A Rule Of Grammar

Started by JamesH, December 19, 2017, 05:09:44 AM

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JamesH

Read this in a uni article - For those who may be unfamiliar with the laws of language an adjective cannot have a greater force than the noun from which it originates.

Does anyone know of any textbooks that explain this linguistic rule?

marie glen

No but it makes sense.. (or am I reading your post right?) even the phrase sunny day.. sunny is pretty great but day is even greater.. Very interesting.. :ty: ...something to definitely keep in mind.. Good 'luck' with the search for a textbook..
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Quote from: JamesH on December 19, 2017, 05:09:44 AM
Read this in a uni article - For those who may be unfamiliar with the laws of language an adjective cannot have a greater force than the noun from which it originates.

Does anyone know of any textbooks that explain this linguistic rule?
James you forgot to add the link. :gimmefive:
I have no textbook for you but an example.
It's about olam that as noun has a meaning of time (sorta)
But when used as an adjective than meaning is gone.






Olam


Olam - H5769
BDB Definition:
1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
1a) ancient time, long time (of past)
1b) (of future)
1b1) for ever, always
1b2) continuous existence, perpetual
1b3) everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity


Olam is rooted in the word


Alam - H5956
BDB Definition:
1) to conceal, hide, be hidden, be concealed, be secret
1a) (Qal) secret (participle)
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be concealed
1b2) concealed, dissembler (participle)
1c) (Hiphil) to conceal, hide
1d) (Hithpael) to hide oneself




The meaning of the root Alam, is important to fully understand Olam.
Alam clear has the meaning of an obscure hidden something.




Exod 21:6 Then his master shall bring him to the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or to the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever (olam).
This olam lasts until the slave died. It's was of an obscure duration (olam) because it was unknown how long the slave would live.


Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
...
Jonah 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever (olam): yet have you brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
Jonah was only 3 days in the fish but because he didn't  know when he would get out it was of obscure duration (olam)




When olam is used as a noun it has the meaning of a period of time with an obscure unknown duration, as in the above verses.
When used as an adjective olam refers to an obscure source. A type, not a duration. An adjective describes something or someone.
Red =


Gen 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting (olam) God.


That verse isn't about the age of God. It's about His nature. Nobody really fully knows Him because He's hidden and too complex to understand.




The color red. → Red is an noun.
A red car. → Car is a noun and red is an adjective.


The olam. → Olam is a noun.
The olam God → Olam is an adjective and God is a noun.




Matt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting (olam) punishment: but the righteous into eternal (olam) life.
Punishment and life are both nouns.
Everlasting and eternal are both adjectives.


I'm fully aware the Greek NT reads aionios and not olam, but the Aramaic NT reads olam.  And in the LXX olam is translated as aionios. Click


So the correct translation is:
Matt 25:46 And these shall go away into God's punishment:
but the righteous into God's life.


A more literal translation would have something like 'obscure source' but because we know the source I've used God. So Matt 25:46 doesn't mention any duration.

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...