John Chapter 11:25

[Molly]

"Lo! there has come new!"

But "has come" is present tense.

Yes, because we have been translated.


12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

--Col 1



"hath translated" [us into the kingdom]

G3179
μεθίστημι, μεθιστάνω
methistēmi methistanō
meth-is'-tay-mee, -is-tan'-o
From G3326 and G2476; (second form used at 1Co_13:2) to transfer, that is, carry away, depose or (figuratively) exchange, seduce: - put out, remove, translate, turn away.




Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

--John 5:24

[Molly]

When your body fails, you have an eternal home waiting for you.


2 Cor 5:1


1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

[Beloved Servant]

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

[Beloved Servant]

John 5:24;
"Verily, verily, I am saying to you
that he who is hearing My word and believing Him Who sends Me,
has life eonian and is not coming into judging,
but has proceeded
out of death
into life.

[micah7:9]

Reading the Scriptures about the spirit, what I see is that the spirit in man is the spiriti of God, Paul said in Athen, in Him we move and live.
When a man dies the spirit return to God from where it comes.
As was said in another thread, we are not spirit only like Plato tought but a combination of God's spirit in a dust body animated by the animal life (soul).
Like the word love has many words in greek, I find the word life having at least 2 words in greek, bios and zoe. One is carnal/animal/beastly and the other is spiritual/divine.
That's all really new to me... :dontknow:

Very Good!

[micah7:9]

Nice.
Thanks, James.

Double that!

[thinktank]

Interesting, since the blood of Jesus cleanses our spirits, scripture in above posts somewhere, then what is a spirit that in not washed?

An unclean spirit  :mshock:

So unclean spirits could be the departed dead, who perish, because they are away from God, outside of his heavenly kingdom

12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

--Col 1

, and so exist as parasites, living off humanity, eating their dust  :mshock:

[jabcat]

Nice.
Thanks, James.

Double that!

:)

[Molly]

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

LOL!

Hmm it's interesting how they make that conditional, as if it might not happen that way. :mshock:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yes, isn't it.... :winkgrin:

[thinktank]

They expected the rapture/resurection to happen in their generation

[Beloved Servant]

1 John 3:3   
Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.

You see!
It is HOPE that purifies.

Not what we do but what we believe.

[Beloved Servant]

They expected the rapture/resurection to happen in their generation

Perhaps, it did!

John 8:52
At this the Jews exclaimed!

"Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death.




Mark 9:1
And He said to them,

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."


God does delight in keeping things hidden in plain sight.

[thinktank]

I always found that mark scripture interesting. The problem with your theory though is that apostle Paul latter on, argues that some are saying that the resurection has already passed and overthrow the faith of some.

If Paul is correct and he is talking about the same resurection then it means that the mark scripture could mean/imply something else.

But perhaps the resurection that Jesus talks about is diffferent to the one that Paul speaks of but it is challenging  :dontknow:

[Beloved Servant]

Theory?
Does Paul ever speak of anything else but JESUS?

[Beloved Servant]

I always found that mark scripture interesting. The problem with your theory though is that apostle Paul latter on, argues that some are saying that the resurection has already passed and overthrow the faith of some.

If Paul is correct and he is talking about the same resurection then it means that the mark scripture could mean/imply something else.

But perhaps the resurection that Jesus talks about is diffferent to the one that Paul speaks of but it is challenging  :dontknow:

Paul spoke the Word, Jesus, nothing more and nothing less.

[thinktank]

Theory?
Does Paul ever speak of anything else but JESUS?

So your saying I'm correct, that what Paul said is true? That the resurection as not passed yet, at the time he Paul spoke it?

[Beloved Servant]

They expected the rapture/resurection to happen in their generation

Perhaps, it did!

John 8:52
At this the Jews exclaimed!

"Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death.




Mark 9:1
And He said to them,

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."


God does delight in keeping things hidden in plain sight.

Read the above.
Perhaps, you missed the point.

[thinktank]

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

But were talking about the tabernacle, I think you missed the point I was making. I was refering to the resurection of the body or the tabernacle and that the early belivers were expecting to be raptured or resurected and thus not die, hence the "if our tabernacle dissolves" in Pauls statement, thus this resurection that Jesus spoke of could not have happened before Paul. But like I said there could be different meanings behind what Jesus meant

Mark 9:1
And He said to them,

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."
and what Paul meant.

Perhaps There was a resurection in Jesus day a small one just for a few people, but the main resurection for all believers, where the dead in christ rise from their graves, this is the resurection that Paul was refering to I think, when he said That some say the resurection has passed already.

I think the biggest problem when discussing the resurection is that people confuse the physical resurection with the spiritual resurection, the same problem that the sadduces and pharises had.

[Beloved Servant]

Theory?
Does Paul ever speak of anything else but JESUS?

So your saying I'm correct, that what Paul said is true? That the resurection as not passed yet, at the time he Paul spoke it?

You may Thinktank that the Word of God is theory,
but do not say that it is my theory.
They are His words.

[Beloved Servant]

If you do not believe the Word of God then God help you.

[thinktank]

Do not be offended beloved servant, I'm sure you think a lot of my beliefs and others are theory too, so why take offence on something that is inevitable in this world of veiling and unveiling. What else would you rather me call your interpretation? I am not going to call it anything other than theory, because I cannot call it truth unless I have revealtion on it and the words of Paul who said some say the resurection has already passed do make me wonder whether there was a rapture resurection in Jesus day.

I do not call the word theory, but the interpretation of it, and if you read my post you will notice that I did not come to any conclusive conclusions, regarding Mark 9:1

If you cannot handle that, that I am working things out, then that is your own affair.

But if I have caused offence to something you hold dear, whatever that may be  :dontknow: then may Jesus heal your heart and place a cage of armour around it for protection. Amen

[Beloved Servant]

I think nothing of you.
You are neither hot nor cold.

[thinktank]

No worries, glad your over the matter.

[Quaesitor]

It is my understanding that the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven is NOT the resurrection that God is announcing through Paul (2nd resurrection).
As I have said before, the Kingdom of God is the manifestation of God's power through Christ's body which started when the spirit descended on the disciples.