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Started by Truthseeker, November 25, 2010, 01:58:21 PM

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Truthseeker

Usually I come across this on discussion forums, but perhaps it could be discussed here, usually it's discussed from the opposite side of the spectrum, where most people classify themselves, as a 6 on this scale

1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung, 'I do not believe, I know.'
2. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. De facto theist. 'I cannot know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there.'
3. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. Technically agnostic but leaning towards theism. 'I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.'
4. Exactly 50 per cent. Completely impartial agnostic. 'God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.'
5. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. Technically agnostic but leaning towards atheism. 'I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical.'
6. Very low probability, but short of zero. De facto atheist. 'I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.'
7. Strong atheist. 'I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung "knows" there is one.'

As I've never personally had the revelation that many others have had, I would classify myself as a 2, and even a 3 on some days

The reason being that although I believe in a Creator, I'm not sure of the true nature of this Creator, every time I think I may be getting somewhere, I end up with more questions than when I started ?

The trouble is that different people are getting different "revelations", which don't corroborate one another, eg one person could get a revelation that UR is true, whereas someone else could get a revelation that it's false
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Paul Hazelwood

Quote from: Truthseeker on November 25, 2010, 01:58:21 PM
Usually I come across this on discussion forums, but perhaps it could be discussed here, usually it's discussed from the opposite side of the spectrum, where most people classify themselves, as a 6 on this scale

1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung, 'I do not believe, I know.'
2. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. De facto theist. 'I cannot know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there.'
3. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. Technically agnostic but leaning towards theism. 'I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.'
4. Exactly 50 per cent. Completely impartial agnostic. 'God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.'
5. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. Technically agnostic but leaning towards atheism. 'I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical.'
6. Very low probability, but short of zero. De facto atheist. 'I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.'
7. Strong atheist. 'I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung "knows" there is one.'

As I've never personally had the revelation that many others have had, I would classify myself as a 2, and even a 3 on some days

The reason being that although I believe in a Creator, I'm not sure of the true nature of this Creator, every time I think I may be getting somewhere, I end up with more questions than when I started ?

The trouble is that different people are getting different "revelations", which don't corroborate one another, eg one person could get a revelation that UR is true, whereas someone else could get a revelation that it's false


I am not sure where I fall.  I would say #1

I think these questions also can come with certain religious implications which likely are not intentional.

To elaborate I would say that I know God exists but also know that I can seek that God personally and religion has no hold on me about it whatsoever.

Paul Hazelwood

Quote from: Truthseeker on November 25, 2010, 01:58:21 PM


The trouble is that different people are getting different "revelations", which don't corroborate one another, eg one person could get a revelation that UR is true, whereas someone else could get a revelation that it's false


The trouble only really begins when people believe that what they believe should be believed by everyone.

I believe a certain way about God and I live my life based on that belief, have experienced positive milestones in my life because of how I believe.  Another person can say the same thing only they may see God differently.

The truth is, that when contained within our own walk, both of us have experienced positive milestones, so our opposite views are both true.


shawn

I guess it depends on the time in my life.  If I am being completely honest then I can't say it was always 100.  I have had my seasons of doubt.  I have gone through times where it was closer to 85-90%.  But, even in my darkest hours of doubt I was almost positive there is a God.  Right now it's 100...I know that I know.  But, to get there was a process for me.  God has revealed himself to me in a way that leaves no doubt.  I thank him for that.

micah7:9

#4
If I did not believe in God, there is nothing in the Bible, there is nothing in writing, there is nothing in the landscape of the earth and all its beauty that is worth discussing.
It is only by faith, (Faith established, to build up or support, firmness, persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction,to convince )
that I believe... I was touched by The Spirit, there can be no understanding by man to understand, for it is the drawing or dragging of the Father; It is far to great of an experience for man, who, in the capcacity of the natural, could possibly begin to reason, without the touch of the Holy Spirit.


NUMBER # ONE

MacPherson

I like #1; I don't believe, I know. It's like asking me if I believe I have a nose. But I guess the question then is, since I know, how well do I know? How much do I know? How much and how well do I know Him?