The first man/adam

[micah7:9]

Was the first man/adam, of the natural/soulish, or was the first man/adam a spirit/heavenly?

1Co 15:45  so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit,
1Co 15:46 but that which is spiritual is not first, but that which was natural, afterwards that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47  The first man is out of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord out of heaven;
1Co 15:48  as is the earthy, such are also the earthy; and as is the heavenly, such are also the heavenly;
1Co 15:49 and, according as we did bear the image of the earthy, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly.

For many years, and thats about 38  accepted and believed that man was first a spirit and "lowered."
I have read and studied the works of J.Preston Eby who teaches such, I no longer believe it so.

[Beloved Servant]

We were made in His image.
Does God have two arms, two legs and eat food everyday?

[micah7:9]

We were made in His image.
Does God have two arms, two legs and eat food everyday?

Joh 4:24  God is Spirit; and those who worship Him must bring Him true spiritual worship."

[Beloved Servant]

Huh???

umm...ok.

[micah7:9]

Huh???

umm...ok.

Now you are making sum cents.

[Beloved Servant]

Yea, you are not.

[micah7:9]

Yea, you are not.

Please reproof or correct with scripture and verse.

[Beloved Servant]

huh?
What are talking about, Micah?

[micah7:9]

huh?
What are talking about, Micah?

I guess I got caught up in your square circles.

[Beloved Servant]

Ok, I really have no idea where you're trying to lead this conversation.

[micah7:9]

Ok, I really have no idea where you're trying to lead this conversation.

I am at this time removing my post if it that is possible. I find that your post are contrary to the PM's we are having at the same time. It was your suggestion that I post the thread that I did, not mine. If this has become a knotted disussion, I remove myself.

[Beloved Servant]

Ummm, that p.m. discussion was about the soul.

And it was "private."

[micah7:9]

Ummm, that p.m. discussion was about the soul.

And it was "private."

OK, well this aint.

Was the first man/adam, of the natural/soulish, or was the first man/adam a spirit/heavenly?

1Co 15:45  so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit,
1Co 15:46 but that which is spiritual is not first, but that which was natural, afterwards that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47  The first man is out of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord out of heaven;
1Co 15:48  as is the earthy, such are also the earthy; and as is the heavenly, such are also the heavenly;
1Co 15:49 and, according as we did bear the image of the earthy, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly.

For many years, and thats about 38  accepted and believed that man was first a spirit and "lowered."
I have read and studied the works of J.Preston Eby who teaches such, I no longer believe it so.

[Beloved Servant]

We were made in His image.

Does God have two arms, two legs and eat food everyday?

[micah7:9]

We were made in His image.

Does God have two arms, two legs and eat food everyday?

This was my answer before and it remains the same Joh 4:24  God is Spirit; and those who worship Him must bring Him true spiritual worship."
But will you answer the question you posed? Please

[Beloved Servant]

We were made in His image.

That's my answer.

[thinktank]

You must be correct or half correct in the sense that man was lowered into the natural and became a living soul, but the life in Genesis before having a body was not considered a proper existence, not deemed as earthy or heavenly, because the man was made in Gods image, doesn't say in heaven, and neither was he created for the earth, until the time came when God needed a man to till the earthly ground and so created an earthly body for him. So The first man vessel was of the earth, but the second man was of the heavens, therefore in the resurection we will be given heavenly bodies, like our saviour.

So I think the scripture is refering to life in a body. The first body is earthy and the second body is heavenly.

I guess is difficult to understand what life must be like without a body, without a heavenly body or an earth one. I guess it just means that one cannot sense or have emotions such as crying, laughter feel pain or taste food etc .  So I think in Genesis we existed like Saul as some kind of ghost.
:2c:

[micah7:9]

"You must be correct or half correct in the sense that man was lowered into the natural and became a living soul," Thinktank  Where do you find witness of this?

Now give reason for Paul writing this.
1Co 15:44  it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;
1Co 15:45  so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit,
1Co 15:46  but that which is spiritual is not first, but that which was natural, afterwards that which is spiritual. 1Co 15:47 The first man is out of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord out of heaven;
1Co 15:48  as is the earthy, such are also the earthy; and as is the heavenly, such are also the heavenly;
1Co 15:49  and, according as we did bear the image of the earthy, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly.

FIRST preceding all others in a series; before ant other; 1st used as the original ONE

[Molly]

FIRST preceding all others in a series; before ant other; 1st used as the original ONE

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


I am the root and the offspring of David,


--Rev 22

[thinktank]

1Co 15:44  it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;


The seed sown is the Ghost man or spirit man whatever one likes to call it and is sown/breathed into a natural body. Eventually this natural body will turn into a spiritual heavenly body, like unto our saviour. Like a caterpillar that transforms into a beautifull butterfly.

After reading many scriptures it seems that most of humanity will remain caterpillars, but those in Christ will change into butterflies, suited to live in heaven. Perhaps over time Christ will change the rest of humanity into butterflies, but I'm not sure.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Here's the gist of it, IMO.......God breathes out (a spirit born into flesh), God breathes in (the spirit returns to the One who sent it). And because it is not good for man (spirit) to be alone, he is given a helpmeet (soul), who, after the forging in the fire comes into true union with the spirit, and the TWO now one, are raised = resurrection.

This pattern is shown in Christ and His body/helpmeet = He went to prepare a place for us, that where He is, we might be also. My  :2c: Blessings....

[Molly]

18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

--Gen 2

I will make


"him an help"

H5828
עזר
‛êzer
ay'-zer
From H5826; aid: - help.

H5826
עזר
‛âzar
aw-zar'
A primitive root; to surround, that is, protect or aid: - help, succour.


"meet for him"
H5048
נגד
neged
neh'-ghed
From H5046; a front, that is, part opposite; specifically a counterpart, or mate; usually (adverbially, especially with preposition) over against or before: - about, (over) against, X aloof, X far (off), X from, over, presence, X other side, sight, X to view.

H5046
נגד
nâgad
naw-gad'
A primitive root; properly to front, that is, stand boldly out opposite; by implication (causatively), to manifest; figuratively to announce (always by word of mouth to one present); specifically to expose, predict, explain, praise: - bewray, X certainly, certify, declare (-ing), denounce, expound, X fully, messenger, plainly, profess, rehearse, report, shew (forth), speak, X surely, tell, utter.



John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

[Molly]

35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

--1Cor 15


Revelation 13:8
...  the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[Ross]

For many years, and thats about 38  accepted and believed that man was first a spirit and "lowered."
I have read and studied the works of J.Preston Eby who teaches such, I no longer believe it so.

Amen!! :icon_king:

That is the most logical reason why we are here now. That is why we are currently in the flesh.I see this as being like learning a trade. I remember making a lot of mistakes while learning my job. From those mistakes I now know a bit more about what is eseful, and what is more of a hindrance than a help. I also see what not to do.
I see our life in the flesh as a process of learning the difference between good and evil at such a personal level that we will get to know the right way to do things. The mistakes we make are paid for by Christ IN FULL. ergo- stage one.

Then stage two - In the resurrection we will become a spiritual being like our Father and like the resurrected Christ. Hence Christ is the firstborn of the coming age. We Too will be sons of God because of what Christ did.

The Jews did not like Christ when he said he was the son of GOD because they see that as blasphemy.
All this backs up what is said in Colossians where we are told our kingdom is not of this earth.

[Molly]

an help meet for him

a surrounding [flesh? soul?] which protects or aids his manifestation.

What is surrounded by the help?  That which is sown?  A seed.  A chance of grain.

What is this seed?

Luke 8:11
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.