“When And How the Jewish People Was Invented”

[noname]

"When And How the Jewish People Was Invented" is a very serious study written by Professor Shlomo Sand, an Israeli historian. It is the most serious study of Jewish nationalism and by far, the most courageous elaboration on the Jewish historical narrative.

In his book, Sand manages to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the Jewish people never existed as a 'nation-race', they never shared a common origin. Instead they are a colourful mix of groups that at various stages in history adopted the Jewish religion.

In case you follow Sand's line of thinking and happen to ask yourself, "when was the Jewish People invented?" Sand's answer is rather simple. "At a certain stage in the 19th century, intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people 'retrospectively,' out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people." [2]
Accordingly, the 'Jewish people' is a 'made up' notion consisting of a fictional and imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually. Furthermore, Sand - who elaborated on early sources of antiquity - comes to the conclusion that Jewish exile is also a myth, and that the present-day Palestinians are far more likely to be the descendants of the ancient Semitic people in Judea/Canaan than the current predominantly Khazarian-origin Ashkenazi crowd to which he himself admittedly belongs.

full article here http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20675.htm

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Apparently, God, who wrote the Book, has other ideas........the word Jew is used 76 times in the Book. It means........

Original Word   Word Origin
ydwhy   patronymically from (03063)
Transliterated Word   TDNT Entry
Y@huwdiy   TWOT - 850a
Phonetic Spelling   Parts of Speech
yeh-hoo-dee'       Noun Masculine
Definition

   1. Jew


King James Word Usage - Total: 76
Jew 74, Jew + (0376) 1, Judah 1

Which comes from.....

Original Word   Word Origin
hdwhy   from (03034)
Transliterated Word   TDNT Entry
Y@huwdah   TWOT - 850c
Phonetic Spelling   Parts of Speech
yeh-hoo-daw'       Proper Name Masculine
Definition
Judah = "praised"

   1. the son of Jacob by Leah
   2. the TRIBE descended from Judah the son of Jacob
   3. the territory occupied by the tribe of Judah
   4. the KINGDOM comprised of the TRIBES of Judah and Benjamin which occupied the southern part of Canaan after the nation split upon the death of Solomon
   5. a Levite in Ezra's time
   6. an overseer of Jerusalem in the time of Nehemiah
   7. a Levite musician in the time of Nehemiah
   8. a priest in the time of Nehemiah


King James Word Usage - Total: 818

Which comes from.......

Original Word   Word Origin
hdy   a primitive root; used only as denominative from (03027)
Transliterated Word   TDNT Entry
Yadah   TWOT - 847
Phonetic Spelling   Parts of Speech
yaw-daw'       Verb
Definition

   1. to throw, shoot, cast
         1. (Qal) to shoot (arrows)
         2. (Piel) to cast, cast down, throw down
         3. (Hiphil)
               1. to give thanks,, laud, praise
               2. to confess, confess (the name of God)
         4. (Hithpael)
               1. to confess (sin)
               2. to give thanks


King James Word Usage - Total: 114

Which comes from......

Original Word   Word Origin
dy   a primitive word
Transliterated Word   TDNT Entry
Yad   TWOT - 844
Phonetic Spelling   Parts of Speech
yawd       Noun Feminine
Definition

   1. hand
         1. hand (of man)
         2. strength, power (fig.)
         3. side (of land), part, portion (metaph.) (fig.)
         4. (various special, technical senses)
               1. sign, monument
               2. part, fractional part, share
               3. time, repetition
               4. axle-trees, axle
               5. stays, support (for laver)
               6. tenons (in tabernacle)
               7. a phallus, a hand (meaning unsure)
               8. wrists


King James Word Usage - Total: 1615

:cloud9: Additionally, Paul who is thought to have written a large part of the NT scriptures, apparently was "confused" about his "erroneous identity" as well, as he stated here;

Ac 22:3 - I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

[Molly]

If I say I am an American, it tells you nothing of my ethnic background.  It just identifies the country where I was born and grew up.

Likewise when Paul says he is a Yehudite, he is telling us he lived in Judah.

"Jew"

G2453
Ἰουδαῖος
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.


Later, he gives us his ethnic background--

Romans 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.



He is a Hebrew of the tribe of Benjamin, tracing his lineage all the way back to Abraham.

Let's look at the word Jew a little more closely, then--

Main Entry: Jew
Pronunciation: \ˈjü\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French ju, jeu, from Latin Judaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Hebrew Yĕhūdhī, from Yĕhūdhāh Judah, Jewish kingdom
Date: 13th century
1 a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : israelite
2 : a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the sixth century b.c. to the first century a.d.
3 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4 : one whose religion is Judaism


This definition dates the term to the 13th century, and no where is it used to apply to the 12 Hebrew tribes.

It was, in fact, used by the translators of the King James Bible in a vernacular meaning.

But, what is the true meaning of this slang word?  Either one who is of the tribe of Judah or one who is from the country of Judah.  The usage as it is used today belies the question ---what happened to the other 11 tribes?


Main Entry: Ju·da·ism   
Pronunciation: \ˈjü-dē-ˌi-zəm, ˈjü-də-, ˈjü-(ˌ)dā-, British also ˈjü-ˌdi-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century

[martincisneros]

To reject the antiquity of the Jewish people is to reject the Bible, sorry, but can't jump on that KKK boat with you.  That kind of revisionism has been being spouted only since after Israel retook Jerusalem and Islamic scholars felt the need to justify their racial hatred and say that they were never a race to start with.  You will find absolutely no one but the KKK saying that prior to that 'cept for maybe the Nazis, and even then it wasn't so much that as a revision of Darwinism that instead of the African being the missing link between whatever and the white man, instead it was the Jew they were considering monkey man because of their superior race issue that they had.

[Paul Hazelwood]

"When And How the Jewish People Was Invented" is a very serious study written by Professor Shlomo Sand, an Israeli historian. It is the most serious study of Jewish nationalism and by far, the most courageous elaboration on the Jewish historical narrative.

In his book, Sand manages to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the Jewish people never existed as a 'nation-race', they never shared a common origin. Instead they are a colourful mix of groups that at various stages in history adopted the Jewish religion.

In case you follow Sand's line of thinking and happen to ask yourself, "when was the Jewish People invented?" Sand's answer is rather simple. "At a certain stage in the 19th century, intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people 'retrospectively,' out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people." [2]
Accordingly, the 'Jewish people' is a 'made up' notion consisting of a fictional and imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually. Furthermore, Sand - who elaborated on early sources of antiquity - comes to the conclusion that Jewish exile is also a myth, and that the present-day Palestinians are far more likely to be the descendants of the ancient Semitic people in Judea/Canaan than the current predominantly Khazarian-origin Ashkenazi crowd to which he himself admittedly belongs.

full article here http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20675.htm

Well Gee that settles it, throw out the bible since it lies when it says Jesus was King of the Jews.

Idiot.

[Molly]

Well Gee that settles it, throw out the bible since it lies when it says Jesus was King of the Jews.

Idiot.

Again there is that same word Ioudaios, or Yehudite, that is, one who lives in the country of Iouda or Judah.  It is referring to a country--Judah--, and the people who live there.



[KING OF THE] "JEWS"

G2453
Ἰουδαῖος
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.



G2448
Ἰουδά
Iouda
ee-oo-dah'
Of Hebrew origin [H3063] or perhaps [H3194]; Judah (that is, Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine: - Judah.

[Beloved Servant]

It seems as though they came together as a nation while in captivity in Egypt.

[Molly]

It seems as though they came together as a nation while in captivity in Egypt.

No--the history--off the top of my head--

The Israelites were made up of twelve tribes.  The twelve tribes were united under King Saul, King David, King Solomon--but after Solomon died, the tribes split up into the northern kingdom [Israel] and the southern kingdom [Judah].   The northern kingdom of Israel contained ten tribes plus the Levite priests.  The southern kingdom Judah contained two tribes--Judah and Benjamin--plus the Levite priests.

The northern kingdom--Israel--was taken into captivity by the assyrians--and those ten tribes pretty much disappeared to history.  The southern kingdom--Judah--was taken into captivity later by the Babylonians [the book of Daniel], but they were later allowed to return to rebuild the temple [book of Ezra].    So at the time of Jesus, only the southern kingdom was present [Judah, Benjamin, some Levites, converts, people that moved in when the Yehudites were taken into captivity, etc], but the northern ten tribes were still mostly missing.

[Beloved Servant]

Jewish Diaspora (so called)

Deuteronomy 28:64 (Amplified Bible)

64 And the Lord shall scatter you among all peoples from one end of the earth to the other; and there you shall [be forced to] serve other gods, of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.


Ezekiel 22:15:  And I will scatter you among the nations and disperse you through the countries, and I will consume your filthiness out of you.

Interestingly, some researchers now think the ancient Greek city of Mycenae belonged to the tribe of Dan.

[Molly]

Yes, the northern ten tribes were scattered throughout the world.

My pet theory is that they are the Christians.  But, who knows?  Only God, and he said every country in the world would be blessed by them.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Well Gee that settles it, throw out the bible since it lies when it says Jesus was King of the Jews.

Idiot.

Again there is that same word Ioudaios, or Yehudite, that is, one who lives in the country of Iouda or Judah.  It is referring to a country--Judah--, and the people who live there.



[KING OF THE] "JEWS"

G2453
Ἰουδαῖος
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.



G2448
Ἰουδά
Iouda
ee-oo-dah'
Of Hebrew origin [H3063] or perhaps [H3194]; Judah (that is, Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine: - Judah.

Sigh.....

H3063  Yhuwdah  yeh-hoo-daw'

from H3034;

celebrated; Jehudah (or Judah), the name of five Israelites; also of the tribe
descended from the first, and of its territory:--Judah.

[Molly]

also of the tribe
descended from the first, and of its territory:--Judah.

Yes, you can be a Yehudite and actually descended from the tribe of Judah, as were many Yehudites, but not Paul.  Judah is only one of 12 tribes of Israel.

Paul was a Yehudite because he lived in Judah,  but he descended from the tribe of Benjamin.

If you are not born in Judah and not a descendent of the tribe of Judah, what are you?

Most likely lost.  Or, identified by your tribe, or by the general name of Israelite [OT] or Hebrew.

Judah is both a country and one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

But, it's really non biblical to apply the slang word Jew to someone who today is not descended from the tribe of Judah [since the country of Judah no longer exists].  I can appreciate the way the word is used today, but I cannot see how it has anything to do with our Bible.

Unless I'm missing something...

[reFORMer]

The wild branches that were grafted into the olive are the nations who came to faith in Jesus.  Those of what was Israel and Judea were broken off, though they could be grafted in again if they remained not in unbelief.  The peoples of the temple in Jerusalem and the Priesthood of Aaron were all dispersed into the rest of the world.  So the tree we were grafted into is only one tree.  The root was ancient Israel and Judah.  The branches were those of God's ancient people and the nations that believed in Jesus.  "He made of the twain one new man."  There is no "natural Israel descended from Abraham after the flesh Tree to inherit an earthly reward" on one hand and "spiritual gentiles born of God Tree to an inheritance in the heavenlies."  There is only one tree that has both natural and wild branches.

What Jesus said about the racial descendants of Abraham in John 6 clearly reveals many of them to be children of the devil.  There is no covenant to a race of people according to the flesh.  The flesh profits nothing.  Jesus says, "Behold, I make all things new."

Romans 2:28-29 (Authorized Version)...
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


John 8:31-59 (Concordant Literal Translation)...
31 Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,
32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."
33 They answered Him, "The seed of Abraham are we, and we have never been slaves of anyone. How are you saying that 'You shall be becoming free'?"
34 Jesus answered them, "Verily, verily, I am saying to you that everyone who is doing sin, is a slave of sin.
35 Now the slave is not remaining in the house for the eon. The son is remaining for the eon.
36 If ever, then, the Son should be making you free, you will be really free.
37 I am aware that you are Abraham's seed. But you are seeking to kill Me, for My word has no room in you.
38 What I have seen with My Father am I speaking. You also, then, what you hear from your father are doing."
39 They answered and say to Him, "Our father is Abraham." Jesus answered them, "If you are children of Abraham, did you ever do the works of Abraham?
40 Yet now you are seeking to kill Me, a Man Who has spoken to you the truth which I hear from God. This Abraham does not do.
41 Yet you are doing the works of your father." They say to Him, "We were not born of prostitution! One Father have we, God!"
42 Jesus, then, said to them, "If God were your Father, you would have loved Me. For out of God I came forth and am arriving. For neither have I come of Myself, but He commissions Me.
43 Wherefore do you not know My speech? Seeing that you can not hear My word.
44 You are of your father, the Adversary, and the desires of your father you are wanting to do. He was a man-killer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, for truth is not in him. Whenever he may be speaking a lie, he is speaking of his own, for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 Yet I -- seeing that I am speaking the truth, you are not believing Me.
46 Who of you is exposing Me concerning sin? If I am telling the truth, wherefore are you not believing Me?
47 He who is of God is hearing God's declarations. Therefore you are not hearing, seeing that you are not of God."
48 The Jews answered and say to Him, "Are we not saying ideally that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?"
49 Jesus answered and said, "I have no demon, but I am honoring My Father, and you are dishonoring Me.
50 Now I am not seeking My glory. He is the One Who is seeking it and judging.
51 Verily, Verily, I am saying to you, If ever anyone should be keeping My word, he should under no circumstances be beholding death for the eon."
52 The Jews said to Him, "Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets, and you are saying, 'If ever anyone should be keeping my word, he should under no circumstances be tasting death for the eon.'
53 Not you are greater than our father Abraham who died! And the prophets died. Whom are you making yourself to be?"
54 Jesus answered, "If I should ever be glorifying Myself, My glory is nothing. It is My Father Who is glorifying Me, of Whom you are saying that He is your God.
55 And you know Him not, yet I am acquainted with Him, and if I should be saying that I am not acquainted with Him, I shall be like you, a liar. But I am acquainted with Him and I am keeping His word.
56 Abraham, your father, exults that he may become acquainted with My day, and he was acquainted with it and rejoiced."
57 The Jews, then, said to Him, "You have not as yet lived fifty years, and you have seen Abraham!"
58 Jesus said to them, "Verily, verily, I am saying to you, Ere Abraham came into being, I am."
59 They pick up stones, then, that they should be casting them at Him. Yet Jesus was hid and came out of the sanctuary. And passing through the midst of them, He went and thus passed by.

The nation of Kenazia was written of in the Encyclopedia Brittanica (1978) under an article titled:  "Judaism."  They were a country where Germany is now.  They took up Judaism as a national religion in th 8th Century AD.  Ashkenazy Jews are Turks and Huns and Syrians, etc., descended racially from Jephath, not Shem; so, they are not racially "Semites."  The contemporary definition of "Shemites" is linguistic, "those who speak Semitic languages."  The top 5 English language Encyclopedias, as well as Encyclopedia Judaical concur:  there is no such thing as a "Jewish" race.  Judaism has always been a religion.  Its adherents from earliest times, as recorded in the Books of the Kings in the Bible, intermarried with the nations around them.

The Ashkenazim are the Zionist Jews of today that dwell in modern Israel.  They are Israelis and not Israelites.  The Encyclopedias are contrary to Lindsey, Van Impe, Perry Stone, and ilk.  The most extensive research on this Ashkenazim thing I know of was written by a Jew by the name of Arthur Koestler in his book The Thirteenth Tribe.  I can't vouch for a reputed version I found online which was too short and lacking things I've heard read from the original.  Only about 5% of the world's Jews have proof of being racially related to Abraham.  They are "Shephardic," meaning, "from Spain."  They do NOT accept the present day nation in the Sinai Peninsula as being the real "Israel."  They await the coming Messiah to set it up.

[reFORMer]

The popular professional preachers say that the Bible says, "Whoever blesses the Jew, God will bless; and, whoever curses the Jew, God will curse."  That is a non-existent verse.  It is hearsay derived from, "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee..." (Gn 12:3, AV) that God spoke to the person of Abraham.  Some people hearing me point out these things say I'm anti-Semitic, or, that I'm cursing the Jew.  That is not at all what I've said.  We are told to, "Bless and curse not."  That is what I seek to do, "Overcome evil with good."

Contemporary Bible translations have added to the confusion.  Among other things, God says, "And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." (Gn 17:8, AV)  The New American Standard Bible, for instance, has deviated from the original underlying Hebrew in many places. As one important example, "And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." (Gn 17:8, NASB)  Notice any change?

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." Ga 3:16

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Ga 3:29, AV)

Romans 4:13-14, (AV)...
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect...

[Paul Hazelwood]

Unless I'm missing something...

big time.

[noname]

Well Gee that settles it, throw out the bible since it lies when it says Jesus was King of the Jews.

Idiot.

here's another clincher...Judaism's "holy book" is the Talmud, not the Bible...mmm?

who's the idiot you referring to, the writer of the article or me?

[Cardinal]

The Ashkenazim are the Zionist Jews of today that dwell in modern Israel.  They are Israelis and not Israelites.  The Encyclopedias are contrary to Lindsey, Van Impe, Perry Stone, and ilk.  The most extensive research on this Ashkenazim thing I know of was written by a Jew by the name of Arthur Koestler in his book The Thirteenth Tribe.  I can't vouch for a reputed version I found online which was too short and lacking things I've heard read from the original.  Only about 5% of the world's Jews have proof of being racially related to Abraham.  They are "Shephardic," meaning, "from Spain."  They do NOT accept the present day nation in the Sinai Peninsula as being the real "Israel."  They await the coming Messiah to set it up.

:cloud9: Just a note here.........Think there's a much higher number reFORMer; this is from a medical site that is studying haplo-types. And I'm descended from Sephardic Jews myself, and have email contact with over 2600 of them, who do believe Israel is Israel. Just like the Christians, the two groups have their own little rivalry going over who is what, and who is not.

"The trouble is that Ashkenazic Jews, who make up 80 percent of the world's Jewish population despite being almost halved between 1939-45, do not look like they are simply "out of Jerusalem." In fact, by all modern criteria, they are, like almost all Jews in the world, a mixture of Levantine genes with the genes of whatever local population they lived among." by Mervin Konner, author of "Unsettled: An anthropology of the Jews"

This is sort of a refreshing change of pace for me though, as I usually get accused of being "too spiritual". Nevertheless, to add to this and get back in my "properly labeled box", let me say that I'm aware that there is a spiritual component to this, and that Israel of the natural variety is simply a witness to what is going on in the Spirit. I think most of us would agree with that.

So my question is this; if the body (natural) is doing what it sees it's Head (Spirit) do, why would we want to "cut the Head off the body?" Isn't that what the "Herod's" of this world seek to do, to any that follow Him?

And some Christians might say: "but WE'RE His body", and that is also true; but the sons of God are pressing in to become one with the HEAD, IF so be it, they are pressing into that which is BEYOND THE VEIL.

And those that are not, like the Jews? Well, they're the "feet" part of His body. The scripture, "Blessed are the FEET of those that stand upon Mt. Zion?

The feet are blessed, BECAUSE we are going to stand upon Mt. Zion as deliverers of the rest of the body, INCLUDING the "feet". Selah. Blessings....

[Paul Hazelwood]

Well Gee that settles it, throw out the bible since it lies when it says Jesus was King of the Jews.

Idiot.

here's another clincher...Judaism's "holy book" is the Talmud, not the Bible...mmm?

who's the idiot you referring to, the writer of the article or me?

It doesn't clinch what you think.   The progression of the word meanings from the bible is counter evidence since it talks about descendants which does not mean someone who just lives in the region, but blood lines which indicates race. 

Since the bible is not the holy book then it is not tainted with bias along those lines.

People seem happy in jumping on the anti jewish band wagon while believing the end times nonsense and  thinking the great fall of america is coming and I can't help but think
that secretly these people, and if it includes you so be it, wish Hitler would of succeeded. In reality they are nothing but stone cold cowards.

And yes I will call them idiots, so if the shoe fits, wear it.

[martincisneros]

It doesn't clinch what you think.   The progression of the word meanings from the bible is counter evidence since it talks about descendants which does not mean someone who just lives in the region, but blood lines which indicates race. 

Since the bible is not the holy book then it is not tainted with bias along those lines.

People seem happy in jumping on the anti jewish band wagon while believing the end times nonsense and  thinking the great fall of america is coming and I can't help but think
that secretly these people, and if it includes you so be it, wish Hitler would of succeeded. In reality they are nothing but stone cold cowards.

And yes I will call them idiots, so if the shoe fits, wear it.

All of us could use a refresher course in tact/diplomacy on a wide variety of matters & I've kept my comments minimal 'cause anyone that's actually read the Bible knows that the Bible itself is using the word "Jew" with regards to descendants of Abraham & not a geographic whatever of ancient Judea. Comes up in Esther that these were "Jews" and Iran's definitely not "Judea" though Haman would have loved these "judean" arguments had he entered into the sociological and theological AntiSemitism arguments of the last 3 to 6 decades.

[WhiteWings]

People seem happy in jumping on the anti jewish band wagon

Things have changed fast here the last 10-15 years.
Extreme right was always anti-Jewish. No big revelation I think.
Center right-wing and a smaller fraction of center left-wing said negative things about the Jews/Israel if the deserved it.
But if one even thought about something slightly anti-Jewish the left-wing instantly pulled the Hitler card.
But Israel is totally out of grace now, including the USA, everything Israel (and the USA) do is slandered by the left-wingers. Now there are more right winger pro Israel than left wingers.
Most people just follow the flow. Beware of propaganda!

[WhiteWings]

Martin

Most people just follow the flow. Beware of propaganda!
Wars, economic down turns, famines, et. al. [these days] aren't started over religion and any of ten dozen things that many people including able philosophers and authors have thought they were started over.  It's all about the propaganda.  Greed is just another kind of lust, or desire gone to the darkside with fear and pain having been cultivated in one's heart by nursing and rehearsing it until it's conceived a genetically modified organism.  Greed doesn't even do it BY ITSELF.  It's about the propaganda.  Propaganda is what people follow, not religion, politics, or even really sports and sex.  It's all about the propaganda! Propaganda is what makes the world go 'round.  It gets the money that makes the rules.

Does that mean we agree Martin?  :dontknow:  :happy3:
Religion is quite often used as a coverup.

[martincisneros]

Does that mean we agree Martin?  :dontknow:  :happy3:
Religion is quite often used as a coverup.

I hit the edit button to add to my post and then I stepped away to get something to drink after adding something to my previous post and when I got back, I had this message waiting for me in red print:

Your session timed out while posting. Please try to re-submit your message.
No subject was filled in.
The message body was left empty.

And when I looked for whether or not my second edition of that post had gone thru, it vanished completely.  So, I've got to repost it here, I guess:

Most people just follow the flow. Beware of propaganda!

Wars, economic down turns, famines, et. al. [these days] aren't started over religion and any of ten dozen things that many people including able philosophers and authors have thought they were started over.  It's all about the propaganda.  Greed is just another kind of lust, or desire gone to the darkside with fear and pain having been cultivated in one's heart by nursing and rehearsing it until it's conceived a genetically modified organism.  Greed doesn't even do it BY ITSELF.  It's about the propaganda.  Propaganda is what people follow, not religion, politics, or even really sports and sex.  It's all about the propaganda! Propaganda is what makes the world go 'round.  It gets the money that makes the rules. So God meets it on it's own level and saves the world thru the foolishness of preaching, which makes it a universal rule that the best propagandist wins the prize of whatever sort it may be, viz., the money, the girl, the heart of the nation, leadership of the world, et. al.


And yes, there's no question that religion, race, and other things are used as cover ups and justification, the oppressed being spin doctored into the oppressors, et. al., [sorta like the ir-rationale applied to speciesism that if we didn't kill so many animals, they'd overpopulate the planet, which isn't even worthy of being responded to by anyone with any sense that can see thru factory farming and other issues] but the bottomline [IN EVERYTHING] is propaganda.

Even when the causes are good, worthy, noble, etc., propaganda is 98% of the spiritual warfare to get it out there.

[WhiteWings]

but the bottomline [IN EVERYTHING] is propaganda.

Martin, I sense some, ermmmm, propaganda for the Son's return... :winkgrin: .

I hit the edit button to add to my post and then I stepped away to get something to drink after adding something to my previous post and when I got back, I had this message waiting for me in red print:

Your new topic vanished too... 

[Molly]

..anyone that's actually read the Bible knows that the Bible itself is using the word "Jew" with regards to descendants of Abraham & not a geographic whatever of ancient Judea.

If you could show me where the word is used, where it does not refer to either the tribe of Judah or the kingdom of Judah, that would be helpful. 

I don't see it being applied to the Hebrews or the Israelites as a whole.  But, maybe I'm wrong.

The tribe of Judah are descendants of Abraham, as are the original residents of the country of Judah.

[Molly]

Esther was a descendant of the group from the country of Judah [tribes of Judah, Benjamin, plus some Levite priests] who were taken into captivity by the Babylonians.
--Me





Thus the history of the descendants of the kingdom of Judah, the Jews, continued to be recorded in what would become the Bible. However, their brethren of the other Israelitish tribes, taken into captivity earlier by the Assyrians, had by now largely lost their identity in the former Assyrian Empire, just as foretold in prophecy (2 Kings 17).

Persian Period: Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther
The Old Testament period ends during the era of Persian rule. Several Bible books accurately describe the Persian customs of the time. While the books of Ezra and Nehemiah relate the return of the Jews to the land of Judah, the book of Esther recounts the story of a young Jewish girl named Esther who became the queen of King Xerxes I.

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Queen Esther Saves the Jews
Even though thousands of Jews successfully resettled the territory of the former kingdom of Judah, many remained dispersed throughout the chief cities of the Persian Empire. The book of Esther gives us a glimpse of the influence the Jewish community had in the empire between 500 and 450 B.C., as well as the problems that influence sometimes engendered.

--The Kingdom of Judah: Exile and Restoration


http://www.ucg.ca/booklets/BA2/exilerestoration.asp



Esther 3:6
And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.



"Jews"

H3064
יהוּדי
y'hûdîy
yeh-hoo-dee'
Patronymic from H3063; a Jehudite (that is, Judaite or Jew), or descendant of Jehudah (that is, Judah): - Jew.