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[Cristina100]

I came across this guy called bobo557 on youtube.He claimed that universalism is a heresy.

[trettep]

You are partaking of the life of Christ, it is no different than when Christ looked upon Jerusalem and said,

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matthew 23:37)

We look upon other groups and wish for all to be united in love, and it grieves His Spirit in us that the truth has not yet been manifested in all but we rest in faith that it is going to happen.

Another one is (from the NASB)

"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!" (Luke 12:49)

We wish the truth was burning in all

I'm very impressed with that response.  Good blessing put on you.

:thumbsup:

[eaglesway]

I came across this guy called bobo557 on youtube.He claimed that universalism is a heresy.

Ther are people posting all over the place that UR is a heresy. It is not the prevailing view. That is why we must look to the scriptures for what we believe.

Everyone thinks the belief that are not the same as theirs is heresy, and everything from ones view of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to how we ought to baptize(or whether we ought to) to and a dozen other doctrinal differences provoke cries of heresy :o)

On this site we regard the scriptures, properly translated, as the final authority- and so we labor on sharing the good news.

In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. Eph 1

19 For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. Col 1

And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. I John 2

This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:4

[jugghead]

You are partaking of the life of Christ, it is no different than when Christ looked upon Jerusalem and said,

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matthew 23:37)

We look upon other groups and wish for all to be united in love, and it grieves His Spirit in us that the truth has not yet been manifested in all but we rest in faith that it is going to happen.

Another one is (from the NASB)

"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!" (Luke 12:49)

We wish the truth was burning in all

I'm very impressed with that response.  Good blessing put on you.

:thumbsup:

"for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Galatians 6:7)

Thank you for your kind response trettep

[marie glen]

"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!" (Luke 12:49)

We wish the truth was burning in all

    :idea2: Wow! Amen! Love that..!! Makes infinitely more sense than how it is usually assumed to read!  :cloud9: ..and truth burns away all untrue..

I think the internet is shining a light on the differnt gospel interpretations.. I just hate it when I see a christian in dialog with an unbeliever and they bring out the ages old "hell" card.. or annihilation.. etc.. the God will get you idea.. and then dear one you will burn forever and ever, 3/4s of humanity writhing in agaonizing unbelievable pain for ever and ever.. but of course "God is love" and if you end up there it will be all your fault. ...And in the heat of debate.. sometimes.. that leaves a very sour impression.. (Anyway, so many dialogs are downright ridiculous and the unbeliever knows it full well!! :mshock: )

More and more, I am realizing how this gospel message is in fact a way of "standing in the door and not letting others enter"... Don't we realize too how "honey draws better than.." (How's that saying go? :laughing7: ) "Hell" prevents so many from being able to believe :sigh: (For the time being, of course! :banana: )

[jugghead]

...And in the heat of debate.. sometimes.. that leaves a very sour impression..

Don't forget how this relates to the parable of the wineskin, when the old wineskin bursts (gets angry) during the coarse of the debate ..... the new wine (perishes) is lost to the ground and the old wineskin perishes

The new wine perishing is in relation to "again crucifying Christ"

[rosered]

...And in the heat of debate.. sometimes.. that leaves a very sour impression..

Don't forget how this relates to the parable of the wineskin, when the old wineskin bursts (gets angry) during the coarse of the debate ..... the new wine (perishes) is lost to the ground and the old wineskin perishes

The new wine perishing is in relation to "again crucifying Christ"

   :HeartThrob:  love that Jugg  Amen !!
Amen     eat my body and drink my blood that you may HAVE LIFE in you ...

  21"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment;

otherwise the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results.


22"No one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins,

and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins."

  This is how we also bring judgment on ourselves    not discerning the Lords Body  :HeartThrob:

Be patient and kind    , loving all where ever they are at    IN the Body of Christ  , dead/  sleeping  or alive we are all  HIS   

[marie glen]

 :Chinscratch: ...how true! The imperfect carnal nature cannot hold the new wine / his Spirit.. the spilling of anger being a symptom and evidence(?) And on the Internet, especially if anonymous, it's easy to yield to the temptation to such.. And even if 'they' don't, the message which includes 'hell' or annihilation, is in itself very threatening and more of confrontational in nature.. By the fruit we can tell the value of something. I've been pondering how the hell doctrine seems, with help from the Internet, getting even more obnoxious and unloving..! Though many Christians get into dialog with people and enthusiastic in trying to convince, as they feel the person they are talking to is in grave danger if they do not change their mind and believe. But the impression that is given, I think, leans most often toward 'obnoxious'..

And the bread and the (New) wine are sustenance for His Spirit in us.. the source of being able to "love all wherever they're at" ..Even the unsaved / not yet saved.. better able to be patient and kind.. And it's more humbling once we realize our election has nothing to do with us! We didn't choose Him, He chose us, and not because we were any 'better' (or worse) than anyone else! It's simply that in His truth proving drama of letting this all run its natural course, there has to be more than one character, so to speak.. Like a play with two characters, the elect / sealed on their heart, and the not elect during this lifetime..

Therefor, except for the grace of God, there go I.. But with the hell gospel, the impression ( sometimes attitude?) can be 'I'm good, you're bad' ..I'm superior, you're inferior.. (bad fruit!)

[jugghead]

Amen Rose and Marie ...... you can't put the new wine of UR into an old wineskin of ET

[jugghead]

Had to add a few more things ..... it reminded me of a line from the movie "Timecop", the same matter cannot occupy the same space at the same time

The old has to be taken out and replaced with the new ..... a heart that the carnal mind has filled with ET has to die before it can be replaced with the new heart of flesh, a living heart (the heart of stone is taken out) ..... replaced with the new wineskin where the new wine (New Covenant of Grace, which is reconciliation) is put in place of the old wine (Old Covenant of the law which condemns)

The mind of Christ fills the new heart with reconciliation by putting to death condemnation through the law

But just like Christ, they have to freely give their life, exchange life for life, nobody can take it from them because they already believe they have it, therefore we forgive them, for they know not what they do.

If they do not want to hear what we have to say, we do as Christ told His disciples, shake the dust off our feet (the dust they have eaten) and move on to the next.

Amen?

[rosered]

Had to add a few more things ..... it reminded me of a line from the movie "Timecop", the same matter cannot occupy the same space at the same time

The old has to be taken out and replaced with the new ..... a heart that the carnal mind has filled with ET has to die before it can be replaced with the new heart of flesh, a living heart (the heart of stone is taken out) ..... replaced with the new wineskin where the new wine (New Covenant of Grace, which is reconciliation) is put in place of the old wine (Old Covenant of the law which condemns)

The mind of Christ fills the new heart with reconciliation by putting to death condemnation through the law

But just like Christ, they have to freely give their life, exchange life for life, nobody can take it from them because they already believe they have it, therefore we forgive them, for they know not what they do.

If they do not want to hear what we have to say, we do as Christ told His disciples, shake the dust off our feet (the dust they have eaten) and move on to the next.

Amen?

Amen
   and the scattering of the flesh is  the dust as  the serpents food !


And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this,

thou art cursed above all beasts and above every animal of the field;

upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life;


New Heavens and Earth
...24"It will also come to pass that before they call,

I will answer; and while they are still speaking,

I will hear.


25"The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox;

and dust will be the serpent's food.

They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain," says the LORD.

[aaronclark1989]

One of the things that is really wired about not only fundamental sites but also videos on Youtube put together by fundies (beside the crap they believe and say and do) is just how poor the quality is at times. I mean just look at websites like Jesus Is Savior which looks like it is from the mid ninties or even videos from people like Josh Feuerstein who records his videos off his cell phone many times while in portrait mode. Yet people like Gary Amirault or Martin Zender whose websites and videos are well produced and put together like actually effort was done.

[darryl]

One of the things that is really wired about not only fundamental sites but also videos on Youtube put together by fundies (beside the crap they believe and say and do) is just how poor the quality is at times. I mean just look at websites like Jesus Is Savior which looks like it is from the mid ninties or even videos from people like Josh Feuerstein who records his videos off his cell phone many times while in portrait mode. Yet people like Gary Amirault or Martin Zender whose websites and videos are well produced and put together like actually effort was done.

yup !...speaks volumes