spiritual bodies

[Taffy]

Notice that the River comes from the belly and not the head!

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[micah7:9]

Insight?

[Taffy]

Insight?

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IMnever quite sure whos speaking to who -lol :icon_flower:

a  Have mercy 2603 upon me, O LORD 3068, for I am in trouble 6887: mine eye 5869 is consumed 6244 with grief 3708, [yea], my soul 5315 and my belly 990.
Psa 44:25 For our soul 5315 is bowed down 7743 to the dust 6083: our belly 990 cleaveth 1692 unto the earth 776.
Pro 13:25 The righteous 6662 eateth 398 to the satisfying 7648 of his soul 5315: but the belly 990 of the wicked 7563 shall want 2637.

[micah7:9]

I must add also that is much talke in christian circles of "glorified bodies" yet the Bible is silent on this as well.

I am not attempting to say that I do not believe in some of terms and issuses I bring up, its just that when Im studying and I use the concordance and esword and find that some phrases that are written and taught about I am unable to find them. So I just ponder and wonder if these phrases that seem so utterly simple to us now, WHY were that not seen to be useful to the Apostles?

[Taffy]

The war is not spirit against flesh.  It's spirit against spirit.

Therefore, the carnal mind, being the flesh mind, is not even a player in the game.

It is dead.  It cannot vibrate against principalities, powers, heavenly rulers of the darkness of this age.  It cannot vibrate against spiritual wickedness in high places. It can only be used by such, and all its actions lead to death.


12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
--Rom 8

Binding and Loosing?

if the BEAST is dead with in us ALL then surely some wouldnt be given over to the BEASTLY mind [ SATAN] -? :icon_flower:

[Beloved Servant]

If the beast was dead within us all then God would be all in all.

[micah7:9]

"if the BEAST is dead......."

(WNT)  This we know--that our old self was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our sinful nature might be deprived of its power, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin;

The old man is dead.

[micah7:9]

Me thinks again a thread has been hijacked, alas :sigh:

[Taffy]

"if the BEAST is dead......."

(WNT)  This we know--that our old self was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our sinful nature might be deprived of its power, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin;

The old man is dead.

if the BEAST is dead with in us ALL then surely some wouldnt be given over to the BEASTLY mind [ SATAN]

[Taffy]

If the beast was dead within us all then God would be all in all.

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[Beloved Servant]

"if the BEAST is dead......."

(WNT)  This we know--that our old self was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our sinful nature might be deprived of its power, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin;

The old man is dead.

Perhaps the old man is still hanging on the cross.

[micah7:9]

"if the BEAST is dead......."

(WNT)  This we know--that our old self was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our sinful nature might be deprived of its power, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin;

The old man is dead.

if the BEAST is dead with in us ALL then surely some wouldnt be given over to the BEASTLY mind [ SATAN]

You said "all" not I nor Paul.

[Taffy]

"if the BEAST is dead......."

(WNT)  This we know--that our old self was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our sinful nature might be deprived of its power, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin;

The old man is dead.

if the BEAST is dead with in us ALL then surely some wouldnt be given over to the BEASTLY mind [ SATAN]

You said "all" not I nor Paul.

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The beast is In ALL Bro-- Thou we be in HIM where sin abounds Grace abounds even MORe -Grace TEACHES and can Be painful when we resist with the carnal mind---hence why some-[ by ex] were handed over to their BEASTLY carnal Mind
GOD Is Not Mocked and we do reap what we sow---if we are in The Body or not --- :2c:

[micah7:9]

Okay the old man is not dead.

[Taffy]

Okay the old man is not dead.

There was A curse given to paul----a Curse is a SIN--- HE was Being Plagued by that which went on IN HIS MIND----meant to HUmble HIM as HE too was a MAN like each and every other Bro----?

I believe the carnal Mind is dead , no longer having  Power over us-- UNLESS we Give it LIFE--- :2c:

[micah7:9]

Derailed again :sigh:

[Taffy]

Cut some slack Here Micah as you too keep feeding it!

[micah7:9]

Okay!

Quote from: Nathan on Today at 09:51:12 AM
So . . . upon reading the original post . . . if there is no spiritual anything . . .what are you suggesting?  We're born, we live . . .we die . . .move on.  Is there any hope for us then? 

For me, just because you're not finding a literal reference in your Bible, does not mean the truth still isn't real.  Faith doesn't come by reading . . .but by hearing.

he that hath an ear . . . spiritual hearing . . .inward hearing . . .not something that can be filtered through the limited understanding of the minds of men.


My thought is why didnt Paul teach about "spiritual BODIES, spiritual DEATH, spiritually ALIVE," he certainly could have put those words together for people to understand. Ive heard them all my llife. I am not trying to say I dont believe in spiritual things, I do, but should it be a truth that when the Lord has brought all that He is going to bring to His beginning and end that we will have spiritual "bodies" why didnt SOMEBODY say it? Paul speaks only of a "natural BODY" and a "spiritual BODY" not more than one.

[Beloved Servant]

In my Father's house there are many resting-places. Were it otherwise, I would have told you; for I am going to make ready a place for you.

[micah7:9]

In my Father's house there are many resting-places. Were it otherwise, I would have told you; for I am going to make ready a place for you.

I love that verse, still there is but ONE Fathers house, correct?
So does that mean that all the resting places will be occupied by spiritual bodies? And if so I ask again, how am I to understand Eph 4:4  one body and one Spirit?
Will the thinking of the many members of one body, each have different thoughts on how the one body works to do things?
And will the many members of the one body use their own mind or the mind of Christ?
Will there be conflicting veiws of what to do?
I am not, as I have said before, trying to trouble. These are questions.

[thinktank]

No.  Flesh cannot give life, it can only give death, it can only destroy.


Did'nt your mother bring birth to you, bringing life to where there is no life?

I assume you think that Adam and all creation were created, with some kind of spiritual body, then sinned, which turned Adam and Eve into flesh and all animals as punishment or simply an end result of sin

So are you saying that animals before being turned into flesh, had a spiritual body?
From what I have gathered Adam and Eve were first spirit beings, birthed into a vessel of dust, to create a living soul. That soul is now living in this world of carnality, because sin entered. So it not a matter of flesh being evil, because flesh is simply organic living material, there is no evil in flesh unless one with a sinful carnal spirit decides, to do evil.. Otherwise I challenge you to please show me how flesh based actions are evil?. If you can show me one then we are all in deep trouble, because Jesus ate bread for breakfast, which is a flesh based activity, so that which makes him a sinner.
TT


The carnal mind is the flesh mind.  What is born of flesh is flesh.

Only Spirit can give life.  Spirit can also kill and destroy.

But we are like a simple instrument with an on/off switch.

When off, we are dead.

When on, we are Christ.

[Lefein]

I'm more curious about how you would illustrate to us this belief of yours, Micah.

What does it "look like"?

And more importantly, what about individualism, the individual?

[Beloved Servant]

You will be for Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.

[micah7:9]

I'm more curious about how you would illustrate to us this belief of yours, Micah.

What does it "look like"?

And more importantly, what about individualism, the individual?

I have stated questions. What does what look like? What about individualism, the individual?  Acts. 1:14 "one accord,"
G3661
homothumadon
Adverb from a compound of the base of G3674 and G2372; unanimously: - with one accord (mind).

What greater way is there to go when you are in Him? I
s not whatever we do or say the very same thing that HE would say or do?
Would the "individual(s)" mind chose a different path than Him? How many ways is there to understand ONE?

[Lefein]

Unfortunately, it that is not really the answer I'd expected for what I asked.