The God I Know

[Transponder]

This probably won't help anything, but I never hear the voice of God in my head. In fact, when I need wisdom, I often will pray in the spirit until the voices in my head stop so I can hear God's voice instead. Jesus said that "out of our bellies will flow rivers of living water". Maybe that is where I got it, but I believe that my spirit is located in my center or belly.

I know it sounds weird, but it is what it is. In intercession, you can experience groanings like labor pains. Heb. 4:12 talks about discerning between our soul and our spirit. Voices in our head are in the soul and can be the enemy. However, there is a spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty gives us understanding. This wisdom or inspiration seems to seap up from the inside when the voices in the head are quieted.

John

I am no expert on the voices in the head phenomenon, but such an effect would not surprise me. The many voices that some hear (I only ever hear one) may well be silenced by mental effort allowing one of the voices - or perhaps one's own consciousness - to take the floor. In the end, the same effect (I must assume) occurs in the context of other religions or of none. Therefore, I can't consider it as evidence for - much less proof of - Christianity, even if there were not reasons to doubt that it was the voice of an intelligect creator.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I won't share the Word He gave me Trans, but I will tell you I never heard it before, and it was 4 months before I found another part of it was even in the Bible. I had asked at least 5 pastors at this time what one unusual word of this Word meant, and not one of them even told me it was in the Bible, nor did they know what it meant. I stumbled across it myself, in my Strong's concordance 4 months later.

He spoke it to me in the shower, and it was the oddest sensation, as I felt the water of the shower pouring over me AND the water of the Spirit pouring over me at the same time. I came upstairs and asked my mother if she knew if there was anyone in the Bible by this name, and what was it about him? She didn't know, either. Catholics back then at least in her parish, were being told not to read the Bible as only a biblical scholar could understand it  :sigh:, a fact her brother confirmed to me also, later. Thus, they never learned it, either.

And while I fully understand your skepticism (remember I was a skeptic too), and I think you're missing a piece to the puzzle. True, all those counterfeits, the spirits behind them are capable of giving out some correct information to the ones that go to them. But for every counterfeit that exists, there is a reality in God's Spirit that has been mimicked but not duplicated, because Satan can only mimic what God has, but never duplicate it. I'm telling you here what the reality is, and it's not a counterfeit. I do appreciate you're being kind about your disagreement with me, however........Blessings to all.....

[Redlettervoice]

The God I know is the ONLY one that hath delivered,
doth deliver, and shall yet deliver.
He is unlike any other VOICE I have ever heard.
He is not a "man" that He should lie.
I hold to His Word for it is my ONLY hope!
If in this life only, we have hope, we are of all men MOST Miserable.


What did Jesus use to overthrow satan? "It is written."



Take up your cross. . and follow me, to the place where

there is NOT one........for the things "written" concerning ME

have an end..........there is no end to the reign........but

there is an end to the suffering.  Be thou faithful unto death

and I will give thee a crown of life.  Thou shalt have tribulation

ten days......only ten days.  The light affliction worketh for us

a GREAT and MIGHTY WEIGHT of GLORY!  The camels are coming.

Isa. 60. If they are not here, look for them. All of His Word is

yea and amen.  It is written.



When "faith" cometh, it never fails, to swallow up MY doubts.

It never fails to overrun my fears.  It never fails to meet MY NEEDS.  His mercy is like the sun, comes up every morning.

Is sure. Is established in the heaven above the heaven.

Is seen in the Secret place.



Lifts beggars from the dunghill to the throne.............in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.



Does not have respect of persons.



Rejoices not in evil........but rejoices in "truth."



DWELLS in the Secret PLACE.

Has ascended to NOT descend henceforth!

He dieth NO More!

Is triumphant over death hell and the grave!

And has the keys to such, and gives to PETER the keys to the Kingdom.



Keeps mercy to a thousand generations.

Breaks not a bruised  reed. 

Quenches not a "smoking' flax.

Delivers with no smell of "smoke" left!



The God I know...........

Walks thru walls..........

Speaks from HEAVEN........

Rides on the Wind....................

Subdues ..........................................

Overcomes..............................................

Teaches by parables..............

Tells Secrets to those witnesses He has chosen............

Keeps His Word..........

Honors His Word above His Name........

Comes in Spirit as He promised.............

And the world knoweth Him not......................

Needeth not that "any man" should testify of HIM............

Spreads a feast in the presence of our enemies..........

Answers PRAYER

LOVES...........

Demonstrated and demonstrates HIS LOVE

Is more than Word, He is Spirit.........

Lays down His LIFE, sends it in the form of ETERNAL Spirit....

Conquers...........our enemies.........

Meets us on Mt. Zion, and puts a "banner" over us........

Does all things "well" .........

Has no "shadow" of turning.........

Causes wildernesses to instantly turn to WATERSPRINGS

Sends WATER from ABOVE that overcomes the lower pool...........

Reveals Himself........as He wills.......

Gives "dreams" in the night.............while "sleep" falls on man........

Withdraws man from "his" purpose by such means.

Replaces our FEARS with FAITH.

Triumphs and gives us the VIctory! "gives" .......

Causes us "ever" to seek........

Digs a big hole in us that nothing but HIM will fill...........

Nothing..............but HIM.

Ceases from speaking in thunder and lightening....

Speaks in a still small voice...........

That will NEVER pass us by...........

Worketh "all" things together for our GOOD!

Gives us "fellowship" in the Father and in the SON!

Is akin to Joshua and Caleb

Saying, "WE are able............"

Calls the NEGATIVE an "evil" report!

Overcomes it by His Word and Spirit!

Looks beyond our "faults" and sees our NEED.


Is acquainted with our downsitting and our UPrising!

Knoweth what we have NEED of before we ask!

Works in us HIS Will both to will and to "do" .....

Never asks our flesh to do the Works of HIS Spirit.........

But does them IN US, For us, for HIS Glory!

Divides the darkness from the Light

Divides the Day from the Night

Continues.........

Searches our the darkness..........

Searches out Perfection, Job 28 says, and

Turns the stones of darkness to saphires

The "dust" to gold........

Gives us the RECORD of His SON

Puts the TESTIMONY of HIS SON in His ARK!



















I am on my soapbox this morning

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: THANK YOU, Lord, I needed that...........Amen and amen.  Let all the idols come crashing down, let the fire of Your Spirit consume them, AND the water too. Let us behold Your glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, in our midst. We give You praise this day, for You are worthy to be praised. :HeartThrob:

[hopeful]

 :girlheart:

[Kratos]

Amen and Amen and Amen!

Thank you for something uplifting and faith building. Such words seem hard to find these days.

John

[Transponder]

:cloud9: I won't share the Word He gave me Trans, but I will tell you I never heard it before, and it was 4 months before I found another part of it was even in the Bible. I had asked at least 5 pastors at this time what one unusual word of this Word meant, and not one of them even told me it was in the Bible, nor did they know what it meant. I stumbled across it myself, in my Strong's concordance 4 months later.

He spoke it to me in the shower, and it was the oddest sensation, as I felt the water of the shower pouring over me AND the water of the Spirit pouring over me at the same time. I came upstairs and asked my mother if she knew if there was anyone in the Bible by this name, and what was it about him? She didn't know, either. Catholics back then at least in her parish, were being told not to read the Bible as only a biblical scholar could understand it  :sigh:, a fact her brother confirmed to me also, later. Thus, they never learned it, either.

And while I fully understand your skepticism (remember I was a skeptic too), and I think you're missing a piece to the puzzle. True, all those counterfeits, the spirits behind them are capable of giving out some correct information to the ones that go to them. But for every counterfeit that exists, there is a reality in God's Spirit that has been mimicked but not duplicated, because Satan can only mimic what God has, but never duplicate it. I'm telling you here what the reality is, and it's not a counterfeit. I do appreciate you're being kind about your disagreement with me, however........Blessings to all.....

Now I am puzzled. Why don't you want to say what part of the OT God quoted to you which you had never heard before?   

"asked my mother if she knew if there was anyone in the Bible by this name, and what was it about him?" It's a name, is it?

"Catholics back then at least in her parish, were being told not to read the Bible as only a biblical scholar could understand it  :sigh:, a fact her brother confirmed to me also, later."

Goodness, where did you live? 16th century Madrid?

"True, all those counterfeits, the spirits behind them are capable of giving out some correct information to the ones that go to them. But for every counterfeit that exists, there is a reality in God's Spirit that has been mimicked but not duplicated, because Satan can only mimic what God has"

You will see, of course, how this looks to an unbeliever; anything that doesn't work is a devil's trick; anything that does, alleluia! This a way of manipulating the odds in favour of the required result.

[Transponder]

The God I know is the ONLY one that hath delivered,
doth deliver, and shall yet deliver.
He is unlike any other VOICE I have ever heard.
He is not a "man" that He should lie.
I hold to His Word for it is my ONLY hope!
If in this life only, we have hope, we are of all men MOST Miserable.


What did Jesus use to overthrow satan? "It is written."



Take up your cross. . and follow me, to the place where

there is NOT one........for the things "written" concerning ME

have an end..........there is no end to the reign........but

there is an end to the suffering.  Be thou faithful unto death

and I will give thee a crown of life.  Thou shalt have tribulation

ten days......only ten days.  The light affliction worketh for us

a GREAT and MIGHTY WEIGHT of GLORY!  The camels are coming.

Isa. 60. If they are not here, look for them. All of His Word is

yea and amen.  It is written.



When "faith" cometh, it never fails, to swallow up MY doubts.

It never fails to overrun my fears.  It never fails to meet MY NEEDS.  His mercy is like the sun, comes up every morning.

Is sure. Is established in the heaven above the heaven.

Is seen in the Secret place.



Lifts beggars from the dunghill to the throne.............in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.



Does not have respect of persons.



Rejoices not in evil........but rejoices in "truth."



DWELLS in the Secret PLACE.

Has ascended to NOT descend henceforth!

He dieth NO More!

Is triumphant over death hell and the grave!

And has the keys to such, and gives to PETER the keys to the Kingdom.



Keeps mercy to a thousand generations.

Breaks not a bruised  reed. 

Quenches not a "smoking' flax.

Delivers with no smell of "smoke" left!



The God I know...........

Walks thru walls..........

Speaks from HEAVEN........

Rides on the Wind....................

Subdues ..........................................

Overcomes..............................................

Teaches by parables..............

Tells Secrets to those witnesses He has chosen............

Keeps His Word..........

Honors His Word above His Name........

Comes in Spirit as He promised.............

And the world knoweth Him not......................

Needeth not that "any man" should testify of HIM............

Spreads a feast in the presence of our enemies..........

Answers PRAYER

LOVES...........

Demonstrated and demonstrates HIS LOVE

Is more than Word, He is Spirit.........

Lays down His LIFE, sends it in the form of ETERNAL Spirit....

Conquers...........our enemies.........

Meets us on Mt. Zion, and puts a "banner" over us........

Does all things "well" .........

Has no "shadow" of turning.........

Causes wildernesses to instantly turn to WATERSPRINGS

Sends WATER from ABOVE that overcomes the lower pool...........

Reveals Himself........as He wills.......

Gives "dreams" in the night.............while "sleep" falls on man........

Withdraws man from "his" purpose by such means.

Replaces our FEARS with FAITH.

Triumphs and gives us the VIctory! "gives" .......

Causes us "ever" to seek........

Digs a big hole in us that nothing but HIM will fill...........

Nothing..............but HIM.

Ceases from speaking in thunder and lightening....

Speaks in a still small voice...........

That will NEVER pass us by...........

Worketh "all" things together for our GOOD!

Gives us "fellowship" in the Father and in the SON!

Is akin to Joshua and Caleb

Saying, "WE are able............"

Calls the NEGATIVE an "evil" report!

Overcomes it by His Word and Spirit!

Looks beyond our "faults" and sees our NEED.


Is acquainted with our downsitting and our UPrising!

Knoweth what we have NEED of before we ask!

Works in us HIS Will both to will and to "do" .....

Never asks our flesh to do the Works of HIS Spirit.........

But does them IN US, For us, for HIS Glory!

Divides the darkness from the Light

Divides the Day from the Night

Continues.........

Searches our the darkness..........

Searches out Perfection, Job 28 says, and

Turns the stones of darkness to saphires

The "dust" to gold........

Gives us the RECORD of His SON

Puts the TESTIMONY of HIS SON in His ARK!



















I am on my soapbox this morning

Sorry.  :dontknow: The God you know exists only in the Bible and your head.

[Transponder]

:cloud9: THANK YOU, Lord, I needed that...........Amen and amen.  Let all the idols come crashing down, let the fire of Your Spirit consume them, AND the water too. Let us behold Your glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, in our midst. We give You praise this day, for You are worthy to be praised. :HeartThrob:

Oh dear, oh dear. Doesn't anyone use logic and reason around here rather than froth-at-the-mouth preaching?

[Transponder]

And rightly so. I am currently reading Garwood's book on the Flat earthists. It is a revelation as to how evidence is ignored, logic twisted, belief triumphs over reason and science vilified as a conspiracy to lead people from the Bible.

The flat earth has been effectively put to bed, but there are many more gaps for god. Evolution is beng treated in the same way, the origins of the universe are being treated in the same way.

For a group that seem to claim that the Bible is not important for faith and, indeed, they don't read it much (presumably because it might not agree with the theological template in their head) there is an awful lot of proof by Bible-quotes. Clearly, it is not only a circular argument, but a selective circular argument which is not, actually an argument at all. It is nothng; nothing at all, other than faith and a very selective faith, too.

[firstborn888]

I always get stumped by those who trot out a supposed miracle which proves the reality of something. It puts me on the back foot immediately as I am disinclined to cast doubt on a personal experience of that kind.

Hey trans,

There's just no way to show you. When it happens, you'll know and then people won't know how you're so sure either. And you won't be able to show them either.  :bigGrin:

I will give you another one to ponder though.

http://scaredofhell.com/Testimonies.html

Mine is the third one down called "Byron's Story".

Maybe someone can calculate the odds of someone else who had no clue what was going through my head picking one phrase out of a book that size which would answer the only question on my mind.

I used to think it happened because I was 'special' and 'chosen'. Now I realize that I'm just so dang hard-headed - I needed proof (remind you of anyone?).

Also you'll notice the verse was TOTALLY out of context.

blessings,
- byron

[Transponder]

I always get stumped by those who trot out a supposed miracle which proves the reality of something. It puts me on the back foot immediately as I am disinclined to cast doubt on a personal experience of that kind.

Hey trans,

There's just no way to show you. When it happens, you'll know and then people won't know how you're so sure either. And you won't be able to show them either.  :bigGrin:

I will give you another one to ponder though.

http://scaredofhell.com/Testimonies.html

Mine is the third one down called "Byron's Story".

Maybe someone can calculate the odds of someone else who had no clue what was going through my head picking one phrase out of a book that size which would answer the only question on my mind.

I used to think it happened because I was 'special' and 'chosen'. Now I realize that I'm just so dang hard-headed - I needed proof (remind you of anyone?).

Also you'll notice the verse was TOTALLY out of context.

blessings,
- byron

Interesting...someone "in search of something, but didn't know what..."(1). Sorry You want me read it for what..to persuade me? ould you in turn read a few deconversion stories?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8453.htm

(1) The reason why people converted to moonieism

[firstborn888]

I always get stumped by those who trot out a supposed miracle which proves the reality of something. It puts me on the back foot immediately as I am disinclined to cast doubt on a personal experience of that kind.

Hey trans,

There's just no way to show you. When it happens, you'll know and then people won't know how you're so sure either. And you won't be able to show them either.  :bigGrin:

I will give you another one to ponder though.

http://scaredofhell.com/Testimonies.html

Mine is the third one down called "Byron's Story".

Maybe someone can calculate the odds of someone else who had no clue what was going through my head picking one phrase out of a book that size which would answer the only question on my mind.

I used to think it happened because I was 'special' and 'chosen'. Now I realize that I'm just so dang hard-headed - I needed proof (remind you of anyone?).

Also you'll notice the verse was TOTALLY out of context.

blessings,
- byron

Interesting...someone "in search of something, but didn't know what..."(1). Sorry You want me read it for what..to persuade me? ould you in turn read a few deconversion stories?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8453.htm

(1) The reason why people converted to moonieism

Sounds like you read the wrong one? I didn't ever say the word 'search' in mine.

Persuade you? I thought you may be interested in unexplained phenomena, but I clearly stated "There's just no way to show you. When it happens, you'll know and then people won't know how you're so sure either. And you won't be able to show them either".

Are you just skimming these posts or what?

Sure, I'll read a de-conversion story, no problem.

blessings,
  _ Byron

[firstborn888]

Okay, I read about 15 of the original de-conversion stories and saw nothing I could relate to personally since about 90% or so began "I was raised 'such and such'" which means they had religion, not reality. If you have a specific one that you feel is 'telling' in some way, let me know and I'll read that too. All these first 15 were just typical stuff....

blessings,
- Byron

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I know how it looks to an unbeliever Trans.......remember, I was one. I told you what happened to me that changed my status forever. And the reason I won't share it is because it was something personal and precious for me, that will have no real bearing on the topic. Thank you, however, for discussing it with me civilly; I do appreciate that. Blessings to you.......

[jenna]

:cloud9: THANK YOU, Lord, I needed that...........Amen and amen.  Let all the idols come crashing down, let the fire of Your Spirit consume them, AND the water too. Let us behold Your glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, in our midst. We give You praise this day, for You are worthy to be praised. :HeartThrob:

Oh dear, oh dear. Doesn't anyone use logic and reason around here rather than froth-at-the-mouth preaching?

Ok, I was being patient, but now I am really starting to get P.O.'d here. No one is preaching here, they are praising God. Why do you have such a big problem with that? And telling someone that the God they know is only in their head and the bible? What exactly is your reason for being here? Is it only to make fun of those who believe? :thewife: :spank:

[Transponder]

I always get stumped by those who trot out a supposed miracle which proves the reality of something. It puts me on the back foot immediately as I am disinclined to cast doubt on a personal experience of that kind.

Hey trans,

There's just no way to show you. When it happens, you'll know and then people won't know how you're so sure either. And you won't be able to show them either.  :bigGrin:

I will give you another one to ponder though.

http://scaredofhell.com/Testimonies.html

Mine is the third one down called "Byron's Story".

Maybe someone can calculate the odds of someone else who had no clue what was going through my head picking one phrase out of a book that size which would answer the only question on my mind.

I used to think it happened because I was 'special' and 'chosen'. Now I realize that I'm just so dang hard-headed - I needed proof (remind you of anyone?).

Also you'll notice the verse was TOTALLY out of context.

blessings,
- byron

Interesting...someone "in search of something, but didn't know what..."(1). Sorry You want me read it for what..to persuade me? ould you in turn read a few deconversion stories?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8453.htm

(1) The reason why people converted to moonieism

Sounds like you read the wrong one? I didn't ever say the word 'search' in mine.

Persuade you? I thought you may be interested in unexplained phenomena, but I clearly stated "There's just no way to show you. When it happens, you'll know and then people won't know how you're so sure either. And you won't be able to show them either".

Are you just skimming these posts or what?

Sure, I'll read a de-conversion story, no problem.

blessings,
  _ Byron

Ok I may have gone off at a tangent. If it not too long could you copy/paste here  - or the relevant part so I can see what you mean?

Sometimes I do skim the posts, admitted. I am quite interested in unexplained phenomena. I am also interested in the various explanations for unexplained phenomena. I just don't see any reason to buy into any one explanation rather than the others. I expect you did because it was the cultural context you had. If you lived in India you'd have probably grown your hair and worn cow dung and be telling western visitors that 'When it happens to you, you'll know'. 


(later) ok, I read Byron's story. I don't want to scrabble through your scrapbook publicly but it's really the old story. Person in need gets a mental message about their present condition. Practised apologist finds something appropriate in the Bible. Job done. Note that you went to the guy already half convinced that it was God, not your own problems.

It's fine that you found what you needed. It is fine for you.  However, if you think about the matter you must see that the message had to come from within, not from without.

[Transponder]

:cloud9: THANK YOU, Lord, I needed that...........Amen and amen.  Let all the idols come crashing down, let the fire of Your Spirit consume them, AND the water too. Let us behold Your glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, in our midst. We give You praise this day, for You are worthy to be praised. :HeartThrob:

Oh dear, oh dear. Doesn't anyone use logic and reason around here rather than froth-at-the-mouth preaching?

Ok, I was being patient, but now I am really starting to get P.O.'d here. No one is preaching here, they are praising God. Why do you have such a big problem with that? And telling someone that the God they know is only in their head and the bible? What exactly is your reason for being here? Is it only to make fun of those who believe? :thewife: :spank:

Oh, I am so sorry I am peeing you off, please don't go and beat up on your husband. :laughing7:

Preaching or praising God? It's hard to tell the difference. Take your point though. I should just bleep over that where not addressed to me.  just pees me off a bit too when I write a reasoned post, gets a response that is airy fairy flannel and everyone says what an inspiring post. It really shows Jesus is real and God is love! Praise him and so on.. :sigh:   

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: You haven't done your homework on this one, Trans :winkgrin:......God sent the praisers out first in battles sometimes and then the battle was over before it even started. Thus the scripture, God inhabits the praises of His people. That "airy fairy flannel" sometimes can pack quite a "punch"  :mshock:  Blessings to you buddy....... :thumbsup:

[Transponder]

:cloud9: You haven't done your homework on this one, Trans :winkgrin:......God sent the praisers out first in battles sometimes and then the battle was over before it even started. Thus the scripture, God inhabits the praises of His people. That "airy fairy flannel" sometimes can pack quite a "punch"  :mshock:  Blessings to you buddy....... :thumbsup:

Yes, indeed it can...for those that don't know how to block and hit back. For some reason there are no college courses or night schools on it. Maybe I should start one. For I did my homework, oh yes. Trust me,  I did my homework. You telling me you can't see that?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: No, I'm giving you a gentle "ribbing".......you telling me you can't see that?  :winkgrin:

[firstborn888]

(later) ok, I read Byron's story. I don't want to scrabble through your scrapbook publicly but it's really the old story. Person in need gets a mental message about their present condition. Practised apologist finds something appropriate in the Bible. Job done. Note that you went to the guy already half convinced that it was God, not your own problems.

Yes, since I never heard a voice like that, I was really freaked out that it might be a powerful alien or God.

Still there were crazy odds against this. The one practised apologist (20 year old hippie Jesus freak) I went to reads my mind and pulls out an out of context verse (Jesus was speaking about Himself) which is an exact match (starving- I have food).

The odds are staggering that it would happen by accident. What happened inside is the work of God which I can't show you proof of. No one that knew me well had many doubts though (transformed).

Okay, so we were mutually unimpressed by each others conversion and deconversion  stories.  :laughing7:

People who just have a head knowledge of God lose faith all the time. Same 'ol same 'ol "I used to think this and now I think this blah blah blah"

blessings,
- byron

[Transponder]

:cloud9: No, I'm giving you a gentle "ribbing".......you telling me you can't see that?  :winkgrin:

Gentle ribbing or not, you made a statement that I have researched poorly. Presumably because I did not mention the contested theory that the armies of the Israelites sent Hoshana-shouters on ahead to ensure they won (which they didn't - always).

However, it gave me the opportunity to point out that lack of training on how to counter hard-sell of any kind, including the cultist and evangelical, is leaving most of the unprepared populace at risk from the cultist, con-man and love-bomber.

[Transponder]

(later) ok, I read Byron's story. I don't want to scrabble through your scrapbook publicly but it's really the old story. Person in need gets a mental message about their present condition. Practised apologist finds something appropriate in the Bible. Job done. Note that you went to the guy already half convinced that it was God, not your own problems.

Yes, since I never heard a voice like that, I was really freaked out that it might be a powerful alien or God.

Still there were crazy odds against this. The one practised apologist (20 year old hippie Jesus freak) I went to reads my mind and pulls out an out of context verse (Jesus was speaking about Himself) which is an exact match (starving- I have food).

The odds are staggering that it would happen by accident. What happened inside is the work of God which I can't show you proof of. No one that knew me well had many doubts though (transformed).

Okay, so we were mutually unimpressed by each others conversion and deconversion  stories.  :laughing7:

People who just have a head knowledge of God lose faith all the time. Same 'ol same 'ol "I used to think this and now I think this blah blah blah"

blessings,
- byron

Well, yes. I think we shall have to respect each others' views on this as I am diffident about wiggling the nails (1) out of this edifice which propped your life up at a difficult time. I'd just say that I recieved one of those pesky e-messages with 'funny picture' or 'someone's look at life' with the remarkable links between the Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations. Words like 'Ford' and 'Lincoln', Monroe, Maryland and Marylyn Monroe. Can't just be chance, can it?

(1) such as the exact match of starving = food...not really much need to fish about for a practiced evangelist. I could have taken my comment about skimming the surface and found a parallel about searching deeper for truth, for all that I'd probably need to google for it, not being a practiced evangelical.

[firstborn888]

(1) such as the exact match of starving = food...not really much need to fish about for a practiced evangelist. I could have taken my comment about skimming the surface and found a parallel about searching deeper for truth, for all that I'd probably need to google for it, not being a practiced evangelical.

Well, okay. I still think you may have missed the point that this was not a preacher and that I told him nothing of the 'starving to death' but, if you think it's coincidence - fine.

Just as you are a bit blunt about what you perceive about people's "God in their heads", let me be a bit blunt as well, if I may.

There's folks like you, who have no sense of the supernatural, folks that have 'religious faith' and hyper imaginations (the type that de-convert a lot), folks with spiritual experiences which come from being in contact with the unseen world and then those who are in contact with the unseen world and in contact (relationship) with the creator of the seen and the unseen world.

So you, being in the first category, don't see that you're missing anything and see all others to be in the second category? That's what it looks like from here, like you have physical senses but not spiritual senses, and those who do, you assume to be illogical and possessors of a vivid imagination.

That doesn't make you any 'less' than anyone else (to me), but it would make you less gifted than some in that particular area, just as I am probably less gifted than you intellectually. So that's pretty much where it will stay until the "God I know" does something different with ya'.

Since the unseen world sustains and created the seen world, you must eventually know this, perhaps upon death - hopefully (from my perspective) sooner, since your breathe came from God just like mine. But, since you don't see it I can assume everything I'm saying right now sounds like blah blah blah blah to you, so, I guess I'll rest my fingers now.


blessings,
- Byron