Fear Vs Horror

[Lefein]

hmmm... don't be in such a hurry to pat yourself on the back.  :laughing7:   you almost answered the question...

What about the Apostle Paul, lefein?  -- Rom 7:15 -- Did he "hate" things he wasn't even aware that he DID?   :Whistle:

I'm not patting myself on the back, I can't, it was ordained by God for me to say what I said, nothing else, I had no say in the matter, it was 100% God.  :dontknow:

Doesn't matter anyway about the Apostle Paul, because what I said is a matter of fact; The Holy Spirit convicts, and brings to remembrance the things we don't know about.

There is no such thing as "God the Spirit"... GOD is SPIRIT...

It is not up to you to decide the respect and credit that  >>I GIVE<<  unto YHVH

God ordained for me to say it, it wasn't me who said "God the Spirit" God did, it was 100% God through me who said God the Spirit.  So I'm not wrong, what I said is completely, perfectly 100% infallible, because what God says through me, by ordaining me to say it, is 100% perfect, because God said it, and he is infallible, and perfect.

I hold YHVH in the HIGHEST esteem... and RESPECT...  :bowing: YHVH

...willieH  :cloud9:

No you don't.  You take his name and will in vain constantly.  I was ordained to say that by the way, and if you have a problem with it  take it up with the perfect God, not me, because it wasn't me who said it, it was God, and only God, and 100% God, I had no say in the matter, I just posted what he told me to post, being ordained to post it.  And so it is God saying you don't take him in high esteem, not me.

[Beloved Servant]

Fear and Horror

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Lefein...  :winkgrin:

I am not so sure that you and I should engage in conversation directly... but since you quoted my post, I believe I have the right to reply to it...  :dontknow:

Btw... are you getting a headache by conversing with me?  Or maybe you are getting used to me, ...but if not, ...isn't that self destructive, and contradictory behavior?  :dontknow:

EVERYTHING that you and I do and say in this thread, was DECLARED to be manifest... by GOD, ...looooooong before we "did and said" any of these things... and YES... I am very content.  :boogie:

Lets apply this shall we? :D  Here goes!  *quotes and posts*

Okay, ...but remember... you put the pot on the stove...  :laughing7:

But acknowledge with RESPECT at all times... the work of the LORD (not "lard")  :thumbdown:

God made Paul put Lard, not Lord, so don't argue with God.

What makes you think I am arguing with God?  I am following the pathway that He designated I walk... how about you?  Or are YOU your own creator?  :laughing7:

God did not MAKE Paul do anything... PAUL did as was DECLARED he would DO... as did I... That DISRESPECT is DECLARED to be prevalent in this world toward YHVH and Paul noted said disrespect, does not mean it should not be OPPOSED... and whenever it IS OPPOSED, ...that OPPOSITION has also been DECLARED...  :grin:

It was ordained that way.  But then again it was ordained for you to argue with God, and so God made you argue with God who made Paul put lard instead or lord.

cute...  :laughing7:  But still stumbling over the same ROCK...  :laughing7:

I do not argue with GOD... I do as He has already DECLARED that I do... I observe myself as a PART in the display of the Revelation of the WORD of YHVH which contains the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL... In that Revelation, Paul will DISRESPECT God in his post (evil), and I shall OPPOSE that DISRESPECT (good)... both of which are originated and find SOURCE in the DECLARATION of both Paul and myself.

FYI... I have NO agenda to change you or your beliefs in any way.  And yet, reserve the right to oppose those beliefs as it is ORDAINED that I do...  :dontknow:

Of course not, because God made Paul oppose your beliefs which God made you have, and ordained you to have.

Just a redundant proposition already covered.  I am ORDAINED to OPPOSE Paul (as well as you), in this thread... as well, You are ORDAINED (as well as Paul) to OPPOSE me.

In essence, God ordained Paul to believe A, and ordained you to believe B, and ordained you to argue over A, and B, and made you believe, and do all of these things entirely against your say so in any of the matter.  So basically...its all God's fault that you and he believe differently, and so basically, Paul is correct, and absolutely right, because God can't lie, and God made him do it.

Both GOOD and EVIL exist in the proposition of the KNOWLEDGE of GOD...  Which contains all NEGATIVE and POSITIVE aspects that can possibly be conveyed...

GOD does not LIE, but is the creator of ALL PRINCIPALITIES one of which is the FALSE witness...  In conveying TRUTH which is emergent from HIM... False Witness is by default the other side of the KNOWLEDGE... For it is NOTED in the WORD to be existent... and ALL THINGS which exist, are MADE by Him -- John 1:3 -- Col 1:16 --  :Sparkletooth:

Paul is 100% correct in everything he believes, and does, and so are you, because God did it, made you guys do it, and ordained you to do do it, even if your beliefs are incompatible and thus you two are arguing over it...albeit against your will being ordained to argue, God having made you do it.

The biggest hurdle which impedes you, is yourself.  Needing multiple repetitions of the same premise, yet refusing to hear them every time, and because you do not hear, you repeat...  :sigh:

God did not MAKE Paul and I do anything... He DECLARED that we would DO what we DO... for His WORD, which is utilized in that DECLARATION, is TRUTH... and that IN the DECLARATION of things which were NOT YET DONE -- Isiaiah 46:10 -- was Paul's disrespect, and my opposition of that disrespect.  The members of the BODY do not make the CALL as to the "doings" of the BODY, ...the HEAD decides... Which it DID, and so the members being SERVANTS of the HEAD, ...respond accordingly... You do it everyday, don't you?  Are your fingers DECIDING your replies to me, Lefein?   :laugh:

You are more than welcome to your vision of surrounding reality lefein, and far be it from me to wish to change it. 

GOD is creator of ALL THINGS, ...and in making "UP" exist, it was necessary and within HIS WISDOM that DOWN exist as well, to point this truth out to us.  :laughing7:  For without DOWN, there is no "UP"... The very same principle works in the case of YOU versus ME...  :laughing7:

Nothing is EVIL of itself... it is the esteeming done within the hearts which are CONCLUDED in UNBELIEF which is the foundation of WICKEDNESS that manifest it.

You are welcome believe any imagination your mind can produce, it is fine with me.  :thumbsup:  But as those imaginations appear on this board (and God has made me aware of them), they will be OPPOSED if they are not in line with the WORD.  That does not mean I shall follow you around for it is not about YOU.

He's not "welcome" to "believe any imagination" his mind can produce, because God doesn't give him any say so!

In each proposition you are doing nothing but repeating yourself... It surprises me that you cannot recognize this stuttering of your mind.

Because the Arms do not decide that which they do, does not mean that they do not exist, nor does it mean they have no purpose, nor does it not mean that that DO not "DO" anything...

They are subject to the agenda of the HEAD which purposes the members of the BODY to cooperate in the service of ALL to ALL...

That PAUL produces imaginations is declared to be so... and his mind which was created by GOD, still operates irregardless of PAUL (or you for that matter) acknowledging the actual SOURCE of his doings -- Rom 9:16-20 -- Prov 21:1 -- That the KING's Heart is shapen of GOD, does not mean that the KING does not exist, nor that the KING does not decide to DO things, it means that the WILL of the KING is following the directives of the DECLARATION of GOD in His doings, whether they appear as GOOD or EVIL... and/or whether they appear as emergent from the finite KING or the eternal GOD within the observation of finites.

ALL power finds its source in YHVH -- Rom 13:1 -- and ALL THINGS made (including decisions for decisions are "made") ...are MADE by the Creator -- John 1:3

The whole project in this world is the teaching given to the BODY, to ELIMINATE SELF...  for SELF is that which is centered upon SELF (evil), and therefore disengaged from being centered upon GOD (good).

God ordained it all, and made him believe it.  Just like you.  They aren't opposed to God's will at all!  And so his beliefs are 100% true - because God ordained them to be so.  God can't lie, not in action, word, or deed, and anything done by his will is not an untruth, or lie.

God does not MAKE us DO anything.  We DO as He has already DECLARED we shall DO, because HIS DECLARATION is the TRUTH.

That PAUL (or you for that matter) believes a given fallacy, does not make it TRUTH, for TRUTH which is GOD, invented the premise of what FALLACY is... when He DECLARED His WORD as TRUTH.  In DECLARING the existence of FALSE WITNESS, the "false witness" does not become TRUTH, ...the TRUTH declares it for what it IS.

We are players in the REVELATION of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, which is NOT our knowledge, but is being shared with us, the Children of the MOST HIGH...

GOD does not LIE in the creation and manifestation of EVIL... He DECLARES it as a matter of HIS KNOWLEDGE and that conveyance is done via HIS WORD...  That GOD exists in TRUTH is only established by the existence of LIES, for without the existence of LIES, the TRUTH is meaningless, and stands alone without definition.

If LIES did not exist, then how could anything be called TRUTH?  For whatever words that existed would be unopposed and undefined concerning validity or invalidity.

If LIES did not exist, then I could say "UP is DOWN" or "DARK is LIGHT" or "SMOOTH is ROUGH", none of said statements could be opposed as invalid.  But because TRUTH and LIES both exist... "Up is NOT DOWN", "Dark is NOT LIGHT" and "Smooth is NOT ROUGH"...  :dontknow:

It is not my work that I do, it is His as He has DECLARED all that I shall do and say...  as well, He shall make me aware of the places and threads in which He decides I shall be a participant. :nod:  Without regard to your presence or absence.

But it has everything to do with his presence and absence, because Paul is perfectly right!  You'd better be ordained to listen to what God has ordained to happen through Paul, because according to you, what Paul is saying is ordained of the Lord to be done, and hence is the Word of God being made manifest!

Whatever... this is just more repetition of the same junk... Keep your mind set on uselessness and uselessness is what shall be your result.

....Kinda puts an awkward spin on things...doesn't it?

You are what is the "awkward spin", brother...  :laughing7:

Then again, I've been ordained to post this whole post, and it is the word of God, 100% correct, and unarguable, and perfect, and if you argue against it, it is only because God has ordained for you to argue against it, and so in essence the word of God is arguing with the word of God, or more accurately; The Ordinance of God is arguing against The Ordinance of God...an ordinance being something that has been "ordained"...

That is your vision... blinded by itself...  simply the ORDAINING of UP versus DOWN -- both ORDAINED in order to define BOTH...

But wait!...

If anything of God is arguing against anything of God, especially if the Ordinance of God is arguing against the Ordinance of God...Then that means that God is a divided mind and a divided house!

Of course it does not.  It means that you have decided that YOU need a measure of INDEPENDENCE and CONTROL which is exclusive of Him in order to BE who and what you ARE... So you end up defining yourself, by yourself, instead of defining who and what you are by GOD and His preexistence of you.

That can't be right...Because that is completely impossible.

What is impossible is you, brother!   :mlaugh:  And so impossibilities often emerge from you... via YOUR own WORDS...

But the WORD of TRUTH says, ...NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE with God, lefein... or didn't you KNOW that?

Including the "impossible" maze that your mind continually wanders in, confounding yourself...  :laughing7:

...willieH  :happygrin:

[Beloved Servant]

willieH: Hi Lefein...  :winkgrin:

I am not so sure that you and I should engage in conversation directly... but since you quoted my post, I believe I have the right to reply to it...  :dontknow:

Btw... are you getting a headache by conversing with me?  Or maybe you are getting used to me, ...but if not, ...isn't that self destructive, and contradictory behavior?  :dontknow:

EVERYTHING that you and I do and say in this thread, was DECLARED to be manifest... by GOD, ...looooooong before we "did and said" any of these things... and YES... I am very content.  :boogie:

Lets apply this shall we? :D  Here goes!  *quotes and posts*

Okay, ...but remember... you put the pot on the stove...  :laughing7:

But acknowledge with RESPECT at all times... the work of the LORD (not "lard")  :thumbdown:

God made Paul put Lard, not Lord, so don't argue with God.

What makes you think I am arguing with God?  I am following the pathway that He designated I walk... how about you?  Or are YOU your own creator?  :laughing7:

God did not MAKE Paul do anything... PAUL did as was DECLARED he would DO... as did I... That DISRESPECT is DECLARED to be prevalent in this world toward YHVH and Paul noted said disrespect, does not mean it should not be OPPOSED... and whenever it IS OPPOSED, ...that OPPOSITION has also been DECLARED...  :grin:

It was ordained that way.  But then again it was ordained for you to argue with God, and so God made you argue with God who made Paul put lard instead or lord.

cute...  :laughing7:  But still stumbling over the same ROCK...  :laughing7:

I do not argue with GOD... I do as He has already DECLARED that I do... I observe myself as a PART in the display of the Revelation of the WORD of YHVH which contains the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL... In that Revelation, Paul will DISRESPECT God in his post (evil), and I shall OPPOSE that DISRESPECT (good)... both of which are originated and find SOURCE in the DECLARATION of both Paul and myself.

FYI... I have NO agenda to change you or your beliefs in any way.  And yet, reserve the right to oppose those beliefs as it is ORDAINED that I do...  :dontknow:

Of course not, because God made Paul oppose your beliefs which God made you have, and ordained you to have.

Just a redundant proposition already covered.  I am ORDAINED to OPPOSE Paul (as well as you), in this thread... as well, You are ORDAINED (as well as Paul) to OPPOSE me.

In essence, God ordained Paul to believe A, and ordained you to believe B, and ordained you to argue over A, and B, and made you believe, and do all of these things entirely against your say so in any of the matter.  So basically...its all God's fault that you and he believe differently, and so basically, Paul is correct, and absolutely right, because God can't lie, and God made him do it.

Both GOOD and EVIL exist in the proposition of the KNOWLEDGE of GOD...  Which contains all NEGATIVE and POSITIVE aspects that can possibly be conveyed...

GOD does not LIE, but is the creator of ALL PRINCIPALITIES one of which is the FALSE witness...  In conveying TRUTH which is emergent from HIM... False Witness is by default the other side of the KNOWLEDGE... For it is NOTED in the WORD to be existent... and ALL THINGS which exist, are MADE by Him -- John 1:3 -- Col 1:16 --  :Sparkletooth:

Paul is 100% correct in everything he believes, and does, and so are you, because God did it, made you guys do it, and ordained you to do do it, even if your beliefs are incompatible and thus you two are arguing over it...albeit against your will being ordained to argue, God having made you do it.

The biggest hurdle which impedes you, is yourself.  Needing multiple repetitions of the same premise, yet refusing to hear them every time, and because you do not hear, you repeat...  :sigh:

God did not MAKE Paul and I do anything... He DECLARED that we would DO what we DO... for His WORD, which is utilized in that DECLARATION, is TRUTH... and that IN the DECLARATION of things which were NOT YET DONE -- Isiaiah 46:10 -- was Paul's disrespect, and my opposition of that disrespect.  The members of the BODY do not make the CALL as to the "doings" of the BODY, ...the HEAD decides... Which it DID, and so the members being SERVANTS of the HEAD, ...respond accordingly... You do it everyday, don't you?  Are your fingers DECIDING your replies to me, Lefein?   :laugh:

You are more than welcome to your vision of surrounding reality lefein, and far be it from me to wish to change it. 

GOD is creator of ALL THINGS, ...and in making "UP" exist, it was necessary and within HIS WISDOM that DOWN exist as well, to point this truth out to us.  :laughing7:  For without DOWN, there is no "UP"... The very same principle works in the case of YOU versus ME...  :laughing7:

Nothing is EVIL of itself... it is the esteeming done within the hearts which are CONCLUDED in UNBELIEF which is the foundation of WICKEDNESS that manifest it.

You are welcome believe any imagination your mind can produce, it is fine with me.  :thumbsup:  But as those imaginations appear on this board (and God has made me aware of them), they will be OPPOSED if they are not in line with the WORD.  That does not mean I shall follow you around for it is not about YOU.

He's not "welcome" to "believe any imagination" his mind can produce, because God doesn't give him any say so!

In each proposition you are doing nothing but repeating yourself... It surprises me that you cannot recognize this stuttering of your mind.

Because the Arms do not decide that which they do, does not mean that they do not exist, nor does it mean they have no purpose, nor does it not mean that that DO not "DO" anything...

They are subject to the agenda of the HEAD which purposes the members of the BODY to cooperate in the service of ALL to ALL...

That PAUL produces imaginations is declared to be so... and his mind which was created by GOD, still operates irregardless of PAUL (or you for that matter) acknowledging the actual SOURCE of his doings -- Rom 9:16-20 -- Prov 21:1 -- That the KING's Heart is shapen of GOD, does not mean that the KING does not exist, nor that the KING does not decide to DO things, it means that the WILL of the KING is following the directives of the DECLARATION of GOD in His doings, whether they appear as GOOD or EVIL... and/or whether they appear as emergent from the finite KING or the eternal GOD within the observation of finites.

ALL power finds its source in YHVH -- Rom 13:1 -- and ALL THINGS made (including decisions for decisions are "made") ...are MADE by the Creator -- John 1:3

The whole project in this world is the teaching given to the BODY, to ELIMINATE SELF...  for SELF is that which is centered upon SELF (evil), and therefore disengaged from being centered upon GOD (good).

God ordained it all, and made him believe it.  Just like you.  They aren't opposed to God's will at all!  And so his beliefs are 100% true - because God ordained them to be so.  God can't lie, not in action, word, or deed, and anything done by his will is not an untruth, or lie.

God does not MAKE us DO anything.  We DO as He has already DECLARED we shall DO, because HIS DECLARATION is the TRUTH.

That PAUL (or you for that matter) believes a given fallacy, does not make it TRUTH, for TRUTH which is GOD, invented the premise of what FALLACY is... when He DECLARED His WORD as TRUTH.  In DECLARING the existence of FALSE WITNESS, the "false witness" does not become TRUTH, ...the TRUTH declares it for what it IS.

We are players in the REVELATION of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, which is NOT our knowledge, but is being shared with us, the Children of the MOST HIGH...

GOD does not LIE in the creation and manifestation of EVIL... He DECLARES it as a matter of HIS KNOWLEDGE and that conveyance is done via HIS WORD...  That GOD exists in TRUTH is only established by the existence of LIES, for without the existence of LIES, the TRUTH is meaningless, and stands alone without definition.

If LIES did not exist, then how could anything be called TRUTH?  For whatever words that existed would be unopposed and undefined concerning validity or invalidity.

If LIES did not exist, then I could say "UP is DOWN" or "DARK is LIGHT" or "SMOOTH is ROUGH", none of said statements could be opposed as invalid.  But because TRUTH and LIES both exist... "Up is NOT DOWN", "Dark is NOT LIGHT" and "Smooth is NOT ROUGH"...  :dontknow:

It is not my work that I do, it is His as He has DECLARED all that I shall do and say...  as well, He shall make me aware of the places and threads in which He decides I shall be a participant. :nod:  Without regard to your presence or absence.

But it has everything to do with his presence and absence, because Paul is perfectly right!  You'd better be ordained to listen to what God has ordained to happen through Paul, because according to you, what Paul is saying is ordained of the Lord to be done, and hence is the Word of God being made manifest!

Whatever... this is just more repetition of the same junk... Keep your mind set on uselessness and uselessness is what shall be your result.

....Kinda puts an awkward spin on things...doesn't it?

You are what is the "awkward spin", brother...  :laughing7:

Then again, I've been ordained to post this whole post, and it is the word of God, 100% correct, and unarguable, and perfect, and if you argue against it, it is only because God has ordained for you to argue against it, and so in essence the word of God is arguing with the word of God, or more accurately; The Ordinance of God is arguing against The Ordinance of God...an ordinance being something that has been "ordained"...

That is your vision... blinded by itself...  simply the ORDAINING of UP versus DOWN -- both ORDAINED in order to define BOTH...

But wait!...

If anything of God is arguing against anything of God, especially if the Ordinance of God is arguing against the Ordinance of God...Then that means that God is a divided mind and a divided house!

Of course it does not.  It means that you have decided that YOU need a measure of INDEPENDENCE and CONTROL which is exclusive of Him in order to BE who and what you ARE... So you end up defining yourself, by yourself, instead of defining who and what you are by GOD and His preexistence of you.

That can't be right...Because that is completely impossible.

What is impossible is you, brother!   :mlaugh:  And so impossibilities often emerge from you... via YOUR own WORDS...

But the WORD of TRUTH says, ...NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE with God, lefein... or didn't you KNOW that?

Including the "impossible" maze that your mind continually wanders in, confounding yourself...  :laughing7:

...willieH  :happygrin:

What a bunch of hookey gobeldygook.   You are just a jerk who uses Gods name to defend it.

A bunch of what?

[thinktank]

nonsense

[Paul Hazelwood]

A bunch of what?

Yeah, exactly.

[willieH]

willieH: Hello PH...  :sigh:

This is a pretty condescending post, and though I am answering it, I will report it to the mods...

Actually you manifest one of the worst kinds of spiritual evil, you pretend that all you do and all you say is not you Willieh but  it is the work of the lard, that you only are decreeing what God intended for you to say.

FIRST --- I quote the Scriptures which support my thinking, more often than not, ...you do not.  Here is one of many verses which speak of my thinking:

Prov 20:24 --- MAN's [Paul Hazelwood] ...GOINGS... are OF YHVH... How can a MAN [Paul Hazelwood] then UNDERSTAND, ...his OWN WAY?

SECOND --- You say accusingly (for which I forgive you  :friendstu:) ...that I am "manifesting one of the worst kinds of spiritual evil"... Who are YOU to judge me?  I am sincere in what I believe and have provided SCRIPTURAL foundation for those beliefs...

THIRD --- Maybe you are your own source...  but I am NOT emergent of myself... I am emergent of YHVH, FOREKNOWN of Him completely and to the detail, ...and therefore acknowledge that HE is my source, and the POWER which made me who, what, where, and when, ...I am. 

If I walk in righteousness it has been ORDAINED by HIM, that I do so -- Eph 2:10 -- which by default means the same is found in OPPOSITE connotation... If I do NOT walk in righteousness, it is ORDAINED that I do not (for I am disincluded in the ORDAINATION of those who walk in it)...  You are welcome to esteem yourself in  what ever way you might... This is where I am at... and it is not up to you to JUDGE my position... that is left to the one WORTHY to JUDGE... which "ONE" ...YOU are not.  :thumbdown:

You make a conclusion about me and whether I shall learn or not and then cast aside your own responsibilities for what you say and say that it is merely God who has caused you to say that and therefore it is good.

No conclusion is made of YOU by me... I apologize if that is the way you (and it appears you have) taken it.

But having conversed with you several times in the past, as welll as in this thread, ...it has been rare when our viewpoints coincided... And so I stated that which I stated, hoping there might be others that would gain from the words I offered, but as always, leaving them to GOD to decide to use or not use them... concerning anyone.

You shall not learn of me and my words, Paul... I did not say you shall not learn at all...

I grew up in that spiritual prison, being told as a youngster that since a man declaring his spiritual fruits as ordained by God then I must listen and agree and believe what he says.

I have not attempted to force feed you anything... No demands have come forth from me that YOU believe what I say... :rolleye:  Nor have I declared my words as "spiritual fruits"... those are terms emerging from YOU, not me.

You overestimate my concern over your beliefs or your course. 

If anything, I offer words in this thread in hopes to help others... you lash out often when opposition is made of your beliefs... putting me in a "spiritual prison", as if YOU are the designated authority.  Give me a break, Warden Hazelwood.

What evil that was and nothing has changed, just because you come in the cloak of All men saved does not mean you will not reap the fruits of your destructive nonsense.

Now you resort to further name calling.  First designating me as manifesting the "worst kind of spiritual evil"...  then putting me in "spiritual prison"... now you name what I believe as, "destructive nonsense"...

How belittling of yourself to do these things Paul... We are discussing.  And if we are true believers, we shall LOVE one another, as we discuss... not name call until the other is beaten down enough to retreat!

You are welcome to your beliefs and I do not condemn you for them...

You are no different,  you are a sore and I reject YOU and what YOU say and the darkness that is shadowing your filth.

I will be reporting this UNACCEPTABLE commentary, to the moderators... You are become out of control as I see it... and these words are not appropriate for one to say to the other... Forgiving you for saying it... even though you likely shall not apologize for it...

...willieH  :cloud9:

[willieH]

nonsense

I shall consider the source of this useless remark...

...willieH  :cloud9:

[Lefein]

I am not so sure that you and I should engage in conversation directly... but since you quoted my post, I believe I have the right to reply to it...  :dontknow:

Only if God makes you.

Btw... are you getting a headache by conversing with me?  Or maybe you are getting used to me, ...but if not, ...isn't that self destructive, and contradictory behavior?  :dontknow:

I guess I'm not ordained to get a headache by reading the posts that God has made you post at this current ordained moment.

Okay, ...but remember... you put the pot on the stove...  :laughing7:

Nope, God did it.

What makes you think I am arguing with God?  I am following the pathway that He designated I walk... how about you?  Or are YOU your own creator?  :laughing7:

Nope, God just made me post what I posted.  And God made you post what you posted.  However what God made me post, contradicts what God made you post, so God is in tantamount arguing with himself, and contradicting himself.  I guess God is just a divided fallible supreme being according to the application of your "God ordains it and it is done, no ifs, ands, or buts, and no say on our part" theology. :dontknow:

God did not MAKE Paul do anything... PAUL did as was DECLARED he would DO... as did I... That DISRESPECT is DECLARED to be prevalent in this world toward YHVH and Paul noted said disrespect, does not mean it should not be OPPOSED... and whenever it IS OPPOSED, ...that OPPOSITION has also been DECLARED...  :grin:

Yes he did, if God ordained it to be done, and nothing is outside of God's will, and he predestines every single moment, action, and event, then God made him do it.  Don't get mad at Paul for saying lard, get mad at God, God made him do it...well that is if you can get mad at God anyway, I guess God will have to make you get mad at him, having predestined it to happen or not.

cute...  :laughing7:  But still stumbling over the same ROCK...  :laughing7:

If I am stumbling, it isn't my fault, its all God's fault.  Stop talking to me about it, take it up with God.

I do not argue with GOD... I do as He has already DECLARED that I do... I observe myself as a PART in the display of the Revelation of the WORD of YHVH which contains the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL... In that Revelation, Paul will DISRESPECT God in his post (evil), and I shall OPPOSE that DISRESPECT (good)... both of which are originated and find SOURCE in the DECLARATION of both Paul and myself.

So in essence, everything I said is correct.  Stop being a teeter-totter WillieH.

Just a redundant proposition already covered.  I am ORDAINED to OPPOSE Paul (as well as you), in this thread... as well, You are ORDAINED (as well as Paul) to OPPOSE me.

Yep, God according to WillieH's (your) theology is nothing more than a self-contradicting, self-divided, self-dividing, fallible, unstable, divided minded, manipulative, authoritarian "supreme being".

Confirmation by your own statement?  Check.

Both GOOD and EVIL exist in the proposition of the KNOWLEDGE of GOD...  Which contains all NEGATIVE and POSITIVE aspects that can possibly be conveyed...

Divided house, your version of god is a fallible failure.  I pity you.

GOD does not LIE, but is the creator of ALL PRINCIPALITIES one of which is the FALSE witness...  In conveying TRUTH which is emergent from HIM... False Witness is by default the other side of the KNOWLEDGE... For it is NOTED in the WORD to be existent... and ALL THINGS which exist, are MADE by Him -- John 1:3 -- Col 1:16 --  :Sparkletooth:

Your god contradicts himself by his own deed of ordaining two incompatible views to fight - these ordinances coming straight from him; which are in essence his declarations, and declarations are words, and words that are contradictory are false.

Your god is a blatant liar.

The biggest hurdle which impedes you, is yourself.  Needing multiple repetitions of the same premise, yet refusing to hear them every time, and because you do not hear, you repeat...  :sigh:

I can't help it if your god makes me repeat myself.  Take it up with your god, he ordained me to repeat myself.  I can't help it that your god made me refuse to hear, its your god's fault, not mine, I am blameless, I am perfectly innocent of every single thing I do, I have no will, or say in the matter, its your god's fault!

I have no hurdle, because I'm not the one resisting anything, it is your god who is doing it.  How can I be a hurdle to myself, if it is god who is making me do it?

God did not MAKE Paul and I do anything... He DECLARED that we would DO what we DO... for His WORD, which is utilized in that DECLARATION, is TRUTH... and that IN the DECLARATION of things which were NOT YET DONE -- Isiaiah 46:10 -- was Paul's disrespect, and my opposition of that disrespect.

So your god declared that A would happen, and A happened without any ifs, ands, or buts, or hope of any other direction being taken, because your god said so!  Oh my...manipulation via declaration, predestination, and contradictory ordinances...Then again who am I to talk, I'm just a puppet, predestined by the declaration and purpose of your god to type this statement which contradicts yours which he ordained and made you type.

The members of the BODY do not make the CALL as to the "doings" of the BODY, ...the HEAD decides...

Simplified: We don't have any say or will in the matter.  We just do what the divine computer program say's we'll do, a program designed by your god.  I'm just a puppet piece of code in the divine application.

Which it DID, and so the members being SERVANTS of the HEAD, ...respond accordingly... You do it everyday, don't you?  Are your fingers DECIDING your replies to me, Lefein?   :laugh:

Nope, your god is.

You are more than welcome to your vision of surrounding reality lefein, and far be it from me to wish to change it.

I can't help what your god makes me think, or believe.  None of it is what I Lefein believe, it is what your god believes for me.  I'm just a lowly puppet doing my preordained dance in the divine program he coded. 

GOD is creator of ALL THINGS, ...and in making "UP" exist, it was necessary and within HIS WISDOM that DOWN exist as well, to point this truth out to us.  :laughing7:  For without DOWN, there is no "UP"... The very same principle works in the case of YOU versus ME...  :laughing7:

Your god has ordained that you make no sense what so ever.

Nothing is EVIL of itself... it is the esteeming done within the hearts which are CONCLUDED in UNBELIEF which is the foundation of WICKEDNESS that manifest it.

Your god is wicked, false, evil, a liar, self-contradictory, self-dividing, and a vicious bastard.  Your god made me to say that by the way.

(However, my God and Father, Yahweh, is a beautiful loving, sinless, perfect, and glorious king.  I am absolutely certain that my God is better than your god.)

In each proposition you are doing nothing but repeating yourself... It surprises me that you cannot recognize this stuttering of your mind.

I'm not doing it, your god is.  I'm not stuttering, your god is making me stutter, it is he through me who is stuttering.

Because the Arms do not decide that which they do, does not mean that they do not exist, nor does it mean they have no purpose, nor does it not mean that that DO not "DO" anything...

It isn't the arm's fault that the brain makes it do stuff.  Its all god's fault, he keeps telling you through me that it is.

They are subject to the agenda of the HEAD which purposes the members of the BODY to cooperate in the service of ALL to ALL...

So by me being subject to the agenda of your god, and since nothing I do is outside of your god's will, and since everything is going as he predestined them to go, and ordained them to be, I'm just following the program he wrote - and so I am not at fault for anything I do, say, or think, because it isn't really me who is doing anything, but it is purely your god making me do it all.

That PAUL produces imaginations is declared to be so... and his mind which was created by GOD, still operates irregardless of PAUL (or you for that matter) acknowledging the actual SOURCE of his doings -- Rom 9:16-20 -- Prov 21:1 -- That the KING's Heart is shapen of GOD, does not mean that the KING does not exist, nor that the KING does not decide to DO things, it means that the WILL of the KING is following the directives of the DECLARATION of GOD in His doings, whether they appear as GOOD or EVIL... and/or whether they appear as emergent from the finite KING or the eternal GOD within the observation of finites.

ALL power finds its source in YHVH -- Rom 13:1 -- and ALL THINGS made (including decisions for decisions are "made") ...are MADE by the Creator -- John 1:3

The whole project in this world is the teaching given to the BODY, to ELIMINATE SELF...  for SELF is that which is centered upon SELF (evil), and therefore disengaged from being centered upon GOD (good).

God ordained it all, and made him believe it.  Just like you.  They aren't opposed to God's will at all!  And so his beliefs are 100% true - because God ordained them to be so.  God can't lie, not in action, word, or deed, and anything done by his will is not an untruth, or lie.

God does not MAKE us DO anything.  We DO as He has already DECLARED we shall DO, because HIS DECLARATION is the TRUTH.

That PAUL (or you for that matter) believes a given fallacy, does not make it TRUTH, for TRUTH which is GOD, invented the premise of what FALLACY is... when He DECLARED His WORD as TRUTH.  In DECLARING the existence of FALSE WITNESS, the "false witness" does not become TRUTH, ...the TRUTH declares it for what it IS.

Again, your god is a liar, and he made me say he is.

We are players in the REVELATION of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, which is NOT our knowledge, but is being shared with us, the Children of the MOST HIGH...

I'm not your god's kid, I'm his toy, and so are you.  I have no mind of my own, no will of my own, and neither do you, we're just following the script that he wrote for us to do, and not only that, he's acting through us to follow said script, because we are subject to him, like fingers that can't move on their own will, they can only move on impulse from the brain - and so your god is being self contradictory by setting up two opposing ordinances as "truth".

GOD does not LIE in the creation and manifestation of EVIL... He DECLARES it as a matter of HIS KNOWLEDGE and that conveyance is done via HIS WORD...  That GOD exists in TRUTH is only established by the existence of LIES, for without the existence of LIES, the TRUTH is meaningless, and stands alone without definition.

God, Yahweh does not lie, but your god whom you try to name as Yahweh is nothing but a lie.

If LIES did not exist, then how could anything be called TRUTH?  For whatever words that existed would be unopposed and undefined concerning validity or invalidity.

Truth is what IS, Truth is Reality, lies are nothing more than distortions, or absences of reality.  A rock can exist without the need for there to be some sort of "anti-rock".  Don't be a dualist, that is heresy.

If LIES did not exist, then I could say "UP is DOWN" or "DARK is LIGHT" or "SMOOTH is ROUGH", none of said statements could be opposed as invalid.  But because TRUTH and LIES both exist... "Up is NOT DOWN", "Dark is NOT LIGHT" and "Smooth is NOT ROUGH"...  :dontknow:

Because Lies are not the opposite of Truth, lies are the absence or distortions of Truth!  Up is not the absence or distortion of Down, Down is just an abstract direction that goes towards gravity, rather than away from it.

Whatever... this is just more repetition of the same junk... Keep your mind set on uselessness and uselessness is what shall be your result.

Alas, that your god ordained for it to be useless then, and made me repeat myself needlessly.

You are what is the "awkward spin", brother...  :laughing7:

We don't have the same god, my God is Yahweh, who is Truth.  I am not your brother.

That is your vision... blinded by itself...  simply the ORDAINING of UP versus DOWN -- both ORDAINED in order to define BOTH...

Not my vision, only the ordained programming that your god has forced upon me.

Of course it does not.  It means that you have decided that YOU need a measure of INDEPENDENCE and CONTROL which is exclusive of Him in order to BE who and what you ARE... So you end up defining yourself, by yourself, instead of defining who and what you are by GOD and His preexistence of you.

I am but a code in the machine...I am but a code in the machine...I am but a code in the machine...*zombified*

What is impossible is you, brother!   :mlaugh:  And so impossibilities often emerge from you... via YOUR own WORDS...

Only because your god made them come out.  Blame him, not me.  He is at fault for everything that has ever happened.

But the WORD of TRUTH says, ...NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE with God, lefein... or didn't you KNOW that?

Thankfully the True God Yahweh doesn't take that as a license for mindless stupidity.

Including the "impossible" maze that your mind continually wanders in, confounding yourself...  :laughing7:

So says your god through you, having ordained you to say that sentence against your will, and mine.

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Your theology is horrendously flawed!  I hope this whole charade has given you a glimpse at that by now...And by the way, you're hardly as crafty with insults, and hiding them as you think.  I see through your thinly veiled, devilish facade, and I tell you this...Your days of pulling these stunts are numbered, and you will be chastised by the True God Yahweh for your consistent, and constant insolence towards Him, and his people!

And especially for your constant, and consistent taking of his name in vain, and the taking of his character, will, and essence in vain as well.

Thus I declare it in jesus' name to be done, and in his name I pray for it - Amen.

I ask Father that you would back this by your authority, will, power, and name, and see it done. Amen.

I ask Father that you would break the foolishness, nonsense, and false doctrines that have been perpetrated by this man, who has spread these things falsely in your name, attributed them falsely to your being, and has falsely attempted to use you in his wickedness, and especially father for setting up a false god and stealing your holy name and giving it to this horrid idol!

In Jesus' name I pray, and ask - Amen.

[willieH]

willieH: Hi lefein...  :Sparkletooth:

hmmm... don't be in such a hurry to pat yourself on the back.  :laughing7:   you almost answered the question...

What about the Apostle Paul, lefein?  -- Rom 7:15 -- Did he "hate" things he wasn't even aware that he DID?   :Whistle:

I'm not patting myself on the back, I can't, it was ordained by God for me to say what I said, nothing else, I had no say in the matter, it was 100% God.  :dontknow:

Doesn't matter anyway about the Apostle Paul, because what I said is a matter of fact; The Holy Spirit convicts, and brings to remembrance the things we don't know about.

Once again, unable to reply, you sidestep the issues...  It is obvious to anyone (with the exception of you and a few others that refuse insights) that PAUL is dealing with problems in his life of which he is WELL AWARE...  Not need a supernatural occurance to "RE-enlighten " his memory.

There is no such thing as "God the Spirit"... GOD is SPIRIT...

It is not up to you to decide the respect and credit that  >>I GIVE<<  unto YHVH

God ordained for me to say it, it wasn't me who said "God the Spirit" God did, it was 100% God through me who said God the Spirit.  So I'm not wrong, what I said is completely, perfectly 100% infallible, because what God says through me, by ordaining me to say it, is 100% perfect, because God said it, and he is infallible, and perfect.

Do you always chase your tail, lefein?

I hold YHVH in the HIGHEST esteem... and RESPECT...  :bowing: YHVH

No you don't.  You take his name and will in vain constantly.

You bear false witness, unless you can produce where you assert that I have "taken His name in vain" even ONCE, let alone CONSTANTLY...  :thumbdown:

I was ordained to say that by the way, and if you have a problem with it  take it up with the perfect God, not me, because it wasn't me who said it, it was God, and only God, and 100% God, I had no say in the matter, I just posted what he told me to post, being ordained to post it.  And so it is God saying you don't take him in high esteem, not me.

As always you have nothing profitable to say... resorting to redundant repetition of what has already been addressed...


...willieH  :cloud9:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Posts have been deleted, posts have been modified, and I'm locking this thread until everyone calms down. Please refer to the board rules about name-calling, flaming, baiting, ect.  :sigh:

[Paul Hazelwood]

And if we are true believers, we shall LOVE one another, as we discuss... not name call until the other is beaten down enough to retreat!

That might actually mean something if you followed your own advise.   But of course you couldn't care less how your comments come across to anyone, you have said as such that you can write whatever you see fit and the other person must take the time to muddle through all your garbage.

Well, muddle through it yourself and quit whining to the mods about it.