TWO Lakes of Fire?

[GodIsLove]

Not something. You struck the very core meaning of the symbology.
Or perhaps a better expression you struck gold :banana:


Part of the gold refining process is adding sulfur to the molten gold to purge it of impurities. Click

When  sulfur is added it binds itself to impurities, forms sulphides that float to the surface where it can be easily removed.

The process cause smoke.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

As we shall see in section C1 torment is actually a word meaning testing.

So it's the smoke of refining gold. Yet another reference to purification (of gold)

Brimstone is another reference to purification.

Great! Thanks! It's all coming together! It's one thing to think the fire is for purification but it's another to really truly see it as truth and how it all relates to the actual words of the Bible.

Is the "no rest" during the process of testing/purifying a reference to them not yet being in Christ?

He said, "My presence shall go with you, and I will give you rest.
~Exodus 33:14

My soul finds rest in God alone; my salvation comes from him. He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.
~Psalm 62:1-2

My soul finds rest in God alone; my salvation comes from him. He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.
~Psalm 62:1-2

So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God's rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest.
~Hebrews 4:9-11

Blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, they are blessed indeed, for they will rest from their hard work; for their good deeds will follow them.
~Revelation 14:13

[WhiteWings]

There is always more drifting around in my mind; but most I know about this topic can be found here click

Aditionally you may like:
http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=3_-_the_lake_of_fire.htm
http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=lake_of_divone_purification.htm

About "no rest" it may have  a deep meaning. If it has, I have no idea what it is.
For me it means God no longer patiently waits for repentance. He's getting down to business without delay.
Plus a refiner heats up a crubicle and keeps going until done (no rest)
It's not like a refiners starts the process then goes home for the weekend and on monday morning he melts the gold again and continues were he left of last friday.

[darryl]

There is always more drifting around in my mind; but most I know about this topic can be found here click

Aditionally you may like:
http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=3_-_the_lake_of_fire.htm
http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=lake_of_divone_purification.htm

About "no rest" it may have  a deep meaning. If it has, I have no idea what it is.
For me it means God no longer patiently waits for repentance. He's getting down to business without delay.
Plus a refiner heats up a crubicle and keeps going until done (no rest)
It's not like a refiners starts the process then goes home for the weekend and on monday morning he melts the gold again and continues were he left of last friday.

yes !...I like it. Also like how the potter, after he 'destroys' a 'ruined' or unacceptable piece of pottery, 'gets down to business' straightaway and remakes the pottery using the same clay of the ruined pottery, into something acceptable.

[rosered]

There is always more drifting around in my mind; but most I know about this topic can be found here click

Aditionally you may like:
http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=3_-_the_lake_of_fire.htm
http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=lake_of_divone_purification.htm

About "no rest" it may have  a deep meaning. If it has, I have no idea what it is.
For me it means God no longer patiently waits for repentance. He's getting down to business without delay.
Plus a refiner heats up a crubicle and keeps going until done (no rest)
It's not like a refiners starts the process then goes home for the weekend and on monday morning he melts the gold again and continues were he left of last friday.

yes !...I like it. Also like how the potter, after he 'destroys' a 'ruined' or unacceptable piece of pottery, 'gets down to business' straightaway and remakes the pottery using the same clay of the ruined pottery, into something acceptable.

Love this brother T !!
  For sure it is all about    JESUS  being a businessman  , all about HIS  FATHERS BUSINESS  !!

  what is my  Fathers is mine     

John 16 The Promise of the Holy Spirit
...14He will glorify Me by taking from what is Mine and disclosing it to you.

15Everything that belongs to the Father is Mine.

That is why I said that the Spirit will take from what is Mine and disclose it to you.

16In a little while you will see Me no more, and then after a little while you will see Me."...

This riddle   ,   What was given , at first was 12  , that made more with interest    to the sum of all   to the full

the true treasures in earthen  vessels     :dsunny: :HeartThrob:
Strong's G2774 - kephalaion
κεφάλαιον
Transliteration

kephalaion

Pronunciation

ke-fä'-lī-on (Key)


Part of Speech

neuter noun
Root Word (Etymology)

From a derivative of κεφαλή (G2776)

TDNT Reference

n/a

Vines

View Entry

Outline of Biblical Usage
the chief or main point, the principal thing

the pecuniary sum total of a reckoning, amount

the principal, capital, as distinguished from the interest

a sum of money, sum   :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

there is averygood article named'the mystical sea of bronze"along with Psalms ch 1.water and fire..first and secounddeath...relating

the bronze sea..with the exodus through the red sea..to the Promised land[heavenly promisedland.

  the lavers....are female ministering angels..that wash the saints feet/hands...as resovoiurs of the word..women's mirrors shows

they function as Jesuswave-breastportion. though you pass through the water and fire..[flood of Noah's day/world stored up forfire]

you willnotbe harmed.[the CHRI[y]STAL[L} SEA..nolonger looking darkly..fortheflesh veil/shroud removed.


  the LOF IS....the secound death.if the same spirit of Christ be in you...the first resurrection is yours..and God pours

out His spirit on all flesh....

hands and feet[wicked works of the devil put to death] walk fully in the spirit at all times..and perfectly do His will...nocause for

stumbling or a serpent in our hand.

  Come! Ye who are Blessed!


     Psalms ch 1....Blessed is the man who does not walk inthe counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners[bow andconfess]

or sit in the seat of mockers[he sits in the temple andshows himself he isgod] Buthis delightis in the law ofthe Lord[love]

and onHis law[love] he meditates day and night.Heislike a tree planted by streams of water,which yields its fruit in season[Rev22;2]

  and whoseleaf does not wither[heals the nations] whatever he does prospers[the work oftheir handsmy chosen ones will use tothe

full] Notsothe wicked! they are likechaff the wind blows away[perish inthe red sea/princeofthis world/2nd death LOF]

  Therefore the wicked will notstandin the judgement,norsinners inthe assemblyof the righteous[man with free gift ofrighteousness/

eternal life]  Forthe LORD WATCHES OVER THE WAY OF THE RIGHTEOUS..But the way of the wicked willperish. :2c:

[WhiteWings]

I wonder if "Second death" should be read in conjunction with "Born Twice, Die Once".
Granted the second part doesn't come straight from the Bible. It can of course be argued it's in any shape or form in the Bible.

First of all we shouldn't view it to literal. Many very good Christians died. Literally.
Actually it's a fact they died twice.
They died the literal death. And before that they died what many Christians call "died to self", the final step before being reborn in Christ/as a Christian.

The unbeliever dies a second death in the Lake.

So could it be that both believer and unbeliever die twice and are reborn twice?
Only the order is changed.

Believer: Born -> Finds Jesus -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Literal death -> Heaven
Unbeliever: Born -> Literal death -> Find Jesus in the Lake -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Heaven

:dsunny:

[sheila]

well..what's born of the spirit is spirit[as God's wheat[spirit seed]sown inthe earth[falltothe earth anddie] wemust be born againfrom above

or[gathered in the barn/storehouse ofheaven]orborn again of avirgin[144,00o] breasts ofheaven[wavebreast]born/die/born.

nowthe tare seedisbut the corruptseed..andhasnolife init[theangelsasked..from whence comethetares/death/cloudswithout water[nolife]

twice dead...like Reuben thatdefiled his Father's bed..is satan..defiling what is Holy unto theLord.bed/rest.

tare seed is death...sin seed kills..and this seed in flesh is condemned/judged once/condemned whencast out fromheaven..awaiting

it'ssecound death by fire[consuming]

Michael[who is like God?]warredwith these tares[satanandhis angels]andthrewthem out..because they are not like GOD

and God will not give Hisglory unto another. they sowed theirownseed after theirkind inthe earth. GodisLIFE LOVE  TRUTH

these other are death.liar and hatred[enmity]  twice dead/judged/condemned[water/floodof Noah/fire coming]

Basically,sin is not re-membered in the body of God or Jesus. He hasno place inHeaven..andsoon no place inthe earth..itiscut offas a

body member.  theHigh Priest prophesied that it is better for one to die..lest the whole nation perish...Jesus took onthe

appearance  of  sin/flesh as the High Priest Lord'sgoat..but as thefinalactof atonement Hewillconfess allthe sin He bore on the cross

onto the scapegoats/Azazels lot...and remove it to an uninhabited/desolate/cutoff/ land.Never to enter into God'spresence again.

sin/satan as a cause of offense to God's Holiness...thusitisbetter that sin..as abody member die..that the nation live.

Jesus really does take all the sin of the world away. it would have been better if he/sin never come into our being or beenborn inour flesh

.The Prince of this world has nothing in me.not a member of His body.   He routinely cast them out while here in the flesh...

   the secound resurrection..ofthe dead..is when they come tothe earth and entered man's weak flesh...tocorrupt/kill/hate/lie.....

andjust like weed seeds are burned..so shal lthey beconsumed..but ye sons of  men are not consumed..because of  Hisgreat love.

[sheila]

well..what's born of the spirit is spirit[as God's wheat[spirit seed]sown inthe earth[falltothe earth anddie] wemust be born againfrom above

or[gathered in the barn/storehouse ofheaven]orborn again of avirgin[144,00o] breasts ofheaven[wavebreast]born/die/born.

nowthe tare seedisbut the corruptseed..andhasnolife init[theangelsasked..from whence comethetares/death/cloudswithout water[nolife]

twice dead...like Reuben thatdefiled his Father's bed..is satan..defiling what is Holy unto theLord.bed/rest.

tare seed is death...sin seed kills..and this seed in flesh is condemned/judged once/condemned whencast out fromheaven..awaiting

it'ssecound death by fire[consuming]

Michael[who is like God?]warredwith these tares[satanandhis angels]andthrewthem out..because they are not like GOD

and God will not give Hisglory unto another. they sowed theirownseed after theirkind inthe earth. GodisLIFE LOVE  TRUTH

these other are death.liar and hatred[enmity]  twice dead/judged/condemned[water/floodof Noah/fire coming]

Basically,sin is not re-membered in the body of God or Jesus. He hasno place inHeaven..andsoon no place inthe earth..itiscut offas a

body member.  theHigh Priest prophesied that it is better for one to die..lest the whole nation perish...Jesus took onthe

appearance  of  sin/flesh as the High Priest Lord'sgoat..but as thefinalactof atonement Hewillconfess allthe sin He bore on the cross

onto the scapegoats/Azazels lot...and remove it to an uninhabited/desolate/cutoff/ land.Never to enter into God'spresence again.

sin/satan as a cause of offense to God's Holiness...thusitisbetter that sin..as abody member die..that the nation live.

Jesus really does take all the sin of the world away. it would have been better if he/sin never come into our being or beenborn inour flesh

.The Prince of this world has nothing in me.not a member of His body.   He routinely cast them out while here in the flesh...

   the secound resurrection..ofthe dead..is when they come tothe earth and entered man's weak flesh...tocorrupt/kill/hate/lie.....

andjust like weed seeds are burned..so shal lthey beconsumed..but ye sons of  men are not consumed..because of  Hisgreat love.

[GodIsLove]

I wonder if "Second death" should be read in conjunction with "Born Twice, Die Once".
Granted the second part doesn't come straight from the Bible. It can of course be argued it's in any shape or form in the Bible.

First of all we shouldn't view it to literal. Many very good Christians died. Literally.
Actually it's a fact they died twice.
They died the literal death. And before that they died what many Christians call "died to self", the final step before being reborn in Christ/as a Christian.

The unbeliever dies a second death in the Lake.

So could it be that both believer and unbeliever die twice and are reborn twice?
Only the order is changed.

Believer: Born -> Finds Jesus -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Literal death -> Heaven
Unbeliever: Born -> Literal death -> Find Jesus in the Lake -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Heaven

:dsunny:

I like it! It makes sense to me!

[joeteekay]

So could it be that both believer and unbeliever die twice and are reborn twice?
Only the order is changed.

Believer: Born -> Finds Jesus -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Literal death -> Heaven
Unbeliever: Born -> Literal death -> Find Jesus in the Lake -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Heaven

:dsunny:

Good way to look at it.

Heb 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 

Heb 9:27 likely referring to the Symbolic death (death to self). Occurs with the believer before the Symbolic death and with the unbeliever before the symbolic death in the Lake (White Throne). Perhaps?  :2c:

[marie glen]

e.g.  7 squared is 49 (7X7)

Oh! thanks!.. I should have remembered that! As 12 is the square root of 144.. and 144 is the square of 12 - :doh:

By far, Einstein's best-known equation is "E=mc2 - energy equals mass times the velocity of light squared." According to this equation, any given amount of mass is equivalent to a certain amount of energy, and vice versa.

  i.e. speed of light is 6.706e+8 (8th power) in mph or The speed of light in a vacuum is 186,282 miles per second.
Speed of light squared is 34700983524.

Oh! ..so it's not mass + velocity of light squared, but mass times the velocity of light squared - which is 34700983524.. so any mass times 34700983524 will show the amount of energy in that mass..

How incredible is the mind of God.  :dsunny:  :thumbsup:

    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ..I've been sort of down the rabbit hole for a couple of days.. learning more about what's called last days bible prophecy.. But standing out most of all is the culmination - all that energy released - does not occur except in His timing.. Therefor, imo, highlighting the verse "will He do anything without first letting His servants know?" {the trumpets being largely some of this release of massive energy.. mass destruction.. yes, just as literal as Adam, Eve, Virgin birth, crucifixion and resurrection.. and 70 a.d... if/when I have an image of a mushroom cloud.. the pillar will be labeled as, largely the trumpets.. And the circular dust wave, like a tide or pond ripple, labeled as the bowls - the after effects. Then at that notorious last battle (Rev 12:17 w Mt 23:39; Rev 16:14-15-16) more mass energy released.. (Rev chapter 12 is an insert and total history on its own.) https://bibleprophecy4today.blogspot.com/2018/02/bible-prophecy-biggest-errors.html I'm working on a bible tract which will be both U.R. and bible prophecy related.

[marie glen]

So could it be that both believer and unbeliever die twice and are reborn twice?
Only the order is changed.

Believer: Born -> Finds Jesus -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Literal death -> Heaven
Unbeliever: Born -> Literal death -> Find Jesus in the Lake -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Heaven

:dsunny:

..That's what I was wondering awhile back.. The believer - elect, designated to believe during this lifetime - dies to self.. before physical death. So - is physical death, for them, actually, the 2nd death? Which "shall not harm them" / they "will not be harmed by the 2nd death".

But nonbelievers die the physical death first.. so at repentance and reconciliation (btw, the description of atonement/day of) and process, they then die to self, it being for them, the 2nd death (having physically died before).. All baptized with the Spirit and with fire..

[WhiteWings]

Sulfur is used to treat parasitic infections, like worms, and to treat skin conditions and infections. I used sulfur topically on my skin and scalp in the past  and it works great.

Sulfur can be burned to fumigate for germs and mold etc.

  YES !!!  It sure seems we are  made up of all this elements  , being tested by the FIRE /WORD /TRUTH/GOLD

So that's why I never am ill with the flu or something similar.  Lotsa brimstone in me. The downside is bad breath  :laugh:

[WhiteWings]

Heb 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Heb 9:27 likely referring to the Symbolic death (death to self). Occurs with the believer before the Symbolic death and with the unbeliever before the symbolic death in the Lake (White Throne). Perhaps?  :2c:

Which two things flow from under the throne?
How you call it when it heaps up in one place?

That's my last riddle for today. Shut eye time for me.
It's not a difficult riddle. In fact I'm 100% sure you all know the answer.
But the answer is so simple you may overlook it.

I'm pretty sure the answer will make you smile all day long  :declare:

[sheila]

heapofwheat..the heave offering,part of the wave offering/thigh of the High Priest.toliftup...just as Jesus lifted up /exalted God..Godlifted him up.

   just as Jesus waslifted uponthe cross..Godlifted him upfrom death.changed in the twinkling of an eye..to meet the Lord in the clouds

generally positive..birth..blessing of breast and thigh...sos 7;2

[rosered]

I wonder if "Second death" should be read in conjunction with "Born Twice, Die Once".
Granted the second part doesn't come straight from the Bible. It can of course be argued it's in any shape or form in the Bible.

First of all we shouldn't view it to literal. Many very good Christians died. Literally.
Actually it's a fact they died twice.
They died the literal death. And before that they died what many Christians call "died to self", the final step before being reborn in Christ/as a Christian.

The unbeliever dies a second death in the Lake.

So could it be that both believer and unbeliever die twice and are reborn twice?
Only the order is changed.

Believer: Born -> Finds Jesus -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Literal death -> Heaven
Unbeliever: Born -> Literal death -> Find Jesus in the Lake -> Symbolic death -> Reborn -> Heaven

:dsunny:

  I too love   your approach   in the simplest  way to explain   WW   :dsunny:

God bless you !
  My only  observation is this  , the second death causes  harm  [Rev 9]   and has no power over those  hid in Christ  already  , they already gave up everything in the world  BUT ARE ALIVE and cannot die ever   :HeartThrob:

   

I have always seen the man of sin /error suffering loss   , could this be dying in your sins /error  than ?   a literal death and suffering loss ,  being harmed and powerless     Rev 9 ;6 In those days people will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will flee from them.

1 Cor 3 Christ Our Foundation   , building on truth .
(Isaiah 28:14-22; 1 Peter 2:4-12)

10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise master builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man's work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as one being snatched from the fire.

  Jesus Christ is destroying the works of the devil than HE is destroying Babylon  by the   Sword of truth out of His mouth

I do believe it will be when they bow the knee and  confess Christ than will they repent  of their wrong  and be saved ..

 

[rosered]

Heb 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Heb 9:27 likely referring to the Symbolic death (death to self). Occurs with the believer before the Symbolic death and with the unbeliever before the symbolic death in the Lake (White Throne). Perhaps?  :2c:

Which two things flow from under the throne?
How you call it when it heaps up in one place?

That's my last riddle for today. Shut eye time for me.
It's not a difficult riddle. In fact I'm 100% sure you all know the answer.
But the answer is so simple you may overlook it.

I'm pretty sure the answer will make you smile all day long  :declare:

   :laughing7:  Yes!!!!!!!!   water and fire   from the THRONE OF GRACE , have a great evening  Bro T !!


1Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2down the middle of the main street ... Then he brought me back to the door of the house; and behold, water was flowing from under the threshold of the house toward the east, for the house faced east.

  Daniel 7 Daniel's Vision of the Ancient of Days


9"I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire.

10"A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened. 11"Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire....

baptisms of fire and water    :dsunny:

[marie glen]

:2c: some scriptural reasoning I believe God/Jesus will not burn mankind in the LOF for even alittle while.It is appointedONCE

forman todie. Isaaih 66;23 24 From one new moon to another and from one Sabbath unto another ALL mankind will come and

bow done before me,says the Lord. Andthey will  GO OUT AND LOOK UPON the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me..

    :Chinscratch: I never have really thought of how verse 24 follows verse 23! :doh: Seems obvious, yes! But.. what it seems, to me, to be saying.. is from new moon to new moon and sabbath to sabbath, all mankind will worship before Him.. yet the dead bodies will still be visible.. which would be immediately following His return... all will worship.. survivors (why would anyone not "believe" by that point?)

And? immediately following the fire consuming those who surrounded the Jerusalem of the millennium around the end of the millennium, after which is the resurrection of all those not yet saved before they died..

Of course our heavenly Father can show to all minds - and any mind - the dead bodies (the fruit and result of life other than in union with Him; the fruit, result and consequences of carnality/nature and character not in close union with Him) - He can show the image and the memory of it whenever He wants to.. The wars.. the dead bodies.. and also each one of our own dead body which was our carnal character which was lost and w/o God..

   2Peter 1;19-21  and we have the wordsof the prophets made more certain..and you will do well to pay attention untoit,

      Jesus come like a thief in the night....

and took away from satan what he thought he had..a host body in man.

and some would take the kingdom by force, if it cannot be done otherwise, but not until our heavenly Father's timing..

Not something. You struck the very core meaning of the symbology.
Or perhaps a better expression you struck gold :banana:


Part of the gold refining process is adding sulfur to the molten gold to purge it of impurities. Click

When  sulfur is added it binds itself to impurities, forms sulphides that float to the surface where it can be easily removed.

The process cause smoke.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

As we shall see in section C1 torment is actually a word meaning testing.

So it's the smoke of refining gold. Yet another reference to purification (of gold)

Brimstone is another reference to purification.

Sulfur is used to treat parasitic infections, like worms, and to treat skin conditions and infections. I used sulfur topically on my skin and scalp in the past  and it works great.

Sulfur can be burned to fumigate for germs and mold etc.

So I'm thinking fire and brimstone—aka sulfur—is to purify. The fire is not to burn the person being purified, but to burn the sulfur, which turns it to a gas that purifies.

Am I onto something with this thinking??

  YES !!!  It sure seems we are  made up of all this elements  , being tested by the FIRE /WORD /TRUTH/GOLD

     ...salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

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made me think;" the gas that purifies"..and God saying..Iwillcover the heavenswith darkness when I SNUFF YOU OUT


   Rev 9;17   redfire/blue/smoke/yellow sulpher..killing athirdof mankind[outer court fleshbody ofman/put todeath inthe flesh.

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    baptisms of fire and water    :dsunny: 
        water and fire   from the THRONE OF GRACE

12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man's work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as one being snatched from the fire.

  Jesus Christ is destroying the works of the devil than HE is destroying Babylon  by the   Sword of truth out of His mouth

I do believe it will be when they bow the knee and  confess Christ than will they repent  of their wrong  and be saved ..

10"A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened. 11"Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire.…

    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Amen all..! (water and fire - truth/life and purity..?)

[sheila]

God divided[heapedup] the red sea...divided death..1st death from 2nd. one was blessed..from now on Blessed is he who dies in the Lord.

all men are appointed to die once.  two edged sWORD..righteous/salvation edge unto men/condemnation/judgement edge unto satan/evilones.

.all mens spirits are sHoly unto the Lord. satan and his spirits are vile. the worse sinner man on earth..his spirit is more like God then any of our flesh is.


    that 'eternity' in the heart of the earth..may not be fathomed by man..but it is there. From now on callno man unclean.

  Paulsaid' for apart from law..sin is dead....there is no law against love.Jesus appears again..apart from sin...andwe shall bejust like Himwhen we see Him face toface.

we died when we were born of woman under the law...but Jerusalem ABOVE is our Mother!  the Mother of Our spirits.

[sheila]

let me put it this way...because of WHAT JESUS DID..all mankind have a better resurrection...forwhen the prodigal son was dead and come home..he also recieved

  the BEST ROBE. now some  may have life more abundantly now[recieve atoken of the spirit]but allmen will recieve the eternallife/better resurrection when they return

[their spirits] unto the Father.

[WhiteWings]

let me put it this way...because of WHAT JESUS DID..all mankind have a better resurrection

I disagree....
Without Jesus there wouldn't have been any resurrection.
The wages of sin is very dead, always dead. Jesus paid those wages. And that opened a whole Book of Life...

[WhiteWings]

  My only  observation is this  , the second death causes  harm  [Rev 9]   and has no power over those  hid in Christ  already  , they already gave up everything in the world  BUT ARE ALIVE and cannot die ever   :HeartThrob:

That's beacuse the second death is the literal death. That's just a doorway to the Throne, where you receive your ticke to heaven.
The hurt was done during the lifetime. You didn't just instantly die but all sin got spanked out of you. That was your hurt. Or your loss as bad works get burned up. (and gold stays)

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    :Chinscratch: I never have really thought of how verse 24 follows verse 23! :doh: Seems obvious, yes! But.. what it seems, to me, to be saying.. is from new moon to new moon and sabbath to sabbath, all mankind will worship before Him.. yet the dead bodies will still be visible.. which would be immediately following His return... all will worship.. survivors (why would anyone not "believe" by that point?)

From that I understand that one day the whole earth will keep God's calendar.
So worshipday is 1 single Sabbath and not different depending on denomination or whatever your boss wants.

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and some would take the kingdom by force, if it cannot be done otherwise, but not until our heavenly Father's timing..

I'm unable to quote my stuff here I can but it becomes an unreadable mess.
http://radical-reaction.com/MyChristianSites/BitsAndPieces/hebraic_meaning.html
Scroll down about halfway to "Violence in God's Kingdom?"
As a very short summary is this:
force, voilence is a totally wrong translation that leaves out truckloads of symbology.
It means happiness, very eager.
Sheep released out of the pen to storm the green meadows.
It's packed with Good Shepperd stuff.

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Rosey answered a part of my riddle.

Rev 22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Daniel 7:10 A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.
-> When the flow heaps up you get a lake.


Who is standing in front of the judgment seat, is standing in the river of Life.