John indicates not all are written in the book of life?

[Peacetroll]

I cannot see how if by your scenario everyone is raised and will meet Jesus face to face the epitome of Unconditional love, will be able to hate him.  Nonetheless, let us stick with this scenario.

Please.

Did the pharisee's love him though they met him face to face.

There is your answer seeker.

John 8:40
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Nothing will change the next time for the Sons of Satan.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

[willieH]

I cannot see how if by your scenario everyone is raised and will meet Jesus face to face the epitome of Unconditional love, will be able to hate him.  Nonetheless, let us stick with this scenario.

Please.

Did the pharisee's love him though they met him face to face.

There is your answer seeker.

John 8:40
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Nothing will change the next time for the Sons of Satan.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

More shortsightedness brother... PAUL noted:

(Rom 11:25)  For I would not, brethren, that ye should BE IGNORANT of THIS MYSTERY... lest ye should be wise IN YOUR OWN CONCEITS, ...that BLINDNESS in PART, is happened to ISRAEL, ...UNTIL, the FULLNESS [ALL] the Gentiles COME IN...

So the COMPLETE compliment of GENTILES "come in"... then, PAUL notes:

(Rom 11:26)  And so ALL ISRAEL [including those that rejected Him, for ALL means ALL] ...shall, ...be, ...SAVED!

Paul is noting the moving of the PURPOSE of GOD... that HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE would be BLINDED, in order that the GENTILES be SAVED!

The Pharisees were BLINDED in order to FULFILL the CRUCIFIXTION of CHRIST, that the SACRIFICE for ALL would be ENABLED!

Keep searching brother Dusty... if you keep searching, you WILL find!  :handshake:

Peace...     :URWelcome:

In  JESUS...willieH    :scoutshonor:

[Michele]

They bow during the millinium, but they await their evil councilour.

They then come together against the City of the Saints (after the iron rod rule of Christ; when satan is loosed again), and try to kill Christ and his.  Then God burns them with Gehanna fire.  They are as the sands of the sea. (See Revelations, Isaiah and Jeremiaha).

Revelation 20
.6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Again Nahum also prophecied of the time spoke above by John...

Nahum 1

The LORD has His way
      In the whirlwind and in the storm,
      And the clouds are the dust of His feet.
       4 He rebukes the sea and makes it dry,
      And dries up all the rivers.
      Bashan and Carmel wither,
      And the flower of Lebanon wilts.
       5 The mountains quake before Him,
      The hills melt,
      And the earth heaves at His presence,
      Yes, the world and all who dwell in it.
       6 Who can stand before His indignation?
      And who can endure the fierceness of His anger?
      His fury is poured out like fire,
      And the rocks are thrown down by Him.
       7 The LORD is good,
      A stronghold in the day of trouble;
      And He knows those who trust in Him.
       8 But with an overflowing flood
      He will make an utter end of its place,
      And darkness will pursue His enemies.
       9 What do you conspire against the LORD?
      He will make an utter end of it.
      Affliction will not rise up a second time.
       10 For while tangled like thorns,
      And while drunken like drunkards,
      They shall be devoured like stubble fully dried.
       11 From you (The thorns or the wicked) comes forth one
      Who plots evil against the LORD,
      A wicked counselor.

The fire coming down from God out of heaven IS THE SECOND DEATH.  I don't think any of us want to risk being apart of those who come against the camp of the saints at the end of Christ's earthly rule (the 1000 years wether metaphoric time or not).

Peace in Christ; the only hope.

So in other words you don't believe it's possible........

I don't see much hope in what you teach PT.......if you actually believe what you're saying........ya gotta always wonder if you're bowing for the moment, but awaiting your evil councilour. :dontknow: :sigh:

[Peacetroll]

Seeker, Surely you  know that nobody can call Jesus Christ Lord and God (and mean it, which only God can judge), without the Spirit of the Most High Love.



I won't even bother replying.

It is evident to me you know not what the  true definition of a 'Man' is.  For precept is built on precept.  And if you don't understand the TRUE definition of 'MAN' you will always stumble as you can not hear therefore you can not understand.

Good-day.

P.S. And if I be wrong, prove it and give me your description   I'd be more then happy to take this to the one-on-one for finality.  Your definition VS the one given to me.

[FineLinen]

Jonathan Mitchell New Testament

"For this reason, God also lifts Him up above (highly exalts Him; elevates Him over) and by grace gives to Him (graces on Him) the Name -- the one over and above every name! --  to the end that within The Name: Jesus! (or: in the name of {or: belonging to} Jesus), EVERY KNEE --  of the men upon the heavens (of those belonging to the super-heavens) and of the men existing upon the earth and of the men dwelling down under the ground (or: pertaining to subterranean ones) -- may bend (should bow) in worship or prayer, and EVERY TONGUE may speak out the same thing (should openly agree, confess and acclaim) that Jesus Christ [is] Lord [= Yahweh?] -- into [the] glory of Father God (or: unto Father God's reputation)!"

P.T. says

All nations shall bow to him, but not of their own will.  Therefore it can be stated that all nations shall bow (during the millinium), but only because he forces them too with an IRON ROD!!!

And...

These who hate Christ shall also bow, but they do this only because he FORCES PEACE AND JUSTICE AGAINST THEIR WILL!!

Au contraire!

All beings in all dimensions of the heavens, the earth and the underworld ultimately bow before Him in worship.  The Greek states that this is in willing worship and praise and celebration and most assuredly not by rote or perfunctory genuflections, culminating in resounding glory to God. 

ejxomologevw =

To confess/ profess

To acknowledge openly and joyfully to one's honour.

To celebrate.

Robertson New Testament Word Pictures

That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ina en twi onomati Ihsou pan gonu kampshi).

First aorist active subjunctive of kamptw, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ina.

Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13.

Rev. 5:13 -Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament-

Every created thing (pan ktisma).

Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see 1 Timothy 4:4; James 1:18), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse 3, with on the sea epi thv talasshv added).

No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisiv) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off.

[Peacetroll]

Always Paul.

Try utilizing anything but Paul to support UR.

Difficult to do, and it should not be.

Always using the very apostle that the other apostles proclaimed as saying 'things hard to be understood['.

Ah well.  I'm beating my head against a wall.

[FineLinen]

Always Paul.

Try utilizing anything but Paul to support UR.

Would you like to hear the words of a few prophet's of the most high God concerning the restitution of all things starting, but not limited to, Isaiah? Nah  :thumbdown:

You have a small testament there matey, minus the thirteen epistles of the apostle St. Paul.  :dontknow:

[SeekerSA]

Seeker, Surely you  know that nobody can call Jesus Christ Lord and God (and mean it, which only God can judge), without the Spirit of the Most High Love.

And who gives us the ability to call Him Lord?

I won't even bother replying.

It is evident to me you know not what the  true definition of a 'Man' is.  For precept is built on precept.  And if you don't understand the TRUE definition of 'MAN' you will always stumble as you can not hear therefore you can not understand.

I haven't a cooking clue what you on about here

Good-day.

P.S. And if I be wrong, prove it and give me your description   I'd be more then happy to take this to the one-on-one for finality.  Your definition VS the one given to me.

I do not think this is necessary,  too many questions here you still need to refute.  Interesting now we are at a Mid Acts perspective.  We had a JWO debate on the last board.

What really confuses me is the theology you portray here is neither ET nor UR, like I said before, you are somewhere in between.  I seriously doubt anything you say here will convince anyone to stop believing in UR.

There is a global awakening to this truth, many are discovering it w/o any influence of UR input.  People question hell as it makes no sense to the Spirit of Love.  I have come across quite a few on the net and from all over the world.

Are you looking carnally at world events and trying to match them to end times?  It is obvious looking at your political posts.  I sense in you a profound despair.

I have been on my walk for 17 years now and ET ran out of revelation and truth for me 16 years ago, long before I even knew what UR was.

What makes people reject UR, it takes away their "speciality" in their minds.  God loves all and will save ALL.

You are running a gauntlet here and you weave between post after post, challenge after challenge and you have not come out with one rebuttal of substance.

Folk here have a deeper understanding and revelation of the Word than what you will find elsewhere.

Luk 5:36  And He also spoke a parable to them: No one puts a piece of a new garment on an old garment. Otherwise, both the new will tear, and the old does not match the piece from the new.
Luk 5:37  And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. Else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskin will perish.
Luk 5:38  But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved together.
Luk 5:39  Also no one having drunk old wine immediately desires new, for he says, The old is better.

Have some

(http://www.vivisjournal.com/vivis_wine_notes/bouncin_baby_blogs.jpg)

New wine

[pickr]

Always Paul.

Try utilizing anything but Paul to support UR.

Difficult to do, and it should not be.

Always using the very apostle that the other apostles proclaimed as saying 'things hard to be understood['.

Ah well.  I'm beating my head against a wall.

Hi again, Peacetroll,

I do love Paul, and precisely for the reason you imply here. He most certainly is the clearest and most forceful teacher in the Bible proclaiming Jesus as the triumphant savior of all men.

But he is not alone.

It is Peter who tells us that the salvation of all men is the very specific will of God.

It is John who tells us that Jesus is the popitiation for our (Christians) sins, but not for ours only but for the sins of the whole world. And it is John who tells us that God IS love, even if it is Paul who helps us (far better than anyone else) to understand what love is... ie., patience, kindness, generosity, selflessness, forgiveness, steadfastness, and PERMANENCE.

I am not a scholar like you or willie or Fine Linen (and if you all are not scholars, you certainly have studied long and hard), but I can still see the reality of Christ's conquering throughout the Bible. If one quotes Paul a lot in proving it, I cannot see how that is a bad thing. As Fine Linen points out, Paul wrote about 1/2 of the entire New Testament.

Peace and blessings to you,

Andy

[Reverend G]

This may all be well and true, but as many have indicated, it is not the end of the story.  Indeed, we are aware that all men are sinners, we all fall short of the glory of the Lord.  To that end, the book of life must be a very short book!!  I think (my opinion) is that we must look at that reality, as well as the concept of Jesus' sacrifice for ALL mankind. 
  Looking at this world today, we see that sinfulness is on the increase.  It knows no boundaries, not by race,creed, income, there are no boundaries.  Poor sin in different ways from rich, yet all sin.  Devout Christians sin differently from devout Muslims, yet we all sin.  Sin is universal, as the bible tells us.  Only one was truly free from sin.  Perhaps this is one of the many lessons we learn from genesis.  When we became knowledgable, we sought out our own glory, not the Lord's.  As knowledge increases, so too does our pride in humanity, not love of each other or God.  Is this not sinful of itself?  And yet God loves us, and gave his Son up for us. Not for the salvation of the few, God's love is Unconditional.  It defines the term!  So how can one claim righteousness and salvation for oneself, but not for others.  That of itself seems a very proud attitude, and pride is a deadly sin, no? 

[Craig]

This may all be well and true, but as many have indicated, it is not the end of the story.  Indeed, we are aware that all men are sinners, we all fall short of the glory of the Lord.  To that end, the book of life must be a very short book!!  I think (my opinion) is that we must look at that reality, as well as the concept of Jesus' sacrifice for ALL mankind.

Hello RG,
Already explained, that there is only one Name in the book of Life. Those who possesses this Name are granted access to the tree of life. Jesus said narrow is the gate that leads to life, few find it; wide is the gate that leads to destruction. Already explained, anyone part of the Body of Christ, belongs to the Head. Already explained those who Ambassadors possess this Name. Those are priests were given this Name. Those who are Children of God, bear this Name.

Scripture also says, if the world is reconciled to God through Jesus, then the message of Reconciliation is that the worlds sin is not taken into account. So all men being sinners and falling short of the Glory of God, is true; but doesn't matter in view of the Judgment Seat.

Looking at this world today, we see that sinfulness is on the increase.

Sinfulness is a remains constant. There is no more sinfulness in mankind today, then there was in the days of Jesus.

It knows no boundaries, not by race,creed, income, there are no boundaries.  Poor sin in different ways from rich, yet all sin.  Devout Christians sin differently from devout Muslims, yet we all sin.  Sin is universal, as the bible tells us.  Only one was truly free from sin.  Perhaps this is one of the many lessons we learn from genesis.  When we became knowledgable, we sought out our own glory, not the Lord's.

Proverbs and Psalms and Ecclesiastes does not have any negative that results from knowledge alone. The negative comes from when one begins to take pride in his knowledge and can't keep tight lips, because one who uses his knowledge to justify any wrong he commits, is in sin. Though one could have easily used his knowledge to recognize his own sin, and give it back to God. The knowledge of good and evil, is not evil; it is neutral.

As knowledge increases, so too does our pride in humanity, not love of each other or God.  Is this not sinful of itself?  And yet God loves us, and gave his Son up for us. Not for the salvation of the few, God's love is Unconditional.  It defines the term!  So how can one claim righteousness and salvation for oneself, but not for others.  That of itself seems a very proud attitude, and pride is a deadly sin, no? 

The church many years ago, sought to destroy all worldly knowledge and limited the reading of the Bible only to the head clergy. They came up with the same conclusion, but how well did that work out? The few in power became corrupt, created new rules and new regulations that were not found in Scripture; prevented the masses from being knowledgeable between what is good and what is evil, blurred the lines of morality for the sake of money and power.

The treatise against knowledge is faulty, it has never been knowledge which has been evil, it is man's disobedience which has resulted in sin and man's pride keeps him from admitting his error and continually blaming it on others. With knowledge comes responsibility, even a fool is seen as wise if he keeps his mouth  silent.

Craig

[Michele]

Hey Craig.......do you believe that the one name is Jesus Christ?

Do you believe that there is only room for ONE son?

[Taffy]

I CONCUR with what Craig  simply shared. The body being a part of the head..US in HIM ..HIM
iN US.. AS Ambassadors BEARING HIS NAME.

The Book of LIFE ""is"" Christ just as the TREE of LIFE.

Blessings

Taffy

[Taffy]

Hi SG
Do you believe that there is only room for ONE son?

the 42nd generation is in progress

Blessings
Taffy

[SeekerSA]

Hi SG

Look at it this way, Jesus is the Book of Life.  All who are in Christ are in the Book.

All will eventually be in the Book

Make sense?

Blessings

[Taffy]

SG

heres more on the 42nd generation..it really is worth Reading.

http://www.gem-international.org/kingdomlife/42nd_generation.htm

Blessings
Taffy

[Michele]

Thanks Taffy and Seeker......I'll be looking into that..... :icon_flower:

42nd generation......that's interesting.......

[Craig]

Hey Craig.......do you believe that the one name is Jesus Christ?

Do you believe that there is only room for ONE son?

Jesus took captives captive and when he was lifted up, he drew all men unto Himself. What the Father gave Him, nothing can take from His Hand. There is only One Name we are identified with because He became our propititation for our sin, and a ransom for all mankind, which will be testified in due time. As Paul states in Colossians, all things exist in, by and through Him. When God looks at us, He sees His Son, who died for us and rose again three days later. We were just talking about the Name written in the Lambs book of Life, is His Own and we are being conformed to that image!

The number of sons of God, will number the sands of the sea. Jesus gave us to God, and is not afraid to call us brothers.

[Michele]

Hey Craig.......do you believe that the one name is Jesus Christ?

Do you believe that there is only room for ONE son?

Jesus took captives captive and when he was lifted up, he drew all men unto Himself. What the Father gave Him, nothing can take from His Hand. There is only One Name we are identified with because He became our propititation for our sin, and a ransom for all mankind, which will be testified in due time. As Paul states in Colossians, all things exist in, by and through Him. We were just talking about the Name written in the Lambs book of Life, is His Own and we are being conformed to that image!

The number of sons of God, will number the sands of the sea. Jesus gave us to God, and is not afraid to call us brothers.

:cloud9:

[Reverend G]

It must be time for me to get off of this computer and go get some things accomplished. 
Just not doing well at including quotes in my replies and such, I'll get it, in time.  Anyways, when I was taken to task for saying knowledge causes sin, if you reread my post, you find that I said as knowledge increased, so did pride (a sin) which is exactly what I was being scolded for not saying? Is that not a connection between knowledge and sin?
And of course, saying sinfulness has not increased in this world is a very subjective statement.  All sin, so 100% sin, so no change.  However, with billions more people sinning, you do the math.
  In the end it doesn't matter, I doubt I will change anyones opinion, but of course, it doesn't matter!  Which makes me very happy. 

[Peacetroll]

What is a Man?

What is mankind?

Is the physical body what defines 'man'?

Is it the bones?  The blood?

Or is it something else?

I agree with all on the topic of Christ being The Book of Life.  Some very nice discussions going on here about that.  I enjoy.

[Craig]

And of course, saying sinfulness has not increased in this world is a very subjective statement.  All sin, so 100% sin, so no change.  However, with billions more people sinning, you do the math.

Thanks for the reply,

I will say simply. There is more people, but the increase of people does not increase the sinfulness of people. The ratio of sin to man, has not changed. There is no more sinfulness than there was before, because men has had to deal with each other from the very beginning. Whether it was 100 people dealing with 50 sinful people or a billion people dealing with half a billion sinful people (for simplicity sake) the ratio would still be 2:1.

In the end it doesn't matter, I doubt I will change anyones opinion, but of course, it doesn't matter!  Which makes me very happy. 

It is always easy to want to change the opinions other people and pass it off as their stubborness and pride if they don't change. But it is more difficult to admit when we are wrong and change our opinion because of our stubborness and pride.

What would make me happy, is when we start to mold our beliefs around what is true instead of molding the truth around what we believe.

if you reread my post, you find that I said as knowledge increased, so did pride (a sin) which is exactly what I was being scolded for not saying? Is that not a connection between knowledge and sin?

Knowlege has nothing to do with it. It was because of the pride of man, that he ate the tree of knowledge in the first place, or did we forget the reason they ate of the tree of knowledge was to be like God before they ever knew what knowledge was. Sin was in the garden far before the knowledge of it. Pride was in the garden before they knew what it was. Putting the blame on knowledge as the cause of sin, and to say that knowledge is the source of pride is completely and utterly wrong. It is like saying there is more crime in our city, because there is more people reporting it; but in reality, crime rates in cities have remained constant but now more people are aware of what crime is and reporting it. Reporting the crime, did not raise the crime; reporting the crime made people aware that there was crime! It is the classic if I do not see it, it is not happening scenario, or kill the messenger.

I am a sales man for an advertising company. I got four contracts that were late assignments and I decided to do an experiment to prove my point. For two of them, I apologized that we were late and that nobody would come down to deal with them in person concerning their advertising, but I am here to help them if they have any questions. For the other two, I just called them normally, although we were late and they would not get a person to visit, I did not make mention of our error. Want to know the results? The two in which I said I was sorry for our late call and that they would not get a personal visit from me, cancelled their advertising because we did wrong to them. The two which I did not make any mention of our error, renewed and one even increased their advertising for that year.

Knowledge of evil, nor knowledge of sin has ever made anyone more sinful or more evil than they have ever been. People just do not want to be conscious of the evil they are doing or recieving, so when the knowledge of evil arrives it makes them aware. Then they have two choices, either repent of the evil they are doing or kill the messenger and remain in sin because 'ignorance is bliss'. Recognize that evil exists even before the was knowledge of it. The constant error is to associate that the knowledge of evil is the cause of evil, or that the knowledge of evil results in more evil when in reality evil was always present and ever more increasing even before people were ever aware of it.

Here is the BIGGER PICTURE:

Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his,"and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." -2 Timothy 2:19

Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. So watch yourselves. If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him." -Luke 17:1-4

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. -Galatians 6:1

Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins. -James 5:20

You cannot turn away from wickedness with the knowledge of wickedness. You cannot rebuke a brother whom through whom sin comes to save him from death without knowledge of sin. You cannot restore a person caught in sin with the knowledge of evil.

Knowledge makes people responsible and accountable for their actions, and there is many people who do not want to face the evil they have done, nor accept the evil that is being done to them by others for the sake of their own emotional comfort, they would rather not know even if it means their own death because that still scares them.

Take care.

[willieH]

Hi SG

Look at it this way, Jesus is the Book of Life.  All who are in Christ are in the Book.

All will eventually be in the Book

Make sense?

Blessings

This is the basis of a new song my wife and I have written!  :bgdance:

Peace...     :URWelcome:

In  JESUS...willieH    :scoutshonor:

[Reverend G]

What can I say craig?
  I am truly sorry.  Though I make it quite clear that sin could or could not have increased, depending on how you measure it, you continue to abide that there is only one measuring system. 
  You take what I have said about knowledge, the pride humanity takes in its knowledge, and the sin that results, so first you repeat me almost verbatim once, after calling me wrong, and then you sidestep and again say the same thing. 
  I can accept that.  I am not out to convert peoples hearts and minds.  I already believe what I believe, and most people either agree with me, or believe in a doctrine that is more punishing than what I believe. Regardless, they believe.  So my affecting their opinion does nothing in the eternity of things, just makes everyone a bigger happier family here on earth.  I have nothing to lose from accepting or rejecting your opinion, but I choose to reject it.  But don't lose sleep over it, I know my salvation is safe.

[Craig]

What can I say craig?
  I am truly sorry.  Though I make it quite clear that sin could or could not have increased, depending on how you measure it, you continue to abide that there is only one measuring system. 
  You take what I have said about knowledge, the pride humanity takes in its knowledge, and the sin that results, so first you repeat me almost verbatim once, after calling me wrong, and then you sidestep and again say the same thing. 
  I can accept that.  I am not out to convert peoples hearts and minds.  I already believe what I believe, and most people either agree with me, or believe in a doctrine that is more punishing than what I believe. Regardless, they believe.  So my affecting their opinion does nothing in the eternity of things, just makes everyone a bigger happier family here on earth.  I have nothing to lose from accepting or rejecting your opinion, but I choose to reject it.  But don't lose sleep over it, I know my salvation is safe.

I understand your point when you say that pride humanity takes in its knowledge, sin results. This was not made clear in your previous posts, especially in the use of your examples and analogies. You had attributed knowledge as the source of sin and pride and so if that was my misunderstanding of your point, I apologize as well.

In my responses, I was demonstrating the flaw in your arguement which says men in greater numbers, results in greater sin. It is an illusion of numbers, and is not reality. And the flaw in believing knowledge increases sinfulness. Reported crime does not mean crime increased, it just means more people report it. Though Scripture does say, the Law was added to increase the trespass, and to what end but death and recognizing exactly how sinful sin actually is. So had you provided that, I would have been in agreement.

This is also not about you accepting or rejecting my opinion, this is a discussion in which we both contribute our opinions, and you do not need to agree to discuss an issue. You participated in the discussion, and so expect to be part of it. It just seems more pleasant when we all agree. Though, like knowledge is not the source of evil, neither is agreeing the source of truth. We must ensure our opinons are formed around truth not vise versa or else it is just another vain imagation man has placed before the truth in the Lord.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

This is not an issue of you being happy with yourself, I am glad you are. Nor does it have anything to do with your salvation, it was never in question. Please read what I wrote earlier in this thread, and realize those are not an issue. The issue has now has been to correctly handle the word of truth, and this truth is knowledge which will be testified in due time. So whether you accept it or not, is not my priority, my responsibility in our discussion is those who may be lurking and do not understand that though ignorance (lack of knowledge) is bliss, it also leads to destruction.

1 Peter 1:13-15
Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

Though I am not yet a perfect example of this epiphany of truth, I still will quote Paul who gives the example.

2 Timothy 2:23-26
Refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels. The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

If you wish to discuss this more, I am more than willing to continue this discussion if you decide to continue to discuss it. We can always agree to disagree and leave it at that.

God Bless,

Craig