What if you guys are all wrong about universal salvation?

[shawn]

what if Satan has tricked people into believing that Jesus' death was not enough and that when Jesus said, "If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me" He was confused and that His cross was not really all that powerful and that "God who so loved the world" really dint love the world that much and had ordained before the foundation of the world that most of the people who ever lived would bur forever in flames of torment.

And what if Satan did this so that the light that is in you is darkness and so that the gospel would be "evil spoken of among men" and so that people would be "veiled" to "the light of the gospel of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ".

Just wonderin.

If I'm to err, I'll err banking on the love of God.

[mplsfitter539]

Hello jbertonbounds:

I heard the message that God would reconcile all within a couple of days of being a Christian. I was filled with amazement and thirty years later I am still amazed and have a burning desire to see people hear this good news especially Christians. God reconciling all unto himself is the real and true good news that ought to be preached and if it is less than that it is a false gospel!

God bless you,

Seventh Day

You are so blessed that you heard this message within such a short period of time. I didn't hear this message until I turned 50 so most of my life I have believed in the false gospel. Now I have to ask myself " what if I had just taken the blue pill?" quoted from the movie The Matrix. I could have stayed in wonderland and believed anything I wanted to. The one who really hears this gospel has chosen the the red pill. I remember the day I choose the red pill, and what an awesome day it has been.

[SevanthDay]

Hello jbertonbounds:

I heard the message that God would reconcile all within a couple of days of being a Christian. I was filled with amazement and thirty years later I am still amazed and have a burning desire to see people hear this good news especially Christians. God reconciling all unto himself is the real and true good news that ought to be preached and if it is less than that it is a false gospel!

God bless you,

Seventh Day

You are so blessed that you heard this message within such a short period of time. I didn't hear this message until I turned 50 so most of my life I have believed in the false gospel. Now I have to ask myself " what if I had just taken the blue pill?" quoted from the movie The Matrix. I could have stayed in wonderland and believed anything I wanted to. The one who really hears this gospel has chosen the the red pill. I remember the day I choose the red pill, and what an awesome day it has been.

I am pleased that you heard the real good news and embraced it. God has truly graced you. It was worth the wait wasn't it?

God bless you,

SeventhDay

[micah7:9]

If I am not being to obtuse, where the heck did your thought come from, not that I am questioning the validity of your question, but what kind of disturbance do you wish to rustle up? Yeah it's me  :dsunny:

[UniversalSceptic]

Hi peeps, this is more first post here.
I'm new to this "Jesus saves all" doctrine, and I want to keep moving forward but still have some burning questions, maybe some of you can help me?

1. What if Satan the angel of light has blinded you to love the world more than following and believing what God has commanded will happen? What if you are simply making God in your image because you love your own humans more than you love the Lord? What if you really can't handle the truth that the sad fact may be that millions will burn forever?

2. What if this is Gods plan? If you were to die and God revealed to you that there is an eternal hell, will you stop loving God?

3. What if God really is like this?

4. What if you end up in hell because you unknowingly led people astray?

The problem with that thinking is that it is a "damned if you do damned if you don't". situation. If you serve god out of fear and not love, then you will still go to hell, but how can you love someone if you believe they will send even one of your loved ones to hell, and according to Hell believers, all of my immediate family members will end up in Hell. The overwehelming majority apparently going to hell is shocking when you think about it. It's not millions going their it's BILLIONS.

[WhiteWings]

Exactly. It will also make satan the big winner or the game. 5% God vs 95% satan.

Everyone agrees Jesus was a kind, warm, loving man.
Everyone agrees Jesus for forgave those who were actively torturing and mocking Him.
But after He ascended to Heaven He suddenly sends babies to hell because they don't believe. Not to mention all sorts of people who for whatever reason never heard about Him or fell for.

[UniversalSceptic]

Exactly. It will also make satan the big winner or the game. 5% God vs 95% satan.

Everyone agrees Jesus was a kind, warm, loving man.
Everyone agrees Jesus for forgave those who were actively torturing and mocking Him.
But after He ascended to Heaven He suddenly sends babies to hell because they don't believe. Not to mention all sorts of people who for whatever reason never heard about Him or fell for.

That's what I can't wrap my head around that despite all the "evidences" I am giving about Hell. Actually go to this yahoo answers link that has someoen claim God loses to Satan of he loses most of his creation. I actually found somethign on Yahoo answers and the gunuine consese is that God wins by default regadless of how many end up in hell, God wins because Satan will be cast into Hell and tortured alongside the lost, and/or God wins because he will save who he wants so save.

[ed]

That's what I can't wrap my head around that despite all the "evidences" I am giving about Hell. Actually go to this yahoo answers link that has someoen claim God loses to Satan of he loses most of his creation. I actually found somethign on Yahoo answers and the gunuine consese is that God wins by default regadless of how many end up in hell, God wins because Satan will be cast into Hell and tortured alongside the lost, and/or God wins because he will save who he wants so save.

You get to choose what doctrine is the better doctrine.  Don't go with the scariest, safest, or more accepted.  God with the one that makes most sense.

God is going to raise everyone to have billions tortured forever.
God is going to raise everyone to kill yet again with annihilation of the wicked.
God is going to raise everyone to save all.

Those are pretty much the choices.  I'd say you are already going in the direction you fancy.  Stick with it and the fruit will show itself.

Here is a link to the deeper theological thought on it.

The Purpose of Evil
by Guy Marks
http://haroldlovelace.com/The%20Purpose%20of%20Evil%20by%20Guy%20Marks.htm


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[WhiteWings]

ad around that despite all the "evidences" I am giving about Hell. Actually go to this yahoo answers link that has someoen claim God loses to Satan of he loses most of his creation. I actually found somethign on Yahoo answers and the gunuine consese is that God wins by default regadless of how many end up in hell, God wins because Satan will be cast into Hell and tortured alongside the lost, and/or God wins because he will save who he wants so save.

That would be true if God's aim was to destroy people.
But the Bible says otherwise:

1 Timothy 2:1–4, Paul says that the reason we should pray for kings and all in high positions is that this may bring about a quiet and peaceable life that "is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."

2 Peter 3:8–9, the apostle says that the delay of the second coming of Christ is owing to the fact that with the Lord one
day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day: "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count
slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

In Ezekiel 18:23 and 32, the Lord speaks about his heart for the perishing: "Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? . . . I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live."

Matthew 23:37, Jesus says: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to
it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were
not willing!"


Looks like the Living God wants all to live and be saved. Crushing all rebellion by casting it into hell doesn't seem to align with that wish.