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Prince William is presently beloved and revered throughout the world.  He and/or Wales is a fine candidate to be "the little horn" described in Revelation and Daniel.  Here is the evidence...

In Daniel 8:23, the little horn is referred to as a ruler ("mlk" = king/sovereign). See also, Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:28-45 suggesting the 'false messiah' will be a ruler.  In Revelation 13, the text uses the word "diadem" (jewel) to imply he is also royalty.

For starters, the occult connections of his 'royal family' have been extensively documented.  At age 25, Prince William became the 1,000th member of Britain's most exclusive secret society, the "Order of the Garter," parts of which are useful to the military Order of Malta, Committee of 300, and Freemasonry. William's dad Charles is a 33rd degree mason, which provides the highest level of occult opportunity. Charles appears to have been grooming William for the 'occult life'.

His mother may have had a different plan of sorts - here is a noncontroversial quote from the late princess Diana "I believe Wills can rebuild Camelot and I will be his Merlin. We will return to the chivalry, pageantry and glory of King Arthur's court. William will re-make the Monarchy by showing love, leadership and compassion."

William's 'royal' crest contains all the animals from Daniel's vision of the four-fold creature: lion, bear, leopard, and dragon. Daniel 7:3-7, Rev. 13:2 ("And the living being I saw being the image of a leopard and his feet as of a bear and his mouth as of lions and the Dragon gives him his power and his throne and great kingdom." William's crest has a lion's head with a leopard's body and bear feat, and a red dragon. There is also a unicorn on William's crest with eyes like a man, and with its tongue sticking out, that correlates to the 'little horn' of Daniel 7:8 ("another little horn ascends between them; in front of whom three of the first horns uproot: and behold, in this horn, eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth uttering greatly.") The design around the unicorn's neck is called the "eldest-son label" and has been described as three parallel horns which are, in a manner of speaking, 'plucked out by the roots' (i.e., turned upside down).

(http://s4.postimg.org/hu5fs17v1/william_and_charles_crests_jpg.jpg)

As for the red dragon, the symbol of Wales (William's hometown) is the dragon, and the symbol of London is the dragon. Another noteworthy fact is that Prince William's nickname in the Royal Air Force is "Dragon". The layout of the crest (on Charles' coat) reads, "I serve the red dragon" as it says "ich dien" (meaning "I serve" in German, or "your man" in Welsh) immediately beneath a picture of the red dragon. Indeed, the unicorn (little horn) is chained to the image of the red dragon.

If William/Wales is the little horn then he is part of the beast of the sea - the lion on his coat of arms has a seashell on the collar. Also, William is/was in the Royal Navy (the helicopter he flew was called the Sea King), and the U.K. is an island nation.  His nickname in the Royal Navy was "the dragon".  Check this out:

(http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/img/baphomet.jpg)

The British monarchy emerged directly out of the same Roman empire that crucified the Messiah. This happened when Britain became a Roman colony in approximately 55 B.C. (although warring with Rome continued well into the 2nd century). The name "Britain" is derived from "B'rith-ain" which means "covenant land," and "British" means "covenant man." The British empire exceeded even the Roman empire in size. There is also some interesting pseudo-legal evidence that the two empires are actually the same empire, such that London is still a Roman city, and its crown is superior to the crown of Great Britain. It has also been said that the British monarchy has been subservient to the Catholic Church since the Treaty of Verona in 1213. And see The 1215 Magna Carta, English Translation by Xavier Hildegarde. The operative provision in the Magna Carta is section 13 ("And the city of London shall have all its ancient liberties and free customs, by land as well as by water.")

Moreover, modern day Israel emerged out of Britain when the British military 'won' Israel around 1917, and then turned it over to Jewish authorities in 1948.

The primary financial agent and secular control center for the Vatican is the City of London, which is also the Rothschilds' banking epicenter. The Rothschilds have been the 'official' bankers for the Catholic Church since 1823 – but the breadth of evil produced by the unholy alliance between the Vatican and Britain is well documented. William's mentor has been David Manning. William especially has Rothschild connections through Diana's side.

Prince Phillip and Evelyn Rothschild recently established an Interfaith Declaration for the creation of one world religion.

Arguably, William's name is blasphemous. Rev. 13:1, Rev. 17:3. "Will" means self or self-determinism, and "I am" is one of the names of the Creator. The name William means "conqueror", which is what the first horse of Revelation does. Compare John 16:33, where the Messiah is said to have conquered the world.

William's full name is "William Arthur Philip Louis Windsor." Phillip means horse lover (which may correlate to the four horsemen of the Apocalypse). Louis means famous warrior; William is in the military and has not really been shy about his ambition to fight. Arthur means bear, stone or eagle (all of which imply the typology of the fierce warrior king Arthur – the once and future king. Windsor means riverbank with a winch, which is relevant to the 'living beast of the sea' connection from Rev. 13.

"King of the United Kingdom" sounds similar to "King of Kings," which is one of the Messiah's titles. (Rev. 17:14, Rev. 19:16). From 1030 B.C. to 931 B.C., under both King David and King Solomon, Israel was referred to as the United Kingdom of Israel and Judah. William and family claim to be descendants from the line of King David (the bible says the Messiah comes from the line of King David). See e.g., 1 Chron. 22:9, 1 Chron. 28:4-5, Ps.132:11, 2 Samuel 7:12, John 7:42.

On June 2, 1953, with the Knights of the Garter carrying the canopy over her head, Elizabeth II was anointed and crowned as "Queen of thy people Israel". The monarchy claims the throne in the Throne Room in England is the actual throne of King David. On the British coat of arms, under the shield is a motto, "Dieu et mon droit" meaning "God and my right," their attempt to refer to a birthright to the throne. Indeed, the monarchy's coronation ceremony revolves around a chair they claim has the "stone of scone" fitted into it (that would be the same stone Jacob used as a pillow on the night he dreamt of the ladder into heaven with angels ascending and descending).

If these self-proclaimed royals' coronation and investiture ceremonies are any guide, it bears mentioning that on July 1, 1969, standing up from her dragon-adored throne, Queen Elizabeth gave Charles regalia with a dragon featured on the rod, ring and sword. Charles then says, "I, Charles, Prince of Wales, do become your liege man of life and limb and of earthly worship and faith and truth I will bear unto you to live and die against all manner of folks." Read all about it in the popular book by Tim Cohen at pages 198-204 (side note for researchers: an often misquoted section of this book claims the queen said, 'This dragon gives you your power, your throne, and your authority' – that's an internet rumor, and Cohen didn't write that; I never found such a quote after a long search of books and videos).

William was born at St. Mary's hospital in the U.K. The comparison is that the Messiah's mother was named Mary (English translation obviously).

Prince William was born on the Summer Solstice - June 21, 1982. The occult have tried to hijack the significance of this day for dark purposes. Perhaps it's also notable that this birth date would give William the astrological sign of Gemini, which mystics and many others associate with being two-faced (or a twin).

In 1996, Prince William voluntarily accepted an RFID tracking chip in his right hand. Coincidentally, the bible says the mark of the beast is given in the right hand or forehead. Rev. 13:16-18.

Look at this little horn on "Holyhead Island", the place where Prince William had his primary residence for years while working as a helicopter pilot:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Isle_of_Anglesey_UK_location_map.svg/2000px-Isle_of_Anglesey_UK_location_map.svg.png)

William's brother is named Harry, which reminds of the power struggle between Esau (meaning "hairy") and Jacob (meaning "he who supplants"). William would be Jacob, who is the usurper (supplanter), a substitute. The history of Jacob/Israel has much to offer for its symbolism and meaning.

It is often said that Antiochus Epiphanes (who loved art) foreshadows the antichrist. Prince William majored in art in college at St. Andrews.

Diana referred to William as the future King Arthur who would usher in Camelot. Written on Arthur's tomb is "Hic Jacet Arthurus, Rex Quondam, Rexque Futurus," which says, "Here lies Arthur, the Once and Future King." According to some sources, Diana's death occurred in the same place as an ancient 'goddess Diana sacrifice' location - the location of the Pont D'Alma Tunnel as a sacred site dedicated to the Moon Goddess Diana. Several other circumstances of the death suggest occult connections: crashing into the thirteenth pillar of the tunnel; the event occurred on August 13 (festival day for goddess Diana was August 31, so an occult sacrifice offering would take place before but close to the festival day).

In the world today, there is a huge movement called 'British-Israelism,' which claims the lost tribes of Israel are scattered throughout the globe and primarily located in modern-day Europe, America, Africa, and so forth. Unfortunately, researchers of these historical questions often affiliate with hateful white supremacist or black supremacist movements and cults. Some people actually believe this stuff - they drink from that Roman 'holy grail' through their chosen belief system.

Take it all together, and William/Wales sure looks suspicious. But hey, these things are complex and we can still keep an open mind -- I suppose it's possible William is only foreshadowing the real antichrist, or perhaps just being setup to look like the anti-christ as part of Satan's great multi-layered deception. In any case, followers of the Messiah should pray for our enemies, and return good for evil. (Matthew 5:44, Luke 6:27-36). Perhaps William's lonely fate is prophesied in Daniel 11:45, "and he plants the tents of his pavilion between the seas in the holy mountain of splendor; and he comes to his end and no one helps him." This is all the more reason to pray for William's salvation and comfort.

Excerpt from William 2015, by Grace Powers:

1. Until recently, the "Stone of Jacob" was stored beneath the Queen's throne chair and was included in her 1953 coronation ceremony. Jacob is the Hebrew patriarch whose name was changed to "Israel" (IS-RA-EL).

2. Queen Elizabeth II was crowned at her coronation ceremony on top of a platform with descending steps on all sides that duplicate an Egyptian step pyramid. (Fig. 13)

3. The British Monarch's crown has 12 colored stones at the base, each representing the 12 Hebrew tribes of Israel. These stones are identical to the twelve colored stones worn on the breastplate of Hebrew high priests in ancient Israel.

4. The Union "Jack" flag represents the re-union of the twelve Hebrew tribes of "Jacob" (Jack) in the British Isles after they were forced to disperse from Israel. The Union Jack is red, white and blue – the same colors as the three Crowns of Egypt.

5. The symbols within the British Coat of Arms reveal Britain's Hebrew origin. According to the Bible, the harp symbolizes the Hebrew King David. The Biblical lion and unicorn holding up the shield symbolize the nation of Israel. The motto "dieu et mon droit" means "God and my right" indicating the divine "right" of the British Monarch to an eternal throne.

6. The "royal scepter" originates in ancient Egypt. It was carried by the Egyptian God Amen and by Egyptian Pharaohs who called themselves the son of God (Amen). The royal scepter is carried by Queen Elizabeth II and contains the world's largest cut diamond called the Star of Africa (Egypt).

7. The symbol of the bee can be found within the Monarch's royal wardrobe. In ancient Egypt, bees were a symbol of royalty and the symbol of Egypt.

8. Dressed in royal attire, the Queen carries a tassled flail or whip which is partially hidden under her arm. The punishing flail or whip also originates with the pharaohs of ancient Egypt.

9. During the Queen's coronation ceremony in 1953, she turned to face the four corners of the globe - north, south, east and west. The orb carried by the Queen represents the globe over which the Monarch rules.

10. The headdress presently worn by judges and the Queen's high ranking officials originate in ancient Egypt.

11. The hymn, "Zadoc the Priest", written by Handel was performed at the Queen's coronation ceremony in 1953. Zadoc the Priest was the Biblical priest who anointed the Hebrew King Solomon while the people cried "God save King Solomon. May the King live forever." Today, the rendition is "God Save Queen Elizabeth, May the Queen live forever".

12. The Queen's coronation gifts of a rod, bracelets and a ring are a re-enactment of the Bible story of the Hebrew ancestors of Jesus Christ named Judah and Tamar whom she is a descendant of.

13. Incest was practiced by ancient Egyptian royalty. Mothers married sons. Brothers married sisters to keep the power and money all in the family. Like their Egyptian royal ancestors, the British monarchy also practiced incestuous inbreeding.

14. The Pope's headdress is strikingly similar to the headdress of the Egyptian God Amen. His bent cross resembles the scepter of Amen.

15. Royal jubilees originate in ancient Egypt. Egyptian Pharaohs celebrated their jubilees after 30 years of rule. In the same tradition, Queen Elizabeth II celebrates her silver and golden jubilees.

16. Like the Egyptian Pharaohs, British monarchs wear signet rings which, over the millennia, have been passed down from their Hebrew ancestors

17. Pleated kilts with aprons like those worn by Prince Charles originate with the Egyptian Pharaohs.

18. The structure of government in ancient Egypt was a step pyramid model with the grand vizier and priesthood one step below the Pharaoh. Today's Monarch reigns with a grand vizier. His name is Rothschild.

19. The corpses of deceased Pharaohs were preserved and entombed beneath their pyramid temples. The corpses of 19 deceased British Monarchs are also preserved in marble tomb slabs beneath the modern day temple called Westminster Abbey.

20. The ancient Pharaohs of Egypt advertised their power with their images on coins, in temples and on stone monuments. The power of Queen Elizabeth II is advertised worldwide with her image printed on more coins and stamps than any other Head of State in history.

21. In 2003, the British mint printed legal tender gold coins called "The One True Ring" and "The Ring of Power". Queen Elizabeth II appears on one side of the coin. On the flip side of the coin is the ring from "Lord of the Rings". These legal tender coins printed by the British mint raise the question, "Who is the real Lord of the Rings?" The inscription on the ring reads, "One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness (of their ignorance) - bind them."

22. The covenant that the biblical God gave to Abraham was a promise to make his name "great" and to make for him a "great" nation. Today, Great Britain is the only nation named "Great".

hi! i sorta skimmed your article, and I agree there are many antiChrists and also foreshadowings (plus a spirit of which is very active in the world)

but mostly my view on who the final one will be is based on Rev 13:13, which i believe pinpoints, not a person, but an office, as I believe it occurred in 1945, a spiritual earthquake which changed much of the fabric of the world (also seal six of chapter six, described as a blend of its beginning, and, its full maturity in very 'end' days)

the european standards do include a lot of revelation beast symbols.. a world 'beast' (body/governing) - verses 13:1-10 (the 'little' beast/horn being verses 11-18) and the little one will give breath (authority) to the world beast (body).. its first head having expired because the head didn't sign on after all.. (also Daniel 9:27, Strong's "covenant, agreement, league")

That's right, the UN was founded in 1945.

(http://www.logicalhierarchy.com/Miscellaneous-Images/UN-prayer-room.jpg)

I think the UN (especially the ICC with its unprecedented legal authority to judge the entire world) is a much bigger piece of the puzzle than Prince William, but I expect William will still be a key figurehead, and he sure seems to match the description of the little horn specifically.  Time will tell though, so i guess we'll just wait and see...

As for the European Union, I would probably put them in the same category as Barack Obama -- they're probably just the fall guys, so when things start getting seriously apocalyptic this generation, the powers-that-be can look back and say, 'oh yeah, all that revelation 13 stuff is behind us, it was the EU, and Barack, and the late great USA, or whatever national/regional geopolitical stuff anyone wants to believe.

So yeah, i think the UN is a huge piece of it, and they'll eventually trample Israel in ways that Obama and the EU couldn't even attempt.  Sad days ahead.

 :cloud9: I think it's all spiritual, and as the natural can only do what it sees the spiritual do/be, it is easier to look at the root, than the fruit. Blessings...

I never agree with accusing anyone of any evil before they have done anything, and speculating whether real, God-created humans may be this or that "evil end times person". William is beloved of God, with the blood of Christ having been shed for him, and to date has shown considerable courage as a coast guard - saving peoples lives - and an ambassador for his nation. If he is NOT what the above article conjectures, then it dishonors him in a very profound manner. If he turns out to be something terrible, then it shall be so, we shall see it when it comes to pass, and he will STILL ultimately end up in Christ. Does anyone apologize for slander which these conjectures turn out to be false?

I agree with Cardinal that prophecy is spiritual, and spiritually discerned. And just to show how it is easy to make conjectures and "coincidences" about famous people, I have randomly selected Jack Nicklaus the golfer to (hopefully humorously) demonstrate why he could easily be made out to be an "end times villain":

1 - Jack is derived from 'Jacob', meaning supplanter. Jack Nicklaus is going to supplant the truth with his diabolical web of deception, and supplant the kings of the earth with his throne.
2 - Nicklaus sounds similar to 'Nicolaitan'. This proves Jack Nicklaus holds to that doctrine.
3 - Jack Nicklaus is from Columbus, Ohio, which is named after the explorer who established a new world. This is a metaphor for the one world government Jack Nicklaus will establish.
4 - There are 12 letters in 'Jack Nicklaus' which shows he will exert power over the twelve tribes of Israel.
5 - Jack Nicklaus won 18 majors, which is 6 + 6 + 6. I just got chills.
6 - To 'nick' in English slang, is to steal, and also to arrest someone, showing the crafty and criminal nature of Jack Nicklaus.
7 - Jack Nicklaus always wore yellow on a championship Sunday. This was a reference to the gold head of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's vision.
8 - He was born in Upper Arlington, Ohio, which shares the name with a famous cemetery, showing he is the bringer of death.
9 - His famous book was called 'Golf My Way' showing he walked in his own way, and not a spiritual path.
10 - He was famous for playing Golf, which shares a name with a car made by Volkswagen, who came to the fore in Nazi Germany.

Does anyone still doubt Jack Nicklaus is not all he seems?

Quote from: Shev on December 02, 2015, 10:50:30 PM
I never agree with accusing anyone of anything before they have done anything, and speculating whether real, God-created humans may be this or that "evil end times person". William is beloved of God, with the blood of Christ having been shed for him, and to date has shown considerable courage as a coast guard and an ambassador for his nation. If he is NOT what the above article conjectures, then it dishonors him in a very profound manner. If he turns out to be something terrible, then it shall be so, we shall see it when it comes to pass, and he will STILL ultimately end up in Christ.

I agree with Cardinal that prophecy is spiritual, and spiritually discerned. And just to show how it is easy to make conjectures and "coincidences" about famous people, I have randomly selected Jack Nicklaus the golfer to (hopefully humorously) demonstrate why he is an end times villain:

1 - Jack is derived from 'Jacob', meaning supplanter. Jack Nicklaus is going to supplant the truth with his diabolical web of deception, and supplant the kings of the earth with his throne.
2 - Nicklaus sounds similar to 'Nicolaitan'. This proves Jack Nicklaus holds to that doctrine.
3 - Jack Nicklaus is from Columbus, Ohio, which is named after the explorer who established a new world. This is a metaphor for the one world government Jack Nicklaus will establish.
4 - There are 12 letters in 'Jack Nicklaus' which shows he will exert power over the twelve tribes of Israel.
5 - Jack Nicklaus won 18 majors, which is 6 + 6 + 6. I just got chills.
6 - To 'nick' in English slang, is to steal, and also to arrest someone, showing the crafty and criminal nature of Jack Nicklaus.
7 - Jack Nicklaus always wore yellow on a championship Sunday. This was a reference to the gold head of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's vision.
8 - He was born in Upper Arlington, Ohio, which shares the name with a famous cemetery, showing he is the bringer of death.
9 - His famous book was called 'Golf My Way' showing he walked in his own way, and not a spiritual path.
10 - He was famous for playing Golf, which shares a name with a car made by Volkswagen, who came to the fore in Nazi Germany.

Does anyone still doubt Jack Nicklaus is not all he seems?

That's pretty funny about the golfer, yep, [crickets]. 

Look man, I do appreciate your point about the danger of casting aspersions on an innocent man.  Indeed, under British Law, Prince William has 'Sovereign Immunity', so he has never technically even committed a crime.  Interesting how that factoid actually supports both of our respective positions.  It's a kind of duality, your position and mine.

But please appreciate that I never said he was 'evil' or lacked courage.  I was saying it seems suspicious to me that he appears to match the characteristics of the little horn, and that his family is so overtly into the occult and 'holy grail lineage'.   I mean c'mon man, William's royal coat of arms has the four beasts of revelation and a little horn right on the face of it - and yet, we're not even allowed to talk about that??  It is written about this little horn that the world will adore him and be deceived by him.  If such is the case, shall we never discuss this identity that the bible says is ripe for deception? 

Please re-read the conclusion of my original post, "Take it all together, and William/Wales sure looks suspicious. But hey, these things are complex and we can still keep an open mind -- I suppose it's possible William is only foreshadowing the real antichrist, or perhaps just being setup to look like the anti-christ as part of Satan's great multi-layered deception. In any case, followers of the Messiah should pray for our enemies, and return good for evil. (Matthew 5:44, Luke 6:27-36). Perhaps William's lonely fate is prophesied in Daniel 11:45, "and he plants the tents of his pavilion between the seas in the holy mountain of splendor; and he comes to his end and no one helps him." This is all the more reason to pray for William's salvation and comfort."

Personally, I doubt mega-institutions like the crown of England and the Vatican are just courageous soldiers in the fight for Christ.  I think it's more complex than that, with different layers of saga and salvation.  Where did Judas Iscariot come from?  He was an insider, right?

In John, all of the disciples at the table wanted to know which one of them would betray the Messiah.  I don't recall the Messiah chastising the disciples for wondering who it was.  In fact, the Messiah answered the beloved disciple.  Of course, to your credit, none of the disciples posted a handbill on the door to the room listing the potential evidence for any particular candidate.  Are you correct to judge me an accuser, I don't fault you for judging me.  In the end, if William really is innocent and I'm an accusing schmuck for even questioning the evidence, then the Father will count my negativity as some cosmic credit to William.  But if William or Wales is indeed the little horn, then that helps alert Christians to please stop giving their energy to that crown. 

Either way, thank you for the comment.  And if you'd like to post positive things about William here, that would be great.  There are surely a ton of things to mention, including especially his charitable work.

Hey Greg, brother,

With regards to the accusing question, If you came across an article as long as the one you posted, detailing all the ways in which you yourself were to be some person of portent or other, would you feel accused? I sure would! I mean, you said I judged you as an accuser when I wrote two short paragraphs about your article, with nothing specifically directed at you as a person - imagine how accused you would feel if I had written paragraph after paragraph, and even said your name may be blasphemous! This is probably the best way of explaining what I meant by defending William. I am not saying he is a Christian, and I certainly don't recall writing anything supporting the Vatican either, but I just don't see how it sits with the ministry of reconciliation to write these things. If anything came across as overly personal, I do apologize, but I was commenting on the article itself, and never meant to make you feel like an "accusing schmuck".

As for the laundry list, I thought your laundry list was actually quoting Grace Powers, not your own words, so I was paralleling her list just to show how easy it is to do these kind of things. I think numerology is especially problematic, as people tend to take great liberties with numbers, making all kinds of laborious equations to get to the number they are aiming for. I am confident I could take any famous person and make a similar list.

Indeed, Christ told His apostles who would betray Him. But He knew! It was not speculation! If we are referencing the scriptures here, how many world events do we see detailed by Paul, Peter and the other writers of the epistles? None! Only the narrative accounts tell us anything about world events. The epistle writers don't even tell us who Caesar is at the time of their writing! So why the big discrepancy between the New Testament lack of fascination with world events and today's obsession? I think a key to this is in Colossians 3:

If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.  2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.  3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.  4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. (Colossians 3:1-4)

What matters is the increase of the kingdom of God and the word of reconciliation, not headlines about how carnal men may be doing carnal things.

As far as positive things about William, I am not sure if you were being sarcastic nor not (well played, if so!). I will say my wife and I were at the Royal Wedding in 2011, and it was an amazing day, with a wonderful spirit about it. There were a million people in a fairly small area of London, and yet there were no problems, no jostling or shoving, but people were being patient and helping each other left and right. Even the CofE minister relayed a wonderful message about Christ and the church, and the whole day had that spirit about it - a picture of Christ and His bride - much more than any works of darkness. I am certainly not one to overenthusiastically embrace any corporate religious gathering or institutional message, being firmly outside the camp of the church systems, but it was truly a wonderful day.

Beyond this, I know William and Harry have generally tried hard to represent England well, though obviously Harry has some well known indiscretions. As I said before, William has saved lives as a coast guard, and Harry - though I do not agree with war - did show great courage to voluntarily be sent to the front lines of Afghanistan. Again, these are carnal men, but even carnal men can show courage and character.

William and Kate appear to me to have very kind spirits. My wife and I invited them to our wedding a year after theirs, just as a king of humorous reciprocation, owing to having attended theirs in a manner of speaking. We actually got a signed letter back from them, though I don't doubt they likely simply authorized their secretary to respond in that manner to our type of communication. It was still a nice touch.

Ultimately, all that matters to me about William, or Obama, or Putin, or ISIS, or any other carnal man or group we could name, is that the blood of Christ has been shed for them, the kingdom of Christ is increasing, and shall swallow up all of them in it's light - indeed, even death itself. This is the message that matters to me.

Again, no personal offense, brother. God bless!

Quote from: Shev on December 03, 2015, 12:30:00 AM
Hey Greg, brother,

With regards to the accusing question, If you came across an article as long as the one you posted, detailing all the ways in which you yourself were to be some person of portent or other, would you feel accused? I sure would! I mean, you said I judged you as an accuser when I wrote two short paragraphs about your article, with nothing specifically directed at you as a person - imagine how accused you would feel if I had written paragraph after paragraph, and even said your name may be blasphemous! This is probably the best way of explaining what I meant by defending William. I am not saying he is a Christian, and I certainly don't recall writing anything supporting the Vatican either, but I just don't see how it sits with the ministry of reconciliation to write these things. If anything came across as overly personal, I do apologize, but I was commenting on the article itself, and never meant to make you feel like an "accusing schmuck".

As for the laundry list, I thought your laundry list was actually quoting Grace Powers, not your own words, so I was paralleling her list just to show how easy it is to do these kind of things. I think numerology is especially problematic, as people tend to take great liberties with numbers, making all kinds of laborious equations to get to the number they are aiming for. I am confident I could take any famous person and make a similar list.

Indeed, Christ told His apostles who would betray Him. But He knew! It was not speculation! If we are referencing the scriptures here, how many world events do we see detailed by Paul, Peter and the other writers of the epistles? None! Only the narrative accounts tell us anything about world events. The epistle writers don't even tell us who Caesar is at the time of their writing! So why the big discrepancy between the New Testament lack of fascination with world events and today's obsession? I think a key to this is in Colossians 3:

If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.  2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.  3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.  4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. (Colossians 3:1-4)

What matters is the increase of the kingdom of God and the word of reconciliation, not headlines about how carnal men may be doing carnal things.

As far as positive things about William, I am not sure if you were being sarcastic nor not (well played, if so!). I will say my wife and I were at the Royal Wedding in 2011, and it was an amazing day, with a wonderful spirit about it. There were a million people in a fairly small area of London, and yet there were no problems, no jostling or shoving, but people were being patient and helping each other left and right. Even the CofE minister relayed a wonderful message about Christ and the church, and the whole day had that spirit about it - a picture of Christ and His bride - much more than any works of darkness. I am certainly not one to overenthusiastically embrace any corporate religious gathering or institutional message, being firmly outside the camp of the church systems, but it was truly a wonderful day.

Beyond this, I know William and Harry have generally tried hard to represent England well, though obviously Harry has some well known indiscretions. As I said before, William has saved lives as a coast guard, and Harry - though I do not agree with war - did show great courage to voluntarily be sent to the front lines of Afghanistan. Again, these are carnal men, but even carnal men can show courage and character.

William and Kate appear to me to have very kind spirits. My wife and I invited them to our wedding a year after theirs, just as a king of humorous reciprocation, owing to having attended theirs in a manner of speaking. We actually got a signed letter back from them, though I don't doubt they likely simply authorized their secretary to respond in that manner to our type of communication. It was still a nice touch.

Ultimately, all that matters to me about William, or Obama, or Putin, or ISIS, or any other carnal man or group we could name, is that the blood of Christ has been shed for them, the kingdom of Christ is increasing, and shall swallow up all of them in it's light - indeed, even death itself. This is the message that matters to me.

Again, no personal offense, brother. God bless!

Right on, that's a cool comment and smart perspective throughout, thank you.  Yeah, i think i called you an accuser for accusing me of accusing William   :URWelcome:  So it looks like we got a good joke in there after all. 

I would still have many miles to go in my journey of abandoning the cares of this world or finding a way to not care who is who in Revelation.  My wife jokes with me about all these little trivia bits I've picked up over the years about Revelation.  I find it natural to wonder, the world is so fascinating.

You know, you raised a really good point in your first post too about the matter being spiritual first.  For if the Creator wanted us to dwell upon personalities, perhaps He would have specified people's names in the book rather than cryptically.  On the other hand, Proverbs 25:2, "The honor of God is to hide a thing, And the honor of kings to search out a matter."

Oh well, who knows, maybe time to join the Royal Navy for a quick round...

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Hey Greg,

Thank you for taking all that in the right spirit. After all, it is not the disagreements that matter so much as the manner the disagreement is conducted in.

Good point about the accusations - now if we could just find a way for William to accuse me...   :laughing7:

I must admit I am curious as to how everything comes about with regards to the coming manifestation of Christ, only knowing "...it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."

God bless, brother!

Quote from: Shev on December 03, 2015, 01:21:52 AM
- now if we could just find a way for William to accuse me...   :laughing7:

:LH:  Best one of the day!

Quote from: Shev on December 03, 2015, 01:21:52 AM
Thank you for taking all that in the right spirit. After all, it is not the disagreements that matter so much as the manner the disagreement is conducted in.

Likewise, exactly, right on!

In light of recent events, Resep Erdogan may be the anti-christ . He is paving the way for WW3 where he will defeat the 3 Kings (Obama, Putin, and possibly China)

I have read a few such articles, and each one seems to lay out a good case for his/her Anti-Christ Candidate.  I well remember www.bushistheantichrist.com, and some others.  I still think the office of the Pope is best contender.

I agree with Laz that the Pope best suits the role.
However as John the Apostle said there are many anti-Christs in the world.

1Jn_2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

And we need to distinguish between the Beast and the False Prophet.
The beast = a man or the system?
The False Prophet = a man of international influence on the world scene who is Satan possessed.

:2c:

Quote from: joeteekay on December 03, 2015, 04:36:27 AM
I agree with Laz that the Pope best suits the role.
However as John the Apostle said there are many anti-Christs in the world.

1Jn_2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

And we need to distinguish between the Beast and the False Prophet.
The beast = a man or the system?
The False Prophet = a man of international influence on the world scene who is Satan possessed.

:2c:

Questions for all who name the pope as the antichrist:
This pope or all popes? Or a pope in the future at some point?
Using the biblical criteria that you cited, how is a pope the antichrist, as far as I know all have confessed that Jesus came in the flesh and none deny the father and son.

I was raised Catholic. Then became agnostic...then bounced around the born again/non-denominational/Protestant scene. Then dabbled back in Catholicism, then Protestantism...then UR hit me and I'm just going it alone with the bible and the HS for now (and you all)...

I've heard the scary tales of catholic Babylon and believed them for a while...

My new thoughts lately are that ALL Christian religions have some things right and some things wrong...and all Christian denominations have lovely men and women who think they are serving God in the best way they can.

I tend to think the antichrist may be Muslim...as they believe Jesus is a prophet and not God's son and that he wasn't resurrected (they believe he never died on the cross). The Muslims via various terrorist groups are growing in power, wreaking havoc in the Middle East, Africa, and now the western world. I read an article recently that states ISIS believes they are acting as a catalyst to usher in the end times and they believe when Jesus returns he will be on their side.

Quote from: joeteekay on December 03, 2015, 04:36:27 AM
I agree with Laz that the Pope best suits the role.
However as John the Apostle said there are many anti-Christs in the world.

1Jn_2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

And we need to distinguish between the Beast and the False Prophet.
The beast = a man or the system?
The False Prophet = a man of international influence on the world scene who is Satan possessed.

:2c:

Good points. I think in every generations there have been prototypical anti-Christ and beast systems. Nazi Germany was certainly one. Rome of course at various times and of course many "fulfilld view" believers believe that was already fulfilled in Rome at jerusalem. I dont, but I can see the allure of that view because it hits on so many touchstones.

But I believe these pictures in Daniel and Revelation have to be combined. The beasts of both books with the little horn compared to its opposite, the little stone. The golden headed statue of the history of the nations of the world from babylon through to the kingdom of God compares to the giant messenger of rev 10, clothed with the clouds, head in the heavens surrounded by a rainbow, and a little book in its hand, the evrlasting gospel- which chews sweet but goes down bitter- woop!, bring in Ezekiel and Zechariah now :o)

Often so much attention is put on specific verses, rather than the interelationships of these broad strokes in the Word, that we forget these seams of gold and silver we dig for and mine are like threads of silk in a whole cloth, are all integral, and always speaking into TODAY, even more than being eschatological mysteries for the future, revealing THE NATURE OF THINGS so we can see them and respond IN OUR TIMES- As opposedd to pulling on them like individual worry strings as we try to interpret the grand themes of God's plan through the minimalist method of individual persons and events.............at least, thats the way I see it :o)

   Always   good points  ,  and hard to  ''put in words ''

   For me the   Anti Christ  ''spirit''  in a man  , any man at any time  , is opposing  or replacing   the LORD JESUS   Christ  [Mind of Christ]   , Jesus  is the very image  of God the  Father  and our excellent example  , His mind is doing the Fathers will only   

   The man of sin [error /trespass of boundaries  with no respect  to God or man / basic lawlessness   ]  is   full of pride and ''self '' worth   with vain and empty talk and flatteries     , self willed

1 Tim3  5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth....


1 Timothy 5:6
But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives.

Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

Titus 3:3
At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.   opposite of Jesus Christ being the head [ authority  and      foremost    Leader ] not holding the HEAD / JESUS CHRIST ...      but being the head and holding self importance     and agendas     , unloving , unkind and disrespectful    , pushy , bossy and   ''forceful ''   

Jude 1:4
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Having found some   very manipulative  in religious circles  , to guilt you into seeing their way and   using the VERY WORD OF GOD  , against you   to ''help them ''    push a cause   for their own benefit !   

  Discerning the spirits  in mankind and knowing what spirit   ,  one is   made  of  ,  being in constant check   of our own  ''ideas ''  and imaginations ....   

   For me personally  ,   the  Muslim   thing , is prophecy from the beginning        ,  those are the Ishmael's[fleshly  , literal   fear and hate driven  ones that ''think'' they are doing God and service , the ones  as Saul  being Paul was under that sway      the Law of Moses ministration of death , killing new born baby Christians   being  apart of the BODY OF CHRIST / anointed ones ,    that God has allowed to   persecute       the Isaacs     [  the spiritual born again and new  creation    hid  in Christ ....

  Gen 49
  5"Simeon and Levi are brothers; Their swords are implements of violence. 6"Let my soul not enter into their council; Let not my glory be united with their assembly; Because in their anger they slew men, And in their self-will they lamed oxen....
  those sons  being the simon and   Levis   ''instruments of cruelty '' to this very day    continue on


  For me it has always been    how we ''THINK''  as we think ,so are we  known ..... 

   One of the most powerful scriptures that has helped me when the ''stinking  thinking ''    thoughts of death= destruction  /corruption     and hate come   in anger


  Rise up  in anyone at any time   , being that lawless one  , man of sin and error   , antiChrist spirit  ...  ungodly one  ,   driven , fear invoked  agendas , forceful

    we must overcome  them thoughts and ways of thinking  , that  fruit of your doings  is death ....

  is this   powerful  truth ....     IF , if  there be anything   lovely    pure dwell   FOCUS on these   Phill  4   

Think on These Things
8Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable,

whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. 9The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

God is as near as our thoughts !!   so close    and graceful    , learning to focus  and keep our eyes [understanding ]   on Jesus Christ being the Light and knowledge  &  Wisdom of God     

   Just as planted and rooted in Christ   LOVE    by the Father  :HeartThrob:  , tree of Life  is , the Light  and watering   makes      ''  truth and grace grow ''..

Being with Him already in Spirit and truth ...    not waiting to literally die to be nearer   to  God  :LoveH1:

Quote from: joeteekay on December 03, 2015, 04:36:27 AM

The beast = a man or the system?

Of (Rev 13) verses 1-10 - I agree, a world beast/body/governing/system (but of verses 11-18, signifying a person, so to speak, for we have his number.. but of which i believe verse 13:13 signifies as an office, one which brought fire upon earth in the sight of mankind.. (in 1945)

Which I think many think of as:

"The False Prophet = a man of international influence on the world scene who is Satan possessed."

but ( :2c: ) i tend to think of as a system.. the one who enabled the 'little' beast (office) to bring fire upon earth in the sight of mankind.. and one who does many miracles and modern wonders.. a white smocked magician (teacher, teaching) which began as a man (Darwin, or actually those following Darwin who took it further).. and caused a great falling away and the turning of christendom on its ear.. (which is still presently occurring)
:Peace2: God bless!

we mustn't faint from fear of what we see coming upon the earth...and our hearts fail us..because of increasing lawlessness and let love for

our fellowman grow cold. Discern spirits[judge messenger's/angel's as minsiter's of those who are to inherit eternal life/or as of satan

TRANSFORMING HIMSELF AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT THAT IS REALLY DARKNESS...but judge no man.  We must be as Christ...

  who come not to condemn..but save..and said..'I judge no man"

   the 'words He said' will judge us..as to if/how we keep these commandments of His.  curse not[your fellow man] but Bless him.

   ps...when the saints were overcome..He helps us..with a little help....oftentimes that 'help' comes in showing us the errors of our ways

  thinking and heart...that fall short of His glory.    :HeartThrob:

Quote from: Lazarus Short on December 03, 2015, 03:49:57 AM
I have read a few such articles, and each one seems to lay out a good case for his/her Anti-Christ Candidate.  I well remember www.bushistheantichrist.com, and some others.  I still think the office of the Pope is best contender.

It seems more logical that the Pope (specifically his office over the centuries) would be part of the Beast of the Land in Revelation 13.  By contrast, the Beast of the Sea is different – the body of that beast is the Roman masses (you and me) as we trample the world with military and consumerism etc.  It's all service to the man-god Caesar ultimately, which traces a direct lineage to the Crown of England -  the British royalty are the only institution in the world today that openly claim "earthly worship" along with "the throne of Israel" and the title of Roman Caesar "IMPERATOR", which you can read right on their own coins this very moment in the United Kingdom.  Here's my research paper that goes into embarrassing amounts of detail to track the history here from Egyptian Pharaoh to Roman Caesar to British King, a direct line of evidence: http://www.logicalhierarchy.com/blog/666-calculating-a-roman-beast-theory/

(http://s23.postimg.org/b5diw41fv/pontifex_maximus_pope_coin.png)

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Guys, each night on my ranch there are an unknown number of miscellaneous animals on the prowl around my sheep.  Among all the animals that prowl (dogs, skunks, rabbits, raccoon, cats, etc) none are a real threat to the flock of sheep except the coyotes, but my dog Lars barks to alert me regardless of whether it is a rabbit or a coyote or anything.  Lazarus, you joked Bushistheantichrist.com -- shall I ignore all of my dog's barks just because he has a little brain and sees another dog at night and he can't help himself from barking?  I have a book on my bookshelf called George Bush, the Unauthorized Biography.  That U.S. President was CIA and into some scary dark criminal weirdness.  I'm grateful that independent researchers were on watch at night to write a book about the deeds of George Bush, regardless of where he ultimately fits into the logistics of Revelation.  Like eaglesway says, "I think in every generations there have been prototypical anti-Christ and beast systems."

Sure, it wearies me to pay attention to all of my dog's barks and I can't keep up with his energy, so you know what really gets my attention... the coyotes' yelps when they've made a kill -- on July 1, 1969, standing up from her dragon-adored throne, Queen Elizabeth gave Charles regalia with a dragon featured on the rod, ring and sword. Charles then said on public television, "I, Charles, Prince of Wales, do become your liege man of life and limb and of earthly worship..." 

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Whenever Charles' dies this generation, William is scheduled to become the head prince/king of Wales, and those same words "of earthly worship" will be his to utter before the dragon-adorned throne. 

Matthew 24:4-5, "Yeshua answered and said to them, "Beware that no man will deceive you. For many will come in my name, and they will say. 'I AM THE LIVING GOD', The Messiah', and they will deceive many."

Matthew 24:21-25, "For then there will be great suffering, which has not been from the beginning of the world even until now, neither will be. If those days are not cut short no one would live, but because of the chosen ones, those days will be cut short. Then if someone will say to you, "Behold, The Messiah is here or there", you should not believe. For false Messiahs will arise and Prophets of lies, and they will give great signs so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you beforehand. If therefore they will say to you, "Behold, he is in the desert", you should not go out, or "Behold, he is in an inner room", do not believe it."

A few of you guys in replies to my post mentioned Islam; someone highlighted Resep Erdogan as a candidate.  Personally, I think Islam is just a tool that doesn't realize it is a tool.  The powers that be are allowing and empowering Islam to be the grossly ugly enemy it is in order to justify eventually unleashing the West's latest arsenal of weapons (i.e., sonic weapons, cyber attacks, global governance, biometric ID).

So I think the chances of Turkey etc or jihadi Islam winning a war against the Military Industrial Complex are somewhere between 0% and negative 1,000,000%.  Fearing Islam is a real threat is like fearing that Saruman is going to win in Lord of the Rings 2.  It's not even the last battle and the villain is teamed up with orcs; trust me, Saruman is going to lose.  Seriously, even if the lights go out (worldwide EMP attacks) and nuclear meltdown occurs, the western military industrial complex has surely run countless mock scenarios where they retain power and control from their deep underground military bases stocked with clean water, abundant energy and electricity, and more technology than the general public knows.

The real loser of the this upcoming televised holy war between 'Christianity' and Islam will be liberty and the environment. All of this is just worldly speculation and theory though, as things will probably start getting Apocalyptic pretty soon here. In the bible, a recurring pattern is that the Creator promises something to a person or group (e.g., "Israel"), and then Israel eventually transgresses/sins in some major way without repenting, at which point Israel's enemies are allowed to strengthen and unleash terror, until the Creator saves a remnant of Israel for the next round. Might that same pattern be happening today? In one school of thought, Israel's enemies today are systemic, they're everywhere: in islam, in consumerism, in cookie-cutter christianity, in the nation of Israel, Britain, Iran, Russia, in the military-industrial complex, in your Grandma's spice cake, in Freemasonry, at the UN, etc.

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This little horn is unique in where he comes from and who he is:

• Skull carries the name of blasphemy (Rev. 13:1)
  
• Image of a leopard, feet as of a bear, mouth as of lions, and the dragon gives him his power and throne and sultanship (Rev. 13:2)
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  • Receives a sword to the head, but the wound is healed and he comes back to life (Rev. 13:3)
  • Receives his power and throne from the dragon, for 42 months to blaspheme YHVH, and then after that he slaughters the holy and receives power over all tribes and nations and tongues and inhabitants of the earth whose names are not scribed in the scroll of life. Rev 13:4-8.
  
  See also the description of the little horn in the book of Daniel:
  
  Daniel 7:19-27:―Then I will to know the certainty of the fourth live being, who is changed from all the others —exceeding terrifying, —teeth of iron and his nails of copper; who devours, pulverizes and tramples the survivors with his feet; and of the ten horns in his head, and of the other which ascends, and in front of whom three fall; even of that horn with eyes and a mouth uttering ve ry great; whose vision is greater than his companions. I see, and the same horn makes war with the holy; and prevails against them; the Ancient of days comes, and gives the pleading of the cause to the holy of Elyon; and the appointment so happens that the holy hold the sovereigndom.  Thus he says, The fourth live being becomes the fourth sovereigndom on earth which is changed from all kingdoms; and it devours the whole earth, and treads it down, and pulverizes it.  And the ten horns from this sovereigndom are ten sovereigns who rise: and another rises after them —changed from the first; and he abases three sovereigns: and he utters utterances concerning the Elyon and wears out the holy of Elyon; and wills to change appointments and decrees: and they are given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. And the pleading is set, and they pass away his dominion, to desolate and to destroy it to the consummation: and the sovereigndom and dominion, and the greatness of the sovereigndom under the whole heavens, is given to the people of the holy of Elyon, whose sovereigndom is an Ealm sovereigndom; and all dominions serve and hearken to him."
  
  Daniel 8:5-12, 20-25:―And I discern, and behold, a buck of the doe goats comes from the dusk on the face of the whole earth, and touches not the earth: and the buck has a horn of vision between his eyes: and he comes to the ram master of horns — whom I see standing at the face of the river; and runs to him in the fury of his force: and I see him touch close beside the ram and he embitters against him; and smites the ram and breaks his two horns: and the ram has no force to stand at his face; and he casts him to the earth and tramples him: there is no one to rescue the ram from his hand. And the buck of the doe goats greatens mightily: and when he is mighty, the great horn breaks; and a vision of four ascends toward the four winds of the heavens: and from one of them, comes a little horn which greatens exceedingly, toward the south and toward the rising and toward the splendor: and it greatens to the host of the heavens; and it fells some of the host and of the stars to the earth, and tramples them.  Yes, he greatens, even to the governor of the host; and he lifts the continual and casts down the place of the holies: and he gives a host against the continual by reason of rebellion, and casts down the truth to the earth; and it works and prospers. And I heard a holy one speaking, and a holy one says to such a one who speaks, How long ere the vision of the continual, and the rebellion of desolating, gives both the holies and the host a trampling? And he says to me, Until two thousand and three hundred evening mornings; then the holies is justified.
  ...
  "The ram you see — the master of horns are the sovereigns of Maday and Persia: and the buck buck, the sovereign of Yavan: and the great horn between his eyes, the first sovereign; that, being broken, four stand in its stead — four sovereigndoms from the goyim stand —but not in his force.  And in the finality of their sovereigndom, the rebels are consummated, and a sovereign of strong face and discerning riddles stands: and his force is mighty —and not by his own force: and he ruins marvelously and prospers and works; and ruins the mighty and the people of the holy one: and through his comprehension deceit also prospers in his hand; and he greatens in his heart and by serenity ruins many: he also stands against the Governor of governors; and is broken by a final hand."
  
  To highlight another example, note the message to the assembly of Smyrna in the Book of Revelation, "So says the first and the last, he who was dead and lives.  I know your trial and your poverty (but you are rich) and the reproach from those who say of themselves Judeans when they are not Judeans but the assembly of Satan."
  
  What if Prince William were a usurper:
  
  
  
  • First one = Yahshua.  Compare William's title PRINCEPS (which means literally "first one").
  • Crown given to Yahshua's faithful who conqueror.  (Rev 2:10-11).  Compare William who wears the British crown and whose name means conqueror. See also Rev 6:2 and 13:7.
  
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  • Note the rich versus poor comparison in Rev 2:9.  Obviously William is 'rich' on this earth, while the blessed of Smyrna are poor, but Yahshua is calculated to flip that paradigm in the future.
  • Note that the blessed of Smyrna are thrown in prison, which is a power that a sovereign like William has.  Under British law, he can even do so for people who 'blaspheme' his crown.  Even to this day, the Crown keeps tight controls on the British media.
  • He who was dead and lives = Yahshua.  Compare the possibility of William fulfilling the prophecy of the beast in Rev 13:3, dying and coming back to life.  Will William become the 7th Caesar to rule Jerusalem? (The 6th was Nero before Jerusalem fell to civil war in 68AD, at which point all legal authority was dead or exiled, and the city was in the control of the lawless). Also on a metaphorical level, the British crown likes to remind its subjects that it 'reigns' today but does not 'rule', such that it may choose to rule again in the future
  • Judean = Yahshua.  Compare William who claims to be Judean through the British-Israeli propaganda campaign, while at the same time William openly participates in occult groups and rituals.
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  Just like Julius Caesar, who allowed (after foreign wars) the erection of a statue of himself during his own lifetime with the inscription DEO INVICTO ("Unvanquished God"), Prince Charles welcomed this statuette of himself as a winged god in Brazil. 
  
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  As the official Prince of Wales (William's title also), Charles said on public television that the British crown is worthy "of earthly worship".  I watched the broadcast on YouTube to confirm - yes, he actually said those words, "of earthly worship".  Do any of us have any intention to worship these people?
  
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  Do we see history potentially repeating itself here? This sort of reciprocal family idolatry is exactly what happened between Caesar Augustus toward Julius Caesar during the Imperial Cult; first Augustus worshiped Julius, and then he made everyone else do it!  Back in those days the worship started small (with little ceremonies and statues) and then it grew outrageous -- the Roman Imperial Cult started with simple statues and speeches praising Julius Caesar, and then it grew into man-god temples after Julius Caesar's death, because his adopted son Octavian and his successors were fond of self-indulgent blasphemies.  The British royals are already following these Roman traditions (i.e., Roman titles for themselves, Roman canon law in their countries, Romanesque ceremonies where they claim to be "of earthly worship"). 
  
  Accordingly, will anything stop Prince Charles's son William from following these same traditions that already claim the British Crown is the effective "king" in Jerusalem?!  Remember, these are just their claims; I am not saying these claims are important to anything outside this world, or even worthy of any Christian's study, just that folks might want to be aware the British royals are both historically and currently asserting claim to the throne of Israel:
  
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  Moreover, I don't want to overemphasize the British throne as some kind of almighty ruling class, lest that somehow downplay or conceal the role of the Jesuits and the ruling bloodline families that utilize and empower the British throne for public consumption of Caesar's continuing kingdom on earth. 
  
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"At the latter period of their reign,
When the transgressors have finished,
A king will arise
Insolent and skilled in intrigue and cunning.

24

"His power will be mighty, but not by his own power;
And he will corrupt and destroy in an astonishing manner
And [he will] prosper and do exactly as he wills;
He shall corrupt and destroy mighty men and the holy people.

25

"And through his shrewdness
He will cause deceit to succeed by his hand (influence);
He will magnify himself in his mind,
He will corrupt and destroy many who enjoy a false sense of security.
He will also stand up and oppose the Prince of princes,
But he will be broken, and that by no human hand [but by the hand of God].

26

"The vision of the evenings and the mornings
Which has been told [to you] is true.
But keep the vision a secret,
For it has to do with many days in the now distant future."

27 And I, Daniel, was exhausted and was sick for [several] days. Afterward I got up and continued with the king's business; but I was astounded at the vision, and there was no one who could explain it.


--Daniel 8



The Children of the Devil

...43"Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45"But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me....

--John 8


This king will be indwelt by Satan.  This is what will make him, not just an antichrist spirit, but the Antichrist himself.

 :2c:

I believe the god of fortresses is Molloch, who is worshipped by many leaders in secret societies around the world. He is also highly regarded in Islam, pronounced "Mallek", their "arch-angel"

Barack Obama appears to be Christian and Muslim. I think the eventual Anti-Christ will be a universalist who appeals to Jews (apostate Jews worshipped Molloch and Ashtoroth), Christians(apostate Chritians followed the teachings of Jezebel- see Revelations). Jezebel seduced Ahab into building temples and idols to Molloch and Ashtoroth, gods of promiscuous sexuality(fertility) and war power- fits the West, esp the U.S.,(supposed bastion of Christianity but now apostate) to a "T". He will take also the mantel of the Islamic prince to come, a re-incarnation of Mohammed or some such thing- essentially he will represent himself as an Avatar.

Avatarism is the religion of Buddhists, Hindus, Bahais and any number of other world religions and almost ALL new age derivatives. Islam also has an avatar like belief in Malek("the gods of the nations are demons")

It is a belief that every few hundred years God incarnates himself( or the universl mind/cosmic consciousnes, etc.) in a human- like the Dalai Lama for instance, he is considered an avatar by his followers, as are many gurus.

He will offer, from this exhalted imagination, peace between religions and nations, but will secretly be preparing a master sweep militarily and spiritually because, as Molly pointed out- he will be indwelt by Satan and become the anti-Christ fulfillment.(For those of us who believe in a literal fulfillment of this, which I do)

The head which Jesus will crush(he(serpent seed) will bruise his(God's seed) heel but He will crush his head.....Genesis prophecy)

Jews will receive him because he will be Jewish. They could never accept anyone else. He will represent himself as "Messiah" and they will make a covenant with him because in addition to all that he will offer them protection.

"I come in my Father's name and you receive me not. Another will come in his own name and him you will receive" was spoken to the Pharisees, Hebrews of Hebrews.

Essentially he will be a master sorcerer, as Molly posted the prophecy from Daniel, and understander of dark sentences(the worship rituals, sacrifices and worship of Molloch, Malek, Ashtoroth)- master of the dark arts.

Most Christians don't believe these things are real but if there was no power available through the dark arts God would not have confused the languages at Babel, which was a ziguarrat of the Chaldean preisthood(read Hislop's  The Two Babylons if you are interested, he ties the gods of Egypt and Persia/Assyria/ Greece/ Rome, etc. together archeologically)- if there was no power in witchcraft.

In Acts a whole town of people worshipped and served a sorcerer name Elimas who dazzled them with dark arts until the gospel came through Paul and whupped him, just as the gospel will whup the anti-christ.


Please observe these thoughts as barely formed musings and speculations on my part, not some doctrine on the end-times. I only posted it because there may be some points of interest for shade tree eschatolgists like me :o)

The facts about Molloch and Ashtoroth are, however, accurate- but I draw my own conclusions from those facts.

Jeraboam son of Nebat was a protype of the Anti-Christ.

He was Jewish.....even called by YHWH to serve.... but rebelled and built gods for Israel and said, "These are your Gods O Israel", and they were Molloch(bull) images placed at Dan and Beersheba(southernmost and northermost cities in Israel).

He drove out the Levites. Instituted a new preisthood. Placed a statue to Dagon the fish God next to the altar to YHWH in his temple, and sought to(and did) change the times and seasons and fests. This is also prophesied of the anti-christ. The similarities are stunning.

The house of Israel, the northern kingdom also known as Ephraim and Joseph, was divorced by God and driven from the land because of their worship of false gods.  They were taken to Assyria, then they went missing among the nations.  But in the place where it was said to them, "You are not my people," they shall be called, "sons of the Living God."



"Put the horn to your lips! Men who hate us are coming like an eagle to fight against the house of the Lord, because the people of Israel have sinned against My agreement and would not obey My Law.  2 They cry out to Me, 'My God, we of Israel know You!'  3 Israel has turned away from the good, and those who hate him will come after him.  4 They have set up kings, but not by Me. They have chosen leaders, but I did not know it. They have made false gods for themselves out of silver and gold, so they will be destroyed.  5 O Samaria, I will have nothing to do with the calf you worship. My anger burns against them! How long will it be before they are pure  6 in Israel? A workman made this calf, so it is not God. The calf of Samaria will be broken to pieces.  7 They plant the wind and they will gather the storm. The standing grain has no heads, and will give no food. If it were to give food, strangers would eat it.

8 "Israel is eaten up. They are now among the nations like a pot that is of no worth.  9 They have gone up to Assyria like a wild donkey all alone. Ephraim has hired lovers.  10 Even when they hire people among the nations to help them, I will now gather them together. And they will begin to waste away because the powerful king will make it hard for them.

11 "When Israel was a child, I loved him. And I called My son out of Egypt.  2 The more I called them, the more they went from Me. They kept giving gifts in worship to the Baals and burning special perfume to false gods.  3 Yet it was I who taught Ephraim to walk. I took them in My arms. But they did not know that I healed them.  4 I led them with ropes of human kindness, with ties of love. I lifted the load from their neck and went down to feed them.

8 "How can I give you up, O Ephraim? How can I give you up, O Israel? How can I make you like Admah? How can I make you like Zeboiim? My heart will not let Me do it. I love you very much.  9 I will not do anything in My burning anger. I will not destroy Ephraim again. For I am God and not man. I am the Holy One among you, and I will not come in anger. 10 They will follow the Lord, and He will make noise like a lion. Yes, He will make noise like a lion, and His children will come from the west shaking with fear.  11 They will come shaking like birds from Egypt, and like doves from the land of Assyria. And I will return them to their homes," says the Lord.


12 "The wrong-doing of Ephraim is being kept. His sin is being stored up.  13 The pains like a woman giving birth will come upon him, but he is not a wise son. He is not willing to be born.  14 I will pay the price to free them from the power of the grave. I will save them from death. O Death, where are your thorns? O Grave, where is your power to destroy?


Hosea's Last Words to Israel

14 Return to the Lord your God, O Israel, for you have fallen because of your sin.  2 Take words with you and return to the Lord. Say to Him, "Take away all sin, and receive us in kindness, that we may praise You with our lips.  3 Assyria will not save us. We will not ride on horses. And we will never say again, 'Our god,' to what we have made with our hands. For those who have no father find loving-kindness in You."

New Life for Israel

4 "I will bring My people back to Me. I will not hold back My love from them, for I am no longer angry with them.  5 I will be to Israel like the water on the grass in the early morning. He will grow like the lily, and have roots like the cedars of Lebanon.  6 His young branches will spread out and his beauty will be like the olive tree. His smell will be like the cedars of Lebanon.  7 Those who live in his shadow will grow like grain and like flowers of the vine. He will be known like the wine of Lebanon.

8 "O Ephraim, what have I to do with false gods? It is I Who answer and take care of you. I am like a green cypress tree. Your fruit comes from Me."

9 Whoever is wise, let him understand these things and know them. For the ways of the Lord are right, and those who are right and good will follow them, but sinners will not follow them.

--Hosea 8-14New Life Version (NLV)


There are pyramids on every continent of the world.

Quote from: Molly on December 05, 2015, 09:50:34 PM
...
This king will be indwelt by Satan.  This is what will make him, not just an antichrist spirit, but the Antichrist himself.
...
There are pyramids on every continent of the world.

There is significant evidence that the London 2012 Olympic ceremonies were designed around Satanic purposes, and if so, they may be the largest Satanic rituals the world has ever known given the billions of people who focused upon them: 2012 London Olympics - Occult Symbolism (http://theopenscroll.blogspot.com/2012/02/series-links-2012-london-olympics.html); See also this (http://mysteryoftheiniquity.com/olympic-madness/antichrist-symbolic-symbiosis-pt-1-of-3/).

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(http://s23.postimg.org/7czdynkor/olympics_baby1.jpg)
(http://s23.postimg.org/t9hbla8hn/pyramid1.jpg)
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Further, if it was Satanic, then perhaps the people were right who suggested there was also Satanic blood ritual occurring underneath the stadium as the world was focused on the ceremony.

I don't claim to know or understand Satan, but the Olympics sure looked Satanic:

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Are all those pictures from the Olympics? Insane! We got rid of TV years ago and whenever I catch something on at someone's house I really am shocked (for example the Grammys seems satanic to me and halftime shows, etc.) before believing in UR it caused a lot of fear for me. I used to get into the whole conspiracy/illuminati thing but I have had to distance myself because of the effect it had on me (fear, anxiety, etc) plus for me it makes me feel helpless, because this stuff exists and I can do anything to change that fact, I guess only God can and I will trust him to be in control.

Quote from: GodIsLove on December 07, 2015, 01:54:38 AM
Are all those pictures from the Olympics? Insane! We got rid of TV years ago and whenever I catch something on at someone's house I really am shocked (for example the Grammys seems satanic to me and halftime shows, etc.) before believing in UR it caused a lot of fear for me. I used to get into the whole conspiracy/illuminati thing but I have had to distance myself because of the effect it had on me (fear, anxiety, etc) plus for me it makes me feel helpless, because this stuff exists and I can do anything to change that fact, I guess only God can and I will trust him to be in control.

It does seem a little insane, I agree.  And yes, every picture in my last post is from the 2012 London Olympics, except this one was from the Queen of England's 'Diamond Jubilee' the month earlier (June 2012) to celebrate her 50-years of monarchy:

(http://s23.postimg.org/owis2uzqz/154241404.jpg)

Also, the pyramid at the bottom of this picture was not at the London Olympics, but rather was included by the person to demonstrate the occult connection:

(http://s8.postimg.org/6j44vgu05/2lcpb94.jpg)

That's probably a good thing that these occult images offend something inside of you, and that you realize what's happening at the Grammy's and Super Bowl, etc.  Indeed, you're probably better off not having a TV, because you're less likely to give away your focus/power to the occult.   

The little horn appears to be a figurehead, which I think is the point - it gets your attention/focus.  It certainly got the attention of Daniel in Daniel 7:19-27.

This is all....well....so amazing :Chinscratch:

Quote from: Molly on December 06, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
The house of Israel, the northern kingdom also known as Ephraim and Joseph, was divorced by God and driven from the land because of their worship of false gods.  They were taken to Assyria, then they went missing among the nations.  But in the place where it was said to them, "You are not my people," they shall be called, "sons of the Living God."



"Put the horn to your lips! Men who hate us are coming like an eagle to fight against the house of the Lord, because the people of Israel have sinned against My agreement and would not obey My Law.  2 They cry out to Me, 'My God, we of Israel know You!'  3 Israel has turned away from the good, and those who hate him will come after him.  4 They have set up kings, but not by Me. They have chosen leaders, but I did not know it. They have made false gods for themselves out of silver and gold, so they will be destroyed.  5 O Samaria, I will have nothing to do with the calf you worship. My anger burns against them! How long will it be before they are pure  6 in Israel? A workman made this calf, so it is not God. The calf of Samaria will be broken to pieces.  7 They plant the wind and they will gather the storm. The standing grain has no heads, and will give no food. If it were to give food, strangers would eat it.

8 "Israel is eaten up. They are now among the nations like a pot that is of no worth.  9 They have gone up to Assyria like a wild donkey all alone. Ephraim has hired lovers.  10 Even when they hire people among the nations to help them, I will now gather them together. And they will begin to waste away because the powerful king will make it hard for them.

11 "When Israel was a child, I loved him. And I called My son out of Egypt.  2 The more I called them, the more they went from Me. They kept giving gifts in worship to the Baals and burning special perfume to false gods.  3 Yet it was I who taught Ephraim to walk. I took them in My arms. But they did not know that I healed them.  4 I led them with ropes of human kindness, with ties of love. I lifted the load from their neck and went down to feed them.

8 "How can I give you up, O Ephraim? How can I give you up, O Israel? How can I make you like Admah? How can I make you like Zeboiim? My heart will not let Me do it. I love you very much.  9 I will not do anything in My burning anger. I will not destroy Ephraim again. For I am God and not man. I am the Holy One among you, and I will not come in anger. 10 They will follow the Lord, and He will make noise like a lion. Yes, He will make noise like a lion, and His children will come from the west shaking with fear.  11 They will come shaking like birds from Egypt, and like doves from the land of Assyria. And I will return them to their homes," says the Lord.


12 "The wrong-doing of Ephraim is being kept. His sin is being stored up.  13 The pains like a woman giving birth will come upon him, but he is not a wise son. He is not willing to be born.  14 I will pay the price to free them from the power of the grave. I will save them from death. O Death, where are your thorns? O Grave, where is your power to destroy?


Hosea's Last Words to Israel

14 Return to the Lord your God, O Israel, for you have fallen because of your sin.  2 Take words with you and return to the Lord. Say to Him, "Take away all sin, and receive us in kindness, that we may praise You with our lips.  3 Assyria will not save us. We will not ride on horses. And we will never say again, 'Our god,' to what we have made with our hands. For those who have no father find loving-kindness in You."

New Life for Israel

4 "I will bring My people back to Me. I will not hold back My love from them, for I am no longer angry with them.  5 I will be to Israel like the water on the grass in the early morning. He will grow like the lily, and have roots like the cedars of Lebanon.  6 His young branches will spread out and his beauty will be like the olive tree. His smell will be like the cedars of Lebanon.  7 Those who live in his shadow will grow like grain and like flowers of the vine. He will be known like the wine of Lebanon.

8 "O Ephraim, what have I to do with false gods? It is I Who answer and take care of you. I am like a green cypress tree. Your fruit comes from Me."

9 Whoever is wise, let him understand these things and know them. For the ways of the Lord are right, and those who are right and good will follow them, but sinners will not follow them.

--Hosea 8-14New Life Version (NLV)


There are pyramids on every continent of the world.

Wow Molly. Insightful stuff. Much to study.

This all happened in London in 2012 when Prince William was 30-years old, the same age that the Messiah began His ministry.  It's been approximately 3.5 years since then, around the same time when the Messiah was crucified by the Romans.  What do you guys think?  Do you agree with Prince Charles that the English throne is worthy "of earthly worship"...

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This still just so amazing

 

  The Lord God has given  satan   the ability to walk up and down  to and fro  in the earth    [world ]

When you look at the world and all its pomp   ,  you have to ask , Where is God in all this  mess ??

That confusion  , because the world does not know God !!  no flesh and blood inherits God kingdom and we know the Kingdom of God is within you    ..

It is Spirit and Light and Life    of TRUTH ..

  1 John 3 1 John 4
3 See ywhat kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are.


The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared;


but we know that when he appears    we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.



3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.


4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; jsin is lawlessness.

5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.



6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; nno one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

7 Little children, olet no one deceive you.

Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.


8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning.

The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.


10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.


Love One Another

11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.


12 We should not be like xCain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother.

And why did he murder him? yBecause his own deeds were evil and his brother's righteous.

13 Do not be surprised, brothers,that the world hates you.


14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death.


15 b Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.


16 By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and ewe ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.


17 But fif anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet gcloses his heart against him, hhow does God's love abide in him?


18 Little children, let us not ilove in word or talk but in deed and in truth.



19 By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him;


20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.


21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;


22 and mwhatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.



23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.


24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God,4 and God5 in him. And sby this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.


  Simple truth  Love God first and foremost being obedient to His Word  [LOVE if lacking ask Him for it]     that is to love all and want what is best for them  , just as you are  in  the same  need and grace of God ....

  Jesus told us all to  pray for the    LORD OF HARVEST   to send out more  laborers of harvest    ...


  Matt  9 The Sheep and the Harvest
...37Then He said to His disciples, "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. 38"Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest."

    The abiding in death is   the world   not knowing   THE LOVE OF  GOD still hating one another ............

"When you look at the world and all its pomp   ,  you have to ask , Where is God in all this  mess ??" Rosered

Right smack at the head of all this mess.  :dsunny: Col. 1:16-17 :HeartThrob:

Yes. its almost like.......

I saw the Lord and He was chewing on His knockles saying- what am I gonna do about the Prince of Wales!!!!! What am I GONNA DO!

11For thus the LORD spoke to me with mighty power and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,

      12"You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!'
            In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy,
            And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it.

      13"It is the LORD of hosts whom you should regard as holy.
            And He shall be your fear,
            And He shall be your dread.

      14"Then He shall become a sanctuary;
            But to both the houses of Israel, a stone to strike and a rock to stumble over,
            And a snare and a trap for the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

      15"Many will stumble over them,
            Then they will fall and be broken;
            They will even be snared and caught."

      16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 17And I will wait for the LORD who is hiding His face from the house of Jacob; I will even look eagerly for Him. 18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.


God is in control. :o)

 :goodpost: :happyclap: :dsunny:

  I received those very same versus..about 12-18 months ago..when I was on the internet reading all that kind of conspiracy stuff...

   there is so very very much of all that stuff..you can never figure out what the truth is.  IT IS A DISTRACTION FROM WHAT

  WE NEED TO BE CENTERED ON> HIM!!!            :girlheart:

   

Quote from: micah7:9 on December 07, 2015, 10:00:32 PM
"When you look at the world and all its pomp   ,  you have to ask , Where is God in all this  mess ??" Rosered

Right smack at the head of all this mess.  :dsunny: Col. 1:16-17 :HeartThrob:

That confusion  , because the world does not know God !!

  That is exactly what I am saying too ... as the scriptures testify     1 John 3 .

  Most assurdly GOD IS IN CONTROL   
  MOST have not  even begun to  live yet in the Spirit  and  those whom have begun and aged   died in the Lord   because the world hates them and crucifies them  Just as the did the LORD HIMSELF  !!      :dsunny:    :HeartThrob:

 :iagree:

Personally I believe we could have awhile to go. According to the Jewish calendar it is 5776 so if you subscribe to the 6000 year/6day theory(a thousand years is as a day)......none of us may see the end of the age.

In whatever generation we live, the beginning or the end, centering on Him is the ark of safety- not figuring out where the next anti-Christ is coming from.

Quote from: eaglesway on December 07, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
:iagree:

Personally I believe we could have awhile to go. According to the Jewish calendar it is 5776 so if you subscribe to the 6000 year/6day theory(a thousand years is as a day)......none of us may see the end of the age.

In whatever generation we live, the beginning or the end, centering on Him is the ark of safety- not figuring out where the next anti-Christ is coming from.

  :iagree:  Exactly John !!!    :icon_flower:

       

Quote from: sheila on December 07, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
  I received those very same versus..about 12-18 months ago..when I was on the internet reading all that kind of conspiracy stuff...

   there is so very very much of all that stuff..you can never figure out what the truth is.  IT IS A DISTRACTION FROM WHAT

  WE NEED TO BE CENTERED ON> HIM!!!            :girlheart:

Okay, thanks for sharing.  I wasn't intending this thread, Sheila, to be a distraction.  It is posted in the sub-forum Book of Revelation... about 1/3 of that book deals with kings and war and demons and Satan and man-god blasphemies.  Matthew 24:4-5, "Yeshua answered and said to them, "Beware that no man will deceive you. For many will come in my name, and they will say. 'I AM THE LIVING GOD', The Messiah', and they will deceive many."

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I'm just trying to echo that admonition here, because the hard evidence shows the British crown is actively claiming "earthly worship" and actively seeking to connect their throne to Solomon through the occult - they are actively claiming the throne of Israel through British-Israelism for public consumption/belief.  And it is currently working on the public!  They have literally spent untold billion$ to make Prince William look like a 'king arthur' messiah figure.  And as things stand today, people of all different religious persuasions adore the man, even though the family's occult and Satanic connections can be traced through the British crown in the most harrowing manner: http://www.cainite.net/ 

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I think these findings may be useful to some students as they research Revelation.  If you think it's a distraction, okay, but please leave room for a little diversity among Christians who may feel otherwise as they study.

Also, remember the conclusion of my original post: "Take it all together, and William/Wales sure looks suspicious. But hey, these things are complex and we can still keep an open mind ... pray for William's salvation and comfort."

Quote from: eaglesway on December 07, 2015, 10:46:28 PM

Personally I believe we could have awhile to go. According to the Jewish calendar it is 5776 so if you subscribe to the 6000 year/6day theory(a thousand years is as a day)......none of us may see the end of the age.

In whatever generation we live, the beginning or the end, centering on Him is the ark of safety- not figuring out where the next anti-Christ is coming from.

The Messiah commanded us in Matthew 24 to watch and beware of false messiahs. Prince William is literally claiming the throne of David.  An entire worldwide propaganda campaign exists to convince people his family comes from the bloodline of Jesus.

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Tracking evidence here helps us ensure the reliability of history, and it also protects people from deception.   The Book of Revelation itself (in the message to Sardis) also considers 'watching' a valuable trait.

Figuring out where the next anti-christ is coming from is very useful to end-times study.  If you're correct as you wrote " I believe we could have awhile to go" then this evidence about the British Crown will be useful to people appreciating typologies, and also future researchers to track those typologies.  If you're incorrect, and these are the days of Rev 13, then the risks of not watching may be all the more imminent.  Accordingly, either way it is logical to be aware of this significant evidence if it is indeed significant.

14"Then He shall become a sanctuary;
            But to both the houses of Israel, a stone to strike and a rock to stumble over,
            And a snare and a trap for the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

      15"Many will stumble over them,
            Then they will fall and be broken;
            They will even be snared and caught."



The Messiah will be a rock to stumble over to both the House of Judah and the House of Israel.

The 12 tribes of Israel were split into two houses with two kings after King Solomon because of Solomon's sin.   They have never yet come together, as God promises they will again, and He is dealing with each house separately.

He separates and sets apart, sets apart, until he brings them together in a new way.

He is dealing with the house of Israel first, in the form of the Christian church.  We who were divorced by God will be the bride of Christ.  The Jews are still married to Him.

Jesus came the first time as Messiah ben Joseph.  He came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, his bride, the descendants of Joseph, the double portioned ones of Ephraim and Manasseh, Jacob's half Gentile sons adopted by Jacob and given the birth right blessing and the name, Israel as their inheritance.

He will come the second time as Messiah ben David, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, to save the Jews, as Paul tells us in Romans chapter 11, and so all Israel will be saved!

The book from beginning to end is the greatest love story ever told for us literal readers.

It is easy to see where the house of Judah stumbled over the Messiah, but where are we, the Christian church, stumbling?   It's easier to see the spec in the other's eye.

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10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

--Hosea 1

QuoteThe Messiah commanded us in Matthew 24 to watch and beware of false messiahs. Prince William is literally claiming the throne of David.  An entire worldwide propaganda campaign exists to convince people his family comes from the bloodline of Jesus.]The Messiah commanded us in Matthew 24 to watch and beware of false messiahs. Prince William is literally claiming the throne of David.  An entire worldwide propaganda campaign exists to convince people his family comes from the bloodline of Jesus.

Figuring out where the next anti-christ is coming from may be useful for studying eschatology on some level, but this site is for the promotion of the gospel of the Salvation of All and the Restoration of All Things. I am not trying to be critical of anyone's view- but we do want to maintain TM as a place where when people come to seek information about the salvation of all they are not seeing nothing but threads about peripheral issues. There are sites for the study eschatology and for dicussing and debating the traditional doctrinal issues upon which Christians most often speculate and discuss. This is not that site.

When issues are discussed it should be with a view to "an administration suitable to the fulness of times, the gathering together of all things into one in Christ, whether things in heavenor things on earth" (Eph 1).

We dont necessarily discourage discussions of other things- especcially from the standpoint of helping new Christians with their general understanding, but it is better to keep even those discussions centered in the manna and milk of spiritual growth and who our God and Father is, as well as who Jesus our Lord is.(the radiance of the Father's glory and exact representation of His nature Heb 1:1-3).

When I get on the home page and see that almost all the recent posts are on these tangental issues then I become concerned that we are not only not making progress in our true mission, we are working contrary to it by representing ourselves as "no different" than other Christian debate sites- of which there are so many- we are fooling ourselves and pursuing vanity if we think we can do those other things and also do a good job at what we are called to here.

Typically I would never make a statement like this but here goes......

We are workers in a particular field here. Bringing to light the glory of the Father's purpose in creation and His plan to bring all things into Himself in the final full redemption- to become ALL IN ALL. This is the gospel and I am a warrior for it. Dedicated. Undeterred. Refusing to be distracted and relentless(by the grace of God and His working in me through His Word and His Spirit) in the pursuit of that mission.

We try to be liberal and polite about it, but we will always come back to it- and I start making some noise when I feel we are getting away from it.

It is not personal, it is not me judging anyone's views. It is me being faithful to the stewardship and the opportunity to distribute the particular grace God has given us.

For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; 7 if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; 8 or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulnes.(Rom 12)

Our function here is not to debate and discuss the same ol divisive stuff that clings to the church like a moldy fungus.

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith [d]by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.(1 Cor 12)

I honestly believe there are people who have gifts in apologetics and delving into eschatology and rightly dividing general doctrine.... but those gifts are only useful here if they come back around to the purpose for which we are established, so it is not an invalidation of those gifts, but a focus on God-given function and purpose that I am explaining here.

We are in some danger of so watering down that message  with other stuff that we lose our relevance and miss the purpose for which the site is established.

 I'm sorry Greg....I spoke to my own delving in these things to the exclusion of more important things. I had not heard of this

particular issue of Prince William.  I will watch where it is concerned. I did not mean to speak of something you feel so passionately about

  and that may be your portion to share,as a mere distraction. It is just that I became distracted,like I said, awhile back..to where

  I spent hours and hours everyday reading about such things.    :friendstu:

Quote from: eaglesway on December 08, 2015, 01:23:32 AM

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Figuring out where the next anti-christ is coming from may be useful for studying eschatology on some level, but this site is for the promotion of the gospel of the Salvation of All and the Restoration of All Things. I am not trying to be critical of anyone's view- but we do want to maintain TM as a place where when people come to seek information about the salvation of all they are not seeing nothing but threads about peripheral issues. There are sites for the study eschatology and for dicussing and debating the traditional doctrinal issues upon which Christians most often speculate and discuss. This is not that site.
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We are in some danger of so watering down that message  with other stuff that we lose our relevance and miss the purpose for which the site is established.

I can appreciate that.  Please allow me to try to bring this full circle then to the topic you requested -- in my bible study of the oldest known copy on earth of the Aramaic Book of Revelation (called the Crawford Codex), I found a unique insight on the little horn's potential repentance and salvation...

In Revelation 17:10, the conventional translation is "And there are seven Kings; five have fallen and one is, and there is another not yet come, and when he comes, a little remaining time is given to him."

However, in the literal Aramaic text the expression translated "remaining" is actually lmkThru, which means "to be waiting" or "to be turning around" or "to be continuing".  This word therefore presents a fascinating possibility of turning/repentance for the seventh king.

Sure Greg. You are welcome to continue. I really wasnt singling you out, so I reposted that post on the Forum guidelines page as a focal point for all.

I have made similar posts on other threads as well.

I agree with John about keeping things on the UR track. One thing I will point out (though Greg and I already had our debate over this William thread) is that the description of this particular sub-forum is something along the lines of "a place to discuss the book of Revelation", and it does not mention UR in the heading (I think it is actually the only sub-forum description that does not refer to UR in some manner). Perhaps it can be amended to something more UR-explicit, like "a place to discuss Revelation in the light of UR"? That might clarify it more for new people joining, who might see the current description as an open invitation to focus on world events to the exclusion of UR? It might also make everyone more focused on drawing out UR from that worthy book.

Quote from: Shev on December 08, 2015, 02:03:47 AM
I agree with John about keeping things on the UR track. One thing I will point out (though Greg and I already had our debate over this William thread) is that the description of this particular sub-forum is something along the lines of "a place to discuss the book of Revelation", and it does not mention UR in the heading (I think it is actually the only sub-forum description that does not refer to UR in some manner). Perhaps it can be amended to something more UR-explicit, like "a place to discuss Revelation in the light of UR"? That might clarify it more for new people joining, who might see the current description as an open invitation to focus on world events to the exclusion of UR? It might also make everyone more focused on drawing out UR from that worthy book.

Done.   :thumbsup:

I have found the things you posted interesting, greg.  We do have a forum issue with various images though as noted here earlier. 

http://tentmaker.org/forum/rules-and-faq/forum-maintenance-13500/msg191194/#msg191194

Unfortunately the settings of the forum will likely be further changed again (our tech person, Karen/Techelp is looking at things further) so the images may not be able to stay up.  We're waiting to hear from definitively from Gary.  Hopefully everything can be linked to your site so folks can go there to see them, with maybe a note describing what they should be looking for.  We'll see what happens in the next day or two.  Thanks.

Quote from: sheila on December 07, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
  I received those very same versus..about 12-18 months ago..when I was on the internet reading all that kind of conspiracy stuff...

   there is so very very much of all that stuff..you can never figure out what the truth is.  IT IS A DISTRACTION FROM WHAT

  WE NEED TO BE CENTERED ON> HIM!!!            :girlheart:

Sheila, I too periodically find myself wrapped up in conspiracy stuff, stuff that may be true but I could never determine if it was and that would drive me crazy too...I then regret the time wasted, because:

James 1:27:
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

And my am I guilty of not visiting the widows and orphans. And tending to the least of my brothers and sisters.

Greg, I see these images and am glad we all see what others are blind to. But dwelling on this stuff, for ME personally, is a distraction.

I like the "many hearts but all the body of Christ" verses, EW. There is a song with those verses that we used to sing at church and out of nowhere I have been humming it lately. I think it's a good one to meditate on when we get caught up in debating the peripherals.

Rose, thanks as always for your input :)

 :thumbsup:  it bought drove me crazy too!  :girlheart:

Quote from: Shev on December 02, 2015, 10:50:30 PM

And just to show how it is easy to make conjectures and "coincidences" about famous people, I have randomly selected Jack Nicklaus the golfer to (hopefully humorously) demonstrate why he could easily be made out to be an "end times villain":

1 - Jack is derived from 'Jacob', meaning supplanter. Jack Nicklaus is going to supplant the truth with his diabolical web of deception, and supplant the kings of the earth with his throne.
2 - Nicklaus sounds similar to 'Nicolaitan'. This proves Jack Nicklaus holds to that doctrine.
3 - Jack Nicklaus is from Columbus, Ohio, which is named after the explorer who established a new world. This is a metaphor for the one world government Jack Nicklaus will establish.
4 - There are 12 letters in 'Jack Nicklaus' which shows he will exert power over the twelve tribes of Israel.
5 - Jack Nicklaus won 18 majors, which is 6 + 6 + 6. I just got chills.
6 - To 'nick' in English slang, is to steal, and also to arrest someone, showing the crafty and criminal nature of Jack Nicklaus.
7 - Jack Nicklaus always wore yellow on a championship Sunday. This was a reference to the gold head of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's vision.
8 - He was born in Upper Arlington, Ohio, which shares the name with a famous cemetery, showing he is the bringer of death.
9 - His famous book was called 'Golf My Way' showing he walked in his own way, and not a spiritual path.
10 - He was famous for playing Golf, which shares a name with a car made by Volkswagen, who came to the fore in Nazi Germany.

Does anyone still doubt Jack Nicklaus is not all he seems?

Dear Shev, this may have a humorous aspect but it would be, in my opinion, an excellent example of what could be part of a syllabus in religious studies in schools as to what the human mind can achieve when it wants to.

    :laugh2: :laugh2: it's so true.. we humans are so imaginative!

I think most like a good riddle too.. I know I do.. biblical ones anyway.. biblically speaking, fire brought upon earth is an intriguing clue.. and really about the only one.. since the theory of evolution declares all men to 'be god'.. (um, talk about imaginative!.. fish to man, whale to cow.. squirrel to bird..)

Quote from: lastpost on March 12, 2016, 09:50:08 PM

Quote from: Shev on December 02, 2015, 10:50:30 PM

And just to show how it is easy to make conjectures and "coincidences" about famous people, I have randomly selected Jack Nicklaus the golfer to (hopefully humorously) demonstrate why he could easily be made out to be an "end times villain":

1 - Jack is derived from 'Jacob', meaning supplanter. Jack Nicklaus is going to supplant the truth with his diabolical web of deception, and supplant the kings of the earth with his throne.
2 - Nicklaus sounds similar to 'Nicolaitan'. This proves Jack Nicklaus holds to that doctrine.
3 - Jack Nicklaus is from Columbus, Ohio, which is named after the explorer who established a new world. This is a metaphor for the one world government Jack Nicklaus will establish.
4 - There are 12 letters in 'Jack Nicklaus' which shows he will exert power over the twelve tribes of Israel.
5 - Jack Nicklaus won 18 majors, which is 6 + 6 + 6. I just got chills.
6 - To 'nick' in English slang, is to steal, and also to arrest someone, showing the crafty and criminal nature of Jack Nicklaus.
7 - Jack Nicklaus always wore yellow on a championship Sunday. This was a reference to the gold head of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's vision.
8 - He was born in Upper Arlington, Ohio, which shares the name with a famous cemetery, showing he is the bringer of death.
9 - His famous book was called 'Golf My Way' showing he walked in his own way, and not a spiritual path.
10 - He was famous for playing Golf, which shares a name with a car made by Volkswagen, who came to the fore in Nazi Germany.

Does anyone still doubt Jack Nicklaus is not all he seems?

Dear Shev, this may have a humorous aspect but it would be, in my opinion, an excellent example of what could be part of a syllabus in religious studies in schools as to what the human mind can achieve when it wants to.

Thank you lastpost. I find confirmation bias a fascinating subject, as it is so hard to be free from. If we want something to be true, we have minds that can sift through the facts and choose those that suit our hypothesis, discarding those that are inconvenient. I find that this happens especially frequently in end time date setting - where all manner of mathematical feats are accomplished to prove that such and such is the date we should be focused upon - and also in "anti-Christ identification". Oh, and numerology also, where words and dates will be parsed, piecemealed and scotch taped back together to somehow add up to 13, or some other significant number.

The only reliable truth is in the person of Jesus Christ, and all that the Father has revealed through Him. The more things drift away from that focus, the more treacherous the ground becomes.

Quote from: marie glen on March 13, 2016, 01:11:27 AM

    :laugh2: :laugh2: it's so true.. we humans are so imaginative!

I think most like a good riddle too.. I know I do.. biblical ones anyway.. biblically speaking, fire brought upon earth is an intriguing clue.. and really about the only one.. since the theory of evolution declares all men to 'be god'.. (um, talk about imaginative!.. fish to man, whale to cow.. squirrel to bird..)

Yes Marie! I feel as though it takes more "faith" (in a manner of speaking) to believe that we all came from primordial sludge and evolved to our present state, than to believe the actual truth of an invisible God!

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: the theory scoffs at the resurrection.. virgin birth.. etc.. but believe "in the beginning there was nothing, it exploded and became everything" not realizing what an immaculate conception thAt would be! Taught as fact, but full of holes.. Many think it's somehow been proven to be true.. but all it is, is conjecture built upon conjecture.. no foundation.. "peer" pressure is what it mostly is! Can't get your papers published otherwise.. Grants denied, etc.. the 'god' of the theory is time.. but top mathematicians say, no way.. No odds of it happening no matter how much 'time'... Carbon dating can only date to about 5000 years is what I've read also (if I'm remembering right)..