From what evidence I have read I can begin to understand(certainly I am open for thoughts) that, "the ground and dust" is the mother that was spoken of in Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
Gen. 2:7 Dust H6083 dust (as powdered or gray); hence clay, earth, mud: - ashes, dust, earth, ground, morter, powder, rubbish.
of the ground H127 soil (from its general redness): - country, earth, ground, husband [-man] (-ry), land.
From this I reason that the mother H517 A primitive word; a mother (as the bond of the family); in a wide sense (both literally and figuratively); (like H1): - dam, mother, X parting.
Man/adam= was the dust of the ground. The Lord God breathed into that dust and ground and that formula became a living soul.
Peace and Love Through Jesus
Thats what the pagans believe so it may be true. What I mean by that is, all pagan idolatry has a primal source. Going back to the days after Noah. Very likely the originators of the fables corrupted the truth that was handed down by their grandfather Noah (and obviously unrecorded revelation from God). Being that the flood had just happened, and was fresh in the minds of men it would be hard to completely come up with something new, being that people were so close to God (at least from a temporal perspective).
what ended up happening is that they started to deify men starting with Adam, Cain, Able, Seth. Then the flood came and Noah and his 3 sons became the reincarnated Adam and his sons. Likely because man was created in the image of God did this speculation arise. The world, the ark, the cow, the egg, the lotus flower, all came to symbolize the womb that brought the menu or adam/noah/osiris/nimrod/etc through the watery chaos.
I'm not saying that we should be building doctrines off of pagan knowledge. Just that there is likely some truth although highly corrupted. Thus the "bondage of corruption".
Do you remember that post about the matrix from a few months ago you had Micah? I haven't been able to find it, I've wanted to revisit it, as this is somewhat what I'm trying to get across.
Have to be careful there, Micah. There are those who even today worship 'mother earth,' and would kill men to protect 'her.' It's not a pretty sight.
gai·a/ˈgīə/
The Earth personified as a goddess, daughter of Chaos.
Chaos=Cush btw
So you all dont have a thought on the posted subject? I just did my figuring from what I know of a mother, like I came out of my mother. I was in the womb of a female who when I cam out I called mom.
I had not known of any pagan teachings of such, I am not offering my study as such.
So, you all have any ideas or thoughts on who was adam/man/mankinds mother?
Ps No I dont know where that matrix post was. I had just added to it, but I find that for me and my mental abilities that it has a very spiritual meaning, I do not believe that the producers had what I gleaned from it in mind. :bigGrin:
If earth is Adam's mother who is teh father and mother of earth?
Earth is our slave master. We have to work for earth to get food
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 16, 2011, 08:18:48 PM
If earth is Adam's mother who is teh father and mother of earth?
Earth is our slave master. We have to work for earth to get food
Dont believe I said anything about earth.
But as for your concern for the father and mother of earth that( we are speculating of course) would be God, for we know from Gen.1:27 that he represents male and female(sire and dame) my input. :bigGrin:
Biblical truth = adams mother was the dust of the ground
Pagan corruption = adams mother was earth who is a sentient being to worship
If people were exposed to the truth about the dust of the ground back then, then it wouldn't have been as big of a stretch to turn the dusty mother into the whole earth
I'm not saying I agree with your premise (neither do I disagree) just explaining what I meant
Gotcha, and thanks. I believe you said it well and thank you for this bit of info "Pagan corruption = adams mother was earth who is a sentient being to worship" I did not know this. :grin:
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 16, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
Chaos=Cush btw
Interesting. And, we see in our own first chapter of Genesis that the earth was tohu and bohu--without form and void--chaos.
I doubt that chaos is a pleasant deity.
What is their motto? Out of chaos, order--their order, not God's.
Quote from: Molly on June 17, 2011, 02:24:28 AM
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 16, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
Chaos=Cush btw
Interesting. And, we see in our own first chapter of Genesis that the earth was tohu and bohu--without form and void--chaos.
I doubt that chaos is a pleasant deity.
What is their motto? Out of chaos, order--their order, not God's.
Im glad you brought that one up, it was troubling me, the Chaos=Cush btw
I have never seen that in my studys and I still dont see that in my studys.
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 16, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
Chaos=Cush btw
Just where did you come up with this Chaos=Cush, by the way?
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 16, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
Chaos=Cush btw
If I am to see anything in this tohu and bohu, it is Abel and Cain, respectfully. I see nowhere that it can be Cush.
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 04:39:18 AM
From what evidence I have read I can begin to understand(certainly I am open for thoughts) that, "the ground and dust" is the mother that was spoken of in Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
Gen. 2:7 Dust H6083 dust (as powdered or gray); hence clay, earth, mud: - ashes, dust, earth, ground, morter, powder, rubbish.
of the ground H127 soil (from its general redness): - country, earth, ground, husband [-man] (-ry), land.
From this I reason that the mother H517 A primitive word; a mother (as the bond of the family); in a wide sense (both literally and figuratively); (like H1): - dam, mother, X parting.
Man/adam= was the dust of the ground. The Lord God breathed into that dust and ground and that formula became a living soul.
Peace and Love Through Jesus
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My thoughts are that ALL things came out of God the father. The when where and how is not important
Quote from: HartleyIrvinDamboiseII on June 17, 2011, 03:32:37 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 04:39:18 AM
From what evidence I have read I can begin to understand(certainly I am open for thoughts) that, "the ground and dust" is the mother that was spoken of in Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
Gen. 2:7 Dust H6083 dust (as powdered or gray); hence clay, earth, mud: - ashes, dust, earth, ground, morter, powder, rubbish.
of the ground H127 soil (from its general redness): - country, earth, ground, husband [-man] (-ry), land.
From this I reason that the mother H517 A primitive word; a mother (as the bond of the family); in a wide sense (both literally and figuratively); (like H1): - dam, mother, X parting.
Man/adam= was the dust of the ground. The Lord God breathed into that dust and ground and that formula became a living soul.
Peace and Love Through Jesus
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My thoughts are that ALL things came out of God the father. The when where and how is not important
SO YOU ARE SAYING IGNORANCE IS A VIRTUE?
no
Quote from: HartleyIrvinDamboiseII on June 17, 2011, 03:52:17 AM
no
Well what does
"My thoughts are that ALL things came out of God the father. The when where and how is not important "mean?
When God said "Light Be" that was the beginning. The movement of air out of His Spirit was the first movement of moving things.
may trillions of years later, when He desided to make man. He made an image of Self. A man women child. ( some think this was the second making of humans)
I am not going deep into the earth thinking. I am just saying that God made it all and all was out of HIM.
Quote from: HartleyIrvinDamboiseII on June 17, 2011, 04:06:58 AM
When God said "Light Be" that was the beginning. The movement of air out of His Spirit was the first movement of moving things.
may trillions of years later, when He desided to make man. He made an image of Self. A man women child. ( some think this was the second making of humans)
I am not going deep into the earth thinking. I am just saying that God made it all and all was out of HIM.
Again a contridiction of terms "The movement of air out of His Spirit" movement of air is wind H7307 rûach wind; spirit H7307
rûach
Im not trying to be a moron, but what are you trying to say. I ask in peace and love.
chaos= cush, I believe its in chaldee.
Origins of Pagan Idolatry by Faber is where I read most of this. I cross checked some of the claims and found them to be true, or at least plausable from a etymology, historical perspective. The line of thought is that Cush was likely involved in the cause of the languages being confused. Unfortunately a good bit of history is conjecture, especially ancient history going back to the time of the flood, so a lot of it is putting bits and pieces together.
Fascinating read, saxons for instance are cucrapes. Sacca=cush in hindi I think. All of the monarchies in europe/the world are related. The brahmas in India are cush.
Quote from: RHMAll of the monarchies in europe/the world are related.
= Babylon
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 17, 2011, 05:03:10 AM
chaos= cush, I believe its in chaldee.
Origins of Pagan Idolatry by Faber is where I read most of this. I cross checked some of the claims and found them to be true, or at least plausable from a etymology, historical perspective. The line of thought is that Cush was likely involved in the cause of the languages being confused. Unfortunately a good bit of history is conjecture, especially ancient history going back to the time of the flood, so a lot of it is putting bits and pieces together.
Fascinating read, saxons for instance are cucrapes. Sacca=cush in hindi I think. All of the monarchies in europe/the world are related. The brahmas in India are cush.
From what you stated its an assumption by someone named Faber, correct. You cross check some of what claims?
" Unfortunately a good bit of history is conjecture, especially ancient history going back to the time of the flood, so a lot of it is putting bits and pieces together." Now there is what would cause me, that only me, to not read further. Do these studys say that the "flood of Noe" was and entire earth flood? I myself have not studied pagan religion with the Bible in 35 years.
Micah, the study of ancient history, ancient semitic languages, religion, and culture, the Egyptians, etc is a well established body of studies spanning the last 200 years.
I'm talking history, and nothing is fully certain in history, I'm sure you've heard "the winners write history", there are always competing ideas/translations. Thats all the qualifier meant. The reason I studied this was trying to figure out the nature of revelation (outside of biblical records), the nature of "the bondage of corruption" and the futility that creation was subjected to and also how did pagan-ness get into christianity.
By claims I mean chaos=cush, or some of the connections that link china, india, the middle east, the Americas, through all the same rituals and gods. Its some deep stuff with a lot of connections, kind of like doing Bible word studies.
Yes, and we see a lot of references to these gods in our own Bible--Ba'al, Molech, 'false gods,' idols to gods.
We see the Hebrews falling into these pagan practices when they are taken into captivity, we see them worshipping other gods; when they leave captivity, they bring these gods with them.
God is always warning them, admonishing them, angry with them, and finally divorcing them over these practices. He calls them 'whores,' betraying their marriage to him,
Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Our mother and father, our spouse, brother, sister and son is the LORD God of Israel.
Well, no offence again, but you go get em and let me know how it all turns out. The Lord has put enough on this plate he set before me to keep me going without all that pagan study. Personally I was told to quit that kinda study bout 25 yrs ago. :grin:
Well I think the only reason pagan anything was brought up was because you said this:
QuoteFrom this I reason that the mother H517 A primitive word; a mother (as the bond of the family); in a wide sense (both literally and figuratively); (like H1): - dam, mother, X parting.
Man/adam= was the dust of the ground. The Lord God breathed into that dust and ground and that formula became a living soul.
which I take to mean you are saying that our 'mother' is the dust of the ground, or, in other words, the earth. Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is what you meant to say, we are just pointing out that is paganism.
QuoteFrom what evidence I have read I can begin to understand(certainly I am open for thoughts) that, "the ground and dust" is the mother that was spoken of in Gen 2:24
Quote from: Molly on June 17, 2011, 08:19:24 AM
Well I think the only reason pagan anything was brought up was because you said this:
QuoteFrom this I reason that the mother H517 A primitive word; a mother (as the bond of the family); in a wide sense (both literally and figuratively); (like H1): - dam, mother, X parting.
Man/adam= was the dust of the ground. The Lord God breathed into that dust and ground and that formula became a living soul.
which I take to mean you are saying that our 'mother' is the dust of the ground, or, in other words, the earth. Maybe I misunderstood, but if that is what you meant to say, we are just pointing out that is paganism.
QuoteFrom what evidence I have read I can begin to understand(certainly I am open for thoughts) that, "the ground and dust" is the mother that was spoken of in Gen 2:24
in other words, the earth. The dust of the ground..... IS NOT the earth.
One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.
The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."
God listened very patiently and kindly to the man and after the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this, let's say we have a man making contest." To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!"
But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."
The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.
God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!"
Very good :grin:
:cloud9: Wisdom...
Quote from: Cardinal on June 17, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
:cloud9: Wisdom...
Wisdom is Adam's mother?
22 Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth;
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep,
28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong,
29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth;
30 Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight, Rejoicing always before him,
31 Rejoicing in his habitable earth; And my delight was with the sons of men.
--Prov 8
I believe that what you have brought forth from Proverbs 8, is Jesus Christ, not man/adam. But I can accept the thought. Much closer to the answer to my question than one that begins with and obviously. :grin:
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 18, 2011, 04:19:28 AM
I believe that what you have brought forth from Proverbs 8, is Jesus Christ, not man/adam. But I can accept the thought. Much closer to the answer to my question than one that begins with and obviously. :grin:
It's interesting that Y'shuah is the feminine form of Yasha [ salvation]. Wisdom is also treated as the feminine.
Everything was created through him and for him.
--Col 1:16
Well we lost the thread. Yes you are probably right about that. :grin:
:cloud9: He framed the world with wisdom.....she is hidden, because God is not willing that she should be put to shame, which is why Joseph was righteous in thinking that he should hide Mary away so that she should not be put to shame. A covering is as a "hiding". He hides us in the shadow of His wings.
Jesus left (being made a little lower than the angels = as a man) MOTHER and Father to cleave unto His wife (church). He became "her" covering, hiding her away until she births a son in His image and likeness, because she too is pregnant by the power of the HG = the woman given the wings like an eagle in Rev.
I've seen the beginning. Everything was darkness (not "evil" darkness, darkness as in, not filled with the visible light of Christ yet), but everything that was made by Him was outlined (framed) in red, like illuminated (living) ruby. Wisdom is more precious than rubies, which are red. My :2c:
As for me, Well we lost the thread.
:cloud9: I'm sorry Micah, but you asked a question and there was no stipulation on who was "allowed" (tongue firmly planted in cheek) to reply and who was "not allowed". :winkgrin:
Micah,listen..the answer is given.....for this reason Jesus said YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!FROM ABOVE.....Call no man your Father!!!Dust is not your Father
SPIRIT AND BREATH FROM ABOVE ARE YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER!!
All sons must receive the Blessings of the breast and thigh of HEAVEN!!!!!
take your mind off the lower things...RECEIVE THE HIGH THINGS OF GOD!!
For this reason AAron waved the breast and thigh offering portion that was his from the hand of the Lord at his ordination
for the waving symbolized the to and fro action of the spirit
:cloud9: Thank you Sheila, that revelation was WONDERFUL..... :thumbsup: Glory to His name....
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 16, 2011, 08:18:48 PM
If earth is Adam's mother who is teh father and mother of earth?
Earth is our slave master. We have to work for earth to get food
Dont believe I said anything about earth.
Isn't earth a big ball of dust? :icon_jokercolor:
QuoteBut as for your concern for the father and mother of earth that( we are speculating of course) would be God, for we know from Gen.1:27 that he represents male and female(sire and dame) my input. :bigGrin:
Why you are you considering earth being Adam's mother when you also consider God is father and mother of earth. Why not cut out the middle man and make God father and mother of Adam.
BTW not all life has male and female forms. Who is the mother of God's only begotten Son? Also earth? Basicly my idea is that God doesn't need a mother to start life.
BTW even if we follow classic Darwinism all lifeforms are made of dust.
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 16, 2011, 09:14:44 PM
Biblical truth = adams mother was the dust of the ground
The mother of my house is earth and it's father is a team of construction workers....?
Quote from: Cardinal on June 18, 2011, 04:12:28 PM
:cloud9: I'm sorry Micah, but you asked a question and there was no stipulation on who was "allowed" (tongue firmly planted in cheek) to reply and who was "not allowed". :winkgrin:
Yes I did ask a question I just thought your response had nothing to do with the thread. My mistake sorry. :sigh:
Quote from: sheila on June 18, 2011, 06:33:25 PM
Micah,listen..the answer is given.....for this reason Jesus said YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!FROM ABOVE.....Call no man your Father!!!Dust is not your Father
SPIRIT AND BREATH FROM ABOVE ARE YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER!!
All sons must receive the Blessings of the breast and thigh of HEAVEN!!!!!
take your mind off the lower things...RECEIVE THE HIGH THINGS OF GOD!!
For this reason AAron waved the breast and thigh offering portion that was his from the hand of the Lord at his ordination
for the waving symbolized the to and fro action of the spirit
Spirit and breath from above? Father and Mother? The Lord has taken my mind off the lower things many years ago, that is why, I presume, is why I am misunderstood at a lower level. But thank you so much, for the your revealing that about Aaron :grin:
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 18, 2011, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 16, 2011, 08:18:48 PM
If earth is Adam's mother who is teh father and mother of earth?
Earth is our slave master. We have to work for earth to get food
Dont believe I said anything about earth.
Isn't earth a big ball of dust? :icon_jokercolor:
But as for your concern for the father and mother of earth that( we are speculating of course) would be God, for we know from Gen.1:27 that he represents male and female(sire and dame) my input. :bigGrin:
Why you are you considering earth being Adam's mother when you also consider God is father and mother of earth. Why not cut out the middle man and make God father and mother of Adam.
BTW not all life has male and female forms. Who is the mother of God's only begotten Son? Also earth? Basicly my idea is that God doesn't need a mother to start life.
BTW even if we follow classic Darwinism all lifeforms are made of dust.
" Why not cut out the middle man and make God father and mother of Adam." by Jove I believe we got it! :grin:
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 18, 2011, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: redhotmagma on June 16, 2011, 09:14:44 PM
Biblical truth = adams mother was the dust of the ground
The mother of my house is earth and it's father is a team of construction workers....?
I was just giving a possible example based on Micah's hypothesis. Like I said I don't accept or reject what he said, just trying to roll with it.
Do we all have a Heavenly Mother?......most certainly YES !
Here's my view on this subject.
Click on URL below.
Peace to all AJ
http://spiritlife.yuku.com/topic/99/Do-we-All-have-a-Heavenly-Mother#.TjbEpmOz74Y
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Quote from: AJ on August 01, 2011, 06:27:29 PM
Do we all have a Heavenly Mother?......most certainly YES !
Here's my view on this subject.
Click on URL below.
Peace to all AJ
http://spiritlife.yuku.com/topic/99/Do-we-All-have-a-Heavenly-Mother#.TjbEpmOz74Y
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:sweat: :sigh:
God took a spirit portion of himself and made a spiritual wife for himself...the MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING... she is OUR MOTHER...
the free woman...Jerusalem Above...Her seed is sown in clay vessels for our exercize in good and evil on this earth.
Eve represented her on earth, Adam was not deceived because his mother had warned him..but Eve became deceived before Mother got to her
all spirit sons of God are in Father's image/male and all daughters of God are in Jerusalem above's image
The Holy Spirit makes up Jerusalem.
from now on call no man your father[or woman your mother]
Quote from: sheila on August 02, 2011, 12:35:26 AM
from now on call no man your father[or woman your mother]
Keep talking about it because I've been wondering about it.
Galatians 4:26
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
The woman gives birth, and the son is snatched up to heaven [rapture?] but the woman is left behind and Satan goes after her.
Then the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven like a bride adorned for her husband. How does the mother become the bride?
What does it all mean? lol
for the Lord God is maker of us all
Revelation 12
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Galatians4
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
John3
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
New Jerusalem is Jerusalem Aboves only daughter.. it is the Bride church of Her son.Jerusalem above is God's wife,New Jerusalem is Christ's
the manchild is caught up to the throne..as John in Revelations was when he received the Revelation of what must come to pass..
all the revelations come to fruitage in the manchild church and are fulfilled. The female/new Jerusalem coming down prepared as a bride
is the Glorified body[soul] Remember,male created first
To the original question.
I understand, as Cardinal said,
Adam's spiritual "mother" as God's wisdom.
also
I understand, as Micah said,
Adam's carnal "mother" as dust.
Which begs the question:
Since Jesus said, in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil,
who is their mother?
Who is the devil's wife?
And exploring it further,
since Jesus said, in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil,
does that mean that they are not created of God Himself?
Devil means traducer=Latin traducere to lead across, transfer, degrade... the devil uses/has access to the flesh..here is the channel, using the flesh to accomplish the deed, I would suggest that the wife or partner is the flesh.
Rom 7:17 and now it is no longer I that work it, but the sin dwelling in me,
Rom 7:18 for I have known that there doth not dwell in me, that is, in my flesh, good: for to will is present with me, and to work that which is right I do not find,
Rom 7:19 for the good that I will, I do not; but the evil that I do not will, this I practise.
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 02, 2011, 06:50:41 AM
I would suggest that the wife or partner is the flesh.
I think I've met the devil's wife before - more than once. But thankfully I'm not married to her :laughing7:
My wife's an :angel4: :)
How can someone have two fathers?
Quote from: jabcat on August 02, 2011, 07:14:52 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 02, 2011, 06:50:41 AM
I would suggest that the wife or partner is the flesh.
I think I've met the devil's wife before - more than once. But thankfully I'm not married to her :laughing7:
My wife's an :angel4: :)
It sounds lik eyou fear her a lot :icon_jokercolor:
Quote from: WhiteWings on August 02, 2011, 07:38:22 AM
Quote from: jabcat on August 02, 2011, 07:14:52 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on August 02, 2011, 06:50:41 AM
I would suggest that the wife or partner is the flesh.
I think I've met the devil's wife before - more than once. But thankfully I'm not married to her :laughing7:
My wife's an :angel4: :)
It sounds lik eyou fear her a lot :icon_jokercolor:
lol, you may know me better than i thought!
Quote from: sheila on August 01, 2011, 11:07:22 PM
God took a spirit portion of himself and made a spiritual wife for himself...the MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING... she is OUR MOTHER...
I thought there isn't marriage in heaven. So that means God can't have a wife...
"In the resurrection therefore whose wife of the seven shall she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:23-30)
there is a marriage supper of the Lamb :grin: a bride a groom, a bethrothal, a freind of the bridegroom. As there has been a physical 'oneness' evidenced on earth...
in the spiritual,heavenly realm...there is a spiritual 'oneness'...and it is all about God seeking'godly offspring', to be fruitful and multiply and fill heaven and earth
What is born of the spirit is spirit..and God and Jerusalem Above are Mother and Father of your eternal spirit.
Ps 84;5-7 Indee of Zion it will be said,'THIS ONE AND THAT ONE WERE BORN IN HER,AND THE MOST HIGH HIMSELF WILL ESTABLISH HER"
THE LORD WILL WRITE IN THE REGISTRY OF THE PEOPLE,THIS ONE WAS BORN IN ZION
Luke 10;20 However,do not rejoice that the spirit's submit to you,BUT REJOICE THAT YOUR NAMES ARE WRITTEN IN HEAVEN
I'd guess some see it more as symbolic..
The earth was Adams mother
Psalm 139:15
My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth;
Psalm 139:14-16
The New Jerusalem is the mother of the second Adam, Christ- and His seed.
1.Psalm 71:20
Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.
Psalm 71:19-21
1 Corinthians 15:47
New International Version (NIV)
47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.
Quote from: sheila on August 02, 2011, 03:17:31 PMthere is a marriage supper of the Lamb :grin:
Polygamy?
Fine as long as I'm the only male :laughing7:
Seriously. I admit I don't know excatly what that marriage (supper) will be, but I'm kinda sure it's not the earthly type of marriage that very often means intercourse and getting children. And I think that's exactly what we are taking about when discussing Adam having a God and godess as parents.
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well now, our earthly marriage was/is patterned after the Heavenly image. when He said,let us make man in our image..male and female He created them..
Paul spoke of the sacrement of marriage as being associated with Christ and the church. Look unto those with Christ...144,ooo virgin male and femaleRev 14;4
72,000 pairs Luke 10;1 The virgin pairs[holy spirits with soul mates] do not give their virginity in marriage[Luke 20;35]
1 Cor 7;38 so then he who marries the virgin does right,BUT HE WHO DOES NOT MARRY HER DOES BETTER
as the sons have a position in the parabolic body of Christ,so,too,the daughters of God have a parabolic position in Mother wisdom/Jerusalem Above
it may help to think of it in this manner...sons/word of God/apostle's..daughters,holy spirit/prophetess...togather bearing righteous offspring
spirit and truth...son/word daughter/spirit virgin union...when Christ come up out of the Jordan..the Holy spirit,in bodily form of dove,descended
a NEW THING...a mere woman shall encompass a man
.....something else..as you consider these things......the femalw help-meets that accompanied Jesus and the disciples..that ministered to them from their belongings
...then go read SOS and see the things stored up by the female that she ministers to her lover with
When Jesus said, in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil,
does that mean God is not their Father?
Quote from: sheila on August 02, 2011, 05:52:07 PM
well now, our earthly marriage was/is patterned after the Heavenly image.
Strange pattern considering that nobody in heaven is married. Besides of God according to some.
AndersonMatthew 2230 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
People will not marry in heaven just like angels never married either. So nobody is married in heaven unless there are other groups not being angel of human.
each pair is like brother sister twins....male female from one sperm[father] and egg[mother] what is born of flesh is flesh
what is born of spirit is spirit....as we have born the image of the flesh/corruptible..we shall bear the image of the spirit/incorruptible
the male female angels of heaven do not give their virginity in marriage...but each son has his complement in Mothers image/female
Quote from: WhiteWings on August 02, 2011, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: sheila on August 02, 2011, 05:52:07 PM
well now, our earthly marriage was/is patterned after the Heavenly image.
Strange pattern considering that nobody in heaven is married. Besides of God according to some.
AndersonMatthew 22
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
People will not marry in heaven just like angels never married either. So nobody is married in heaven unless there are other groups not being angel of human.
Maybe this has been misinterpreted.
Ok note the scripture which starts with "In the resurrection"
So what if Jesus is saying that when the saints are raised from the dead, they will not go and find their ex partners to go and remarry, but are like the angels of heaven, free agents who are able to choose their new wife according to the spirit and not according to the flesh.
Maybe these disciples looked at the resurrection according to the flesh, not knowing the power of God to transform their bodies into angelic spirit beings. Paul also had this same problem with his disciples, he calls them fool.
35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
If this is true this is good news indeed, that saints can choose for themselves a new wife according to the spirit.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on August 02, 2011, 06:12:00 PM
When Jesus said, in John 8:44, Ye are of your father the devil,
does that mean God is not their Father?
Perhaps. The problem with this I see though is that many believers tend to go out and accuse believers of being not of God, because they don't believe the same doctrine as them.
Interesting though that Jesus calls them children of devil, then later on they themselves say Jesus is possessed with a devil.
Both accusing the same thing, but only one has the power of God.
38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
now,Adam is the son of God..but when sin entered and you follow their evil lead..they become your father..as in you are expressing their image..and not
the character of your real father.
Kings will be your foster fathers,and their queens your nursing mothers Isaaih 49;23 and please don't confuse the kings of the earth with those who
rule with Christ as kings and preist. for the reign of kings in Christ is overcoming the world.
Now the real offspring of viper..were the spirits/demons of satan's image...Jesus said,'Ye know NOT of what spirit ye are of"
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another thing...a child not disciplined or chastened of his father is a bastard or reprobate.....bastard spirits make over the children of God in their image[corruption]
He chastens each one He receives as a son.
and the earth will give up the dead in her Isaaih 43;6 Do not be afraid,for I am with you,I will bring your children from the east,
and gather youf from the west.I will say to the north 'GIVE THEM UP!" and to the south,'DO NOT HOLD THEM BACK" BRING MY SONS FROM AFAR
AND MY DAUGHTER'S FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH....EVERYONE WHO IS CALLED BY MY NAME,WHOM I CREATED FOR MY GLORY
WHO I FORMED AND MADE
*everyone who is called by my name*
The nations will see your righteousness, and all kings your glory; you will be called by a new name that the mouth of the LORD will bestow. [Isa 62:2]
Know that the LORD is God. It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, the sheep of his pasture. [Psa 100:3]
Amen
and though Father hand over His children for the destruction of the flesh...it is in order that the SPIRIT CHILD BE RAISED UP
Sheila, everything having to do with salvation of man, help from God, etc seems to be feminine. Not always, but often enough. Y'shuah is the feminine form of Yesha.
Is there a reason for that?
I wrote a post on this..but can't find it. short version...golden girdle about the paps..vestment..breast portion as high preist...virtues/powers that go
forth from Him[ex; woman with flow of blood touched His garment-power went out from Him] nurture/growth of spiritual children.