturbing thought.  What would happen if, in heaven, someone asked God to put an end to their conscious existence, and then to create a new conscious existence that had all of their old memories, like some kind of time-travel duplicate?  This has been one of the hardest pieces of the puzzle for me to fit  in, but here it goes.

-The Bible makes it very very clear that death will be destroyed.  If you were to ask God of such a request, wouldn't it still be death from your end if something like that happened?  And wouldn't your duplicate still techincally be a seperate being from you even if it retained all of your memories?

-The only reason someone would want to do that would be if someone is in pain.  Since there will be no more pain in heaven, no one would want to do that.

-The Gospels of Matthew and Luke teach you to keep praying and you will receive what you ask as long as it is in line with God's will.  I have been praying that God NEVER allow this to happen under any circumstances, and I have strong faith that he will grant my request.  This isn't like the selfish prayers for material possessions that I've made in the past, this is a very deep prayer that concerns all of mankind, because ED has always been one of my deepest, darkest fears, and even though I know that I don't want it, I just feel safer knowing that it could never happen even to people who do want it, it's hard to explain.

And one very important question- are there any scriptures that suggest that there will still be natural law in heaven just like their is today?

I know this sounds like a ridiculous scenario,but just wanted assurance that, if death is really really completely destroyed, there are no loopholes whatsoever.  Not that I would ever want to commit suicide in heaven, but knowing that there is no way God would ever allow me to just gives me peace, and this scenario is the only stumbling block to this puzzle I haven't completely solved yet, but I think I've come up with something, and I would like it if people could back me up on this.

In such a scenario, something would still be dying, wouldn't it?  Even if the body still stays alive the entire time through such a scenario, the mind would still die, right?  Granted, it would be immediately replaced with another mind that is exactly the same memories and all, but it would still be a different mind.  And since death will be completely destroyed, God won't allow your body or your mind to die in his kingdom.
     

[kingdom chaser]

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I don't know who it was here but they said something that made much sense to me.  They spoke about Saul's name not being written in the Lamb's Book of Life.  Saul died.  Saul knew religion but did not know God.  I would think that Paul's name IS written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Paul considered himself among the worst of sinners.  He certainly made a case for it by his actions as Saul.  But, God showed his unlimited patience with us through Paul.  If Paul can be saved, who is too sinful to be saved?  Was Saul seeking the face of God when he was chasing and killing Christians?  What redeeming value did Saul have that turned God's eyes towards him and say...I will bring him unto myself?  I would suggest none.  So, when looking at some of the "monsters" of our society I see men God CAN and possibly will save.  I have more belief today than I have had in much time that God will indeed save ALL including those we have a hard time loving.  I see myself...among the worst of sinners.  I feel like Paul that God's infinite patience has been displayed in my life through my salvation and through the current process of sancification.  If God can and is willing to save me, who will he not save?
[/quote]

Perhaps what's being erased from the Lambs book of life is not the person themselves, but it's the carnality they once identified with.  "That" name/nature has been erased as we've become a new creation with a new name.

[WhiteWings]

Today I had a disturbing thought.  What would happen if, in heaven, someone asked God to put an end to their conscious existence, and then to create a new conscious existence that had all of their old memories, like some kind of time-travel duplicate?  This has been one of the hardest pieces of the puzzle for me to fit  in, but here it goes.

-The Bible makes it very very clear that death will be destroyed.  If you were to ask God of such a request, wouldn't it still be death from your end if something like that happened?  And wouldn't your duplicate still techincally be a seperate being from you even if it retained all of your memories?

-The only reason someone would want to do that would be if someone is in pain.  Since there will be no more pain in heaven, no one would want to do that.

-The Gospels of Matthew and Luke teach you to keep praying and you will receive what you ask as long as it is in line with God's will.  I have been praying that God NEVER allow this to happen under any circumstances, and I have strong faith that he will grant my request.  This isn't like the selfish prayers for material possessions that I've made in the past, this is a very deep prayer that concerns all of mankind, because ED has always been one of my deepest, darkest fears, and even though I know that I don't want it, I just feel safer knowing that it could never happen even to people who do want it, it's hard to explain.

And one very important question- are there any scriptures that suggest that there will still be natural law in heaven just like their is today?

I know this sounds like a ridiculous scenario,but just wanted assurance that, if death is really really completely destroyed, there are no loopholes whatsoever.  Not that I would ever want to commit suicide in heaven, but knowing that there is no way God would ever allow me to just gives me peace, and this scenario is the only stumbling block to this puzzle I haven't completely solved yet, but I think I've come up with something, and I would like it if people could back me up on this.

In such a scenario, something would still be dying, wouldn't it?  Even if the body still stays alive the entire time through such a scenario, the mind would still die, right?  Granted, it would be immediately replaced with another mind that is exactly the same memories and all, but it would still be a different mind.  And since death will be completely destroyed, God won't allow your body or your mind to die in his kingdom.

I (think I) understand your point. Your fear is that some people become unhappy in heaven. Maybe because they are bored after being 6 billion years in heaven.
God can instantly take away your immortality. I don't doubt that. But that would mean the immortality He promissed is conditional immortality. You can die on request. I think that's not what the Bible teaches. So by taking away your immortality God would break His promise. That isn't going to happen.
But God made another promise. There shall be no more tears and sorrow. I think being bored for a billion years can be seen classified as sorrow. That means God broke His promise.
So my conclusion is that heaven will be blessed with a very happy DC without even the slightest boredom or wish to die.

[kingdom chaser]

It's amusing watching natural minds trying to comprehend spiritual realities.

[thinktank]

You say that like your an angel or something :laughing7:

Maybe you are one, the scriptures say that we often entertain angels unaware.

Should I call you gabriel ? :winkgrin:

[DC]

WhiteWings, I see what you mean.  When pain and sorrow are gone, there's no way anyone could ever be serious about such a request.

[jabcat]

So my conclusion is that heaven will be blessed with a very happy DC without even the slightest boredom or wish to die.

Agreed with that conclusion.  God knows exactly what we need and what to do. 

Casting your cares on Him because He cares for you.

[Nathan]

You say that like your an angel or something :laughing7:

Maybe you are one, the scriptures say that we often entertain angels unaware.

Should I call you gabriel ? :winkgrin:

Ha!  Actually what comes to mind is where all the people were watching Jesus leave one realm and enter the other and the angels then stated "Why are you looking at the clouds . . .you'll see him return just as you saw him leave . .go about the journey that's been prepared for you . . ."

Granted our minds obviously wonder and there's nothing wrong with the wonderment.  I was just tongue-and-cheeking the comment . . .

[reFORMer]

Before any idea of UR had come to me, early in my walk with God, it seemed that to have the Holy Spirit's life, a kind of life that you'd even want to last forever, was miraculous.