Muslims taking over your town lately?

[micah7:9]

I dont know, I used to reason like you, but I really began to take my citizenship in the higher realm of heaven serious. You say "freedom is my birthright, as is a Christian country" is not being born again (regenerated) Christ in you the hope of glory a great freedom? and as for a christian country, it is spoke of much of America and very much this year as this leadership and authority today would seems to want to take that word(christian/God) out of what America stands for; America is a special nation, as an American I love her, I am a veteran for her, America was founded on God/Providence, but  was not founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Christ in you the hope of glory.
For me, running the race and fighting the principalities of spiritual warefare, have nothing at all to do with what is going on today in this country. My God is on His Throne and what is happening today, in what is said to be a christian country is ALL in His plan and purpose. I pray it is HIS will be done, and as for me, in my prayers I quit trying to "steer" God into my will some time ago. If it is a Muslim take over of my town, then He, God the Father desires it to be so. Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Quaesitor]

I dont know, I used to reason like you, but I really began to take my citizenship in the higher realm of heaven serious. You say "freedom is my birthright, as is a Christian country" is not being born again (regenerated) Christ in you the hope of glory a great freedom? and as for a christian country, it is spoke of much of America and very much this year as this leadership and authority today would seems to want to take that word(christian/God) out of what America stands for; America is a special nation, as an American I love her, I am a veteran for her, America was founded on God/Providence, but  was not founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Christ in you the hope of glory.
For me, running the race and fighting the principalities of spiritual warefare, have nothing at all to do with what is going on today in this country. My God is on His Throne and what is happening today, in what is said to be a christian country is ALL in His plan and purpose. I pray it is HIS will be done, and as for me, in my prayers I quit trying to "steer" God into my will some time ago. If it is a Muslim take over of my town, then He, God the Father desires it to be so. Peace and Love Through Jesus

This is exactly my view.

[Molly]

...is not being born again (regenerated) Christ in you the hope of glory a great freedom?

Yes, of course, but I was born into freedom, my babyhood rocked in the cradle of liberty, and then, when reborn, I saw clearly where that freedom came from.  It comes from him.   I know now more than ever what our Founders understood when they framed this country.  I do not believe it is God's will that I allow my freedom to be stolen from me because I am aware of his opinion of Esau who sold his birthright for a bowl of pottage.  He said he hated Esau.  My birthright is not for sale. And, I am not above asking for what I want in prayer.  I am very specific lol.  I learned that from King David.

I want this country to be restored, not changed.

This is a  website where there is a great collection of the [Christian] writings and biographies of our Founders.  You might be surprised how influenced they were by the gospel of Jesus Christ.

www.wallbuilders.org


16 But I will sing of your strength,
      in the morning I will sing of your love;
      for you are my fortress,
      my refuge in times of trouble.

17 O my Strength, I sing praise to you;
      you, O God, are my fortress, my loving God.

--Psalm 59

[Nathan]

Great post bro.  I agree with you.  As much as it would be a great thing if it were possible . . .truth, spiritually speaking, can not be legislated through government programs.  I'm more of a "let the dead bury the dead" kind a guy when it comes to politics.  I vote, I have my opinions, but I find that if I spend my energy pushing my political agendas, it distracts and simply wears me out from focusing on the depths of His truths in my life and others.  

The one thing about the gospel in Acts, it didn't "explode" across the nations until the persecution ignited it.  Perhaps that's God's intent here with us.  If I pray against what I consider to be shady politicians, who's to say that I'm not praying against the Father's purpose for this country?  And I'm glad that I see things this way because I really hate politics.  that and relgion, I hate that to.

[Molly]

And I'm glad that I see things this way because I really hate politics.

How could you help but hate politics if you've left it to hateful people and criminals?

You wouldn't do that with your own backyard.  You wouldn't leave your babies with someone you hardly know and go away and ignore them for ten years.  What would you expect to find when you came back?  You wouldn't do that with a business you owned.

Why would you do that with your country?

When all the good people turn their backs, who do they expect will take over the helm?  A boyscout trying to get his next merit badge?

Jesus has left us in charge.


14For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

15And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

--Matt 25

[micah7:9]

Amen!

Molly, I have been reading the Founding Fathers and find myself in a fix. I want and do root for those beginning days and years of what those men had a desire to have in a new nation. But their thinking was God and a freedom out from the bondage of religion and its controling power. There foresite was not Jesus Christ and Him crucifed, their foundation was not the Gospel. There reasoning was a nation of freedoms, liberties, and the pursuit of happiness as earthy/ natural men. Far different in my thoughts of the Kingdom of God within me.
I have a great desire to keep my eye on Him, but I am weak, I am human and I love this country America, still
Jos 3:4  only, a distance is between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure; ye do not come near unto it, so that ye know the way in which ye go, for ye have not passed over in the way heretofore.'

[Molly]

Jos 3:4  only, a distance is between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure; ye do not come near unto it, so that ye know the way in which ye go, for ye have not passed over in the way heretofore.'

Yes, that's an admonition to the people.  But, I believe our Founders were the priests, led by God himself.

Or how else did they come up with that document that Bush calls 'a piece of paper,' that Obama calls 'a charter,' but that has been the scourge and bane of tyrants for some 225 years?

And, if they were the priests, so should we be.

[Nathan]

Molly, if I spent my time pursuing Christ, preaching what I pursue and not worry about the mechanics of the political system, I "think" that as the truth spreads across the nation not of political positions, but truth of the freedom of Christ, once the nation becomes transformed, the political thing will take care of itself.  It's like anything else with God . . .you can't expect people to change on the outside if there's no transformation on the inside.

Trying to fight political battles now is really not all that effective.  Sorry, it's just not.  We've had Christian presidents and we've had not-so-Christian presidents and it's really not made that much of a difference in the nation as a whole.  Now if you get the church transformed, then I guarrantee you that you'll see the political system follow suit. 

[micah7:9]

I agree. I, myself do not believe that the Gospel has any relationship with politics, the Founding Fathers were good men who believed in The Creator. I doubt that the Gospel was involved, but the OT was invloved.

[thinktank]

Amen!

Molly, I have been reading the Founding Fathers and find myself in a fix. I want and do root for those beginning days and years of what those men had a desire to have in a new nation. But their thinking was God and a freedom out from the bondage of religion and its controling power. There foresite was not Jesus Christ and Him crucifed, their foundation was not the Gospel. There reasoning was a nation of freedoms, liberties, and the pursuit of happiness as earthy/ natural men. Far different in my thoughts of the Kingdom of God within me.
I have a great desire to keep my eye on Him, but I am weak, I am human and I love this country America, still
Jos 3:4  only, a distance is between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure; ye do not come near unto it, so that ye know the way in which ye go, for ye have not passed over in the way heretofore.'

What would a Christ centered kingdom country look like? I think the nearest example is Israel and as much as I like that country, some things I would not enjoy, such as the various customs, required.
But it would be great if Christians had their own country imagine the faith and the miracles that would take place, nobody would be hungry, people would love one another and live in peace, courts would not exist and God would protect us from warring nations.

[thinktank]

Great post bro.  I agree with you.  As much as it would be a great thing if it were possible . . .truth, spiritually speaking, can not be legislated through government programs.  I'm more of a "let the dead bury the dead" kind a guy when it comes to politics.  I vote, I have my opinions, but I find that if I spend my energy pushing my political agendas, it distracts and simply wears me out from focusing on the depths of His truths in my life and others.  

The one thing about the gospel in Acts, it didn't "explode" across the nations until the persecution ignited it.  Perhaps that's God's intent here with us.  If I pray against what I consider to be shady politicians, who's to say that I'm not praying against the Father's purpose for this country?  And I'm glad that I see things this way because I really hate politics.  that and relgion, I hate that to.

If I pray against what I consider to be evil, I allways try and add, according to they will, father let it be done. That means that it's up to the father to execute the prayer according to his perfect will.

[Nathan]

Amen!

Molly, I have been reading the Founding Fathers and find myself in a fix. I want and do root for those beginning days and years of what those men had a desire to have in a new nation. But their thinking was God and a freedom out from the bondage of religion and its controling power. There foresite was not Jesus Christ and Him crucifed, their foundation was not the Gospel. There reasoning was a nation of freedoms, liberties, and the pursuit of happiness as earthy/ natural men. Far different in my thoughts of the Kingdom of God within me.
I have a great desire to keep my eye on Him, but I am weak, I am human and I love this country America, still
Jos 3:4  only, a distance is between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure; ye do not come near unto it, so that ye know the way in which ye go, for ye have not passed over in the way heretofore.'

What would a Christ centered kingdom country look like? I think the nearest example is Israel and as much as I like that country, some things I would not enjoy, such as the various customs, required.
But it would be great if Christians had their own country imagine the faith and the miracles that would take place, nobody would be hungry, people would love one another and live in peace, courts would not exist and God would protect us from warring nations.

Boggles the mind.  But wow, what a thought!!! 
Hard enough to imagine a nation being kingdom-oriented on every level, but how about the entire world?  That's going to be some experience when the Father reveals himself to every man and every knee responds.

Now "that's" the kind of politics I'd be interested in!!

[micah7:9]

As far as how I believe and understand the Word, that nation has been here since Jesus accepted the Will of the Father and went to the cross. Man has just used what means of his reason to desire a more superfical and carnal nation that lines up with what the Bible says and not what the Bible teaches. God is Spirit. God is Love.

Joh 4:23  but, there cometh an hour, and it now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also doth seek such to worship him;
Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.'
Joh 6:63  the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life;
I believe man has not come to that place, man is still blind and cannot see, and does not here what the Spirit is saying to the called out.
It is just my 2 cents.  Peace and Love Trhough Jesus

[Nathan]

Men can come to that place, but not if the man in them is leading the way.  This is not something my flesh and blood reasoning can articulate of it's own accord.  We see what we see not because we studied really hard and have read many commentaries and translations.  We see what we see because the Father has revealed it and his Grace has allowed it to be seen in us.

[IceDash]

Hi Tony,

Let me clarify what I want you to answer more specifically.

Discrimination is not always bad depending upon the means and circumstance in which it is excersized, in this case it is a convenient word to avoid stating directly the greater implication of what you want.  

I sometimes assume the poster is from America and that is not always the case.  

If you are an American Tony..... Answer this question.

Do you want to form a squad to go out and assassinate all the muslims in this country?

I am a U.S. citizen. American is too broad a term. And American can live in Canada, United States, Central America or South America.

No, forming a squad to assassinate all the muslims would put us on the same murderous plane that they are on. Instead we should deport them before they murder us.
Last time I was in England in 2000 the Muslims were taking over that country with a birthrate of about 9 children to the British woman's one child. In France they are looting and torching if they don't get their way. In Morocco they blow up trains etc. In Africa they have been murdering hundreds of thousands to get their way. They have one goal: Make the Islamic religion the world wide religion.
By the way, those over a million murdered Armenians were Christians.

BTW SoTw, Christians in the middle ages were not just going out and murdering people. They were being overrun by Islamic Turks etc. and we were having to take our land back that they raped and pillaged.

tony....I don't believed muslims took over the planes and smash the towers.

it the inside jobs and it always have been.

[Nathan]

Some choose not to believe what happened to the Jews in Germany either, it's all in the perspective of the individual.

[thinktank]

Maybe it was an inside job, but do these people work for the unites states government? unlikely.

These orginizations are linked together and all have their reasons, but there's no reason for the unites states to attack it's own people, it might benefit a few frauds and secret agents within but not the whole.
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