Lake of fire?

[Seth]

The idea that the fire that sons of the evil one endure in this life is sufficient is just not realistic(from a scriptural view, since Jesus explains His own parable about the tares and "the end of the age"), especially for those who are reprobate and predatory and adamantly opposed. That such pure rebellion exists may seem a stretch to some....but not to me, and the scripture supports this view.  A major emphasis in the exhortation to "overcome" is to attain to the first resurrection to avoid the second death. Our rewards are in this age and the ages to come as well.

I think this is an important point to make. I believe that all are in the LOF until they cross the door (Christ) into the city. However, that crossing into the gate, I do not believe occurs simply at resurrection of the wicked, but in the HEALING of the wicked, the purification (ie the response of the unhealed to "drink the water of life").

Thus, while I tend to see the LOF as occurring now, I also see it occurring to come until God is all in all. In Romans 8, we see a description of two types of people that Paul describes, coinciding with an event that he looked forward to (that we all do).

"The Sons of God"
"Creation"

The creation is bound to vanity.
The Sons receive that creation into their glorious liberty.

It is at that reception into glorious liberty that creation crosses the threshold into the city. I agree, that does not happen in this life for all people, and will occur, I believe, in the ages to come.

[Doc]

 In the story of the prodigal son, there still is the son that stayed at his Father's side the WHOLE time, who never left and squandered his inheritance.  Who is that son??  

I didn't see that anyone else had responded to this, so I thought I would chime in here on this one.

The son who stayed by the Father's side the whole time, regardless of whom you think he represents, had a pretty bad and self-righteous attitude, and didn't "get it", regarding welcoming the prodigal home. Instead of rejoicing, he complained that the Father showed grace to the prodigal. Not someone I'd want to be identified with, anyway... :winkgrin:

[Zeek]

 In the story of the prodigal son, there still is the son that stayed at his Father's side the WHOLE time, who never left and squandered his inheritance.  Who is that son??  

I didn't see that anyone else had responded to this, so I thought I would chime in here on this one.

The son who stayed by the Father's side the whole time, regardless of whom you think he represents, had a pretty bad and self-righteous attitude, and didn't "get it", regarding welcoming the prodigal home. Instead of rejoicing, he complained that the Father showed grace to the prodigal. Not someone I'd want to be identified with, anyway... :winkgrin:

Unless, he was being graced by the Father, as he stayed by his side, staying faithful to the end. 

[Gilbert]

and if all go through lake of fire for purification

Depends on what you mean by "purification." Purification is essentially destruction for the purpose of making pure. But that destruction may come in different forms. To the proud, it's:  "deliver him over to Satan for destruction of the flesh so his spirit may be saved in the day of the lord." Not the kind of purification I want. Jesus warned his followers to stay away from Gehenna, to not let it get to the point where the whole body must be defiled there for destruction unto purity.

But to the humble: "for the grace of God which brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us to become Godly in this present age" (major paraphrase but hopefully you understand).

So the question is, how do you want to be purified: through grace, or by being handed over to satan?

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yeah, I gotta throw one of these:    :thumbsup:  in there too.

Thanks. Talking about Revelation can be intimidating which is why I usually steer clear, because I don't want to make claims of things I know nothing about. That is why I am presenting this as just my idea of what the LOF may be representing in relation to the more plain teachings in the epistles. These are just ideas I have about it, not dogmatic about it at all.

Ummm, would I be wasting my time to throw in some comments concerning the 'Lake of Fire' as discussed in this Post?
Like, is this Thread considered dead an' gone sortta' thing?

[Zeek]

I didn't see that anyone else had responded to this, so I thought I would chime in here on this one.

The son who stayed by the Father's side the whole time, regardless of whom you think he represents, had a pretty bad and self-righteous attitude, and didn't "get it", regarding welcoming the prodigal home. Instead of rejoicing, he complained that the Father showed grace to the prodigal. Not someone I'd want to be identified with, anyway... :winkgrin:

Unless, he was being graced by the Father, as he stayed by his side, staying faithful to the end. 





Notice, that the prodigal son "perished"

Luk 15:17  But when he came to himself he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish here with hunger!


but whoever believes on HIM will NEVER perish.


and the one u wouldn't want to be identified with,

the FATHER said this of Him

Luk 15:31  And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

Luk 15:32  It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

[Seth]

I didn't see that anyone else had responded to this, so I thought I would chime in here on this one.

The son who stayed by the Father's side the whole time, regardless of whom you think he represents, had a pretty bad and self-righteous attitude, and didn't "get it", regarding welcoming the prodigal home. Instead of rejoicing, he complained that the Father showed grace to the prodigal. Not someone I'd want to be identified with, anyway... :winkgrin:

Unless, he was being graced by the Father, as he stayed by his side, staying faithful to the end. 





Notice, that the prodigal son "perished"

Luk 15:17  But when he came to himself he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish here with hunger!


but whoever believes on HIM will NEVER perish.


and the one u wouldn't want to be identified with,

the FATHER said this of Him

Luk 15:31  And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

Luk 15:32  It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Sorry,
I must have missed that question about the Prodigal Son.

Perhaps the son who never left, was being shown, through grace that his heart was never above the prodigal son all along. The Prodigal son on the other hand had a passion to go his own way, so found himself with the fruit of it. Both sons were purified, one through admonishment and kindness, and the other through being turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit could live.

[Zeek]

I didn't see that anyone else had responded to this, so I thought I would chime in here on this one.

The son who stayed by the Father's side the whole time, regardless of whom you think he represents, had a pretty bad and self-righteous attitude, and didn't "get it", regarding welcoming the prodigal home. Instead of rejoicing, he complained that the Father showed grace to the prodigal. Not someone I'd want to be identified with, anyway... :winkgrin:

Unless, he was being graced by the Father, as he stayed by his side, staying faithful to the end. 





Notice, that the prodigal son "perished"

Luk 15:17  But when he came to himself he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish here with hunger!


but whoever believes on HIM will NEVER perish.


and the one u wouldn't want to be identified with,

the FATHER said this of Him

Luk 15:31  And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

Luk 15:32  It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Sorry,
I must have missed that question about the Prodigal Son.

Perhaps the son who never left, was being shown, through grace that his heart was never above the prodigal son all along. The Prodigal son on the other hand had a passion to go his own way, so found himself with the fruit of it. Both sons were purified, one through admonishment and kindness, and the other through being turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit could live.

YES I agree. 

[sparrow]

Sorry,
I must have missed that question about the Prodigal Son.

Perhaps the son who never left, was being shown, through grace that his heart was never above the prodigal son all along. The Prodigal son on the other hand had a passion to go his own way, so found himself with the fruit of it. Both sons were purified, one through admonishment and kindness, and the other through being turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit could live.

Yes!
Totally.

you worded that well, bro.
I'm going to have to save that for future reference.
thanks.

[eaglesway]

     Just reading through the posts, the son who left "perished", I agree, as in waste, ruin, destruction of the towers and strongholds that led him into bondage. When the prodigal returns, the son who stayed was reproved and instructed and corrected into alignment with the divine nature. The son who left was instructed also into alignment with the divine nature- yes, delivered over to satan to be buffetted until gratitude, brokeness and humility were formed in him, the grace that teaches us to deny ungodliness and pursue life.

    The prodigal left in confidence, arrogant, with a plan, newly rich. He returned poor in spirit and received the rich blessing of restoration to fellowship in his father's love - the greatest reward of all
     
     I find it interesting the Father's bottom line is unity and love, more precious than all his belongings- and he expects his son who stayed to understand that- recognizing the divine nature(if you would BE like your Father in heaven). Thats why there is more joy over one sinner who repents than 99 who need no repentence- not because there is something wrong with the 99- but because the 99 should all be rejoicing too -because the reunion is so precious(if they are not rejoicing maybe they are not righteous).

    However, the prodigal is a son who takes his inheritance and leaves his abode prematurely- (ex. -let patience have its perfect work that you may be complete and entire lacking nothing(james), & humble yourself under the mighty hand of God and in due time He will lift you up(hebrews) & sit at the bottom of the table and be called up, don't go sit at the top and be called down-jesus). I think the parable is also about understanding correction in the household of God(if you find a brother in a fault, those who are spiritually mature restore such a one in a spirit of meekness, considering your own selves).

    I don't think the prodigal is representative of the ones whose names are not found in the book or the devil and his messengers- but I wouldn't want to be to adamant about it- that is just my impression of the parable. Paul talked about grievous wolves, dogs, evil beasts- Jude talked about wandering stars, clouds with no rain, waves of foam with no water, Cain, Korah, Balaam etc, these are all those who "suppress the truth in unrighteousness".
The wheat was gathered into the "barn"at the harvest. The "tares" were separated at the harvest, to be burned. Jesus called this the "end of the age".

[CHB]

Sorry,
I must have missed that question about the Prodigal Son.

Perhaps the son who never left, was being shown, through grace that his heart was never above the prodigal son all along. The Prodigal son on the other hand had a passion to go his own way, so found himself with the fruit of it. Both sons were purified, one through admonishment and kindness, and the other through being turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit could live.

This reminds me or the LOF. The son who left went through the LOF and the one who stayed with the Father was not hurt by it.

CHB

[Chris]

What would be the point of telling someone who isn't even going to go through the lake of fire / second death that they will not be hurt by it?

Noah went through the flood, through he survived (was not hurt?) because he did as he was told and built an ark that he and his family entered into in order to weather the storm.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were "not hurt" by the fire that they were cast into... not because they were not cast into the fire but because of who they WALKED WITH "in" the fire. (But keep in mind that they while they were seen walking LOOSE in the fire, they were cast into the fire BOUND.)

There seems to be a distinction made between "the sons OF GOD" and "the sons OF MEN" and it is "the sons OF MEN" who are "set on fire". (Psa 57:4)

It seems to me that the "separation" that needs to take place between the sheep and the goats, the wheat and the tares (etc) has to do with a dividing between the spirit and the flesh, the inward man (who must increase - being renewed day by day) and the outward man (who must decrease - and perish).

If one died for all THEN WERE ALL DEAD!!

And we know that "the dead know not any thing" (not even that they shall die). So why should we be expecting them to even be aware of "the wrath of God" that abides upon them and the fact that they are "hurt of the second death"?

Obviously (if ALL WERE DEAD) then those who are "alive" HAVE PASSED from death unto life... from everlasting destruction (abiding in death) to life eternal (to know God and Jesus Christ whom he sent)!!

So why would it be such a leap to believe that we ALL go through the lake of fire and those who OVERCOME "are not hurt of the second death" because they do not even know that they went through it ~UNTIL~ they are on the other side of it - and, by then, they are walking with Christ who has brought them THROUGH the fire UNHURT.

If there is a dividing between the flesh and the spirit and "the second man" IS "the Lord from heaven" then what names are and what names are not found in THE LAMB'S book of Life? Could it not be "the old man" whose name is not written in the Lamb's book of life who is cast into the lake of fire? While "the new man" (created IN CHRIST) who has been given A NEW NAME is NOT HURT?

After all, it is THE SPIRIT that is quickened, while THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING (as "the flesh" must be destroyed), right?

Just some of the questions I've begun asking myself.  :coffee2:

As I know that something that also needs to be considered is the fact that it is not until ALL ARE GATHERED / SAVED (OUT OF EGYPT) before God "destroys them that believe not" (casts those without a wedding garment into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth).

Still not sure how all of this "squares" together.... but just get glimpses from time to time of various connections that seem to exist between various portions of scripture. And perhaps this, too, reflect a dividing between the the spirit (clothed with Christ - their wedding garment) and the flesh?

[Seth]

Greetings Chris. Well, I am not sure who you are specifically addressing, I do believe that all people go through the LOF, but I also see that stepping into New Jerusalem is to step out of the LOF and be tried by the fire of grace, not brought low by the fire of iniquity. I do not believe that the LOF is the trying of our faith, but the bringing low of the proud.

And just as there is no mixture of Law and Grace, I also don't believe there is a mixture of New Jerusalem and the LOF. We come out of one to be under the other in order to learn righteousness. We don't subsist under both. That is to be dead entirely.

[Chris]

Greetings Chris. Well, I am not sure who you are specifically addressing, I do believe that all people go through the LOF, but I also see that stepping into New Jerusalem is to step out of the LOF and be tried by the fire of grace, not brought low by the fire of iniquity. I do not believe that the LOF is the trying of our faith, but the bringing low of the proud.

And just as there is no mixture of Law and Grace, I also don't believe there is a mixture of New Jerusalem and the LOF. We come out of one to be under the other in order to learn righteousness. We don't subsist under both. That is to be dead entirely.

HI Seth,

I was not addressing anyone specifically, just the suggestion that believers have not ever and will never go through the LoF; that "the second death" is not something that we all experience.  But I am not suggesting that the LoF has anything to do with the New Jerusalem (except, perhaps, with the path that we must take to "enter in").

[Seth]

Greetings Chris. Well, I am not sure who you are specifically addressing, I do believe that all people go through the LOF, but I also see that stepping into New Jerusalem is to step out of the LOF and be tried by the fire of grace, not brought low by the fire of iniquity. I do not believe that the LOF is the trying of our faith, but the bringing low of the proud.

And just as there is no mixture of Law and Grace, I also don't believe there is a mixture of New Jerusalem and the LOF. We come out of one to be under the other in order to learn righteousness. We don't subsist under both. That is to be dead entirely.

HI Seth,

I was not addressing anyone specifically, just the suggestion that believers have not ever and will never go through the LoF; that "the second death" is not something that we all experience.  But I am not suggesting that the LoF has anything to do with the New Jerusalem (except, perhaps, with the path that we must take to "enter in").

That last part is how I see it. I think we are all born in that "need to enter in" state of slavery to sin. I think some confusion with the LOF is whether or not believers are currently experiencing the LOF as a way to be cleansed of sin, which I don't see to be the truth, rather that New Jerusalem is that way to be cleansed. The LOF is a way to be humbled, which everyone must be, for God gives grace (which delivers us from sin daily) to the humble but resists the proud.

So I think I agree with the notion that everyone goes through the LOF, because Jesus said that those who THIRST for righteous are blessed, and shall be filled. Those who do not have righteousness but WANT it will be filled, and that is what causes them to step out of the LOF and into the NT. Just wanted to clarify.

[fullarmor2]

     This is not in response to anyone.  I just had an interesting thought  the other day while driving my big truck.  My thought was,   if the first death was and is about correction and coming to a knowledge of the truth,   what sense does it make to expect the second death to be any different? Much less worse.
     I  thought this was a helpful comparison to make. 

[Zeek]

Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


2Pe 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

[fullarmor2]

Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


2Pe 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

        My point was that the second death  is similar to the first death in that it is also about correction  and ultimately to help people get cleansed from evil.   Not that  the second death process will not be more severe. I don't know if it will be or not. Although,  I know of no scriptures that teach that it will be.

[jabcat]

Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


2Pe 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Zeek, what would be your (or anyone, please) commentary on this passage of scripture?  I was just thinking about this and wondering about it.  Some teach it means if once you're saved but turn again to a willful life of sin, you can no longer be forgiven and will go to hell.  I obviously don't believe that, but it does sure sound like a severe warning.  Specific interpretations anyone?  What do you think the line is that one could cross to find themselves in this condition?  And then what do you think the specific consequences are?  (fullarmor, do you think this is describing the 2nd death, LOF, or something else?)  Thanks, James.

[Zeek]

Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


2Pe 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Zeek, what would be your (or anyone, please) commentary on this passage of scripture?  I was just thinking about this and wondering about it.  Some teach it means if once you're saved but turn again to a willful life of sin, you can no longer be forgiven and will go to hell.  I obviously don't believe that, but it does sure sound like a severe warning.  Specific interpretations anyone?  What do you think the line is that one could cross to find themselves in this condition?  And then what do you think the specific consequences are?  (fullarmor, do you think this is describing the 2nd death, LOF, or something else?)  Thanks, James.

2Pe 3:3  First, I want to remind you that in the last days there will be scoffers who will laugh at the truth and do every evil thing they desire.

2Pe 3:4  This will be their argument: "Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then where is he? Why, as far back as anyone can remember, everything has remained exactly the same since the world was first created."

2Pe 3:5  They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he brought the earth up from the water and surrounded it with water.

2Pe 3:6  Then he used the water to destroy the world with a mighty flood.

2Pe 3:7  And God has also commanded that the heavens and the earth will be consumed by fire on the day of judgment, when ungodly people will perish.

2Pe 3:14  And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen, make every effort to live a pure and blameless life. And be at peace with God.

2Pe 3:15  And remember, the Lord is waiting so that people have time to be saved. This is just as our beloved brother Paul wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him--

2Pe 3:16  speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters around to mean something quite different from what he meant, just as they do the other parts of Scripture--and the result is disaster for them.
   
Peters Final Words

2Pe 3:17  I am warning you ahead of time, dear friends, so that you can watch out and not be carried away by the errors of these wicked people. I don't want you to lose your own secure footing.

Jud 1:4  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Pe 1:9  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

2Pe 1:10  Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

2Pe 1:11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;


IMO, these scriptures are easily understood in light of a first century fulfillment (preterist).  Between the cross and the return of Christ (wrath of God/destruction of Jerusalem) which occurred 40 years after the cross, just like the 40 year wandering in the wilderness; with only a few to go on to the promised land and Noah 40 days/night (Genesis 7)with only a few to see NEW land.  While there was still the "natural" tabernacle still standing, and sacrifices still being offered at the temple; and the "ishmaels" still persecuting the "Isaacs" (Galatians 3-4); there was the possiblility to turn back to the system "made with hands".  Once having tasted the good things of the Lord, and then to TURN and fall back from grace to law; the "shame" to follow would be much worse (ground to powder).  Thus, Paul, John, Peter, James constant warnings to add to your faith......


Now for those who "spiritualize" this, and see these happenings as only shadows; I'm sure there can be multiple interpretations. 

[jabcat]

OK, makes a lot of sense.  I'll ponder your thoughts more, as well as watch for others'. 

Also, your saying this "Thus, Paul, John, Peter, James constant warnings to add to your faith......"  with the 70 AD interpretation, would you more specifically mean their faith?   And then I'd guess those seeing it from a different perspective besides 70 AD, would in fact mean our faith.

Thanks!  James.

[Chris]

Now for those who "spiritualize" this, and see these happenings as only shadows; I'm sure there can be multiple interpretations. 

But you don't "spiritualize" this in any way (despite the fact that Christ did not return physically in 70AD? Or do you believe that he did?)?

[Zeek]

Now for those who "spiritualize" this, and see these happenings as only shadows; I'm sure there can be multiple interpretations. 

But you don't "spiritualize" this in any way (despite the fact that Christ did not return physically in 70AD? Or do you believe that he did?)?

good point.  :); but u left off the second half of the sentence.  "....shadows"

[WhiteWings]

Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

So it's best to hide the truth....

[WhiteWings]

Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


2Pe 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Zeek, what would be your (or anyone, please) commentary on this passage of scripture?

James,
I think the verses about the unpardoneble sin belong in the above list.
And for those verses are several UR commentaries (on teh main TM site)

[jabcat]

Yeah, I thought about that.  This passage sounds so serious to me, I want to know more about it.