When the Year of the Second Coming Will Be, the Millennial Shabbat of Year 6000

[cgaviria]

I just finished a new study on why I believe the second coming of the Messiah is just under 8 years away from today. Although no one knows the day nor the hour, we can come to know the year, just as the Israelites knew the year of their own deliverance, since Abraham was told "your descendants shall be afflicted 400 years". My research is based on counting the known genealogies beginning from Adam, also certain timelines of the scriptures, like the entrance of the Israelites into Egypt, and their exodus (taking into account several misconceptions of when the 430 and 400 year timelines to the exodus of Israel from Egypt actually began), also when the first temple was constructed, then the timelines of the kings of Judah (taking into account coregencies), then the 490 years prophecy of Daniel, then the timeline from the baptism of the Messiah to today, also the Jubilee cycles of the Torah, also the 1,290+1335 years of Daniel and how they relate to the Dome of the Rock and the time of the end, and ultimately, why the Messiah would indeed come on a Year 6000 and why his rulership is one thousand years on earth. I have also converted the calculated years since the beginning into Gregorian years, where it can be seen that the calculated Gregorian year of those events do indeed line up with the approximate known year of those events by experts. http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2018/11/06/when-the-year-of-the-second-coming-will-be-the-millennial-shabbat-of-the-year-6000-yb-jubilees-and-the-12901335-days-of-daniel/ .

[trettep]

You might want to fix a couple things right off:

#1.  We can know the day and hour.  The reference in Matthew 24:36 was stated in the PERFECT Tense. 

The apostles had not yet received the Holy Spirit and would be able to know the Day and Hour until they did receive it.  See Acts 1 when they get the POWER then they can know and that comes from receipt of the Holy Spirit.  Also consider the following:

Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 

Now we can use the inverse of that verse which would be - if you do watch, He wont come on you as a thief, because you will know the hour.

#2.  Jubilees are 50 years but they are counted in 49 year cycles.  Therefore it is 1,2,3...50/1
You see the 50th year is ALSO the first year of the new cycle.

Hope that helps.

[cgaviria]

You might want to fix a couple things right off:

#1.  We can know the day and hour.  The reference in Matthew 24:36 was stated in the PERFECT Tense. 

The apostles had not yet received the Holy Spirit and would be able to know the Day and Hour until they did receive it.  See Acts 1 when they get the POWER then they can know and that comes from receipt of the Holy Spirit.  Also consider the following:

Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now we can use the inverse of that verse which would be - if you do watch, He wont come on you as a thief, because you will know the hour.

#2.  Jubilees are 50 years but they are counted in 49 year cycles.  Therefore it is 1,2,3...50/1
You see the 50th year is ALSO the first year of the new cycle.

Hope that helps.

Jubilees are counted with 49 year cycles because there are 7 x 7 Shabbat cycles within each 50th Jubilee year set. As such, Jubilees are every 50 years, not every 49 years.  MOD EDIT  Clearly God gave us his appointed times not so that we would be ignorant, but so that we be informed.   MOD EDIT

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[Shev]

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority." (Acts 1:6-7)

Unfortunately, in my opinion, all of the careful analysis will lead to just one more failed prophecy in a church age littered with them.

[MusicLover123]

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

I think that is a good argument to say that Jesus now knows what time is His return. Maybe at that time He did not, but then God revealed it to Jesus.

We are told to watch for signs. Especially when more and more are being fulfilled lately, there comes a point I think that you can't ignore them anymore.

I also see that unlike past predictions, they aren't wild guesses, but based on things like genealogies. Sure, there are many false prophets, but that does not mean there are not any true prophets. Sure, we may not know the day nor hour, but that doesn't mean we cannot know the week or month or year.

Example, look at the next verse of the Matthew one:

Mat 24:37  But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 

I haven't been given any special revelation on this, but I do think we are quite close to His return. The bunch of liars and false prophets make it quite off-putting, but it just makes us appreciate the truth even more.

[trettep]

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority." (Acts 1:6-7)

Unfortunately, in my opinion, all of the careful analysis will lead to just one more failed prophecy in a church age littered with them.

Hi Shev,

I just want to address the verses you mentioned.  They don't say what you think they do.  They verb doesn't use the FUTURE tense.  It uses the Perfect Tense.  So we shouldn't try to apply to any future event outside of the time when Jesus spoke it because He didn't say it that way.

Additionally, if it was true it would contradict other verses that show we can know such as in ACTS 1 upon receiving the Holy Spirit.

Not trying to be terse with you, just wanting to ensure we all preaching the Truth.

[MusicLover123]

This isn't from me, but wanted to share it:

"Days and Hours

When the disciples privately asked Jesus, in Matthew 24:3,

3 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

He answered in verse 4, "Take heed that no man deceive you." Then He went on to explain that even though "of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" (verse 36), nevertheless "as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (verse 37). As God gave advance notice of the first Flood, so also will He do before the Flood of the Spirit. Luke makes this even more plain, as he differentiates between the servant "which knew his Lord's Will" (Luke 12:47) and "he that knew not" (Luke 12:48).

Psalm 25:14 says, "The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant." Yes, God does reveal His secrets to men. He only hides them when it is not appropriate for us to know the times and seasons. It is now time for God to reveal these things, because we are at the end of the Age of Pentecost.

The Feast of Tabernacles stands before us. God is separating the barley from the wheat. The time of parables is over, for they were made to hide the mysteries of God (Mark 13:10-17). It is now time for the fulfillment of Matthew 13:35, "I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

[trettep]

This isn't from me, but wanted to share it:

"Days and Hours

When the disciples privately asked Jesus, in Matthew 24:3,

3 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

He answered in verse 4, "Take heed that no man deceive you." Then He went on to explain that even though "of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" (verse 36), nevertheless "as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (verse 37). As God gave advance notice of the first Flood, so also will He do before the Flood of the Spirit. Luke makes this even more plain, as he differentiates between the servant "which knew his Lord's Will" (Luke 12:47) and "he that knew not" (Luke 12:48).

Psalm 25:14 says, "The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant." Yes, God does reveal His secrets to men. He only hides them when it is not appropriate for us to know the times and seasons. It is now time for God to reveal these things, because we are at the end of the Age of Pentecost.

The Feast of Tabernacles stands before us. God is separating the barley from the wheat. The time of parables is over, for they were made to hide the mysteries of God (Mark 13:10-17). It is now time for the fulfillment of Matthew 13:35, "I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

I think one of the greatest tragedies in these times is that people believe that they CAN'T know the day and hour of His return. 

[Shev]

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority." (Acts 1:6-7)

Unfortunately, in my opinion, all of the careful analysis will lead to just one more failed prophecy in a church age littered with them.

Hi Shev,

I just want to address the verses you mentioned.  They don't say what you think they do.  They verb doesn't use the FUTURE tense.  It uses the Perfect Tense.  So we shouldn't try to apply to any future event outside of the time when Jesus spoke it because He didn't say it that way.

Additionally, if it was true it would contradict other verses that show we can know such as in ACTS 1 upon receiving the Holy Spirit.

Not trying to be terse with you, just wanting to ensure we all preaching the Truth.

It's a bit like trying to prove a negative - "Because Christ only said He did not know at that time, He must now know!" or "Because He told them that at THAT time, it was not for them to know dates and seasons God has set under His control, it must mean that believers in THIS time are supposed to know!" I am not saying it is impossible, just not necessarily a logical consequence. So if anything Christ said then must be future tense to have implication for us now, we will find ourselves down some rather confined cul-de-sacs!

Of course we all feel it is "soon" - even the fact that we are two thousands years since Christ's incarnation causes a thrill of a excitement to pass through all of us! Though it should also be noted that the phrase "second coming" does not appear in scripture, and has causes many of His comings to become conflated.

The reasons for why we can know the time (week, month, year, whatever) are no different than those given for the thousands upon thousands of failed date settings to the present time. What makes us superior to all of these other saints who earnestly believed that they knew the precise time? Many sincere saints have keenly studied to figure out precise equations that point to a specific date (perhaps the problem is in the end of that sentence!)

I believe there is a practical reason we are not given the exact times - we should have our eyes on Christ, rather than a calendar. His coming is a spiritual mystery first of all, unfolded indeed in the realm of time and space, but originating in heavenly places. As soon as we think we have nailed down a temporal aspect of a spiritual mystery (and by definition time IS temporal) we are in danger of losing focus.

[trettep]

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority." (Acts 1:6-7)

Unfortunately, in my opinion, all of the careful analysis will lead to just one more failed prophecy in a church age littered with them.

Hi Shev,

I just want to address the verses you mentioned.  They don't say what you think they do.  They verb doesn't use the FUTURE tense.  It uses the Perfect Tense.  So we shouldn't try to apply to any future event outside of the time when Jesus spoke it because He didn't say it that way.

Additionally, if it was true it would contradict other verses that show we can know such as in ACTS 1 upon receiving the Holy Spirit.

Not trying to be terse with you, just wanting to ensure we all preaching the Truth.

It's a bit like trying to prove a negative - "Because Christ only said He did not know at that time, He must now know!" or "Because He told them that at THAT time, it was not for them to know dates and seasons God has set under His control, it must mean that believers in THIS time are supposed to know!" I am not saying it is impossible, just not necessarily a logical consequence. So if anything Christ said then must be future tense to have implication for us now, we will find ourselves down some rather confined cul-de-sacs!

Of course we all feel it is "soon" - even the fact that we are two thousands years since Christ's incarnation causes a thrill of a excitement to pass through all of us! Though it should also be noted that the phrase "second coming" does not appear in scripture, and has causes many of His comings to become conflated.

The reasons for why we can know the time (week, month, year, whatever) are no different than those given for the thousands upon thousands of failed date settings to the present time. What makes us superior to all of these other saints who earnestly believed that they knew the precise time? Many sincere saints have keenly studied to figure out precise equations that point to a specific date (perhaps the problem is in the end of that sentence!)

I believe there is a practical reason we are not given the exact times - we should have our eyes on Christ, rather than a calendar. His coming is a spiritual mystery first of all, unfolded indeed in the realm of time and space, but originating in heavenly places. As soon as we think we have nailed down a temporal aspect of a spiritual mystery (and by definition time IS temporal) we are in danger of losing focus.

It is wrong thinking and easily disproved. Take the following:

Mat 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 

Mat 24:36  ButG1161 ofG4012 thatG1565 dayG2250 andG2532 hourG5610 knowethG1492 noG3762 man, no, notG3761 theG3588 angelsG32 of heaven,G3772 butG1508 myG3450 FatherG3962 only.G3441 

Mat 24:36  περιG4012 PREP δεG1161 CONJ τηςG3588 T-GSF ημεραςG2250 N-GSF εκεινηςG1565 D-GSF καιG2532 CONJ τηςG3588 T-GSF ωραςG5610 N-GSF ουδειςG3762 A-NSM-N οιδενG1492 V-RAI-3S ουδεG3761 CONJ-N οιG3588 T-NPM αγγελοιG32 N-NPM τωνG3588 T-GPM ουρανωνG3772 N-GPM ειG1487 COND μηG3361 PRT-N οG3588 T-NSM πατηρG3962 N-NSM μουG1473 P-1GS μονοςG3441 A-NSM 

Take that parsing above. It is showing Perfect tense for the verb which is a form of PRESENT tense when it was stated.

[Dandelion]

Personally, I think we should live our lives the best we can and not concern ourselves with when the second coming is.

Jesus didn't know the time or date, so why should we be privey to it?

And, how is this going to change our lives, day to day?

Jesus said we will be caught off guard, and we will be living our lives when all of a sudden, the time will be here.

The best thing we can do to prepare for death or the second coming, is to live each day, walking with the Lord, as Noah did. And, trust the Lord, the way Noah did. And, follow the Law of Love, that Jesus gave to us.

I agree with Shev:

I believe there is a practical reason we are not given the exact times - we should have our eyes on Christ, rather than a calendar. His coming is a spiritual mystery first of all, unfolded indeed in the realm of time and space, but originating in heavenly places. As soon as we think we have nailed down a temporal aspect of a spiritual mystery (and by definition time IS temporal) we are in danger of losing focus.


I guess I say this everytime this topic comes up........which is often.

My  :2c:

D.

[cgaviria]

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority." (Acts 1:6-7)

Unfortunately, in my opinion, all of the careful analysis will lead to just one more failed prophecy in a church age littered with them.

Hi Shev,

I just want to address the verses you mentioned.  They don't say what you think they do.  They verb doesn't use the FUTURE tense.  It uses the Perfect Tense.  So we shouldn't try to apply to any future event outside of the time when Jesus spoke it because He didn't say it that way.

Additionally, if it was true it would contradict other verses that show we can know such as in ACTS 1 upon receiving the Holy Spirit.

Not trying to be terse with you, just wanting to ensure we all preaching the Truth.

The night only has so many hours, and let us say the Master says to his servants in a house, "I am coming in the night!". When it was 6:00pm, no one knew if the Master was coming in an hour, or two hours, or three hours, or six hours, or even nine hours..... this was the apostle and believers around 2,000 years ago..... but then let us say it is now 5:00am, just before the crack of dawn, then surely the servants know the Master is about to come, in that final hour, knowing it is the latest time, in the evening, that he would come. That is us now, around 2,000 years later, because the latest the Messiah would indeed come, is the Year 6000. The coming of the Messiah is not just some random event, it is a calculated event, at a precise time, at a precise year, that corresponds to the appointed times of the Torah, just as his first coming corresponded to the appointed times of the Torah. We do know the year of the second coming of the Messiah, because of the appointed times given to us, and even from ancient writings in epistles not included in the canon back then they knew the Messiah would return for begin the millennial Shabbat, this isn't any new information, its whats been predestined since the very beginning. The reason knowing this is important is because of the sense of urgency. We are truly in the last hour. Around 8 years left. IT IS TIME TO PREPARE IF YOU HAVENT DONE SO ALREADY.

[cgaviria]

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority." (Acts 1:6-7)

Unfortunately, in my opinion, all of the careful analysis will lead to just one more failed prophecy in a church age littered with them.

Hi Shev,

I just want to address the verses you mentioned.  They don't say what you think they do.  They verb doesn't use the FUTURE tense.  It uses the Perfect Tense.  So we shouldn't try to apply to any future event outside of the time when Jesus spoke it because He didn't say it that way.

Additionally, if it was true it would contradict other verses that show we can know such as in ACTS 1 upon receiving the Holy Spirit.

Not trying to be terse with you, just wanting to ensure we all preaching the Truth.

The night only has so many hours, and let us say the Master says to his servants in a house, "I am coming in the night!". When it was 6:00pm, no one knew if the Master was coming in an hour, or two hours, or three hours, or six hours, or even nine hours..... this was the apostle and believers around 2,000 years ago..... but then let us say it is now 5:00am, just before the crack of dawn, then surely the servants know the Master is about to come, in that final hour, knowing it is the latest time, in the evening, that he would come. That is us now, around 2,000 years later, because the latest the Messiah would indeed come, is the Year 6000. The coming of the Messiah is not just some random event, it is a calculated event, at a precise time, at a precise year, that corresponds to the appointed times of the Torah, just as his first coming corresponded to the appointed times of the Torah. We do know the year of the second coming of the Messiah, because of the appointed times given to us, and even from ancient writings in epistles not included in the canon back then they knew the Messiah would return for begin the millennial Shabbat, this isn't any new information, its whats been predestined since the very beginning. And now that around 2,000 years have passed since his anointing, and our approach to the Year 6000, now we truly we are approaching the final hour when he would indeed appear. The reason knowing this is important is because of the sense of urgency. We are truly in the last hour. Around 8 years left. IT IS TIME TO PREPARE IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY. This knowledge is not based on what wackos have said over hundreds of year, giving stupid reasons to predict the second coming, like "oh because there are 3 stars there, so in 3 years it will happen". No, this knowledge is based on genealogies and timelines of the bible, on prophetic timelines of Daniel, which are exact, and the appointed times of the Torah, like Shabbats and Jubilees. It is rock solid. BELIEVE.

[trettep]

Personally, I think we should live our lives the best we can and not concern ourselves with when the second coming is.

Jesus didn't know the time or date, so why should we be privey to it?

And, how is this going to change our lives, day to day?

Jesus said we will be caught off guard, and we will be living our lives when all of a sudden, the time will be here.

The best thing we can do to prepare for death or the second coming, is to live each day, walking with the Lord, as Noah did. And, trust the Lord, the way Noah did. And, follow the Law of Love, that Jesus gave to us.

I agree with Shev:

I believe there is a practical reason we are not given the exact times - we should have our eyes on Christ, rather than a calendar. His coming is a spiritual mystery first of all, unfolded indeed in the realm of time and space, but originating in heavenly places. As soon as we think we have nailed down a temporal aspect of a spiritual mystery (and by definition time IS temporal) we are in danger of losing focus.


I guess I say this everytime this topic comes up........which is often.

My  :2c:

D.

Jesus said to watch.  He even warned about not watching.  He showed that those watching will come to know the day and hour.

Jesus gives a very powerful warning about not knowing the TIME of His visitation:

Luk 19:43  For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 
Luk 19:44  And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. 

Let's go through this verse:

Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 

We learn the following from that verse:
not watching results in Him coming as a Thief in an hour you will not know. 

therefore,

watching results in Him coming NOT as a Thief in an hour you WILL know.

[marie glen]

You might want to fix a couple things right off:

#1.  We can know the day and hour.  The reference in Matthew 24:36 was stated in the PERFECT Tense. 

The apostles had not yet received the Holy Spirit and would be able to know the Day and Hour until they did receive it.  See Acts 1 when they get the POWER then they can know and that comes from receipt of the Holy Spirit.  Also consider the following:

Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now we can use the inverse of that verse which would be - if you do watch, He wont come on you as a thief, because you will know the hour.

#2.  Jubilees are 50 years but they are counted in 49 year cycles.  Therefore it is 1,2,3...50/1
You see the 50th year is ALSO the first year of the new cycle.

Hope that helps.

The other possibility is more in the pattern of the cycle of sevens, or of the week, and of the shemita (however it's spelled). That it's six years of work (the land) and one year of rest. Then the cycle began all over. year-1-6,7; 1-6,7; not 1-6,7/1-6,7/1-6,7/1 -- so the same pattern of 1-49,50(Jub); 1-49,50; 1-49,50... [sun-fri,sat; sun-fri,sat - or - sun-fri,sat/sun-fri,sat/sun]

The two possibilities being:

year1-49,50/1-49,50/1

or

1-49,50; 1-49,50;

                    :Peace2:

[marie glen]

As far as the math and how to reckon it? - Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. (Daniel 12:12)

..blessed/happy the one who waits and comes to 1,335 days.. Or, blessed/happy the one who waits and comes to 1,335 years?

I think it must be good to understand bible prophecy, as it's part of the bible.. But of course! The most important thing, according to the Rev. letters, is to be a Philadelphian!

I feel like all of us have a certain amount of responsibility to be able to pass along the information in a clear, simple and down to earth manner.. well, truth, I guess as opposed to what is not as true.. Because, we all know there's lots of theories about, especially on the world wide web.. So to me the question is, how do we determine true from not true? Same as with every other biblical issue, by reading, study, prayer.. but really, the basics is, isn't it? that we don't know dates, but man's world is likely to one day implode and Jesus returns, "lest all flesh perish".. So what do we "watch".. and therefor not be caught unaware? We watch what's going on in the world. And if we know our bibles.. won't we recognize certain things should they occur?

Not that the calendar, so to speak, can't become clearer and clearer.. But as of yet, especially, it's hard to be real dogmatic about it.. as far as events, and surely as far as dates go.. My eyes glazed over when I read the OP link, the second half or so of the article which was the adding of years, and all.. so how would I know what math is correct and which isn't?But I would agree, if we divided history up into 24 hours, we are likely in the last hour.. but as far as being fully convinced of a specific year..?

And His return, is only the 'beginning'.. I think Daniel 12:11,12 is the calendar of His return, and the Spirit decodes it.. and I believe there's a huge clue in the verses which tell us if the days should be reckoned as days or years.. For that day --> one sign & count the days from.. Easy, peasey..
   :gsmile:

[trettep]

You might want to fix a couple things right off:

#1.  We can know the day and hour.  The reference in Matthew 24:36 was stated in the PERFECT Tense. 

The apostles had not yet received the Holy Spirit and would be able to know the Day and Hour until they did receive it.  See Acts 1 when they get the POWER then they can know and that comes from receipt of the Holy Spirit.  Also consider the following:

Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now we can use the inverse of that verse which would be - if you do watch, He wont come on you as a thief, because you will know the hour.

#2.  Jubilees are 50 years but they are counted in 49 year cycles.  Therefore it is 1,2,3...50/1
You see the 50th year is ALSO the first year of the new cycle.

Hope that helps.

The other possibility is more in the pattern of the cycle of sevens, or of the week, and of the shemita (however it's spelled). That it's six years of work (the land) and one year of rest. Then the cycle began all over. year-1-6,7; 1-6,7; not 1-6,7/1-6,7/1-6,7/1 -- so the same pattern of 1-49,50(Jub); 1-49,50; 1-49,50... [sun-fri,sat; sun-fri,sat - or - sun-fri,sat/sun-fri,sat/sun]

The two possibilities being:

year1-49,50/1-49,50/1

or

1-49,50; 1-49,50;

                    :Peace2:

The Bible tells you to count it by 49 years:

Lev 25:8  And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. 

That means it would proceed as follows:
49 years
49 years
49 years
49 years
.....

But to observe the 50 Jubilee results in a celebration of liberty on the 50th year.

Lev 25:9  Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. 
Lev 25:10  And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. 

Now when you realize that it is accordingly 50/1 then you will see that the year corresponding to the liberty would be the 1 year in the week of years.  That would correspond to the first day of the week - thus Sunday - the Day that Jesus was Risen on. 

It all fits so nicely. 

[cgaviria]

You might want to fix a couple things right off:

#1.  We can know the day and hour.  The reference in Matthew 24:36 was stated in the PERFECT Tense. 

The apostles had not yet received the Holy Spirit and would be able to know the Day and Hour until they did receive it.  See Acts 1 when they get the POWER then they can know and that comes from receipt of the Holy Spirit.  Also consider the following:

Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now we can use the inverse of that verse which would be - if you do watch, He wont come on you as a thief, because you will know the hour.

#2.  Jubilees are 50 years but they are counted in 49 year cycles.  Therefore it is 1,2,3...50/1
You see the 50th year is ALSO the first year of the new cycle.

Hope that helps.

The other possibility is more in the pattern of the cycle of sevens, or of the week, and of the shemita (however it's spelled). That it's six years of work (the land) and one year of rest. Then the cycle began all over. year-1-6,7; 1-6,7; not 1-6,7/1-6,7/1-6,7/1 -- so the same pattern of 1-49,50(Jub); 1-49,50; 1-49,50... [sun-fri,sat; sun-fri,sat - or - sun-fri,sat/sun-fri,sat/sun]

The two possibilities being:

year1-49,50/1-49,50/1

or

1-49,50; 1-49,50;

                    :Peace2:

The Bible tells you to count it by 49 years:

Lev 25:8  And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

That means it would proceed as follows:
49 years
49 years
49 years
49 years
.....

But to observe the 50 Jubilee results in a celebration of liberty on the 50th year.

Lev 25:9  Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
Lev 25:10  And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

Now when you realize that it is accordingly 50/1 then you will see that the year corresponding to the liberty would be the 1 year in the week of years.  That would correspond to the first day of the week - thus Sunday - the Day that Jesus was Risen on. 

It all fits so nicely.

The shabbat years are every seven years. Seven shabbat years will be 49 years. Then, on the 50th year is the jubilee year, which is every 50 years, with seven shabbat years within each 50th set. This is not difficult to understand.

[trettep]

Here is a better way for you to understand it:

It's calculate every 49 years and then after that is 50/1.  Therefore, we have the following:

first 50th year there were a total of 50 years
second 50th year there were a total of 99 years.
third 50th year there were a total of 148 years.
forth 50th year there was a total of 197 years

You notice the total years are NOT 50, 100, 150, 200.  That is because we drop a year each Jubilee (50th year) because of how the Jubilees are calculated.

[marie glen]

...that's the point.. it's debated which way to count the Jubilees.. :Peace2: :gsmile:

Also, if one sets a date for Jesus' return -- and the events previous to His return (and tell others) - if the date is actually sooner, will you/they be "caught unaware"?

If the date passes and He has not returned... will you/they be later "caught unawares" through disillusionment..?

Whereas Jesus said to always be expecting.. thus ready.. especially spiritually.. but there is also this "Isaiah 26:20,
Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut your doors behind you. Hide yourselves a little while until the indignation has passed."

(so it seems to me what would work best, isn't a "date" but a something to watch for, and then count days, Dn.12:11,12. (note: one cannot wait and come to 1,335 years).

But most importantly remain a Philadelphian (of "brotherly love" for more than just ones like ones' self! Which UR seems to bear fruit of more so than Et). Rev. 3:10 ....will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth..

[Dandelion]

Personally, I think we should live our lives the best we can and not concern ourselves with when the second coming is.

Jesus didn't know the time or date, so why should we be privey to it?

And, how is this going to change our lives, day to day?

Jesus said we will be caught off guard, and we will be living our lives when all of a sudden, the time will be here.

The best thing we can do to prepare for death or the second coming, is to live each day, walking with the Lord, as Noah did. And, trust the Lord, the way Noah did. And, follow the Law of Love, that Jesus gave to us.

I agree with Shev:

I believe there is a practical reason we are not given the exact times - we should have our eyes on Christ, rather than a calendar. His coming is a spiritual mystery first of all, unfolded indeed in the realm of time and space, but originating in heavenly places. As soon as we think we have nailed down a temporal aspect of a spiritual mystery (and by definition time IS temporal) we are in danger of losing focus.


I guess I say this everytime this topic comes up........which is often.

My  :2c:

D.

Jesus said to watch.  He even warned about not watching.  He showed that those watching will come to know the day and hour.

Jesus gives a very powerful warning about not knowing the TIME of His visitation:

Luk 19:43  For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44  And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Let's go through this verse:

Rev 3:3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

We learn the following from that verse:
not watching results in Him coming as a Thief in an hour you will not know. 

therefore,

watching results in Him coming NOT as a Thief in an hour you WILL know.

As I see it, we must always watch. Whether the end of the world, or our own lives.....we need to keep our eyes on Him.

D.

[cgaviria]

Here is a better way for you to understand it:

It's calculate every 49 years and then after that is 50/1.  Therefore, we have the following:

first 50th year there were a total of 50 years
second 50th year there were a total of 99 years.
third 50th year there were a total of 148 years.
forth 50th year there was a total of 197 years

You notice the total years are NOT 50, 100, 150, 200.  That is because we drop a year each Jubilee (50th year) because of how the Jubilees are calculated.

What you said doesn't even make any mathematical sense. If there are seven shabbat years, each at a seventh year, you will arrive at a 49th year, which is the final shabbat year, because 7 times 7 is 49. THEN, on the 50th year, THE YEAR AFTER THE SHABBAT YEAR, IS THE JUBILEE YEAR. The shabbat years and jubilee years are not the same year. Shabbat years are every 7 years within each 50th year set.

1
2
3
4
5
6
7 (Shabbat year 1)
8
9
10
11
12
13
14 (Shabbat year 2)
15
16
17
18
19
20
21  (Shabbat year 3)
22
23
24
25
26
27
28  (Shabbat year 4)
29
30
31
32
33
34
35  (Shabbat year 5)
36
37
38
39
40
41
42  (Shabbat year 6)
43
44
45
46
47
48
49  (Shabbat year 7)
50 (JUBILEE YEAR)

[trettep]

No because you are no accounting for the directive in Leviticus that between the sabbaths there would be 49 years.

Lev 25:8  And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. 

You would be creating a space of 50 years between the sabbaths.

You see the Israelite's have a New Year celebration during Yom Teruah called Rosh Hashanah.  This is at the beginning of Tishri (Seven Month).

So in year 49 of the sabbath weeks in the 7th month is when that Jubilee gets announce, but the year gets changed to a new year thus the 50th year.  So in the 49 year it will start the 50th year (year of Jubilee in the 7th month).

So when the actual next cycle comes it is the 1 year starting over again of the sabbath weeks but it is  still the 50th year of the Jubilee that started in the previous year on the 7th month.

Now look at the following:

Lev 25:20  And if ye shall say, What shall we eat the seventh year? behold, we shall not sow, nor gather in our increase: 
Lev 25:21  Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year, and it shall bring forth fruit for three years. 
Lev 25:22  And ye shall sow the eighth year, and eat yet of old fruit until the ninth year; until her fruits come in ye shall eat of the old store. 

Now if the Jubilee was AFTER the 49th year was completed then why are we concerned about what we will eat in the 7th year?  You see the Harvest would come AFTER the Jubilee started so we can't harvest in the 7th year nor sow in the fall since again the Jubilee started (50th year in the fall of the 49th or last 7th year of the 7x7 years).
Now if the 50th year came after the 49th then it would mean you were sowing in vain in the 7th year.

Since in the 8th year in fall the Jubilee ends this means we can still sow in the 8th year but our harvest wont be available until the fall of the 9th year.

You see this proves that the Jubilee begins in the 7th month of the 49th year of the cycle and that from counting at the beginning of they years you would have to count 50/1 as the same year.

[cgaviria]

No because you are no accounting for the directive in Leviticus that between the sabbaths there would be 49 years.

Lev 25:8  And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

You would be creating a space of 50 years between the sabbaths.

You see the Israelite's have a New Year celebration during Yom Teruah called Rosh Hashanah.  This is at the beginning of Tishri (Seven Month).

So in year 49 of the sabbath weeks in the 7th month is when that Jubilee gets announce, but the year gets changed to a new year thus the 50th year.  So in the 49 year it will start the 50th year (year of Jubilee in the 7th month).

So when the actual next cycle comes it is the 1 year starting over again of the sabbath weeks but it is  still the 50th year of the Jubilee that started in the previous year on the 7th month.

Now look at the following:

Lev 25:20  And if ye shall say, What shall we eat the seventh year? behold, we shall not sow, nor gather in our increase:
Lev 25:21  Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year, and it shall bring forth fruit for three years.
Lev 25:22  And ye shall sow the eighth year, and eat yet of old fruit until the ninth year; until her fruits come in ye shall eat of the old store.

Now if the Jubilee was AFTER the 49th year was completed then why are we concerned about what we will eat in the 7th year?  You see the Harvest would come AFTER the Jubilee started so we can't harvest in the 7th year nor sow in the fall since again the Jubilee started (50th year in the fall of the 49th or last 7th year of the 7x7 years).
Now if the 50th year came after the 49th then it would mean you were sowing in vain in the 7th year.

Since in the 8th year in fall the Jubilee ends this means we can still sow in the 8th year but our harvest wont be available until the fall of the 9th year.

You see this proves that the Jubilee begins in the 7th month of the 49th year of the cycle and that from counting at the beginning of they years you would have to count 50/1 as the same year.

Do you even understand what you're saying? The reason the Jubilee begins after the shabbat year is because the seventh shabbat year ends in new moon seven day 10 and the jubilee year then begins on that same day, meaning the end of the 49th year is then the beginning of the 50th year. Why is this so difficult to understand? It boggles my mind how people just refuse to understand such simple things, in favor of their own confused logic that doesnt even make sense. Jubilees are not shabbat years, there are seven shabbat years, each at a seventh year, culminating to a 49th year, then on the 50th year is the jubilee year, AFTER the seventh shabbat year ends. This is obvious.