The Third

[claypot]

Hey, some of you really got me thinking about this so I would like some more input...................

I went to sleep talking with the Lord about the fallen angels, the third that fell. I'm wondering if we humans are that third. It seems crazy but it fits so good and it encourages me greatly. It means that we were with God before. It makes Jesus' words about going back to His Father to be like it was before, menaingful to me. All people are summed up in Adam. That's a lot of people. Could it be the number of the third of the angels? Is that why this madness goes on and on? Is God waiting for that last angel to be redeemed?

The carnal mind is enmity against God. So are a third of the angels. Adam ate of the tree and was thrown out of the garden. Satan and a third of the angels got prideful and were cast out of heaven.

Gods truths are many faceted, many layered, like a diamond. These thoughts came upon me just yesterday. I am feeling much closer to God because of them for some reason. Just think about it. Here we are, a host of heavenly beings. Then God continues His work by allowing a third of us to experience something different, something awful, something strange, something so beautiful in the end. Just like Jesus. Jesus came from God, became in all ways like mortal man, became sin, experienced things awful and beautiful and then returned to God.

The implications are enormous. Robin is challenging me like crazy on these thoughts as I am doing to myself but the obvious questions are making it more real. It fits. It makes sense.

The two thirds are experiencing something extremely special that we will never experience and that is the experience of never sinning while we are very special to God too in that we experience the awfulness of sin and all its implications. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

cp

[IceDash]

I thought Human came last...

Maybe God's plan all along was to saved the devil's soul?


The truth is we all don't know God's plan but Paul and the others know his secret plan, even Abraham...

[claypot]

Is our salvation a remembering?

A re-membering. Being united again with God Himself and those two thirds who are our brothers.

cp

[claypot]

I thought Human came last...

Maybe God's plan all along was to saved the devil's soul?


The truth is we all don't know God's plan but Paul and the others know his secret plan, even Abraham...

Hey ID,

Jesus is the first and last. The order of events is not as easily discerned as we might think. God was, is and is to come. The same yesterday, today and forever.

The 'Devil's soul' will be done away with IMO. The Devil's soul IMO is the carnal mind. This carnal mind is and will be replaced by the mind of Christ. The stronger will always eventually win out over the weaker.

The secret is being revealed ID. You know more than you think, I think!

cp

[chuckt]

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

[IceDash]

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

That's the one I was talking about but one tiny problem: Jesus and his people in a new heaven, outside the gate are dogs, liar, evil......

does that mean the "test by fire" fail?

[chuckt]

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

That's the one I was talking about but one tiny problem: Jesus and his people in a new heaven, outside the gate are dogs, liar, evil......

does that mean the "test by fire" fail?

well depends on how you look at it, spiritually speaking are not the dogs and liars ""outside"" right NOW??

as for the ""future"' i can not say, nor can i say how long they stay ""outside"' but some say this is just for the millineum, which also raise questions....

it is a tuff topic, tradition still clouds my mind.

thoughts?

God bless
chuckt

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Chuckt that Zech. scripture really hit me. Who says the third are individuals? Why couldn't the third that fell be a third of our nature, ie. the part that was heavenly to begin with, the spirit of man? Our Spirit RETURNS to the One that sent it.

Our Spirit is what is first saved in the outer court experience of knowing Jesus. Then we work out the rest of our salvation (means deliverance) with fear and trembling (soul) while waiting for the FULL REDEMPTION, the redemption of our bodies. So spirit, soul, and body are to come back into union with Christ who is our Head, and our Head is in the heavenly realm. Something to think about.

Are you gone yet pneuma? Blessings....                                               

[chuckt]

:cloud9: Chuckt that Zech. scripture really hit me. Who says the third are individuals? Why couldn't the third that fell be a third of our nature, ie. the part that was heavenly to begin with, the spirit of man? Our Spirit RETURNS to the One that sent it.

Our Spirit is what is first saved in the outer court experience of knowing Jesus. Then we work out the rest of our salvation (means deliverance) with fear and trembling (soul) while waiting for the FULL REDEMPTION, the redemption of our bodies. So spirit, soul, and body are to come back into union with Christ who is our Head, and our Head is in the heavenly realm. Something to think about.

Are you gone yet pneuma? Blessings....                                               

thats just crazy talk  :happy3: man that is very interesting!

thanks im gonna meditate on it. woohoo.

chuckt

[claypot]

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

OK, now I'm soaring. Chuck, that is an amazing verse. Just what I was looking for.

Card, I was also thinking about the body, soul and spirit application. There are so many 'thirds' in life. I think again of the many facets of all truth.

ID, fire is everlasting. It cannot fail. It just keeps working until all is consumed. Yes there are dogs and vile things still outside the gate so to speak. I see dogs still within my own being yet I know I am saved by fire as I know I will be saved by fire.

We have a host of Beings (the 2/3rds) watching us, waiting for us, helping us. An amazing thought to me.

I talked with my wife this morning. She still thinks I'm out to lunch on this one. I explained how I see it. God looks down and says....................

Now where did that boy come up with that one? Hmmmmmmmmm. That's a good one. Wish I would have thought of that!

or................

UH oh, I think that boy and his pals got it. Now watch things start to happen. Angels, wake up, they are going to need you, their family, more now than ever.

Jesus prayed to be reunited with God and us to join Him. In Christ we are going home!

cp

[claypot]

Again I want to stress another previous point............Why does this madness we call living still go on and on and on? All the evil and so on?

What if there is a certain number or completeness to the 'third'? If God made a whole and a third is missing or lost then doesn't it make sense that until every last one is found, until then the game must continue. He will not lose one!

I was also thinking of the small flock. One third is small compared to two the two thirds. We are the small flock.

Also where Jesus says He has other sheep not of this fold or something like that, that He must take care of. The 2/3rds are not complete without us. They can't be. 1/3rd out of a whole is a big void!

cp

[chuckt]

just as a kiln sets the clay, wouldnt the effects of the fire be what is everlasting?

just thinkin here

chuckt  :mblush:

[Cardinal]

thats just crazy talk  :happy3: man that is very interesting!

thanks im gonna meditate on it. woohoo. chuckt

:cloud9: Well, that would explain how I was shown "myself" speaking to myself, as an 8ft. angel with wings, if that part of us is the 3rd that fell, and also the first part that was redeemed. Blessings....

[claypot]

This puts a whole new slant on my viewing demons and Satan 'himself'.

'Fallen' mankind and demons seem like one and the same to me. Jesus talked with demons, bargained with them, complied with their wishes in some cases. Mans inhumanity to man cannot be any more demon like.

I tried to think how this happened, the 1/3rd becoming enmity to God. Hmmmmmmm.

God made a whole unit. It was pure marvelous in its own way. It was predictable in its own way. God went deeper into His thinking and creating processes. How to make the whole even more amazing? Hmmmmmmmm.

Cast some of this whole into a world of its own making. Let it be God for a time or think it is God. Pull back a bit and see how this whole functions on its own. Then slowly reel it all back in to make a complete, very intricate and complicated being, a Person!

cp

[WhiteWings]

If we are the 1/3 have our souls/spirits been is stasis for 1000s of years?
We are all kicked from heaven at the same time yet we are born with 1000s years in between.
Or didn't the 1/3 fall at the same time and every baby is a fallen angel.
My parents must have known that when they named me WhiteWings  :angel4:

[claypot]

just as a kiln sets the clay, wouldnt the effects of the fire be what is everlasting?

just thinkin here

chuckt  :mblush:

I think the effects of the fire are everlasting because the fire is everlasting. Our God is the Eternal Fire!

Keep thinking Chuck and more important to me is, keep sharing those great thoughts!

cp

[Cardinal]

If we are the 1/3 have our souls/spirits been is stasis for 1000s of years?
We are all kicked from heaven at the same time yet we are born with 1000s years in between.
Or didn't the 1/3 fall at the same time and every baby is a fallen angel.
My parents must have known that when they named me WhiteWings  :angel4:

:cloud9: This is one of those things where time and no time (Spirit) intersect and is going to be hard to wrap our minds around. I'm thinking......

Every baby would have to be a fallen angel. If we fell, then everything that we would produce would have to be from the same fallen state until He raises it back up again. Whoa.......the reason for us being  BORN FROM ABOVE (not born again), caught back up into our mother's womb (New Jerusalem)?!!!  :mshock:

[claypot]

If we are the 1/3 have our souls/spirits been is stasis for 1000s of years?

What I am thinking is that we have not been in stasis. WW, why does this madness keep going on? All the horrible things we live through generation after generation, the same horrible things.

We are being re-membered. It seems we are individual units. A many membered whole. A person. 1/3rd of this whole has been dis-membered from the whole in a sense. Until every aspect of the 1/3rd is recalled and retrofitted back into the whole, the creation of which God intends, is not complete.

So, not in stasis, but in the salvation process.

We are all kicked from heaven at the same time yet we are born with 1000s years in between.

Not all kicked from heaven............only 1/3rd. But in a way, a whole minus a third of itself, is not a whole so in a way the whole does suffer. Maybe that's why there is so much rejoicing in heaven over ONE fallen one when it is re-membered.

Oh, I see what you may be saying. Of the 1/3rd of us, we come into the world one at a time, sometimes thousands of years apart. God is a God of order. I could almost see something of reincarnation in the works. The same evil keeps being repeated in time but so does the same salvation.

Or didn't the 1/3 fall at the same time and every baby is a fallen angel.

Babies are little angels, that's for sure but take it from me (I have 11 'little angels'), they can be little demons too!!!!!


cp

[claypot]

If we are the 1/3 have our souls/spirits been is stasis for 1000s of years?
We are all kicked from heaven at the same time yet we are born with 1000s years in between.
Or didn't the 1/3 fall at the same time and every baby is a fallen angel.
My parents must have known that when they named me WhiteWings  :angel4:

:cloud9: This is one of those things where time and no time (Spirit) intersect and is going to be hard to wrap our minds around. I'm thinking......

Every baby would have to be a fallen angel. If we fell, then everything that we would produce would have to be from the same fallen state until He raises it back up again. Whoa.......the reason for us being  BORN FROM ABOVE (not born again), caught back up into our mother's womb (New Jerusalem)?!!!  :mshock:

Card, you're on a roll!

Tell me though, what does this possiblity do for you right now? How does it make you love God more and your neighbor more?

cp

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I don't know, it's still sinking in....... :mshock:

[Taffy]

 :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

Good thread.

Card :icon_flower:
Ya mentioned nature , briefly maybe its my wording or lack of it, but the restoration\renewing of what was fallen , being The Soul\Spirit , that which was enmity , The Mist, veil above the land  Gen 2:6,  I will no longer have my spirit STRIVE with MAN\=death of the Old man ... :icon_flower:

[claypot]

:icon_flower: :icon_flower:

Good thread.

Card :icon_flower:
Ya mentioned nature , briefly maybe its my wording or lack of it, but the restoration\renewing of what was fallen , being The Soul\Spirit , that which was enmity , The Mist, veil above the land  Gen 2:6,  I will no longer have my spirit STRIVE with MAN\=death of the Old man ... :icon_flower:

Taf, your  :2c: is always worth many dollars in my book.

cp

[Nathan]

There is an electricity on this thread that is not seen so much on the others . . . someone is on the verge of a break through here . . . this is what we call revelating . . God reveals . .we simply share what is being revealed and those who receive catch afire of the same flame.

The "re-membering" . . .think . . ."communion"  the purpose is to "re-member" Christ.  It's fellowship with another . . relationship in each other . . .this sharing is causing the body to come together . . . to be re-membered.

Keep in mind as you continue to hover over the face of the deep of where this is all going, God based the nature of his Son within the Tabernacle . . .it's structured after the nature of Jesus.  And in that, there are also three dimensions, the outer, the inner, and the holy of holies . . .and in revelation, John is told not to measure the outer as it's been handed over to the Gentiles . . .another picture of 1/3 falling to the earth . . .

But you guys are so fun to read on this . . .teach us now . . .share the things your mind can't comprehend with the rest of us . . .scatter these seeds of life out and let us receive them into our own spirits so they can then be planted and birthed into our understanding as well.

[claypot]

Tell me though, what does this possiblity do for you right now? How does it make you love God more and your neighbor more?

cp

Let me comment on my own question.

First of all if what I am learning of God does not help in a very real way then it's worthless. I do understand that lessons take time to penetrate our defenses or sink into our good soil but I try to look into the future as it were and see how something could help.

OK, this idea of we are the 1/3rd makes feel much more a part of the whole scheme of things. Makes me feel more intimate with it all. I mean, the 2/3rds are my real family in a real way.

Also I feel more connected in some way. Like a very real part of me (2/3rds) is in the Kingdom right now, pulling for me. If I have 2/3rds of all created angels pulling for me then I'm in good hands.

This makes me understand a bit more about why all goes on and on and on and on with really no rhyme or reason. Now I see that, until every last 'angel' is brought home then all will keep going on.

It helps me see God as more of a family man. Also as a God who will never leave 'a man' behind, never.

It is not an us and them thing here. It is an us and us thing. We are all pulling for each other. The 2/3rds need us to be whole as much as we need them.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

cp

[Molly]

If we are the 1/3 have our souls/spirits been is stasis for 1000s of years?
We are all kicked from heaven at the same time yet we are born with 1000s years in between.
Or didn't the 1/3 fall at the same time and every baby is a fallen angel.
My parents must have known that when they named me WhiteWings  :angel4:

:cloud9: This is one of those things where time and no time (Spirit) intersect and is going to be hard to wrap our minds around. I'm thinking......

Every baby would have to be a fallen angel. If we fell, then everything that we would produce would have to be from the same fallen state until He raises it back up again. Whoa.......the reason for us being  BORN FROM ABOVE (not born again), caught back up into our mother's womb (New Jerusalem)?!!!  :mshock:

5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.



14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.



--Rev 12



This is the story of my life rofl. :msealed: