New topic: Who was Adams Mother?

[sheila]

   from now on call no man your father[or woman your mother]

[Molly]

   from now on call no man your father[or woman your mother]

Keep talking about it because I've been wondering about it.

Galatians 4:26
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


The woman gives birth, and the son is snatched up to heaven [rapture?] but the woman is left behind and Satan goes after her.

Then the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven like a bride adorned for her husband.  How does the mother become the bride?

What does it all mean? lol

[thinktank]

for the Lord God is maker of us all

[thinktank]

Revelation 12

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.



16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.



Galatians4
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

John3
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

[sheila]

 New Jerusalem is Jerusalem Aboves only daughter.. it is the Bride church of Her son.Jerusalem above is God's wife,New Jerusalem is Christ's

    the manchild is caught up to the throne..as John in Revelations was when he received the Revelation of what must come to pass..

    all the revelations come to fruitage in the manchild church and are fulfilled. The female/new Jerusalem coming down prepared as a bride

  is the Glorified body[soul]    Remember,male created first

[Beloved Servant]

To the original question.

I understand, as Cardinal said,
Adam's spiritual "mother" as God's wisdom.
also
I understand, as Micah said,
Adam's carnal "mother" as dust.

Which begs the question:
Since Jesus said, in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil,

who is their mother?

Who is the devil's wife?

[Beloved Servant]

And exploring it further,
since Jesus said, in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil,
does that mean that they are not created of God Himself?

[micah7:9]

Devil means traducer=Latin traducere to lead across, transfer, degrade... the devil uses/has access to the flesh..here is the channel, using the flesh to accomplish the deed, I would suggest that the wife or partner is the flesh.

Rom 7:17  and now it is no longer I that work it, but the sin dwelling in me,
Rom 7:18  for I have known that there doth not dwell in me, that is, in my flesh, good: for to will is present with me, and to work that which is right I do not find,
Rom 7:19  for the good that I will, I do not; but the evil that I do not will, this I practise.

[jabcat]

I would suggest that the wife or partner is the flesh.

I think I've met the devil's wife before - more than once.  But thankfully I'm not married to her   :laughing7:

My wife's an  :angel4:  :)

[Beloved Servant]

How can someone have two fathers?

[WhiteWings]

I would suggest that the wife or partner is the flesh.

I think I've met the devil's wife before - more than once.  But thankfully I'm not married to her   :laughing7:

My wife's an  :angel4:  :)

It sounds lik eyou fear her a lot  :icon_jokercolor:

[jabcat]

I would suggest that the wife or partner is the flesh.

I think I've met the devil's wife before - more than once.  But thankfully I'm not married to her   :laughing7:

My wife's an  :angel4:  :)

It sounds lik eyou fear her a lot  :icon_jokercolor:

lol, you may know me better than i thought!

[WhiteWings]

God took a spirit portion of himself and made a spiritual wife for himself...the MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING... she is OUR MOTHER...

I thought there isn't marriage in heaven. So that means God can't have  a wife...


"In the resurrection therefore whose wife of the seven shall she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:23-30)

[sheila]

  there is a marriage supper of the Lamb :grin:  a bride a groom, a bethrothal, a freind of the bridegroom.   As there has been a physical 'oneness' evidenced on earth...

  in the spiritual,heavenly realm...there is a spiritual 'oneness'...and it is all about God seeking'godly offspring', to be fruitful and multiply and fill heaven and earth

What is born of the spirit is spirit..and God and Jerusalem Above are  Mother and Father of your eternal spirit.

   Ps 84;5-7 Indee of Zion it will be said,'THIS ONE AND THAT ONE WERE BORN IN HER,AND THE MOST HIGH HIMSELF WILL ESTABLISH HER"

   THE LORD WILL WRITE IN THE REGISTRY OF THE PEOPLE,THIS ONE WAS BORN IN ZION

   Luke 10;20  However,do not rejoice that the spirit's submit to you,BUT REJOICE THAT YOUR NAMES ARE WRITTEN IN HEAVEN

[Beloved Servant]

                                     I'd guess some see it more as symbolic..

[eaglesway]

The earth was Adams mother

Psalm 139:15
My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth;
Psalm 139:14-16

The New Jerusalem is the mother of the second Adam, Christ- and His seed.

1.Psalm 71:20

Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.
Psalm 71:19-21


1 Corinthians 15:47
New International Version (NIV)

47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

[WhiteWings]

there is a marriage supper of the Lamb :grin:

Polygamy?
Fine as long as I'm the only male  :laughing7:

Seriously. I admit I don't know excatly what that marriage (supper) will be, but I'm kinda sure it's not the earthly type of marriage that very often means intercourse and getting children. And I think that's exactly what we are taking about when discussing Adam having a God and godess as parents.
:dontknow:

[sheila]

 well now, our earthly marriage was/is patterned after the Heavenly image. when He said,let us make man in our image..male and female He created them..

   Paul spoke of the sacrement of marriage as being associated with Christ and the church. Look unto those with Christ...144,ooo virgin male and femaleRev 14;4

  72,000 pairs  Luke 10;1    The virgin pairs[holy spirits with soul mates] do not give their virginity in marriage[Luke 20;35]

  1 Cor 7;38  so then he who marries the virgin does right,BUT HE WHO DOES NOT MARRY HER DOES BETTER

   as the sons have a position in the parabolic body of Christ,so,too,the daughters of God have a parabolic position in Mother wisdom/Jerusalem Above

[sheila]

   it may help to think of it in this manner...sons/word of God/apostle's..daughters,holy spirit/prophetess...togather bearing righteous offspring

  spirit and truth...son/word daughter/spirit  virgin union...when Christ come up out of the Jordan..the Holy spirit,in bodily form of dove,descended

   a NEW THING...a mere woman shall encompass a man

[sheila]

.....something else..as you consider these things......the femalw help-meets that accompanied Jesus and the disciples..that ministered to them from their belongings

...then go read SOS and see the things stored up by the female that she ministers to her lover with

[Beloved Servant]

When Jesus said, in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil,
does that mean God is not their Father?

[WhiteWings]

well now, our earthly marriage was/is patterned after the Heavenly image.

Strange pattern considering that nobody in heaven is married. Besides of God according to some.

^AndersonMatthew 22
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

People will not marry in heaven just like angels never married either. So nobody is married in heaven unless there are other groups not being angel of human.

[sheila]

   each pair is like brother sister twins....male female from one sperm[father] and egg[mother]  what is born of flesh is flesh

  what is born of spirit is spirit....as we have born the image of the flesh/corruptible..we shall bear the image of the spirit/incorruptible

   the male female angels of heaven do not give their virginity in marriage...but each son has his complement in Mothers image/female

[thinktank]

well now, our earthly marriage was/is patterned after the Heavenly image.

Strange pattern considering that nobody in heaven is married. Besides of God according to some.

^AndersonMatthew 22
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

People will not marry in heaven just like angels never married either. So nobody is married in heaven unless there are other groups not being angel of human.

Maybe this has been misinterpreted.

Ok note the scripture which starts with "In the resurrection"

So what if Jesus is saying that when the saints are raised from the dead, they will not go and find their ex partners to go and remarry, but are like the angels of heaven, free agents who are able to choose their new wife according to the spirit and not according to the flesh.

Maybe these disciples looked at the resurrection according to the flesh, not knowing the power of God to transform their bodies into angelic spirit beings. Paul also had this same problem with his disciples, he calls them fool.

35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


If this is true this is good news indeed, that saints can choose for themselves a new wife according to the spirit.

[thinktank]

When Jesus said, in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil,
does that mean God is not their Father?

Perhaps. The problem with this I see though is that many believers tend to go out and accuse believers of being not of God, because they don't believe the same doctrine as them.

Interesting though that Jesus calls them children of devil, then later on they themselves say Jesus is possessed with a devil.

Both accusing the same thing, but only one has the power of God.



38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?