soul destroyed in Gehenna

[Seth]

Just to clarify: you describe judgment mainly as suffering the consequences of sin, ultimately leading to repentance. So when someone dies 'in sin', and has not yet been converted, it is like he has not finished his course yet - he is still in the foreign country, or maybe on his way to the porks, so to say. Do you believe judgment after death is similar to judgment in this earthly life? Or maybe in a more intense way?

I believe that is the gyst of it. I believe that before repentance comes one has not passed from death to life, even if one may be literally alive. So, when the Bible says that death will be destroyed, it's talking about ALL kinds of death both physical and metaphysical.

It may be that someone who has never heard of Christ, like maybe a African bushman with no exposure to the gospel wakes up and fits the definition of being dead to God until he hears the words of the Gospel by the revealed sons of God and is saved from that kind of death (lack of knowing God), and that others who claim to know God but walked in evil will be cut off to go wayward as the prodigal son or the bulk of Israel when they were cut off. I don't think we can really know the particulars, but rather the general based on clues provided.

In that way I believe that judgment will occur on earth, not in a subterranean hell world of literal fire, but on earth where the judgments of God help man to learn righteousness.

[eaglesway]

Just to clarify: you describe judgment mainly as suffering the consequences of sin, ultimately leading to repentance. So when someone dies 'in sin', and has not yet been converted, it is like he has not finished his course yet - he is still in the foreign country, or maybe on his way to the porks, so to say. Do you believe judgment after death is similar to judgment in this earthly life? Or maybe in a more intense way?

I believe that is the gyst of it. I believe that before repentance comes one has not passed from death to life, even if one may be literally alive. So, when the Bible says that death will be destroyed, it's talking about ALL kinds of death both physical and metaphysical.

It may be that someone who has never heard of Christ, like maybe a African bushman with no exposure to the gospel wakes up and fits the definition of being dead to God until he hears the words of the Gospel by the revealed sons of God and is saved from that kind of death (lack of knowing God), and that others who claim to know God but walked in evil will be cut off to go wayward as the prodigal son or the bulk of Israel when they were cut off. I don't think we can really know the particulars, but rather the general based on clues provided.

In that way I believe that judgment will occur on earth, not in a subterranean hell world of literal fire, but on earth where the judgments of God help man to learn righteousness.

I believe the judgments of God take place both in life, reaping and sowing so to speak, and then also for the adamant adversaries and wicked, at the Great White Throne in the Day of God, and in the lake of fire, which is imo an experience of purification involving the light od God consuming darkness in the souls of the persistently rebellious and wicked. There are several different views on this. I don't think anyone here claims to completely understand certain things like this where little is written in the record- but all of us believe that whatever the judgments of God are, they end in the reconciliation of all, as "evry knee will bow, whether in heaven or on earth or under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."

[Abigail]

Thanks for your explanation Seth, and amen to your wise words, Eaglesway!

[marie glen]

..the warning about Gehenna I sorta take like "it would be better to throw away your hand than offend one of these little ones than to rot in prison - as a more modern way of saying it.. (in context I believe this was the reference, offending an innocent).

I believe Jesus' saying "unless you repent you will die in your sins" to the pharisees, means they would rise also still in their sins, which i believe is the 2nd resurrection of Revelation chapter 20 of all who have not believed, some never having heard, many having never heard, that is.. I believe judgment day will be an age..kind of a short one as ages go(?) (500years) then at the end of that 'day' is when "those not believing will go to the LOF" - but after experiencing being resurrected and witnessing and living thru a long day of the review of all things.. all human history, etc.. who's not going to "believe" - besides being faced with the holy purity of God.. "every knee shall bow" "all will remember and turn to the LORD" .."it will be better for sodom and gomorrah on judgment day than for you cities who.." .."the queen of the south will rise up on judgment day against.. because one greater than solomon.."

Any really hard cases, who have hardened their heart so much by habitual grudge against God, and they cannot 'bend the knee' into the LOF for age-during, til thanksgiving and praise overflows.. "the fiery proving of your faith" 1 Peter 1?

but mostly I think it will be like it was for us, regret and repentance.. modeled after ancient Israel's Day of Atonement, Israel's annual judgement day when their sins were forgiven, and day of afflicting their souls/psyches.. if His 1s advent fulfilled the spring holy days, he was the passover lamb, the unleavened bread and the firstfruits, I believe the 3 major peaks of his long 2nd advent will fulfill the ancient fall holy days of trumpets, 10 days later, DOA, five days later, tabernacles.. God will now tabernacle with man on earth - rev 21:3.. (the ten days between trumpets and DOA representing the 1000 year millennium)
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[Lorenzo]

Matthew 10:28 has already been discussed in earlier times, yet what is not fully clear to me yet:

It says 'rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna', yet I wonder whether 'Him' should be with a capital. Is this scripture speaking about God? In the Concordant a neutral word is used (though singular, where earlier in the verse the same word is used plural).

Furthermore, if this is about God, this would probably mean something like leaving people over to their sin and the consequences there of. Why does it use the word Gehenna, the garbagedump?

I would love to know your thoughts.

Actually the word in greek is ton, which is the accusative masculine singular.

[eaglesway]

Matthew 10:28 has already been discussed in earlier times, yet what is not fully clear to me yet:

It says 'rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna', yet I wonder whether 'Him' should be with a capital. Is this scripture speaking about God? In the Concordant a neutral word is used (though singular, where earlier in the verse the same word is used plural).

Furthermore, if this is about God, this would probably mean something like leaving people over to their sin and the consequences there of. Why does it use the word Gehenna, the garbagedump?

I would love to know your thoughts.

Actually the word in greek is ton, which is the accusative masculine singular.

You might want to apply that in somewhat clearer terms to the quote.  :Peace2:

[Lorenzo]

Matthew 10:28 has already been discussed in earlier times, yet what is not fully clear to me yet:

It says 'rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna', yet I wonder whether 'Him' should be with a capital. Is this scripture speaking about God? In the Concordant a neutral word is used (though singular, where earlier in the verse the same word is used plural).

Furthermore, if this is about God, this would probably mean something like leaving people over to their sin and the consequences there of. Why does it use the word Gehenna, the garbagedump?

I would love to know your thoughts.

Actually the word in greek is ton, which is the accusative masculine singular.

You might want to apply that in somewhat clearer terms to the quote.  :Peace2:

I meant that, since the word is not neutral, but masculine, and considering the whole context, it is quite sure that here Jesus is talking about GOD.