Hi There :-)

[Tom]

Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?

I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

[rosered]

Rosered to Ronny
  wow you have been  though many things Bro Ronnie


  so glad you are on the mend       

Ronny to Rosered:
Thank you. :-) And I have one more doctors appointment tomorrow. Most everything looking real good now. :-) And I hope she will tell me that I can stop taking/using the two medicines she prescribed me. Maybe,seeing how far things have healed up now? But one thing I'm using is a steriod ointment and with that,I'm supposed to only get out in the sunlight,for a limited amount of time. I can't like that, 'cause as I've gotten to feeling better,I want to be outside,a lot more! :-) Well,it's cooled off here now and since fall has to NE Texas,I would like to start a fall garden. :-) Would have to take it slow,until my strength builds up;but still,I really would like to get on with,just making a start on such! :-)

Rosered to Ronny:
now ,
I too was brainwashed into thinking  hell and the fiery pits of   Gehenna    was awaiting everyone   90 % of the population     
I trusted  , that is what you are supposed to do right ?
  and kept hoping    God would save me if I tried  real hard
    wore  out  doing all that  they asked  and it seemed  so fake     to me
I had questions   real ones and they never had a  good answer to them     , it did not settle  with peace in my soul right .

Ronny to Rosered:
Yes,that is so much the way,so many of us are taught in church. Falsely taught to believe,that to believe and trust church leaders,is the same as us believing and trusting God. 

And as I've said,I'm too hard of hearing now,even with a hearing aid,to get any good out of going to a local church;but I am so glad there are church programs on TV,that are captioned for the dear/hard of hearing! :-) I watch 4 of those,on a fairly regular basis. And starting 19 years ago,God especially started using one of those preacheres,to help me. This one preacher,he taught a lot on listening to God,talking to God and asking God. And he made it very plain,that there is only one God and he or no other preacher is that! :-) And he said,the worst he got upset in church,was when some people treated him,as if he were God! Now I never agreed with this preacher on everything and I still don't;but God used him to help me. And what I much appreciate in him,is how he expressed love and caring for all other people and that he has humility. I appreciate that in any preacher I see such in,no matter that I don't agree with them just alike,on everything. I don't have to,for God to use such people,to bless me.

Rosered to Ronny:
One day  sitting on the church pew       the preacher was  using this man as an example  ,  he saw mowing   his lawn and  judged that poor fellow    as to not being in church

     and  something   SPOKE within asked me   do you believe that ?
  I said NO ,     GOD can save anyone any where any time HE IS  GOD     !
  and   than asked  why are you here ?


Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-)


Ronny to Rosered:
  I left and never looked back         
   and my sister has been a huge help  for the family
  so many things  happened and  your right  in the evil   of chaos          Gods  good was always found !!


Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-) And though we may not always see it and understand it at the time,we can still know that it's there and that God will bring good,out of all evil! :-)

Rosered to Rommy:
Love saves us all   ,   not fear and  despising      :flowerred:


Ronny to Rosered:
Amen and amen! :-) And God is love! :-) And the only ones that Jesus Christ gave what for to,at times in the Bible,is the self righteous religious folk,who thought they were better than everyone else! (ha) LoL And God did the same for me. First,when God was saving me and showed me my sinful selfrighteousness and let me compare myself and that,to God and God's holiness. And as I say,when God did that for me,I didn't come off looking good at all! LoL But that was the goodness of God,that led me to repentance towards God. :-) Then in the year after God saved me,I stumbled back into that self righteousness some. Not as bad as I had been;but I still went back into that some. And he next year,this older brother and I,we were back at that same Bible camp,where God had saved me,the year before. Well,wouldn't you know,for the entire solid week,the young peoples teacher,he taught on nothing;but the sin of self righteousness! :-( LoL And by the end of the week,God had again brought me to repentance on that. :-) But when I went up at church there,the last service of the Bible camp,the preacher wasn't interested, in my coming forward and repenting of my self righteousness.  That really puzzled me then and I couldn't figure out why that particular preacher acted like that? Many years later,it finally hit me,that at the time,he was probably having trouble,with his own self righteousness. (ha)

Lol I do believe your better    Bro Ronnie!!

  That is good , we are at the end of fall harvest and lots of canning is over   , we cannot do    fall gardening in Southern Indiana   , we had our first dandy frost last night !        so the   living things are dying off    again and    every thing is getting ready for the winter    dormant    sleep

I hope you can grow a few things this fall since      you missed out on the summer   lot !!

   Oh confessions     of the babes of Christianity      I was so foolish to think , I am ready and clean Jesus if you take me  now I can go , but if you wait ,I will mess up for sure   and get dirty again ,   Just like a child getting ready for the   big     party in your clean  clothes      and   there is that mud hole to play in while you wait on the others   to get  ready     lol    while  Papa and mama  cleans us up    ha ! ha !
  Oh the minds  of  children     
trying to obey those laws to the     jots and tittles   ,,,,,,      its all foolish thinking and childs play ,    and are  really  innocent      in so many ways

  So I judge no one     , where ever  we are found the Lord is able to    save  us in that place ......

I am under the impression  that we all   are like the Jews in the beginning     given the   oracles of God but have no idea how to apply them     righteously
  because we only have our own righteousness and its filthy  rags  and the  prison  trap  of Babylon    ,      our change of garments comes when we  come to Christ and put on Christ      and that to   me is the true turning point    complete surrender      of  will  and desire        to please God   in ways we have no idea how to

    when the mind of Christ is given  we can    grow in truth and grace     as little ones pleasing in the sight of God who sees  everything  right in the first place


and  makes everything right   by giving us       His Spirit and truth     and Love ,    a deep well  to draw from    , proving our lack   from the beginning
as we also    come out of the world /Egypt        and experience       the wilderness       and end up trapped in Babylon        only to be   delivered  by Jesus     Christ

the scribes/ readers of the Word     and oracles of God      Pharisees/ separatist  and hypocrites/ lover of themselves and their own  kind     but had   no love of   God in them    for    mankind in general      ,    Jesus always     spoke to    as   self rightness   were under the same trap of Babylon    and of abusing the law  for their own benefit     and need to gain   the things of God while they had the world     in their power

  you can not serve two masters       man  and its own   self and God       it just  does not work like that          you will hate one and the love the other and the very deeds prove your loyalty      to one or the other   

   
I love Galatians  3  for this reason      for me    and what I believe ,we do die a     thousand deaths before coming to Christ    every  experience      from the womb    to leaving the world to the wilderness       to going into many teachers under the law  to   Babylon     has been a death of sorts and leave this all behind us     to Gain  more and more of  Jesus Christ         
  many tutors under the law       to come to   Christ  , this is how we as little children can enter Gods Kingdom     :HeartThrob:   from Jesus Christ and His cross    are all the gifts and inheritance        of truly becoming     sons of God though Him , no other way but by Him   by HIS OWN  Spirit and truth  can we really worship God    as it pleases Him  :HeartThrob:    ...

  ps I love the expanded  Bible  its   very helpful to me   for learning        and am a    simple gal , love the simplicity in Jesus Christ  and try to avoid    the  confusion  that  leads us to doubts   and     proving our lack of faith  in Christ    to ourselves   as other also see the struggles also .  We gain confidence in what God has done for us  , not what we have done for God ,  true  humility   in my opinion /judgement    is depending on our Father      for everything and every need  .

   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+3+&version=EXB

  God bless you and yours,  my brother in Christ      :flowerred:

[marie glen]

Hi there! :-) Ronny here from rural,small town NE Texas.

Oh my Goodness! what a blessing to read, your post was.. all of it! And I believe you summed up the whole believer/church situation as it exists in the lives and faith of many without them realizing it..

"If anyone lacks wisdom, let them ask God.."  :cloud9: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Fellow former webtv user here! :hiya:  God bless! and welcome to Tentmaker forums! I hope we will hear a lot from you!

[RonnyTX]

Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?

Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.

[Tom]

Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?

Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.

That's the problem with church doctrine. You have to save yourself from eternal punishment in an pagan hell of torture in fire forever. Scripture says we're chosen before the disruption of the world, and it's in grace through faith that we're saved, not of works.

"He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world" (Ephesians 1:4)

"For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, not of works, lest anyone should be boasting." (Ephesians 2:8,9)

[RonnyTX]

Rosered to Ronny
  wow you have been  though many things Bro Ronnie


  so glad you are on the mend       

Ronny to Rosered:
Thank you. :-) And I have one more doctors appointment tomorrow. Most everything looking real good now. :-) And I hope she will tell me that I can stop taking/using the two medicines she prescribed me. Maybe,seeing how far things have healed up now? But one thing I'm using is a steriod ointment and with that,I'm supposed to only get out in the sunlight,for a limited amount of time. I can't like that, 'cause as I've gotten to feeling better,I want to be outside,a lot more! :-) Well,it's cooled off here now and since fall has to NE Texas,I would like to start a fall garden. :-) Would have to take it slow,until my strength builds up;but still,I really would like to get on with,just making a start on such! :-)

Rosered to Ronny:
now ,
I too was brainwashed into thinking  hell and the fiery pits of   Gehenna    was awaiting everyone   90 % of the population     
I trusted  , that is what you are supposed to do right ?
  and kept hoping    God would save me if I tried  real hard
    wore  out  doing all that  they asked  and it seemed  so fake     to me
I had questions   real ones and they never had a  good answer to them     , it did not settle  with peace in my soul right .

Ronny to Rosered:
Yes,that is so much the way,so many of us are taught in church. Falsely taught to believe,that to believe and trust church leaders,is the same as us believing and trusting God. 

And as I've said,I'm too hard of hearing now,even with a hearing aid,to get any good out of going to a local church;but I am so glad there are church programs on TV,that are captioned for the dear/hard of hearing! :-) I watch 4 of those,on a fairly regular basis. And starting 19 years ago,God especially started using one of those preacheres,to help me. This one preacher,he taught a lot on listening to God,talking to God and asking God. And he made it very plain,that there is only one God and he or no other preacher is that! :-) And he said,the worst he got upset in church,was when some people treated him,as if he were God! Now I never agreed with this preacher on everything and I still don't;but God used him to help me. And what I much appreciate in him,is how he expressed love and caring for all other people and that he has humility. I appreciate that in any preacher I see such in,no matter that I don't agree with them just alike,on everything. I don't have to,for God to use such people,to bless me.

Rosered to Ronny:
One day  sitting on the church pew       the preacher was  using this man as an example  ,  he saw mowing   his lawn and  judged that poor fellow    as to not being in church

     and  something   SPOKE within asked me   do you believe that ?
  I said NO ,     GOD can save anyone any where any time HE IS  GOD     !
  and   than asked  why are you here ?


Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-)


Ronny to Rosered:
  I left and never looked back         
   and my sister has been a huge help  for the family
  so many things  happened and  your right  in the evil   of chaos          Gods  good was always found !!


Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-) And though we may not always see it and understand it at the time,we can still know that it's there and that God will bring good,out of all evil! :-)

Rosered to Rommy:
Love saves us all   ,   not fear and  despising      :flowerred:


Ronny to Rosered:
Amen and amen! :-) And God is love! :-) And the only ones that Jesus Christ gave what for to,at times in the Bible,is the self righteous religious folk,who thought they were better than everyone else! (ha) LoL And God did the same for me. First,when God was saving me and showed me my sinful selfrighteousness and let me compare myself and that,to God and God's holiness. And as I say,when God did that for me,I didn't come off looking good at all! LoL But that was the goodness of God,that led me to repentance towards God. :-) Then in the year after God saved me,I stumbled back into that self righteousness some. Not as bad as I had been;but I still went back into that some. And he next year,this older brother and I,we were back at that same Bible camp,where God had saved me,the year before. Well,wouldn't you know,for the entire solid week,the young peoples teacher,he taught on nothing;but the sin of self righteousness! :-( LoL And by the end of the week,God had again brought me to repentance on that. :-) But when I went up at church there,the last service of the Bible camp,the preacher wasn't interested, in my coming forward and repenting of my self righteousness.  That really puzzled me then and I couldn't figure out why that particular preacher acted like that? Many years later,it finally hit me,that at the time,he was probably having trouble,with his own self righteousness. (ha)

Rosered to Ronny:
Lol I do believe your better    Bro Ronnie!!

Ronny to Rosered:
I am at that. :-) Though I really shouldn't of gone to town today,when I woke up from a nap and found oldest Sis had gone there. Still need to build up my strength. Went to two garage sales;but didn't find anything I wanted to buy. Yesterday though,I found 3 nice little toys for 75 cents! :-) And plan on giving a little stuffed animal with a rattler,to my 6 month old great,great niece. Just got to see her for the first time;about 3 months ago. :-)


Rosered to Ronny:
  That is good , we are at the end of fall harvest and lots of canning is over   , we cannot do    fall gardening in Southern Indiana   , we had our first dandy frost last night !        so the   living things are dying off    again and    every thing is getting ready for the winter    dormant    sleep

I hope you can grow a few things this fall since      you missed out on the summer   lot !!


Ronny to Rosered: In late spring,Sis and I did get to plant some purplehull peas and tomatoes and we really enjoyed those. :-) This fall,I can plant several types of greens, including turnips and some onion bulbs or plants. Here in NE Texas,it gets cold to us; :-) and it may even snow a time or two;but it seldom if ever,gets cold enough to hurt greens and onions! :-)

Rosered to Ronny:
   Oh confessions     of the babes of Christianity      I was so foolish to think , I am ready and clean Jesus if you take me  now I can go , but if you wait ,I will mess up for sure   and get dirty again ,   Just like a child getting ready for the   big     party in your clean  clothes      and   there is that mud hole to play in while you wait on the others   to get  ready     lol    while  Papa and mama  cleans us up    ha ! ha !
  Oh the minds  of  children     
trying to obey those laws to the     jots and tittles   ,,,,,,      its all foolish thinking and childs play ,    and are  really  innocent      in so many ways

  So I judge no one     , where ever  we are found the Lord is able to    save  us in that place ......

Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-)

Rosered to Ronny:
I am under the impression  that we all   are like the Jews in the beginning     given the   oracles of God but have no idea how to apply them     righteously
  because we only have our own righteousness and its filthy  rags  and the  prison  trap  of Babylon    ,      our change of garments comes when we  come to Christ and put on Christ      and that to   me is the true turning point    complete surrender      of  will  and desire        to please God   in ways we have no idea how to

    when the mind of Christ is given  we can    grow in truth and grace     as little ones pleasing in the sight of God who sees  everything  right in the first place


and  makes everything right   by giving us       His Spirit and truth     and Love ,    a deep well  to draw from    , proving our lack   from the beginning
as we also    come out of the world /Egypt        and experience       the wilderness       and end up trapped in Babylon        only to be   delivered  by Jesus     Christ

Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-)


Rosered to Ronny:
the scribes/ readers of the Word     and oracles of God      Pharisees/ separatist  and hypocrites/ lover of themselves and their own  kind     but had   no love of   God in them    for    mankind in general      ,    Jesus always     spoke to    as   self rightness   were under the same trap of Babylon    and of abusing the law  for their own benefit     and need to gain   the things of God while they had the world     in their power
you can not serve two masters       man  and its own   self and God       it just  does not work like that          you will hate one and the love the other and the very deeds prove your loyalty      to one or the other 


Ronny to Rosered:
This reminds me of when Jesus Christ was telling some Pharisees,about how careful they were to tithe even the smallest of things they had;but he told them what they needed and yet left off,were things like love and mercy. 

  Rosered to Ronny: 
I love Galatians  3  for this reason      for me    and what I believe ,we do die a     thousand deaths before coming to Christ    every  experience      from the womb    to leaving the world to the wilderness       to going into many teachers under the law  to   Babylon     has been a death of sorts and leave this all behind us     to Gain  more and more of  Jesus Christ         
  many tutors under the law       to come to   Christ  , this is how we as little children can enter Gods Kingdom     :HeartThrob:   from Jesus Christ and His cross    are all the gifts and inheritance        of truly becoming     sons of God though Him , no other way but by Him   by HIS OWN  Spirit and truth  can we really worship God    as it pleases Him  :HeartThrob:    ...

Ronny to Rosered:
Amen and amen. :-)

Rosered to Ronny:
  ps I love the expanded  Bible  its   very helpful to me   for learning        and am a    simple gal , love the simplicity in Jesus Christ  and try to avoid    the  confusion  that  leads us to doubts   and     proving our lack of faith  in Christ    to ourselves   as other also see the struggles also .  We gain confidence in what God has done for us  , not what we have done for God ,  true  humility   in my opinion /judgement    is depending on our Father      for everything and every need  .

   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+3+&version=EXB

Ronny to Rosered:
Thank you for that link. :-) And I remember a good while back,I was on another group with an older man. I felt sorry for him,for he's been brought up in a denmination where he was taught he was right with God,if he kept the law. And he believed he did. And I would ask him to read and or I would reply back to him with some of the scripture from Galations chapter. One of my favorite chapters in the Bible! :-)

Rosered to Ronny:
  God bless you and yours,  my brother in Christ      :flowerred:

Ronny to Rosered:
Thank you :-) and the same to you and yours. :-)

[RonnyTX]

Hi there! :-) Ronny here from rural,small town NE Texas.

Oh my Goodness! what a blessing to read, your post was.. all of it! And I believe you summed up the whole believer/church situation as it exists in the lives and faith of many without them realizing it..

"If anyone lacks wisdom, let them ask God.."  :cloud9: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Ronny to Marie:
Thank you. :-) And two scriptures I like to mention is this one that says if you lack wisdom;ask God,etc,in James chapter one. My,what a revelation that was to me,when God opened my eyes so that I could see and understand that one! :-) And the other scripture is in Acts chapter 17,where it talks of Paul and Silas going and preaching at Berea. And it says the Bereans searched the scripture daily,to see if what Paul and Silas told them,was true or not! My,when God let me see that,it so shocked me! Shocked me that anyone would not believe Paul just right off and completely. Well,like I had been taught in church,to believe what some people told me and that without question. I thought at first,who were these people that they should not believe Paul and Silas,right off of the bat?! (ha) :-) Then it hit me,I also had the right to question anyones word,to read the scriptures for myself,asking God to guide and show me and show me if what these other people said,was true or not? I'm just so thankful,that God used scripture in James chapter one and Acts chapter 17,to free me in the way God did. :-)

Marie to Ronny:
Fellow former webtv user here! :hiya:  God bless! and welcome to Tentmaker forums! I hope we will hear a lot from you!

Ronny to Marie:
Thank you :-) and with the way I like to talk/post,you probably will! :-) And I've posted a good bit here,over the last few days; :-) but not even as much as I probably would have, if I were already 100% over this recent illness! :-) LoL

And it's good too,to see another former WebTV user! :-) Ah,I used to stay online with mine,too much at times! :-) And those little boxes,were so easy to use! :-) Sure would of been a lot nicer though,if Microsoft had simply kept them up to date!

[RonnyTX]

Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?

Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.

Tom to Ronny:
That's the problem with church doctrine. You have to save yourself from eternal punishment in an pagan hell of torture in fire forever. Scripture says we're chosen before the disruption of the world, and it's in grace through faith that we're saved, not of works.

"He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world" (Ephesians 1:4)

"For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, not of works, lest anyone should be boasting." (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Ronny to Tom:
Amen! :-) And I knew when God saved me,that it was God who did that for me and not me saving myself. For it was God who let me know I was lost,God who led me to repentance toward God and God who took me on to faith in Jesus Christ. :-) So,I knew Who was there when I was 16 years old,I knew Who saved me. :-) Yet as I've said,I was brought up in a Calvinistic type teaching/preaching church and taught by some people; but not by God,that what God did for me,God only did for a few people,out of the whole human race.  That latter part isn't true;but I believed it for many years and only came to see how false it was,when God showed me better,around 4 and a half year ago. :-) When God showed me,that in Adam all died and that in Jesus Christ all would be made alive.
:-) And that there was no such thing as a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. And when I saw the last part,I though how could anyone believe otherwise,for God is love? And it simply makes no sense,that God who is love,would create a hell of eternal punishment,not even for just one person! But I had believed God had created that hell and that simply because I was brought up in church,taught to believe such. Taught that by some people;but not by God.

[Tom]

Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?

Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.

Tom to Ronny:
That's the problem with church doctrine. You have to save yourself from eternal punishment in an pagan hell of torture in fire forever. Scripture says we're chosen before the disruption of the world, and it's in grace through faith that we're saved, not of works.

"He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world" (Ephesians 1:4)

"For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, not of works, lest anyone should be boasting." (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Ronny to Tom:
Amen! :-) And I knew when God saved me,that it was God who did that for me and not me saving myself. For it was God who let me know I was lost,God who led me to repentance toward God and God who took me on to faith in Jesus Christ. :-) So,I knew Who was there when I was 16 years old,I knew Who saved me. :-) Yet as I've said,I was brought up in a Calvinistic type teaching/preaching church and taught by some people; but not by God,that what God did for me,God only did for a few people,out of the whole human race.  That latter part isn't true;but I believed it for many years and only came to see how false it was,when God showed me better,around 4 and a half year ago. :-) When God showed me,that in Adam all died and that in Jesus Christ all would be made alive.
:-) And that there was no such thing as a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. And when I saw the last part,I though how could anyone believe otherwise,for God is love? And it simply makes no sense,that God who is love,would create a hell of eternal punishment,not even for just one person! But I had believed God had created that hell and that simply because I was brought up in church,taught to believe such. Taught that by some people;but not by God.

Amen. I was taught the same kind of stuff in the Catholic Church, but we're free from that nonsense now that we know the truth.

[RonnyTX]

Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?

Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.

Tom to Ronny:
That's the problem with church doctrine. You have to save yourself from eternal punishment in an pagan hell of torture in fire forever. Scripture says we're chosen before the disruption of the world, and it's in grace through faith that we're saved, not of works.

"He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world" (Ephesians 1:4)

"For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, not of works, lest anyone should be boasting." (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Ronny to Tom:
Amen! :-) And I knew when God saved me,that it was God who did that for me and not me saving myself. For it was God who let me know I was lost,God who led me to repentance toward God and God who took me on to faith in Jesus Christ. :-) So,I knew Who was there when I was 16 years old,I knew Who saved me. :-) Yet as I've said,I was brought up in a Calvinistic type teaching/preaching church and taught by some people; but not by God,that what God did for me,God only did for a few people,out of the whole human race.  That latter part isn't true;but I believed it for many years and only came to see how false it was,when God showed me better,around 4 and a half year ago. :-) When God showed me,that in Adam all died and that in Jesus Christ all would be made alive.
:-) And that there was no such thing as a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. And when I saw the last part,I though how could anyone believe otherwise,for God is love? And it simply makes no sense,that God who is love,would create a hell of eternal punishment,not even for just one person! But I had believed God had created that hell and that simply because I was brought up in church,taught to believe such. Taught that by some people;but not by God.

Tom to Ronny
Amen. I was taught the same kind of stuff in the Catholic Church, but we're free from that nonsense now that we know the truth.

Ronny to Tom:
Amen and I know we both thank God for that! :-)

And I've lived here with my oldest Sis now,for several months and I also have another sister,a  bit older than me,who lives in a local town.  Several months ago,I was up at her house visiting and I told her that I was no longer a Calvinist in belief,as we'd been brought up in church and taught. That part didn't  bother her,as both my sisters,after they married,sometime after that they and their husbands ended up at other local churches,who were Armenian/free will in belief and both came to see and believe things that way. So it didn't bother this sister at all,when I told her I was no longer Calvinist in belief;but what bothered her,was when I told her my belief now,was that God had elected/chosen to save all people and that by way of Jesus Christ and the cross. And she really flipped out and got mad, :-( when I told her as well,that I no longer believed in a Jesus Christ created hell,of eternal punishment.  I  mean,she really got loud and mad about that! :-( So that day,I stopped talking to her about such and soon went home.

Now our other and older sister,that I've lived with for  awhile now,she doesn't agree with me on how I see and believes somethings now;but then she doesn't get flipping out mad, because she and I,don't see/agree on everything alike. This sister is also now, Armenian/free will in belief. And just a short while back,she and I were at one of our older brothers house,having supper with and playing games with our brother and his wife.
This brother,who was brought up in the same church as the rest of us,he's still Calvinistic in belief. And my older sister is Democrat and this older brother is Republican. So when it comes to religion and politics,when I'm around these two together,I never have brought up those things! (ha) LoL But the other night and I don't know who said something first; but my oldest sister,she let my older brother know that he was wrong and Armenian/free will was right. :-) Then this brother said something back and sister said something as well. With my bad hearing,I wasn't fully sure what she said? So I ask her some more and got a better grasp,of what she was saying. Right now,I don't remember exactly what that was? But I did up and say,that yes,I did believe that God had elected/chose who would be saved;but that the scripture,in Adam all died and in Jesus Christ all were made alive- that scripture showed that God had elected/chosen to save every person. But my older brother,still Calvinistic in belief,he didn't agree with me on that. :-) Wasn't quite sure what he said,what with my bad hearing? But I think he may believe that the people refererred to in that all verse are only those few,who he has been taught to believe,are the elect/chosen of God,to be saved? Much like we were raised up and taught to believe in church,that John 3:16 didn't mean God loved every person;but only those,that God had chosen/elected to save. Then this brother wrote down some scripture references and gave those to out sister. I'm sure it was scripture,that he believed proved how he believes it and which he believes,disproves out sisters Aremnian/free will way of believing. But our brother,he didn't write down any scripture references for me,to try and show me,why I was wrong on what I said. Not sure why he didn't?

Pretty soon,I will be trying out another hearing aid. :-) Can get one every 5 or 6 years, through Medicaid. Just hope the next one,works better than the one I now have. And from what I've read on some of this,I'm pretty set on what type of hearing aid I would like to try now. A body aid hearing aid,that is stronger than others. Up to now,I've always worn a behind the ear hearing aid. And I've asked at a local hearing aid place,if I can get a body type aid,with my Medicaid? And they told me,no problem on that. :-) And my hearing loss,is between severe and profound. So it was good to read some online,about some other people with that type of a hearing loss and how a modern day body aid hearing aid,had helped them. :-) And it sure would be nice to have such,that might help me that much? :-)

Didn't mean to get off on hearing aids that much! (ha) LoL But my hearing loss is one big reason,that I don't say somethings to some people,on  a face to face basis. And it is also why I am so glad to be online,where I can post in groups like this. :-) Here,I only have to be able to see and read and not hear! :-)  LoL

[Tom]

Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?

Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.

Tom to Ronny:
That's the problem with church doctrine. You have to save yourself from eternal punishment in an pagan hell of torture in fire forever. Scripture says we're chosen before the disruption of the world, and it's in grace through faith that we're saved, not of works.

"He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world" (Ephesians 1:4)

"For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, not of works, lest anyone should be boasting." (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Ronny to Tom:
Amen! :-) And I knew when God saved me,that it was God who did that for me and not me saving myself. For it was God who let me know I was lost,God who led me to repentance toward God and God who took me on to faith in Jesus Christ. :-) So,I knew Who was there when I was 16 years old,I knew Who saved me. :-) Yet as I've said,I was brought up in a Calvinistic type teaching/preaching church and taught by some people; but not by God,that what God did for me,God only did for a few people,out of the whole human race.  That latter part isn't true;but I believed it for many years and only came to see how false it was,when God showed me better,around 4 and a half year ago. :-) When God showed me,that in Adam all died and that in Jesus Christ all would be made alive.
:-) And that there was no such thing as a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. And when I saw the last part,I though how could anyone believe otherwise,for God is love? And it simply makes no sense,that God who is love,would create a hell of eternal punishment,not even for just one person! But I had believed God had created that hell and that simply because I was brought up in church,taught to believe such. Taught that by some people;but not by God.

Tom to Ronny
Amen. I was taught the same kind of stuff in the Catholic Church, but we're free from that nonsense now that we know the truth.

Ronny to Tom:
Amen and I know we both thank God for that! :-)

And I've lived here with my oldest Sis now,for several months and I also have another sister,a  bit older than me,who lives in a local town.  Several months ago,I was up at her house visiting and I told her that I was no longer a Calvinist in belief,as we'd been brought up in church and taught. That part didn't  bother her,as both my sisters,after they married,sometime after that they and their husbands ended up at other local churches,who were Armenian/free will in belief and both came to see and believe things that way. So it didn't bother this sister at all,when I told her I was no longer Calvinist in belief;but what bothered her,was when I told her my belief now,was that God had elected/chosen to save all people and that by way of Jesus Christ and the cross. And she really flipped out and got mad, :-( when I told her as well,that I no longer believed in a Jesus Christ created hell,of eternal punishment.  I  mean,she really got loud and mad about that! :-( So that day,I stopped talking to her about such and soon went home.

Now our other and older sister,that I've lived with for  awhile now,she doesn't agree with me on how I see and believes somethings now;but then she doesn't get flipping out mad, because she and I,don't see/agree on everything alike. This sister is also now, Armenian/free will in belief. And just a short while back,she and I were at one of our older brothers house,having supper with and playing games with our brother and his wife.
This brother,who was brought up in the same church as the rest of us,he's still Calvinistic in belief. And my older sister is Democrat and this older brother is Republican. So when it comes to religion and politics,when I'm around these two together,I never have brought up those things! (ha) LoL But the other night and I don't know who said something first; but my oldest sister,she let my older brother know that he was wrong and Armenian/free will was right. :-) Then this brother said something back and sister said something as well. With my bad hearing,I wasn't fully sure what she said? So I ask her some more and got a better grasp,of what she was saying. Right now,I don't remember exactly what that was? But I did up and say,that yes,I did believe that God had elected/chose who would be saved;but that the scripture,in Adam all died and in Jesus Christ all were made alive- that scripture showed that God had elected/chosen to save every person. But my older brother,still Calvinistic in belief,he didn't agree with me on that. :-) Wasn't quite sure what he said,what with my bad hearing? But I think he may believe that the people refererred to in that all verse are only those few,who he has been taught to believe,are the elect/chosen of God,to be saved? Much like we were raised up and taught to believe in church,that John 3:16 didn't mean God loved every person;but only those,that God had chosen/elected to save. Then this brother wrote down some scripture references and gave those to out sister. I'm sure it was scripture,that he believed proved how he believes it and which he believes,disproves out sisters Aremnian/free will way of believing. But our brother,he didn't write down any scripture references for me,to try and show me,why I was wrong on what I said. Not sure why he didn't?

Pretty soon,I will be trying out another hearing aid. :-) Can get one every 5 or 6 years, through Medicaid. Just hope the next one,works better than the one I now have. And from what I've read on some of this,I'm pretty set on what type of hearing aid I would like to try now. A body aid hearing aid,that is stronger than others. Up to now,I've always worn a behind the ear hearing aid. And I've asked at a local hearing aid place,if I can get a body type aid,with my Medicaid? And they told me,no problem on that. :-) And my hearing loss,is between severe and profound. So it was good to read some online,about some other people with that type of a hearing loss and how a modern day body aid hearing aid,had helped them. :-) And it sure would be nice to have such,that might help me that much? :-)

Didn't mean to get off on hearing aids that much! (ha) LoL But my hearing loss is one big reason,that I don't say somethings to some people,on  a face to face basis. And it is also why I am so glad to be online,where I can post in groups like this. :-) Here,I only have to be able to see and read and not hear! :-)  LoL

My hearing isn't as good as it used to be due to skin diving, loud music, guns, Harleys, and working with very loud machines. I've got a brother whose hearing is worse than mine though. Here's a link for you comparing Calvinism, Arminianism, and Universalism.

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/partuniv.html

[RonnyTX]

Right, "ecclesia" is literally "out-called," and it usually refers to those of us called out of the world to be the "body of Christ." Acts 19:32 just shows how the word was used for a secular purpose.

Ronny to Tom:
Another interesting part of this to me,is not only are we the ecclesia/church,the called out ones;but in the scripture,we are also described as the body of Jesus Christ,the temple of God. And if and when I choose to listen to them on TV,I can hear a number of preachers, preaching about what they believe will be a future,rebuilt Jewish temple.  But at this moment,I can't remember hearing these same preachers,talk about the temple that is in the here and now. That is,the temple in this age,that is made up of all,who have been born of God. I wonder,why I so seldom hear any preacher,preach on and talk about that?

Tom to Ronny:
I don't watch TV at all because it's boring to me. So I don't watch TV preachers. I prefer to read scripture and communicate on this forum. I think the ecclesia, the body of Christ, is distinct from the church those preachers are leading, and that's why you don't hear the same thing you'll get from an accurate translation of scripture.

Tom to Ronny:
I think you're right that the ecclesia/church/body of Jesus Christ is a different thing from the denominational type preachers and churches I was speaking about. Though of course, there are people in those who are also members of the ecclesia/church/body/temple of Jesus Christ.  Put there by God and not by themself or by any denominational type preacher.

And in the past,all that I had was the scripture as translated by various people and some deniminational type  preachers on TV. And some of those God has used to bless me, even though I knew they were wrong on somethings. Well,even when both they and I didn't rightly understand somethings,God still used one denominational type TV preacher,to free me from "worship" of preachers and denominational teaching.

The one thing that really bothers me about any denominational preacher,that I might see and sometimes watch on TV,is that all of them believe and teach that a lost person must in some way save themself. That,by their supposed "free will." Too,though some will seldom if ever mention such,in the background of their teaching,there is always the denominational type teaching if threatening the lost person with a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. I know that's wrong now and I hate to see that false threat used in any way. But,I think I need to keep in mind,that at least some who believe this and are wrong about it,at least some of them sincerely believe what they are saying. And at least that's better than the ones who simply teach/preach such to try and control some people and get money out of them.

Tom to Ronny:
That's the problem with church doctrine. You have to save yourself from eternal punishment in an pagan hell of torture in fire forever. Scripture says we're chosen before the disruption of the world, and it's in grace through faith that we're saved, not of works.

"He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world" (Ephesians 1:4)

"For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, not of works, lest anyone should be boasting." (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Ronny to Tom:
Amen! :-) And I knew when God saved me,that it was God who did that for me and not me saving myself. For it was God who let me know I was lost,God who led me to repentance toward God and God who took me on to faith in Jesus Christ. :-) So,I knew Who was there when I was 16 years old,I knew Who saved me. :-) Yet as I've said,I was brought up in a Calvinistic type teaching/preaching church and taught by some people; but not by God,that what God did for me,God only did for a few people,out of the whole human race.  That latter part isn't true;but I believed it for many years and only came to see how false it was,when God showed me better,around 4 and a half year ago. :-) When God showed me,that in Adam all died and that in Jesus Christ all would be made alive.
:-) And that there was no such thing as a Jesus Christ created hell of eternal punishment. And when I saw the last part,I though how could anyone believe otherwise,for God is love? And it simply makes no sense,that God who is love,would create a hell of eternal punishment,not even for just one person! But I had believed God had created that hell and that simply because I was brought up in church,taught to believe such. Taught that by some people;but not by God.

Tom to Ronny
Amen. I was taught the same kind of stuff in the Catholic Church, but we're free from that nonsense now that we know the truth.

Ronny to Tom:
Amen and I know we both thank God for that! :-)

And I've lived here with my oldest Sis now,for several months and I also have another sister,a  bit older than me,who lives in a local town.  Several months ago,I was up at her house visiting and I told her that I was no longer a Calvinist in belief,as we'd been brought up in church and taught. That part didn't  bother her,as both my sisters,after they married,sometime after that they and their husbands ended up at other local churches,who were Armenian/free will in belief and both came to see and believe things that way. So it didn't bother this sister at all,when I told her I was no longer Calvinist in belief;but what bothered her,was when I told her my belief now,was that God had elected/chosen to save all people and that by way of Jesus Christ and the cross. And she really flipped out and got mad, :-( when I told her as well,that I no longer believed in a Jesus Christ created hell,of eternal punishment.  I  mean,she really got loud and mad about that! :-( So that day,I stopped talking to her about such and soon went home.

Now our other and older sister,that I've lived with for  awhile now,she doesn't agree with me on how I see and believes somethings now;but then she doesn't get flipping out mad, because she and I,don't see/agree on everything alike. This sister is also now, Armenian/free will in belief. And just a short while back,she and I were at one of our older brothers house,having supper with and playing games with our brother and his wife.
This brother,who was brought up in the same church as the rest of us,he's still Calvinistic in belief. And my older sister is Democrat and this older brother is Republican. So when it comes to religion and politics,when I'm around these two together,I never have brought up those things! (ha) LoL But the other night and I don't know who said something first; but my oldest sister,she let my older brother know that he was wrong and Armenian/free will was right. :-) Then this brother said something back and sister said something as well. With my bad hearing,I wasn't fully sure what she said? So I ask her some more and got a better grasp,of what she was saying. Right now,I don't remember exactly what that was? But I did up and say,that yes,I did believe that God had elected/chose who would be saved;but that the scripture,in Adam all died and in Jesus Christ all were made alive- that scripture showed that God had elected/chosen to save every person. But my older brother,still Calvinistic in belief,he didn't agree with me on that. :-) Wasn't quite sure what he said,what with my bad hearing? But I think he may believe that the people refererred to in that all verse are only those few,who he has been taught to believe,are the elect/chosen of God,to be saved? Much like we were raised up and taught to believe in church,that John 3:16 didn't mean God loved every person;but only those,that God had chosen/elected to save. Then this brother wrote down some scripture references and gave those to out sister. I'm sure it was scripture,that he believed proved how he believes it and which he believes,disproves out sisters Aremnian/free will way of believing. But our brother,he didn't write down any scripture references for me,to try and show me,why I was wrong on what I said. Not sure why he didn't?

Pretty soon,I will be trying out another hearing aid. :-) Can get one every 5 or 6 years, through Medicaid. Just hope the next one,works better than the one I now have. And from what I've read on some of this,I'm pretty set on what type of hearing aid I would like to try now. A body aid hearing aid,that is stronger than others. Up to now,I've always worn a behind the ear hearing aid. And I've asked at a local hearing aid place,if I can get a body type aid,with my Medicaid? And they told me,no problem on that. :-) And my hearing loss,is between severe and profound. So it was good to read some online,about some other people with that type of a hearing loss and how a modern day body aid hearing aid,had helped them. :-) And it sure would be nice to have such,that might help me that much? :-)

Didn't mean to get off on hearing aids that much! (ha) LoL But my hearing loss is one big reason,that I don't say somethings to some people,on  a face to face basis. And it is also why I am so glad to be online,where I can post in groups like this. :-) Here,I only have to be able to see and read and not hear! :-)  LoL

Tom to Ronny:
My hearing isn't as good as it used to be due to skin diving, loud music, guns, Harleys, and working with very loud machines. I've got a brother whose hearing is worse than mine though. Here's a link for you comparing Calvinism, Arminianism, and Universalism.

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/partuniv.html

Ronny to Tom:
Thank you Tom. :-) I'm been reading some on that link and some other connected to it,for parts of the last two days and I've really enjoyed that. :-)

Sorry to hear about your hearing and your brothers too. :-(  Hope hearing aids,can help the both of you? Yesterday,I went with my oldest Sis,over towards Dallas,Texas. We took dinner and ate with her youngest boy,his wife and their 3 month old. Sure is a sweet kid and Sis and I got to be at the hospital,earlier in the summer,when he was born. :-) I told his parents that they must be fertilizing him,'cause that boy,he sure is growing! :-) LoL

A few days ago,Sis told me something about him,her youngest grandbaby. I didn't understand it all and I think I didn't want to,so I didn't ask her to say it again or write such down for me,so I would know for sure,what she was saying. But after we got back here yesterday,she told me again last night. Seems at least one doctor thinks,that her youngest grandson is deaf! :-( And we both talked about it and both wondering,how can a doctor tell,that a 3 month old is deaf or how bad of a hearing loss,he might have? 
And when we talked to the baby and smiled at him,he would smile back and look real happy. :-) But I have no idea,if he was hearing us or not? Or just going by our facial expressions and us holding and hugging and playing with him,etc?

One thing Sis told me,that bothers me too,is that this doctor or doctors,already have told the childs parents,that they want to do an operation on him,about his ears. The best I understand it now,they want him to have what's called a colchear (sp?) implant. I need to ask Sis about this again,just to be sure? But last night I was telling her,I had read about that operation and implant before and it can be good for someone,who is completely deaf   
or right close to that. Someone,that a regular hearing aid,just will not help at all. And before,I've read up on this coclear implant proceedure and I need to do so again. I'm not sure if I 100% remember this part right or not? But if seems to me,that when they do such an implant,they cut the nerve part,that goes to your ear. And that is the part, where sounds are transmitted,from one part of the ear to the brain. This,so a person can hear. And it bothers me,that they would do such,on a 3 month old baby. Maybe I'm wrong on this? But like Sis,I sure would like them to wait a bit longer,to be absolutely sure about how much or little,this 3 months olds hearing loss is? Because once they do cut that nerve in the ear,you are definately deaf through the normal way our ears work and the best I understand it now,such a cutting of that nerve,can never be undone. Or at least, that's the best I remember reading about such,just a few years ago.  Want to go back and read more about that online. See if I'm remembering this part right and if so,if it's still the same way today or not? Never know,because it was probably 3 to 5 years ago, when I read about the  coclear implant operation,etc and in that amount of time,a good bit can change,in the medical field.

And thank you again,for that link you put in your last post to me. :-) I have had a good time,reading on that page and some connected to it.  And as I've said,I was brought up in 
in Calvinists type believing/teaching church. So I was taught to believe that God only chose/elected to save a very small percent of the human race and the rest,they simply died and went to hell.  Then the Arminian side,I knew that they taught that God could save no one,so only a few would use their "free will" and be saved and the rest would go to hell. So one side said God could save everyone;but chose not to and the other said God couldn't save anyone;but the lost person had to save themself.  And I have the bad feeling,that there are more than a few people on both of those sides and in local churches,who truly hate the idea,that God not only can save everyone,by way of Jesus Christ and the cross,not only can;but has chosen/elected to do that very thing. Yeah,it bothers me a lot,to think that some people can really hate that idea/belief. It's hard for me to imagine,why anyone on the Calvinist side,would have even the idea of UR? Unless they some how thought that would make them less special to God? And the very idea of that,like that,is idiotic! And on the Arminian side, I have seen how some there,think they are more special,because they have been taught to believe the lie,that God couldn't save them,so they had to do something,to save themself. Then some on that side,they jump all over the lost person,to do as they believe they did and they tell the lost person,that in that way,they can also save themself. Then some on that side,they get mad and angry,if the lost person doesn't believe them and do as they tell them to do.

I better stop for now and go walk my little dog. I'm sure he's wondering,just where I am this morning?! (ha) He's mostly a miniture Doberman by breed,weights all of 10 pounds; but he thinks he's a big dog! :-) LoL

[Tom]

Ronny, that continuing quote was getting kind of crazy. So I discontinued it, but this is my reply to your message. My brother had his tonsils and adenoids removed when he was kid, and I had my tonsils taken out but not for hearing trouble, for a constant sore throat. Then years later I learned that it's probably best to leave those in the body. In my case, I think treating the infection would have been a better option. I don't know if my brother's surgery helped or not, but the way our mom figured out he was hard of hearing is by asking him if he wanted some ice cream one day. He didn't get all excited about it. That's how she figured he mustn't have heard what she said. I don't remember hearing about those cochlear implants when we were young. My hearing wasn't bad when I was young, but it got worse through the years due to my lifestyle. When you get older everything fades a little, but I don't think I need a hearing aid even though I tell my brother he ought to get one. It bugs my sister that I don't wear glasses like the rest of my siblings do except to read. Anyway, since you said you enjoyed that last link, here are a couple of good ones for you.

http://concordant.org/

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

[RonnyTX]

Ronny, that continuing quote was getting kind of crazy. So I discontinued it, but this is my reply to your message.

Ronny to Tom:
I know what you mean. :-)


Tom to Ronny:
My brother had his tonsils and adenoids removed when he was kid, and I had my tonsils taken out but not for hearing trouble, for a constant sore throat. Then years later I learned that it's probably best to leave those in the body. In my case, I think treating the infection would have been a better option.

Ronny to Tom:
I think that's probably so,as I've read in the past,at least about the tonsils,that there is something about them/in them,that helps our body fight infections.

Tom to Ronny:
I don't know if my brother's surgery helped or not, but the way our mom figured out he was hard of hearing is by asking him if he wanted some ice cream one day. He didn't get all excited about it. That's how she figured he mustn't have heard what she said.

Ronny to Tom:
That would surely tip a parent off! :-) LoL

Tom to Ronny:
I don't remember hearing about those cochlear implants when we were young. My hearing wasn't bad when I was young, but it got worse through the years due to my lifestyle. When you get older everything fades a little, but I don't think I need a hearing aid even though I tell my brother he ought to get one.

Ronny to Tom:
What has faded for me,is my energy level! :-) Say what I need,is some of that energy I see in my little great nieces and nephews! :-) Seems they all have more energy,than they need! LoL

Tom to Ronny:
It bugs my sister that I don't wear glasses like the rest of my siblings do except to read.

Ronny to Tom:
I used to wear glasses for everything;but then had cataract surgery on one eye a few years ago. Ended up with 20/30 or 20/40 vision in that eye,so glasses needed for driving any more. :-) Also saw some cheap reading glasses at Walmart,for $10 or so and they worked great for me. :-) Lost one pair and went back for some others;but before I had to get some that time,I'd noticed they also had reading glasses there in a pack,3 pair for less than $4! I tried those and they all worked great for me! :-)


Tom to Ronny:
Anyway, since you said you enjoyed that last link, here are a couple of good ones for you.

http://concordant.org/

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

Ronny to Tom:
Thank you for those! :-) And I've already enjoyed reading some on those pages, yesterday evening! :-)