John indicates not all are written in the book of life?

[Craig]

Want to be more specific, what it means to have you name written in the lambs book of life?


John 5:39
"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me."

Over time, I am discovering we really exaggerate the words of Jesus to mean something more than it means as a result we think the disciples are saying more than they are saying.

There is only one name in the Lambs book of Life.

[Redlettervoice]

Want to be more specific, what it means to have you name written in the lambs book of life?


John 5:39
"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me."

Over time, I am discovering we really exaggerate the words of Jesus to mean something more than it means as a result we think the disciples are saying more than they are saying.

There is only one name in the Lambs book of Life.

Craig.  ONLY ONE "nature"? ..........the "name" above all names!

He will be ALL in ALL!

Almost too much to comprehend, isn't it?

Someone sent me a photo today of the comparisons of the "earth" with the Sun and the Planets
in "size" and I could sure see why were are called a "grain of sand."

[SeekerSA]

Actually Red it is a lot simpler than that

Tree-of-Life -> Rock in the Desert -> Jesus - Book-of Life

Jesus is the Book-of-Life.

No other name but the name of Jesus (remember that chorus?)

Once people get this revelation then they will see, in Christ means our names are written in Jesus.  He has engraved us into the palms of His hands.

There is no eraser as Jesus did it ALL, it is finished.

So even when the "unsaved" bow their knee, they will enter "into Jesus"  Those that He finds in this lifetime enter in now.

The Kingdom "began" with Jesus and is available for ALL right now whom He chooses to reveal it to in this lifetime.

Blessings

[Craig]

An Ambassador, also has the Name of whom he represents. If you are an Ambassador of Jesus Christ, you also have His Name.

2 Corinthians 5:20
We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.

If you are an Ambassador of Christ, you also bear His Name.

Acts 9:15-16 But the Lord said to him (Ananias) "Go, for he (Paul) is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name's sake."

1 Peter 4:16
However, if you suffer as a Christian (Follower of Christ), do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

Not everyone bears His Name. Though it won't make sense to many because they grow afraid, only few enter the narrow gate that leads to life, many enter the wide gate that leads to destruction¹. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.² Therefore, those whose name is not in the Lambs Book of Life, is thrown into the Lake of Fire.³ There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.⁴

I tell you the truth, the vain imagines of people, imagining what the Lake of Fire is, and their fear that they are, or one of their loved ones will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, causes the truth to be fractured and twisted. If we fear, then we will not see the truth. If we are worried, then we do not understand what is happening.

Isaiah 66:13-18
As a mother comforts her son, so I will comfort you, and you will be comforted in Jerusalem.

You will see [from within the city], you will rejoice [within the city], and you will flourish like grass; then the LORD's power will be revealed to His servants [within the city], but He will show His wrath against His enemies. [outside the city]

Look, the LORD will come with fire [outside the city] — His chariots are like the whirlwind — to execute His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire [outside the city]. For the LORD will execute judgment on all flesh [outside the city] with His fiery sword, and many will be slain by the LORD [outside the city].

"Those who dedicate and purify themselves to enter the groves following their [evil] leader, eating meat from pigs, vermin, and rats, will perish together."

This is the LORD's declaration.

"Knowing their works and their thoughts, I have come to gather all nations and languages; they will come and see My glory.

If we read the above, and horrific images come to our mind, then we have still are comformed to the world, and have not renewed our minds to the acceptable, good and perfect will of God. What is mentioned in Isaiah 66, is the exact same thing that is mentioned in all the parables Jesus gave.

Luke 12:45-46
"But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

If we still cannot see it, how about this:

Matthew 25:14-28
"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'
"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'
"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'
"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

How about this?

Mark 3:35
"For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother."

Okay how about what John said?

1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world nor the things in the world if anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.

If the one who does the will of God lives forever, he will not be facing the Lake of Fire; because the Lake of Fire is Second Death.

So only the only names in the Lambs Book of Life is the only Name in the Lambs Book of Life and all those who bear His Name.

Revelation 2:17
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.

^{1 (Matthew 7:13)
2 (1 John 4:18)
3 (Revelation 20:15)
4 (2 Peter 2:1)}

[Michele]

So it is the New name that is written in the book of LIFE.  The old things pass away and the new is brought to fruition......... :HeartThrob:

[Peacetroll]

Sorry. 

I injected something I don't feel is good to inject this 5 minutes.

[Craig]

So it is the New name that is written in the book of LIFE.  The old things pass away and the new is brought to fruition......... :HeartThrob:

Pretty much, all that is left is the details.

The only one who overcomes, is the one who trusts in the Name of Jesus. To him, he is given a new name and that is the Name of Jesus because there is only one Name that can enter.

1 John 3:23
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

Now pay attention.

Isaiah 50:10-11    
Who is among you who [reverently] fears the Lord, who obeys the voice of His Servant, yet who walks in darkness and deep trouble and has no shining splendor [in his heart]? Let him rely on, trust in, and be confident in the name of the Lord, and let him lean upon and be supported by his God. Behold, all you [enemies of your own selves] who attempt to kindle your own fires [and work out your own plans of salvation], who surround and gird yourselves with momentary sparks, darts, and firebrands that you set aflame!--walk by the light of your self-made fire and of the sparks that you have kindled [for yourself, if you will]! But this shall you have from My hand: you shall lie down in grief and in torment.

This is really simple. The Lake of Fire is man-made, it is the doctrines and religion that tries to find any other way to salvation but Jesus Christ! It is the same judgment given at Gehenna to apostate Israel. They will find themselves throwing each other into the valley of fire. So only those who are part of it, will be cast into it.

On the hand. Those who trust in the Name of the Lord, are overcomers and never part of it, they enter the city and have not their part in the Lake of Fire, nor does it have power over them. Once inside, those who have walked by the Light of the Lord, take the leaves of the tree of Life and head back outside to heal those who lie down in grief and in torment outside in the Lake of Fire, and bring them salvation and healing.

Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[Craig]

And what is that 'new' name? 


MAN

That is a reasonable impossiblity, because with MAN it is impossible but with GOD all things are possible.

[Peacetroll]

The Lake of Fire is man-made

??

Lake of fire represents total destruction.

Also Craig, Man means many things throughout scripture.

Just like many words have multiple meanings.

Let us examine the statement that God's true name is MAN.

Here we go....

John 12:34
The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

So we know Jesus is the 'Son of Man'.

Now who is Jesus also called?

The Son of God.

God = MAN.

John 12:23
And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

John 6:62
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

John 17:26
And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Jesus the Son of God = Jesus the Son of MAN.

Therefore God's true name is MAN

[Craig]

Lake of fire represents total destruction.

We agree.

[Craig]

The name is not Man because he is the son of man, nor is the name God because He is the Son of God; The Name is Jesus, who is the son of man and the Son of God.

[Taffy]

So it is the New name that is written in the book of LIFE.  The old things pass away and the new is brought to fruition......... :HeartThrob:

:icon_flower:



2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 


2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Blessings
TLF

[Craig]

So it is the New name that is written in the book of LIFE.  The old things pass away and the new is brought to fruition......... :HeartThrob:

:icon_flower:



2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 


2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Blessings
TLF

Amen. :D

[Michele]

 :thumbsup:

Thanks for the scriptures Taffy.....I had some of those in mind too

especially that last one........ :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

Yo SG :icon_flower:

for sure ya knew girl.. :icon_flower:

more for the benefit of those who MAY be lurking :icon_flower:

Blessings
Taffy

[willieH]

willieH: Hi PT... :hithere:

Willie.

You must be in Christ to be alive.

IN Christ.

Hmmm... 

1 Corinthians 15:22 ...SAYS... AS ...IN... ADAM ...ALL...die 

which means that ALL humans DIE because we are found, ...IN... Adam...  but the verse doesn't STOP there... there is another ...IN... to be noted!  It goes ON to SAY:

Even so, ...IN... CHRIST shall ...ALL... be made ALIVE...

This follows the previous context which speaks of ADAM (the first man) being a living soul, the lists CHRIST as a QUICKENING SPIRIT... that ADAM was "earthy", but CHRIST was the Lord from HEAVEN, ...that FIRST comes NATURAL, then the SPIRITUAL... and notes that those who have borne the image of EARTHY, shall ALSO bear the image of the HEAVENLY...

Your agenda to disprove UR is NOT going to take a foothold here Dusty... and changing your name to Peacetroll has not made your previous attempt any more successful than this one...

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 12:5
So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Romans 16:7
Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

You see Paul himself KNEW that he was not IN CHRIST prior to believing IN CHRIST.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


I don't know how to make that much clearer.

And to be in Christ you must believe IN HIM.

Ah well.

Ah well?  Does that mean you are giving up this endeavor to convince us of your EXCLUSIVE Salvation "GOSPEL"?  :dontknow:

Did YOU put YOURSELF ...IN CHRIST ...PT? Or was it HIS doing?

To be IN CHRIST, ...is GOD's accomplishment, and NOT MAN's...

The problem with your deduction that BELIEF is necessary to be SAVED, is that YOU think that YOUR ABILITY to BELIEVE, originated IN YOU... which means that in essence, YOU are YOUR OWN ...SAVIOR...

It is CHRIST that provides ALL ASPECTS of SALVATION to the recipients of it!  FAITH which enables us to BELIEVE, ...is DEALT by GOD, ...not gained or decided by MEN (Rom 12:3)

If MAN's work (obedience) or decision (accepting Christ :rolleye: ) is PIVOTOL in his Salvation, then GOD is no longer producing EVERY ASPECT and is DEPENDING upon US to gain SALVATION by those WORKS and DECISIONS...

This is plainly and completely the case brother... you are just either unwilling to see it, or you have not been given the eyes and ears to see it...

Peace...   :boogie:

In  JESUS...willieH   :drummer:

[Craig]

All will be made alive in Christ. Does not mean all are presently alive in Christ. Salvation comes in the resurrection of the dead; which for some has not yet occurred.

[Michele]

Yo SG :icon_flower:

for sure ya knew girl.. :icon_flower:

more for the benefit of those who MAY be lurking :icon_flower:

Blessings
Taffy

:mblush: :grin:

[Michele]

All will be made alive in Christ. Does not mean all are presently alive in Christ. Salvation comes in the resurrection of the dead; which for some has not yet occurred.

Yeah.......I can see that Craig, but it's tricky......because from our view many are still asleep, but perhaps from the realm of the Father all are alive in Him (isn't God omnipresent?) and have always been. :HeartThrob:

[FineLinen]

Lake of fire represents total destruction.

The most powerful word for destruction in the New Covenant is olethros and I can guarantee you that salvation is fully embraced in the final outworking of it! If you think the Lake of Theos Pur is total destruction, perhaps our God who is consuming pur is also total destruction. :thumbsup:

[Craig]

Lake of fire represents total destruction.

The most powerful word for destruction in the New Covenant is olethros and I can guarantee you that salvation is fully embraced in the final outworking of it! If you think the Lake of Theos Pur is total destruction, perhaps our God who is consuming pur is also total destruction. :thumbsup:

Just a small note. It is not the Limme Theos Pur, it is the Limme Pur.

Reveation 20:15
"And whoever was not found written in the lambs book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Kai ei tis heurisko ou grapho en biblos zoe ballo eis limme pur.

The word 'Theos' in not found that statement.

[Michele]

Craig......are you saying that God is not found in that Fire......that destruction?

[Peacetroll]

Ah well?  Does that mean you are giving up this endeavor to convince us of your EXCLUSIVE Salvation "GOSPEL"?  

Willie.

I'm not trying to convince anyone who will not listen.

You must be IN Christ.

You must be BORN AGAIN (The spirit).

Believe as you are led.  As for me, I will follow Christ' teachings over all others.

Peacetroll.  

P.S. As for your 'exclusive' claim.  Here is my reply:

Job 34:13-15
Who hath given him a charge over the earth? or who hath disposed the whole world?

If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


Who are you to Judge God's work?

[Michele]

Ah well?  Does that mean you are giving up this endeavor to convince us of your EXCLUSIVE Salvation "GOSPEL"?  

Willie.

I'm not trying to convince anyone who will not listen.

You must be IN Christ.

You must be BORN AGAIN (The spirit).

Believe as you are led.  As for me, I will follow Christ' teachings over all others.

Peacetroll.  

Hey Peacetroll.......do you believe that all will be born again...if not already......surely at some point the the big picture.....some season of Life?

[Peacetroll]

I believe Jesus Christ.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.