spiritual bodies

[Molly]

Murderers from the beginning; a war of two wills, one of God and the other of man.

It's not God versus man.  It's spirit versus spirit.

One side wishes to destroy man, the other side to save him.

For whatever reason, God is allowing it in this age.

Man's flesh spirit [carnal mind] makes him only a pawn in the game, easily deceived and recruited to the side of Death.  But we have the mind of Christ.

[Beloved Servant]

John 5:40 (Amplified Bible)

And still you are not willing [but refuse] to come to Me, so that you might have life.

[thinktank]

No.  Flesh cannot give life, it can only give death, it can only destroy.

The carnal mind is the flesh mind.  What is born of flesh is flesh.

Only Spirit can give life.  Spirit can also kill and destroy.

But we are like a simple instrument with an on/off switch.

When off, we are dead.

When on, we are Christ.

Molly - you miss the point-- of course one can GIVE life to the carnal mind in US--but yes it brings death not life, it will also bring rebuke and correction --- hence to be CARNAL MINDED is DEATH to be spiritually minded is Life and PEACE---

Life.Never.Brings.Death.

A dead thing cannot give life [except in Michael Jackson videos].

Two choices only--choose life.


This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.
--Deut 30:19

- so eves mind NEVER gave LIFE to her THOUGHTwhich brought DEATH ------ seems some of the Faith too gave LIFE to their carnal mind which opposess , when they too were given over to their OWN minds for the destruction of it---   :dontknow:

So you think there is power of substance in darkness. Interesting. You know I have come acroos an article that explains that darknes is not merely the absence of light, but has a life of it's own.

[Taffy]

So you think there is power of substance in darkness. Interesting. You know I have come acroos an article that explains that darknes is not merely the absence of light, but has a life of it's own.

welcome to your MIND TT-- this all pertains within-- :icon_flower:

[Molly]

Darkness has rulers--

againstG4314 theG3588 rulersG2888 of theG3588 darknessG4655 of thisG5127 world,G165
[Eph 6:12]


And it has inhabitants--

Isaiah 9:2
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.


And it has power--

Luke 22:53
When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.



But I don't think it has life.

[Beloved Servant]

Proverbs 23
King James Version   

1 When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:

2 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.

3 Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.

4 Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom.

5 Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven.

6 Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:

7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

8 The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.

9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

10 Remove not the old landmark; and enter not into the fields of the fatherless:

11 For their redeemer is mighty; he shall plead their cause with thee.

12 Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge.

[thinktank]

So you think there is power of substance in darkness. Interesting. You know I have come acroos an article that explains that darknes is not merely the absence of light, but has a life of it's own.

welcome to your MIND TT-- this all pertains within-- :icon_flower:

No the mind is a battlefield of good and evil. Thats why the new testament says to renew your mind with the word of God.

If you think the eye is full of evil how great is that darkness, but if think light, then the eye of the soul gets illuminated and one become a lamp to shine greater light.

[Taffy]

all things said in PARABLES-   FOR this JUDGMENT I came into this """WORLD\earth""" they they that see might not see-and they that SEE MIGHT be made BLIND :icon_flower:

[Molly]

There are a lot of non sequitur  comments on this thread.  [That's Latin for 'it does not follow.' :happygrin:]

[micah7:9]

There are a lot of non sequitur  comments on this thread.  [That's Latin for 'it does not follow.' :happygrin:]

You got that right. It seems very hard to start a thread and not have alot of non sequitur  comments . :bigGrin:

[Taffy]

personally they overlap with much of whats being discussed-  :HeartThrob:

[Taffy]

 :2c: By two or three witnessess ? heres some twos which all say the same - as in relation to the topic we are discussing--
Matt. 13:47-50), the Kingdom is said to be like fishermen casting nets into the sea, bringing to shore all kinds of fish, both good and bad. When the net arrives at the shore, the fish are separated, indicating the "end of the age" when the wicked are separated from the righteous.
The END of HATE, and the Beginning of LOVE- two minds seperated and the continuation
aka Esau and Jacob
our eve HIS eve in US
No longer OJ but the NEWJ
I create EVILand I create GOOD
Mountains Lowered Valleys Filled
Natural Man then Spiritual Man
Flesh from Spirit
Death to LIFE
Carnal Mind HIS mind
The Older brother serving the YOUNGER
the wicked to the Good
Cain Then abel\seth
Old man NEW man
Goliath David
old Tongue New tongue
CHURCH ORDER TO KINGDOM ORDER
small stature HIS stature
Darkness Light
Night day
False covering , TRUE COVERING
Tutor reality
law grace
hades [ hell] Heaven
Earth New earth
Lies TRUTH
Murder LIFE
enemy friend
MOON SUN
unrighteous - righteous

[Molly]

Matt. 13:47-50), the Kingdom is said to be like fishermen casting nets into the sea, bringing to shore all kinds of fish, both good and bad. When the net arrives at the shore, the fish are separated, indicating the "end of the age" when the wicked are separated from the righteous.

Since you put 'the end of the age' in quotes, I assume you do not believe in any actual real ages, but that is all spiritual, too?

[WhiteWings]

There must (also) be a literal end of the age beacuse:
a] An age without an end is for ever.
b] It would mean God is never all in all.
c] Death will rule for ever.
d] Jesus will never submit all things.
e] Death is the bigger winner.

[Taffy]

Matt. 13:47-50), the Kingdom is said to be like fishermen casting nets into the sea, bringing to shore all kinds of fish, both good and bad. When the net arrives at the shore, the fish are separated, indicating the "end of the age" when the wicked are separated from the righteous.

Since you put 'the end of the age' in quotes, I assume you do not believe in any actual real ages, but that is all spiritual, too?

I see it as the END of carnal man the beginning of the NEW

[Taffy]

There must (also) be a litteral end of the age beacuse:
a] An age without an end is for ever.
b] It would mean God is never all in all.
c] Death will rule for ever.
d] Jesus will never submit all things.
e] Death is the bigger winner.

tony- theres much to be said concering how all concludes--- either way I continue to press in -  :icon_flower:

[Molly]

Matt. 13:47-50), the Kingdom is said to be like fishermen casting nets into the sea, bringing to shore all kinds of fish, both good and bad. When the net arrives at the shore, the fish are separated, indicating the "end of the age" when the wicked are separated from the righteous.

Since you put 'the end of the age' in quotes, I assume you do not believe in any actual real ages, but that is all spiritual, too?

I see it as the END of carnal man the beginning of the NEW

The end of carnal man?  Does this refer to a group of men, and happening at a particular time?  Or is it relative to each man?  That is to say, is an 'age' referring to a fixed point in time?  Or just a relative, metaphorical, assignment?

PS doesn't the end of carnal man happen for each one at death?

[Taffy]

Matt. 13:47-50), the Kingdom is said to be like fishermen casting nets into the sea, bringing to shore all kinds of fish, both good and bad. When the net arrives at the shore, the fish are separated, indicating the "end of the age" when the wicked are separated from the righteous.

Since you put 'the end of the age' in quotes, I assume you do not believe in any actual real ages, but that is all spiritual, too?

I see it as the END of carnal man the beginning of the NEW

The end of carnal man?  Does this refer to a group of men, and happening at a particular time?  Or is it relative to each man?  That is to say, is an 'age' referring to a fixed point in time?  Or just a relative, metaphorical, assignment?

PS doesn't the end of carnal man happen for each one at death?

Christ came ONCE into the END of the WORLD[ thats MAN] - iread this as HIM whos come INTO me---

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 


Hbr 9:27   And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 


Hbr 9:28   So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
does it not say EACH man in HIS time[ drawn to HIM] --- The death of the OLD man yes Molly [[but we will be going around in circles like yesterday speaking of Giving LIFE to the Carnal Mind---etc etc---]]] we each got to walk this out---

[HartleyIrvinDamboiseII]

This verse is the only time we find "spiritual body" in the Word of God. (1 Cor.15:44) And we find that it is single, not plural as bodies. Still I would venture to say that most all ministers talk about man having or will have spiritual bodies in the hearafter or when we die.
There is also much talk of "spiritual beings"  definition of being a : the quality or state of having existence b (1) : something conceivable as existing (2) : something that actually exists....  Again there is no "spiritual being(s)" in the Bible, or even the word "being" used in the sense of (2) : something that actually exists 

1Co 15:44  it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;

BODY G4983  sōma  the body (as a sound whole) from  G4982 sōzō From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, "safe"); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.
This tells me that a body is sound..[.sound].. from dictionary (a : free from injury or disease b : free from flaw, defect, or decay) examples.....a building of sound construction ........The bridge is structurally sound.

I had accepted the teaching that we will have spiritual bodies at the resurrection.  Also I have always heard the phrase "spiritually dead"  and "spiritually alive"
as well as "alive in the spirit," and again I cannot find that teaching in those words in the Word of God. I reason that if there were "spiritual bodies" "spiritually dead" "spiritually alive" "die spiritually" that Paul would have taken the time to inform us of these sensations or phases, or changes. I do understand how we(man) and think that way, but Paul was pretty much first hand in the Good News teaching, he certainly knew of those words, I believe that Paul could have put them together to explain to the hears. He did not.
The verse in ICor.15:44 reads that mankind is sown(or began) a natural(sensitive that is, animate)
it is raised(aroused or awaken from sleep) spiritual(non-carnal) and we know from 1Co 15:45  so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit, .....this verse tells me that when the natural body(first adam) will be raised a spiritual body(second adam.)

This all makes me reason and except that we do not recieve spiritual bodies when we die or when resurrected, that there is no  such thing as spiritually dead, except in christian religion teaching. This is what  my Bible reads,

Eph 4:4  one body and one Spirit, according as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; 
2Ti 2:11  Faithful is the saying: For if we died with him, we shall also live with him:
I am open for instruction and reproof.

I am totally in sink with with the above Quote. jokes on spelling not welcome

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Have not had time to read all the thread, but just a quick comment before I have to leave......

The wheat and the TARES are RAISED UP (same as word for quickened) together, which is why we read later, "Choose ye this day, whom ye will serve". BOTH are given "life" to present a choice. And why it says, the RAIN, falls on the just and the UNJUST.

The darkness is given life to provide an adversary to present a choice. If we choose wrongly, we give more life to that thing, and if repentance does not come, we birth that thing into existance, and eventually it becomes the scripture principle where He reproves us with OUR OWN wickedness. Blessings.....

[Beloved Servant]

It is, as if, we become our own judge.

[jabcat]

Luke 24:
34.."Really roused was the Lord, and was seen by Simon!"
35 And they unfolded the events on the road, and how He is known to them in the breaking of the bread.
36 Now at their speaking these things, Jesus Himself stood in their midst and is saying to them, "Peace to you!"
37 Yet, being dismayed and becoming affrighted, they supposed they are beholding a spirit.
38 And He said to them, "Why are you disturbed? And wherefore are reasonings coming up in your hearts?
39 Perceive My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and perceive, for a spirit has not flesh and bones according as you behold Me having."
40 And saying this, He exhibits to them His hands and feet.
41 Now, at their still disbelieving from joy, and marveling, He said to them, "Have you any food in this place?"
42 Now they hand Him part of a broiled fish,
43 and, taking it, He ate before them.
44 Now He said to them, "These are My words, which I speak to you, still being with you, for all must be fulfilled that is written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms concerning Me."
45 Then He opens up their mind to understand the scriptures,
46 and said to them that "Thus it is written, and thus must the Christ be suffering and rise from among the dead the third day,
47 and there is to be heralded in His name repentance for the pardon of sins, to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
48 Now you shall be witnesses of these things.
49 And lo! I am delegating the promise of My Father on you. Now you be seated in the city of Jerusalem till you should be putting on power from on high."
50 Now He led them out as far as to Bethany, and, lifting up His hands, He blesses them.
51 And it occurred as He is blessing them, He put an interval between Himself and them, and He was carried up into heaven.
52 And they, worshiping Him, return to Jerusalem with great joy.
53 And they were continually in the sanctuary, praising and blessing God. Amen!

[micah7:9]

Please go on?