A question about Time

[sheila]

 yes...an exercize in good/evil. for the spirit sons and daughters of God.

[Molly]

There will still be time even after we have received our glorified bodies.


That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.  Eph 2:7


Time is not a bad or difficult thing for an immortal. :winkgrin:

In fact, I'm sure it will be more like the time we consider vacation than the time we consider work [two different kinds of time].

World without end!

[VineBranch]

I understand your question. But whether time does not exist has been debated for millennia,  ...

:laugh:

[micah7:9]

I understand your question. But whether time does not exist has been debated for millennia,  ...

:laugh:

:laugh:

[VineBranch]

My deepest sympathies for having spent any amount of time waiting anywhere for that book! And, my book is just a universalist summa theologica, nothing outlandish like a claim that one went to Hell/tripped on acid haha.
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Universalist?  or Universal reconciliation?

[VineBranch]

In fact, I'm sure it will be more like the time we consider vacation than the time we consider work [two different kinds of time].

Molly, do you think that could be two different social constructs of time, and not necessarily two kinds of time?

[Lazarus Short]

The discussion so far reminds me of this:



A SHORT HISTORY OF THE HUMAN RACE

One mountain said to another mountain, "Did you see something?"

[k1ngm3]

My deepest sympathies for having spent any amount of time waiting anywhere for that book! And, my book is just a universalist summa theologica, nothing outlandish like a claim that one went to Hell/tripped on acid haha.
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Universalist?  or Universal reconciliation?

Er... sure, call it universalist, universal reconciliatory, apokatastastic, or even TUUIP (if you're Calvinist).

[Molly]

In fact, I'm sure it will be more like the time we consider vacation than the time we consider work [two different kinds of time].

Molly, do you think that could be two different social constructs of time, and not necessarily two kinds of time?

Not sure what you mean by social construct of time.  I'm pretty sure you don't mean middle class versus rich time, .....do you? :laugh:

But, I do know time is very elastic.  I've been playing with it for years.

I wonder what makes us think that God would be outside of time.  Time seems to be a necessary aspect of creation and he's a Creator.

Man thinks he is constrained by time, but he's not.

So, what do you mean?

PS something that has been going over and over in my head lately:  He is the God of second chances.  You need time for that.


[Micah 7:18] "Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love."

[eaglesway]

There will still be time even after we have received our glorified bodies.


That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.  Eph 2:7


Time is not a bad or difficult thing for an immortal. :winkgrin:

In fact, I'm sure it will be more like the time we consider vacation than the time we consider work [two different kinds of time].

World without end!

Jesus would be the perfect example of the idea that immortals have no problem with being in time (or out of it IMO)

about world without end - to the age of the ages (an unending age or everlasting age)New Testament occurrence Ephesians 3:21

ειςG1519 unto  πασαςG3956 all  ταςG3588 the  γενεαςG1074 generatios  τουG3588 (of) the αιωνοςG165 aion τωνG3588  (of)the αιωνωνG165 aions 
 
unto every generation of the age of the ages   CLV and YLT agree

Old Testament occurrence

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlastingH5769(olam olam) salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. ad H5704 olam H5769 adH5703
(Isa 45:17)
ad olam ad     terminus vanishing point terminus or from absolute beginning through unkown duration to absolute end or everlasting end.......

..... depending on who you believe or where your own contextual studies take you, this could read either way as to a completion point for time or an unending age of time.

ad5704 occurs over 1000 times in the OT and usually just means "and" and a multiplier, like the herbs "and" the beasts "and" the birds

ad 5703 only occurs 48 times and KJY and YLT render it ever and forever (as in perish forever)

CLV renders it like "will be" or "will come" (as in will come to perishing)

[VineBranch]

In fact, I'm sure it will be more like the time we consider vacation than the time we consider work [two different kinds of time].

Molly, do you think that could be two different social constructs of time, and not necessarily two kinds of time?

Not sure what you mean by social construct of time.  I'm pretty sure you don't mean middle class versus rich time, .....do you? :laugh:

But, I do know time is very elastic.  I've been playing with it for years.

I wonder what makes us think that God would be outside of time.  Time seems to be a necessary aspect of creation and he's a Creator.

Man thinks he is constrained by time, but he's not.

So, what do you mean?

PS something that has been going over and over in my head lately:  He is the God of second chances.  You need time for that.


[Micah 7:18] "Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love."

I once told a friend of mine that God took six whole days to perform creation to show us that time was important:  He could have done it in an instant had He so chosen.

What I mean by social construction of time is this.  I have been told since I was a child that work comes first.  If work takes up all the time you have then so be it.  If you have any time left you can use for your hobbies, or interests.  It was refered to as free-time.  Work is where I spend time because I have to, and as such it has a certain social value, and must be used productively.  Free time doesn't need a structure to have a value.  If this is clear as mud, please tell me, I'll see if I can make it even more confusing. :laugh:

[Molly]

Is that the catholic or the protestant work ethic?

If protestant, it sounds lutheran.

I'm just blowing smoke here.

What if you love your work?  Doesn't that mess the whole thing up? :laughing7:

And, what if its value cannot be measured by the usual norms of societal approval or money?

Only a deep satisfaction...

[Lazarus Short]

Work time, free time, work ethic?  I'm retired, so I like to say that I have two kinds of time, six Saturdays and one Sunday.  How does that feel?  Having not to get up and go to work most everyday makes time seem more open-ended, and I am more contented.  Back about 1994 to 2004 i worked at a job forty strenuous hours a week, plus some overtime, plus taking call, plus rotating weekends.  After a while, I was tired on Saturdays, OK on Sundays...then tired on Saturdays, Sundays, and only rested on Mondays of a three-day weekend.  I had no life, and it seemed that I was either at work, or on my way to work.  The contrast with time now is just amazing.  The feel of time in the ages to come will be even more amazing.  :cloud9:

[VineBranch]

Back about 1994 to 2004 i worked at a job forty strenuous hours a week, plus some overtime, plus taking call, plus rotating weekends.  After a while, I was tired on Saturdays, OK on Sundays...then tired on Saturdays, Sundays, and only rested on Mondays of a three-day weekend.  I had no life, and it seemed that I was either at work, or on my way to work.  The contrast with time now is just amazing.  The feel of time in the ages to come will be even more amazing.  :cloud9:

That is what I was taught was time which had value, productive time.  Time spend doing something which couldn't be measured as productive was called spare time, and usually if you had some of that you were frowned on.  Only people who weren't participating in achieving the greater good were all had free time; they were lazy, free-loaders who were taking away from the whole, gathered by the hard working people who were supporting them.  You could only get away with doing nothing if you were retired, and then you had to putter around to show you weren't dead yet.

[eaglesway]

Back about 1994 to 2004 i worked at a job forty strenuous hours a week, plus some overtime, plus taking call, plus rotating weekends.  After a while, I was tired on Saturdays, OK on Sundays...then tired on Saturdays, Sundays, and only rested on Mondays of a three-day weekend.  I had no life, and it seemed that I was either at work, or on my way to work.  The contrast with time now is just amazing.  The feel of time in the ages to come will be even more amazing.  :cloud9:

That is what I was taught was time which had value, productive time.  Time spend doing something which couldn't be measured as productive was called spare time, and usually if you had some of that you were frowned on.  Only people who weren't participating in achieving the greater good were all had free time; they were lazy, free-loaders who were taking away from the whole, gathered by the hard working people who were supporting them.  You could only get away with doing nothing if you were retired, and then you had to putter around to show you weren't dead yet.

This is so true! :laughing7:

[Lazarus Short]

That means I need to putter more!

[eaglesway]

Is that the catholic or the protestant work ethic?

If protestant, it sounds lutheran.

I'm just blowing smoke here.

What if you love your work?  Doesn't that mess the whole thing up? :laughing7:

And, what if its value cannot be measured by the usual norms of societal approval or money?

Only a deep satisfaction...

Only a deep satisfaction

The richest reward and the greatest validation  :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

I really wish I hadn't posted the post, it is to wrangling, I won't do a foolish consideration again. At the time, I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks ever body! :banana:

[VineBranch]

Is that the catholic or the protestant work ethic?

If protestant, it sounds lutheran.

I'm just blowing smoke here.

What if you love your work?  Doesn't that mess the whole thing up? :laughing7:

And, what if its value cannot be measured by the usual norms of societal approval or money?

Only a deep satisfaction...

I was raised a protestant.

I agree it sounds Lutheran, but most reformation denominations (especially those in the north) tended to maximize the work ethic.  I hear it's not that bad these days in Europe.

People who loved their work didn't get as much credit for it as people who dragged themselves to work every day.  (This is also true in exercise classes I hear.)

If the value cannot be measured, it has no value:  something like the physics definition of work.

[VineBranch]

I really wish I hadn't posted the post, it is to wrangling, I won't do a foolish consideration again. At the time, I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks ever body! :banana:

You provided a place for a bunch of playful folk to hang out and spend some time.  I think you did great.

[eaglesway]

Putter...... Putter......Putter......?



Where is my Putter?

[VineBranch]

Putter...... Putter......Putter......?



Where is my Putter?

Right next to your four iron, which if you wouldn't mind, could you use to iron my shirts.  Thanks.

[Lazarus Short]

You might think we've run out of topics to discuss...

[VineBranch]

You might think we've run out of topics to discuss...

Play is also important:  don't you think.  If we have time to be serious, we should have time to have fun.  There could be season for levity and this could be it.  Maybe this is 'break time'.

[Lazarus Short]

Maybe we all just had a good weekend... :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: