Something I just thought of

[DC]

What do you think would happen if someone wanted to just stop existing after they die?  Personally, I don't think that God would ever allow someone's soul to stop existing.  I think he loves us all way to much to ever allow that to happen to anyone, even people who may want it now.  I think that the only reason anyone would ever want that is because they're afraid of things they don't understand, and I think that asking to stop existing should be the same as asking to change the past or bring someone back from the dead right now instead of before the final resurrection.  It's against God's will and he won't allow it to happen under any circumstances.

So, what I'm wondering is, is their significant scriptural support for my point of view?

[lomarah]

The Lord is not willing that any should perish... 

[DC]

Various verses say that death will be destroyed, and John 5 mentions how everyone who hears the voice will rise again, and that everyone in the grave will hear the voice.

I think that proves my view must be right.

[thinktank]

When thee sons of God arise as one, that will be similar to a million Jesus on the earth. One million Jesus types = resurection power in the hands of every resurected saint, this is what the creation is groaning for, the manifestation of the sons of God.

[Molly]

When thee sons of God arise as one, that will be similar to a million Jesus on the earth. One million Jesus types = resurection power in the hands of every resurected saint, this is what the creation is groaning for, the manifestation of the sons of God.

Sounds good to me. :winkgrin:

I said similar to that to a minister once, and got a blank stare, followed by hostility followed by no, no, no...

I wonder why he found it so threatening?

[PaoloNuevo]

So, what I'm wondering is, is their significant scriptural support for my point of view?

God will have all men to be saved/doth will all men to be saved (1 Tim. 2: 4 KJV, YLT)

As in adam all die, so in Christ all shall be made alive (1 Cor. 15: 22)

He wills us to be saved, even saved from the aversion to life and saved from the depressing desire to cease to exist..  :winkgrin:

[thinktank]

When thee sons of God arise as one, that will be similar to a million Jesus on the earth. One million Jesus types = resurection power in the hands of every resurected saint, this is what the creation is groaning for, the manifestation of the sons of God.

Sounds good to me. :winkgrin:

I said similar to that to a minister once, and got a blank stare, followed by hostility followed by no, no, no...

I wonder why he found it so threatening?

Perhaps he was a buddist  :laughing7:

[PaoloNuevo]

My quasi-ET friend (quasi-ET cuz she believes in ET but the potential for God to end the punishment)...

She asked, "So if Matthew 25: 46 is chastening? Then that would include Satan and his angels."

I replied, "YES!"

And she laughed so hard....

Why is it ok to advocate love for enemies but at the same time delight in God torturing his enemies forever?

But - back on topic... I think God will give us a zest for LIFE (Zoen Aionion) and an eternal life that is... So I suppose it really is against what God wants if we choose to cease to exist... He will reVITALize us..  :winkgrin:

[DC]

I believe that when Jesus said death would be destroyed, he meant it- NO loopholes whatsoever.D :thumbsup:                                 

And it feels like whenever I have deep questions that cause me to have doubt, The Holy Spirit always leads me to something that picks me back up. :bigGrin:

[Taffy]

[What do you think would happen if someone wanted to just stop existing after they die?

Theres More then a few one could Give come scriptute- Its HIS will\desire all MEN be saved- I dare say Puny man has Much chance against HIM- seemed Saul learnt the Hard way too

evenso- All men shall BOW and call HIM LORD- and this doesnt mean HE will break Their legs  -unless you can Find a scripture to support it

Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


) to confess

2) to profess

a) acknowledge openly and joyfully
b) to one's honour: to celebrate, give praise to

c) to profess that one will do something, to promise, agree, engage




But it sems No one can HIM LORD UNLESS

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Phl 2:10   That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; 


Phl 2:11   And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


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Blessings

[nes]

Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

This is Paul quoting Isaiah 45:23, he says "for it is written" to explain this.  Also read Isaiah 45:22.

Isaiah 45:23 niv 2010

By myself I have sworn,
   my mouth has uttered in all integrity
   a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow;
   by me every tongue will swear.

It simply explains that EVERY knee will bow, but those who refuse to do so while on earth will do so before the judge after they die.  But does a knee bowing signify the acknowledgment that jesus is lord?

But it sems No one can HIM LORD UNLESS

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

That's why it's so important to get the holy spirit in you, because some do not.

Gal.3:14  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we mightreceive the promise of the Spirit.

Notice the word might, it does NOT say the word will.

Ephesians 1:13  And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

Phl 2:10   That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; 

Phl 2:11   And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

one word in phil 2:10 should be stressed over and over again.

Phil 2:10-11

"so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

here's my translation of the verse.

"so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Hmm, actually I don't think the argument I just made helps my argument...

[jabcat]

LOL on your last sentence.  I've done that before :)

Please ask God to truly open your heart to this;

Phil. 2:10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean,
11 and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father.  (Concordant Literal Translation)

Many translations say BY the Holy Spirit.  A literal translation from Young's Literal Translation; 
I Cor. 12:3  ...no one is able to say Jesus is Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.

And what do the scriptures say happens when, "..if you acknowledge with your mouth Yesu as the Master, and have faith in your heart that God has awakened Him from among the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED.  Rom. 10:9, The Christian Bible (Literal to the Koine Greek)

Paul said "each in his own turn (order)".   James

[Taffy]

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Hi nes
Firstly theres No scripture which implies salavtion will be concluded In this Life span- :icon_flower: If so where is IT? :dontknow:

Gal.3:14  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we mightreceive the promise of the Spirit.
Notice the word might, it does NOT say the word will.

Might - no not at all -  its a  PROMISE

I cant see the point of this scripture  - MIGHT as in ,you maybe lucky and recieive it -?  :sigh:

receive 133, take 106, have 3, catch 3

[Ephesians 1:13  And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

AMEN

Phil 2:10-11

"so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

kamptō
It simply means BOW- which is a Lowering of the Knee causing the head to fall in Honour and worship  of one who is  sovereign-  this being the recognition of Confessing with the Mouth ,the LORD is Lord which no one can say except it be "IN" the Holy Spirit , Be it in the Life span or the Next.

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[WhiteWings]

It simply explains that EVERY knee will bow, but those who refuse to do so while on earth will do so before the judge after they die.  But does a knee bowing signify the acknowledgment that jesus is lord?

Not a single person can come to Father/go to heaven without believing/bowing to the Son.
IF that is only during this life time then all OT people are in big trouble.
Including people like Noach, Job and Mozes.
Do they get a chance to kneel before Jesus?

[micah7:9]

It simply explains that EVERY knee will bow, but those who refuse to do so while on earth will do so before the judge after they die.  But does a knee bowing signify the acknowledgment that jesus is lord?

Not a single person can come to Father/go to heaven without believing/bowing to the Son.
IF that is only during this life time then all OT people are in big trouble.
Including people like Noach, Job and Mozes.
Do they get a chance to kneel before Jesus?

Amen to that! :bigGrin:

[micah7:9]

I receive it this way, we find the contention it words like "might, should, will, wish, would, may"... as in
1Ti 2:4

(ASV)  who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth.

(CLV) Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.

(KJV)  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

(Rotherham)  Who willeth, all men, to be saved, and, unto a personal knowledge of truth, to come;

(RYLT-NT)  who does will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;

(WNT)  who is willing for all mankind to be saved and come to a full knowledge of the truth.

(YLT)  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;

When the Lord God that I believe in and have faith in "might, should, will, wish, would, may" then
count it as so and done and that without question or doubt. 

[fullarmor2]

Gal.3:14  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we mightreceive the promise of the Spirit.

Notice the word might, it does NOT say the word will.

    Remember what the blessing was.  God said to Abraham, "through your seed, ALL the nations of the World shall be blessed".
  God didn't say that the nations "might" be blessed.  God said they WILL be.     
     The Spirit of our Father confirmed this again very beautifully through David in the Psalms.  David said that all the nations and all they who go down into the dust will bow and worship before the Lord!   

[WhiteWings]

Gal.3:14  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we mightreceive the promise of the Spirit.

Notice the word might, it does NOT say the word will.

Tricky interpretation....


Gal.3:14  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
So even believers possible don't get teh promis e of the Spirit?

Gal.3:14  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Gentiles is a group. So possible the blessing is not passed on to the Gentiles.

Gal.3:14  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
The blessing possibly does not come through Jesus.

[reFORMer]

I have been told that the word "might" in older English is closer to "power and 'might'" than our associating it with "may," including the idea of "permissible, possible" even, "maybe, maybe not."  Consider "might" as power that assusures it will happen!

[jabcat]

It simply explains that EVERY knee will bow, but those who refuse to do so while on earth will do so before the judge after they die.  But does a knee bowing signify the acknowledgment that jesus is lord?

Not a single person can come to Father/go to heaven without believing/bowing to the Son.
IF that is only during this life time then all OT people are in big trouble.
Including people like Noach, Job and Mozes.
Do they get a chance to kneel before Jesus?

:thumbsup:

[Paul Hazelwood]

What do you think would happen if someone wanted to just stop existing after they die?  Personally, I don't think that God would ever allow someone's soul to stop existing.  I think he loves us all way to much to ever allow that to happen to anyone, even people who may want it now.  I think that the only reason anyone would ever want that is because they're afraid of things they don't understand, and I think that asking to stop existing should be the same as asking to change the past or bring someone back from the dead right now instead of before the final resurrection.  It's against God's will and he won't allow it to happen under any circumstances.

So, what I'm wondering is, is their significant scriptural support for my point of view?

If it is true that scripture supports the salvation of every human being then that is your scriptural support.

[DC]

Today I had a disturbing thought.  What would happen if, in heaven, someone asked God to put an end to their conscious existence, and then to create a new conscious existence that had all of their old memories, like some kind of time-travel duplicate?  This has been one of the hardest pieces of the puzzle for me to fit  in, but here it goes.

-The Bible makes it very very clear that death will be destroyed.  If you were to ask God of such a request, wouldn't it still be death from your end if something like that happened?  And wouldn't your duplicate still techincally be a seperate being from you even if it retained all of your memories?

-The only reason someone would want to do that would be if someone is in pain.  Since there will be no more pain in heaven, no one would want to do that.

-The Gospels of Matthew and Luke teach you to keep praying and you will receive what you ask as long as it is in line with God's will.  I have been praying that God NEVER allow this to happen under any circumstances, and I have strong faith that he will grant my request.  This isn't like the selfish prayers for material possessions that I've made in the past, this is a very deep prayer that concerns all of mankind, because ED has always been one of my deepest, darkest fears, and even though I know that I don't want it, I just feel safer knowing that it could never happen even to people who do want it, it's hard to explain.

And one very important question- are there any scriptures that suggest that there will still be natural law in heaven just like their is today?

[WhiteWings]

Today I had a disturbing thought.  What would happen if, in heaven, someone asked God to put an end to their conscious existence, and then to create a new conscious existence that had all of their old memories, like some kind of time-travel duplicate?  This has been one of the hardest pieces of the puzzle for me to fit  in, but here it goes.

Who is DC?
a] Mind?
b] Body?
c] Both?

Body and mind change a lot from birth to, say, 30 years old.
So what does the Bible say? Who is DC? a, b or c?

[DC]

Today I had a disturbing thought.  What would happen if, in heaven, someone asked God to put an end to their conscious existence, and then to create a new conscious existence that had all of their old memories, like some kind of time-travel duplicate?  This has been one of the hardest pieces of the puzzle for me to fit  in, but here it goes.

Who is DC?
a] Mind?
b] Body?
c] Both?

Body and mind change a lot from birth to, say, 30 years old.
So what does the Bible say? Who is DC? a, b or c?

Wait, are there bible quotes that say that my existence is both mind and body put together?  That might be the solution to this paradox...

And are there any quotes that say that a person's soul can't be duplicated?

[micah7:9]

Today I had a disturbing thought.  What would happen if, in heaven, someone asked God to put an end to their conscious existence, and then to create a new conscious existence that had all of their old memories, like some kind of time-travel duplicate?  This has been one of the hardest pieces of the puzzle for me to fit  in, but here it goes.

Who is DC?
a] Mind?
b] Body?
c] Both?

Body and mind change a lot from birth to, say, 30 years old.
So what does the Bible say? Who is DC? a, b or c?

Wait, are there bible quotes that say that my existence is both mind and body put together?  That might be the solution to this paradox...

And are there any quotes that say that a person's soul can't be duplicated?

A "person" is a soul. See. Gen.2:7 man does not "get a soul."