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Is a Jubilee 49 or 50 years? Answer both...   :mshock:

120 Jubilees is:
120 x 50 = 6000 year
120 x 49 = 5880 year

A week is 7 days. Saturday is the 7th day and called Sabbath day.
Same for a week of years. The 7th year is a Sabbath year.
A week of weeks is 7 weeks of years. 7x7=49 years.
After the 7th Sabbath year (49th year) is a Jubilee year.
The most significant year on the calendar. Slaves are set free and debts are canceled out the Jubilee year. -> We are no longer enslaved by sin/death.

The Jubilee year is both the 50th year and the 1st year. (just like Sunday the 8th day. 8=1).
50=1
The Jubilee year is the first year of the next 49 year cycle.
Or even simpler the first year of the 49 year cycle is called Jubilee.
Adam was created at the very start of a Jubilee year. So mankind's clocks started ticking at a Jubilee.


1 2 3 ....  47 48 49 50
                      1  2  3 ....  47 48 49 50
                                              1 2 3 .......

In the era of Kings there where lots of co-regencies. The father king usually had a co ruler ship with his son for a few years.
(The father was still the real king but the son usually to care of public affairs.)
Example: The father reigned for 50 years. The last year the father reigned with his son who also reigned 50 years.
How long did they reign in total?
50+50=100  minus the 1 year co-regency  ==> 99 years
99 years chronologically (calendar time)
100 years of legal time. Both were really king.

Their 100 years are compressed into 99 years. (time is shortened)
The father reigned a Jubilee cycle (50) but due to the 1 year overlap (Jubilee year) his last year fell in the Jubilee cycle of the son.

So 120 jubilee cycles is 6000 years of reign but due to the overlap it's 120 year shorter; 5880 year.

I hope the above makes a bit of sense. :Chinscratch:

PS I likely will make some changes to this post later.

When does the (Sabbath/Jubilee) year start? Answer: Fall and spring. :umnick:

As you will see in this post the start of the year has changed since creation. One of the reasons is honor.thanks to God for leading the people to the promised land. I'm sure that change has a even bigger symbolic meaning. A meaning I unfortunately have no idea about. Yet...

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There are 3 main debates regarding the Jubilee cycle.
1] Is a Jubilee cycle 49 or 50 years long? ==> See my previous post.
2] When exactly is the next Jubilee? ==> That soley depends on secular data. When the Bible states that there was a Jubilee in the year of the 2nd solar eclipse in the reign of king-X. Only accurate historical and astronomical data gives the correct answer to our question. (interpretation of) secular data may conflict.
3] What month does the cycle start?  ==> In this post tries to answer that question.

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Many will say: Who cares about the exact dates? A few months more of less don't matter of a timespan of several millenia.
Besides that it's nice to know there is more importance to it. If the cycles are messed up all God's patterns break. His significant numbers like 7 suddenly become 6.5 or 7.5. Then we simply can't spot the patterns anymore. And without patterns a lot of depth an confirmation of theories is lost.
Below a picture of 4 Jubilee cycle systems.
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2569/4jubleecycles.gif)
In my opinion a lot of the confusion is because of theological bias. For example Jesus' death is linked to both a full passover moon and a Sabbath cycle. Some denominations state He died on a Friday while others say Thurday or Wednesday. Obviously the full moon wasn't on all 3 days in the same year. So another year has to be found that supports the 'day theory' of the denomination. But God's clock is synced on (with?) the Sabbath years, so interpretation of the Jubilee cycle needs to be aligned too....

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1st month: Abib = Nisan => Xanthicus on the Greek calendar (Usually April)
2nd month: Zif = Iyyar => Dios 1st month on the Greek calendar
7th month: Ethanium = Tishri (Usually September)
8th month: Bul = Marheshvan

^YLTExodus 34
18 `The feast of unleavened things thou dost keep; seven days thou dost eat unleavened things, as I have commanded thee, at an appointed time, the month of Abib: for in the month of Abib thou didst come out from Egypt.

==> A very clear verse. They came out of Egypt in the month Abib=Nisan=April

^YLTExodus 12
2 `This month is to you the chief of months--it is the first to you of the months of the year;
3 speak ye unto all the company of Israel, saying, In the tenth of this month--they take to them each man a lamb for the house of the fathers, a lamb for a house.
4 `(And if the household be too few for a lamb, then hath he taken, he and his neighbour who is near unto his house, for the number of persons, each according to his eating ye do count for the lamb,)
5 a lamb, a perfect one, a male, a son of a year, let be to you; from the sheep or from the goats ye do take it .
6 `And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;
7 and they have taken of the blood, and have put on the two side-posts, and on the lintel over the houses in which they eat it.

==> It's clear the first month is passover month (Nisan/April)
==> Why did God command Nisan would be the 1st month?
====> There was no calendar before? The flood story clearly refutes that idea.
====> Nothing changed. If so why God even mentioned it?
====> Something changed.

^YLTGenesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of the life of Noah, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, in this day have been broken up all fountains of the great deep, and the net-work of the heavens hath been opened,

==> This verse uses a calendar. Does it mean there was a calendar during Noach's time or did the author of this verse just extrapolate the calendar backwards? (more on that later)

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If the calendar changed or was completly new why didn't God explain all the changes/new things? That's because the months did not change at all. God just commanded that the 7th month would become the 1th month.
Old calendar: September October November December January February March April May June July August
New calendar: April May June July August September October November December January February March

The Jewish historian Josephus (37-100AD) who was a priest that came from a family of (high) priests and studied with the Saduceans, Pharisees and Essene wrote the folliwing to Greek people.

This calamity happened in the six hundredth year of Noah's government, [age,] in the second month,(14)
called by the Macedonians Dius, but by the Hebrews Marchesuan: for so did they order their year in Egypt.
But Moses appointed that · Nisan, which is the same with Xanthicus, should be the first month for their
festivals, because he brought them out of Egypt in that month: so that this month began the year as to all
the solemnities they observed to the honor of God, although he preserved the original order of the months
as to selling and buying, and other ordinary affairs.

The above shows that the ancient Jews observed a religious and a civil calendar.

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^EBRExodus 34
22 And, the festival of weeks, shalt thou make to thee, the firstfruits of the wheat harvest,––and the festival of ingathering, at the closing in of the year:

Ingathering is the feast of Tabernacles. The fall harvest. Obviously the start of the year is close to the end of the year.
So Exodus 34:22 states the year starts in the fall while Exodus 12:1 states the year starts in the spring.

On to the next post.

Now we need to figure out if the Jubilee/Sabbath cycle is aligned with the religious spring-spring year; or the civil fall-fall year.
Answer: Sabbath and Jubilee years start 1 Tishri (September)  

^YLTLeviticus 25
9 and thou hast caused a trumpet of shouting to pass over in the seventh month, in the tenth of the month; in the day of the atonements ye do cause a trumpet to pass over through all your land;

Leviticus is written after Exodus so it's safe to assume the writer was aware of the 2 calendars. The trumpet is sounded in the 7th month on the day of atonement. (September)

^YLTLeviticus 25
10 and ye have hallowed the year, the fiftieth year; and ye have proclaimed liberty in the land to all its inhabitants; a jubilee it is to you; and ye have turned back each unto his possession; yea, each unto his family ye do turn back.

So the trumpets blown in September signal the start of a Jubilee (50th) year. Does that Jubilee year start immediately or is it a warning that it really starts 6 month later in April? (surely it's no coincidence there are 7 trumpets in Revelation)
The Jewish new year is also called feats of trumpets. The new year is, obviously, every year. While sounding a trumpet 6 month ahead in a 50 year cycle doesn't sound very odd; doing the same every year is odd... As the verses below show immediate action was taken when the trumpet sounded. Very likely the Jubilee trumpet was also a signal for immediate action. Setting slaves free and cancel debts.

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And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the
tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of
the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee. When ye blow an alarm, then the camps that lie
on the east parts shall go forward. When ye blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the
south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys. But when the congregation is
to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm. (Numbers 10:3-7)

Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, gather
together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defensed cities. Set up the standard toward
Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction. (Jeremiah 4:5-6)
--> The horn was a battle cry. On the battle field everything is immediate.

Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not
hearken. Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them. Hear, O earth:
behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened
unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it. (Jeremiah 6:17-19)

They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all
the multitude thereof. (Ezekiel 7:14)

Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: Gather the people, sanctify the
congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom
go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (Joel 2:15-16)

All those verses indicate imediate action. So why would it be diffrent when declaring the Jubilee year?

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^JPSJoel 2
23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God; for He giveth you the former rain in just measure, and He causeth to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, at the first.

That verse speaks of the rain season. The 7th and 8th month. September/October are the former rain. The latter rain is in April.
To shift to the other calendar we simply need to apply a 6 month shift. The 2nd month becomes the 8th month.
8th month: Bul = Marheshvan
Bul simply means rain. So the rain season is a alignment of the two calendars.

^EBRGenesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year, the year of the life of Noah, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month––on this day, were burst open, all the fountains of the great roaring deep, and, the windows of the heavens, were set open.

The flood started in the month Bul/Rain. The water rose during the rain season (former-latter rain).
The word flood and rain are only one letter different in Hebrew

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The Sabbath/Jubilee year starts on 1 Tishri = September = Feast of trumpets.

One last (???) post on the start of the cycles.
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5095/templetable.gif)
Based upon inclusive reckoning (which is typically used in scripture), the result is very interesting. Using a fall
calendar for the start of the year yields seven years to construct the temple, but using a Nisan (Abib) calendar it
would have taken almost eight years to complete the temple.

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Summary of the this thread so far:

1] The civil calendar is from Tishri-Tishri = Fall-Fall = September-September
2] The civil calendar is still in use and started before the flood.
3] The (Sabbath/Jubilee) years start on 1 Tishri
4] When the people left Egypt God ordered a religous calendar.
5] The religious calendar is still in use and started at Exodus.
6] The religious year is from Nisan-Nisan = Spring-Spring = April-April
7] The religous year starts at the first month of the year.
8] The civil year starts at the 7th month of the year.

(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1520/120jubilees.gif)

Thus, the period from Abraham to Jesus was like a training period, comparable to Moses
being trained in the wilderness prior to his job of leading Israel out of Egypt.

The 80th Jubilee from Adam is 26 A.D. It brings us to the time of Jesus, who is one like
unto Moses, in that He led us out of our Egyptian bondage (to sin) at Passover. It takes no stretch
of imagination to see how Jesus, after the 80th Jubilee, did what Moses did at the age of 80.

Even as Moses led "the church in the wilderness" (Acts 7:38) for 40 years, so also did
Jesus lead the New Testament Church into the wilderness for a period of 40 Jubilees. Moses died
after leading Israel for 40 years, and Joshua led Israel across the Jordan river into the Promised
Land. So also in our day, after 40 more Jubilees, Jesus (whose Hebrew name is Joshua) will lead
us into the greater promise of the inheritance lost by Adam at the beginning.

There is a seeming discrepancy that we must reconcile at this point. The 80th Jubilee from
Adam was 26 A.D., but the New Testament Church began in 33 A.D. Thus, 40 Jubilees later we
find that we have two endpoints as well: 1986 and 1993. The year 1986 is the 120th Jubilee from
Adam; but 1993 was the 40th Jubilee of the Church.

To explain the reasons for this would require more background material than we can give
here. But by the time you have completed these studies, the full picture will be manifest. We can
only say for now that God planned this discrepancy in order to delay the fullness of the Spirit from
coming ahead of schedule.

Leviticus 12 tells us that when a woman gives birth to a son, she is unclean for seven days.
On the eighth day she is to have her son circumcised. Then she is remain separate from her
husband for yet another 33 days, for a total of 40 days (Lev. 12:2-4). However, if a woman gives
birth to a daughter, she is considered unclean for 14 days, followed by another 66 days of
purification and separation from her husband. And so, after a daughter's birth, she is to remain
separate from her husband for a total of 80 days (Lev. 12:5).

Summary:
Boy: the woman is unclean for 7 days and seperated from her husband for a totall of 40 days. (40 includes 7)
Girl: the woman is unclean for 14 days and seperated from her husband for a total 80 days. (80 includes 14)

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In the law, the people were required to bring a sacrifice to God as part of the purification
rite after childbirth (Lev. 12:6-8). It was not that they had committed a sin by having children, as
some have suggested; nor was it meant to imply that proper sexual relations was a sin. Rather, it
was to show that they had brought forth children in the image of fallen man—not in the image of
God. The child, whether boy or girl, was born into a realm of death (mortality). The woman had
thus "touched a dead body" and was therefore unclean for seven days (Num. 19:11). She was
defiled by the mortal condition of her offspring.

In a broad sense, there are two Adams: the first was made a living soul; the second was
made a living spirit (1 Cor. 15:45). Paul tells us here that "there is a soulish body, and there is a
spiritual body" (1 Cor. 15:44, literal translation). The word for "soul" or "soulish" is often
translated "natural," and this hides the significance of the word. But in understanding the
difference between soul and spirit, it is apparent that men descended from Adam are soulish,
while those descended from Jesus are spiritual Sons and Daughters.

Thus, we can see that Adam and Eve brought forth an age in which all were inherently
soulish. The word for "soul" is nephesh in Hebrew, and pseuche in Greek. These are feminine in
the original languages. (In the English language, we do not have masculine and feminine words,
but in many other languages, they do.) Thus, the soul is pictured as the feminine side of man,
while the spirit is pictured as the masculine side. Every man and every woman has both a feminine side and a masculine side, called the soul and the spirit. 

Summary:
Adam#1 = Soul = Female = 80 day seperation. (80 Jubilees)
Adam#2 = Spirit = Male = 40 day seperation. (40 Jubilees)

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(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2195/4080days.gif)
(It can be argued 26 and 33 AD are the correct dates but that's not important now.)

This also explains why God would not impregnate the earth by His Spirit prior to the 80th
Jubilee (26 A.D.). It would not have fit His Plan as revealed in Leviticus 12. The law is, and
always has been, the blueprint of His intent and Plan for the earth. We have not understood His
Plan because we have not understood His law. Jesus Himself became the sacrifice by which the
"woman" was cleansed and purified at the end of her 80 Jubilees of separation. Then and only
then could God once again impregnate the earth with His Spiritual Seed on the day of Pentecost.

Once again, the earth brought forth God's offspring. This time He brought forth a son.
Unfortunately, since the Feast of Pentecost is characterized by a leavened offering of firstfruits
(Lev. 23:17), it meant that God's son in the Pentecostal Age is leavened. That is, the sons of God
during this age are still mortal and imperfect. Thus, the law specifies that the woman (earth) must
await another 40 Jubilees of separation from her Husband before her time of purification is
complete. Only then is she lawfully able to be united with her Husband to conceive again. The 40
Jubilees of purification extended from 33 A.D. to 1993 A.D. The earth is now (1993) lawfully eligible to
be impregnated a third time—and this time the earth will bring forth the Manchild, the corporate
body of the Sons of God who are spiritually perfected and in the full image and likeness of God.

God waited seven years after the 80th Jubilee before impregnating His wife the second
time. The 80th Jubilee was in 26 A.D., but God waited until Pentecost of 33 A.D. to overshadow
His wife. This seven-year tarrying period at the beginning of the next 40 Jubilees plays out in a
seven-year difference between 1986 and 1993 as well. It partly explains why the Holy Spirit was
not poured out in 1986. Even though 1986 was the 120th Jubilee, the Pentecostal Age did not end
until 1993 A.D. Thus, the Spirit could not have come prior to 1993.

So WW, does that mean that we should count 40 more years onto 1993? This would make the time of the end 2033. Is this how you are seeing it?

CHB

I don't know yet Charlotte....
Look at the Fleshly Daughter and son picture.
At the year 0 earth gave birth to a girl. She was unclean for 80 Jubilees.
In 26 AD the husband was allowed to make his wife pregnant again.
But the HS waited 7 years. Why 7 years? My guess is that the answer lays in Daniels 70 weeks.
The last week ended when the Gospel wasn't preached to Jews only anymore but also the Gentiles. That week ended 33AD
The husband (=HS) was retrained by prophesies so to speak.

My guess regarding 1993...
In revelation we read about seven trumpets. The trumpets are sounded each new year.
We also read about 7 seals.
The HS was held back until 26 AD because it simply was unlawful to impregnate his wife sooner.
After that the HS was wating for a seal to be broken.
Jesus returns when all seals are broken.
A seal is possibly a prophesy that ended.
So in 1993 a seal is broken.
Does that mean HS impreganated the earth again?
I think only if a seal isn't holding HS back.
IMO there is at least 1 more seal. 2016 or in the timeline in the picture 2014.

Your guess is as good as mine. The seals idea popped into my head an hour ago when I took the garbage out. Your thoughts?
Also consider when the child isn't born on teh same day the mother is impregnated. That likely adds some extra time.
Revelation can be seen as period of birth pains....?

Exodus 22 shows that all sin is reckoned as debt. To be forgiven the debt has to be paid.
Justice demands that the thief pays back in twofold  to fivefold depending on the situation.
The thief is redeemed if the payment is made. It should be noted that a judge doesn't have the right to give a higher or lower sentence that exodus 22 specifies. The thief and victim can agree lawful different arrangements.

In Exodus 22:3 we read that a thief who can't pay his debt will be sold (as a slave).
From that moment the thief is redeemed by his redeemer the slave owner. Now the slave owner = redeemer has to pay the debt to the victim. (Jesus is a Redeemer)

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The rules for calculating a debt.

- Ordinary theft: Twice the amount stolen
- Items that can't be returned intact and/or in full: Four times the amount.
- Stealing tools of someones trade: Fivefold debt.
The debt is determined according to how
much the sinner stole, multiplied by two, unless the stolen item cannot be returned intact and in
full. In such cases, the restitution is doubled to four times the amount stolen. And if the sinner
steals the tools of a man's trade (an "ox" in Ex. 22:1), the restitution is calculated as five times the
amount stolen.

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Adam (mankind) sinned but couldn't pay his debt; so he was sold as slave to work. His owner was.....
^EBRGenesis 3
17 And, to the man, he said, Because thou didst hearken to the voice of thy wife, and so didst eat of the tree as to which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it, Accursed be the ground for thy sake, In pain, shalt thou eat of it, all the days of thy life;
18 Thorn also and thistle, shall it shoot forth to thee,––when thou hast come to eat of the herb of the field:
19 In the sweat of thy face, shalt thou eat bread, until thou return to the ground, because, therefrom, wast thou taken,––For, dust, thou art, And, unto dust, shalt thou return.
.... earth!
Also note the earth was cursed for the benefit of Adam. Slave master earth wanted to get rid  of the thorns and thistles and hired Adam to do so. That way Adam paid his debt.

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Then, coming near, Peter said [to him]––Lord! how many times, shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until, seven, times? (Matthew 18:21)
Jesus saith to him––I say not unto thee, unto, seven, times, but, until seventy times seven. (Matthew 18:22)

Seven times seventy = 490 = 10 x 49 = 10 Jubilees. God's grace period is 490 years.
Seven times seven = 49 = 7 Sabbath years.

Seventy weeks, have been divided concerning thy people and concerning thy holy city––to put an end to the transgression, and fill up the measure of sin, and put a propitiatory–covering over iniquity, and bring in the righteousness of ages, and affix a seal the vision and prophecy, and anoint the holy of holies. (Daniel 9:24)
===> The people got 70 weeks = 70x7 = 490 year grace period to stop sinning. If not God collects the debt.
===> The famous 70 weeks.

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There are 3 Sabbaths in the law.
Sabbath day: Every 7th day of the week man and animal got a day of rest.
Sabbath year: Every 7th year man and animal got a year of rest. Slaves were sent on a holiday home. They didn't works so they didn't pay off debts that year.
Jubilee rest: Every 50th year animals get rest. All debt is totally canceled. So the slaves are set free.

The Jews made sacrifices for their sins in the Temple. The priests spilled some blood under the altar and covered it with dust.
The sins were not yet forgiven then. They were basically stored under the altar. Once a year on atonement day the High Priest made a sacrifice and the blood was sprinkled on the Ark in the Holy of Holies. At that time all sins (under the altar) were forgiven.
The point is that God forgives once a year. Her forgives 70x7=490 years.

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The 490 years is for nations that try to be a good servant.
But what if the nation doesn't serve well?
See the next post...

This is about as symbolic as it gets. You'r now on my "hit list" ww.... :laughing7: -- :mshock:

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 12, 2011, 04:20:43 PM
When does the (Sabbath/Jubilee) year start? Answer: Fall and spring. :umnick:

As you will see in this post the start of the year has changed since creation. One of the reasons is honor.thanks to God for leading the people to the promised land. I'm sure that change has a even bigger symbolic meaning. A meaning I unfortunately have no idea about. Yet...

A thought.
Adam was born on 1 Tishri. (very) likely a Jubilee year.
Everything was good and happy. Nice earth. No sin. No sickness. Stricktly speaking there was no Jubilee or or other festivals.
It's mainly Exodus and Leviticus that introduces them.
When Adam sinned he became a slave. He went into bondage. In a way he went to Egypt.
IMO God doesn't really care about the order or numbers of the months. For Him it's all about the (harvest) festivals. It's because the harvests are in certain months He changed the numbering. He could just as well saind that the year starts in the month of the barley harvest (first fruits).
The change was one of the first steps of revealing his plan of salvation. Before the Jews left Egypt they had their very first passover feast.
So God just aligned the months/festivals with His paln of salvation.
:dontknow:

Quote from: thinktank on May 12, 2011, 09:49:51 PM
This is about as symbolic as it gets. You'r now on my "hit list" ww.... :laughing7: -- :mshock:

Yer on my too  :punish:
:icon_jokercolor:

All of these Feasts, Jubilees, and Sabbaths, has to fit in somewhere with the plan of God. They are all a shadow of things that have been and things to come. If these things could be figured out, you could very well end up with the year of the end of things as we know it now. 

Jesus told his disciples that no one knew the day or the hour that he would return but he also told them that they would know when it was near even at the doors. Of course he was referring to that time but... Since all of the happenings of the Bible fall on Sabbaths, Jubilees, or Feasts, we can be sure that Jesus return will be on one or all of them. Like...the Day of Trumpets...Jubilee year...Feast of Tabernacles.

WhiteWings, I have really enjoyed reading about these Jubilees, it is really fascinating how these things relate to prophecies.

CHB

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Quote from: CHB on May 13, 2011, 01:08:16 AM
All of these Feasts, Jubilees, and Sabbaths, has to fit in somewhere with the plan of God. They are all a shadow of things that have been and things to come. If these things could be figured out, you could very well end up with the year of the end of things as we know it now. 

Jesus told his disciples that no one knew the day or the hour that he would return but he also told them that they would know when it was near even at the doors. Of course he was referring to that time but... Since all of the happenings of the Bible fall on Sabbaths, Jubilees, or Feasts, we can be sure that Jesus return will be on one or all of them. Like...the Day of Trumpets...Jubilee year...Feast of Tabernacles.

WhiteWings, I have really enjoyed reading about these Jubilees, it is really fascinating how these things relate to prophecies.

CHB

Good you liked it. My way of studying is and always has been making summaries. About every book I own is full of highlights and notes.
This time I decided to use this forum as a notepad (because the forum needs much more activity)
Basically I'm reading 2(3) books at the same time. Cross-referencing them and add some bits Mr Goggle revealed to me. The summary of that I write down here. If something isn't clear just ask. (speaking  here as a student not as a teacher) Sometimes I have to edit losts of stuff in my messages because due to typos I don't understand what I wrote an hour ago :winkgrin:
Ok, time to start today's job. Summarize another 100 pages :bgdance:

The author of one of the books I'm reading uses a few self invented namess for time periods.
Blessed time = 490 years --> 10 x 49 --> 10 Jubilees --> 70 weeks
Cursed time = 414 years --> 414+76=490  ==> 76 is the number of cleansing for nations.
Judged time = 434 years --> 62 x7 --> 62 weeks  


God is love; so His standard time is love/Blessed time.
All other time is shortened for the benefit of makind.
Blessing is obvious for the benefit of mankind too.

Years are always nation related. On a personal level the patterns could play out in 490/434/414 days.

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^EBRMatthew 18
21 Then, coming near, Peter said [to him]––Lord! how many times, shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until, seven, times?
22 Jesus saith to him––I say not unto thee, unto, seven, times, but, until seventy times seven.
23 For this cause, hath the kingdom of the heavens become like unto a man, a king, who wished to settle an account with his servants;
24 And, when he, began, to settle, there was brought unto him a, certain, debtor, of a thousand talents;
25 and, he, not having, wherewith to pay, the master ordered him to be sold, and the wife, and the children, and whatsoever he had,––and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore, falling down, began to do homage unto him, saying––Have patience with me, and, all, will I pay thee.
27 And, moved with compassion, the master of that servant released him, and, the loan, he, forgave, him.
28 But that servant, going out, found one of his fellow–servants, who owed him, a hundred denaries, and, laying hold of him, he began seizing him by the throat, saying, Pay! if anything thou owest.
29 His fellow servant, therefore, falling down, began beseeching him, saying, Have patience with me! And I will pay thee.
30 He, however, would not, but went away and cast him into prison,––until he should pay what was owing.
31 His fellow–servants, therefore, seeing, the things that were done, were grieved exceedingly,––and went and made quite plain to their master all the things which had been done.
32 Then, calling him near, his master saith unto him––O wicked servant! All that debt, forgave I thee, because thou didst beseech me.
33 Was it not binding, upon thee also, to have mercy upon thy fellow–servant, as, I also, on thee, had mercy?
34 And, provoked to anger, his master delivered him up to the torturers, until he should pay all that was owing.
35 Thus, my heavenly Father also, will do unto you, if ye forgive not each one his brother (trespasses), from your hearts.

In verse 27 the slave was forgivven. But in verse 34 the slave is in debt because he angered his master by not forgivving others.

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But there is more in this parable about God and mankind.
In verse 22 Jesus mentions 70x7=490. On a personal level the 490 is not years but days.
The 10000 is about lots of sin. Not money. (God doesn't need money)
So we have  490 days of grace/blessed time to pay for the sin. After that God collects the (remaining) debt (the hard way).

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Daniel's 70 weeks are about the times God forgives. (times = years/days)
The 70 weeks of Daniel are 490 years of blessed time.
But Daniel also mentions 62 weeks/434 years of Judged time.

600BC Jerusalem was plunged into sin and God's "Blessed Time" ran out. God sent the Babylonian army to collect the debt.

Just like the servant in Jesus parable Jerusalem begged for mercy and got it.
But the mercy was conditional; they needed to release their servants (cancel their debts)
They did what God ordered and received their Jubilee (God cancelled their debts)....
^EBRJeremiah 34
8 The word which came unto Jeremiah, from Yahweh,––after that King Zedekiah had solemnised a covenant with all the people who were in Jerusalem, proclaiming unto them, liberty:
9 that every man should let his servant and every man his handmaid, being a Hebrew or a Hebrewess, go free,––so that no man should use them as slaves, to wit a Jew his brother;
10 so then they hearkened––even all the princes and all the people who had entered into the covenant, that every man should let his servant and every man his handmaid, go free, so as not to use them as slaves, any longer,––yea they hearkened, and let them go,

But once God got rid of the Babylonian army they captured the slaves again.

11 howbeit they turned, after that, and brought back the servants and the handmaids whom they had let go, free, and brought them into subjection as servants and as handmaids.

Just like in Jesus' parable God canceled His grace/Jubilee and sold the Jews into bondage for 70 years.
The 70 years the Jews (still) owned God.

Why 70 years? For what reason? I hope to make it clear in one of the following messages....

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Sorry this becomes a numbers game as thread progresses. God just likes math. His law, grace and justice are all based on those numbers. I just could post a handfull of statements but nobody would really believe it because no proof is given. Unfortunately the proof lays in (dull) math and history.
But imo once the God's math is understood other things make more sense too.
I just don't see a way to present proof without some math....

After 2 years in the desert the people should have entered the promised land. Instead of they sent spies that looked around for 40 days in the promised land. They didn't enter the land because they feared they could not beat the army of those who lived there. They disobeyed God's command by not entering the land. God punished them for that by letting them wander in the desert for 40 years. A year for each day they spied the land. So that's 40-2=38 year extra.
^EBRDeuteronomy 2
14 Now, the days in which we journeyed from Kadesh–barnea, as far as where we crossed the ravine of Zered, were thirty–eight  years,––until all the generation of the men of war were consumed, out of the midst of the camp, as Yahweh had sworn unto them.
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6029/israeljudged.gif)
As the picture shows two 434 year clocks of judged time started ticking.
During this time they didn't kept Sabbath and Jubilee years.
434/7=62 Sabbath years
434/49=8 Jubilee years.
They owned God 62+8=70 years of rest. Now it was time for God to collect the debt. But God had small problem:

^EBRExodus 30
12 When thou takest the sum of the sons of Israel, by their numberings, then shall they give, every man a propitiatory–covering for his soul to Yahweh, when they are numbered,––that there may be among them no plague, when they are numbered.
13 This, shall they give––every one that passeth over to them that have been numbered––a half–shekel, by the shekel of the sanctuary,––the shekel is, twenty gerahs––the half–shekel, shall be a heave–offering to Yahweh.

At the census of Moses they payed God protection money. God was bound by this agreement so couldn't lawfully punish the people. So He let David take another census. David made a mistake; he just started counting without collecting half a shekel for each person above 20 years old (verse 14).
As verse 12 shows taking a census without collecting the shekels gives God the right to send a plague.
^EBR2 Samuel 24
15 So Yahweh sent forth a pestilence throughout Israel, from the morning even unto the time appointed,––and there died of the people, from Dan even unto Beer–sheba, seventy thousand men.

Israel payed it's debt by 1000 lives for each year the land didn't rest.

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The debts where paid now. Just like on a Jubilee everyone starts with a clean slate.
But because they weren't on Blessed Time but Judged time because their disobedience debts were collected.

What about the 434 years that leads to Saul? That's a bit more complicated....
(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/3741/timeofsaulamalek.gif)
When Israel came out of Egypt they where attacked by Amalek. (Exodus 17:11-16)
38 years later Moses held a speech about Amalek. (Deuteronomy 25:17-19)
God put Amalek on Cursed Time. (414 years) If the nation repents they escape the cursed time. They didn't repent... So God ordered Saul to kill Agag the king of the Amalekites.

^EBR1 Samuel 15
3 Now, go and smite Amalek, and devote ye to destruction all that he hath, and spare him not,––but thou shalt slay both man and woman, both child and suckling, both ox and sheep, both camel and ass.
....
9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep and the oxen and the lambs, also the fatlings, and all that was good, and would not devote them to destruction,––but, all the cattle that was contemptible and diseased, that, devoted they to destruction.

Earlier in this thread I wrote that debts should be payed one way or another. If somebody else took care of the debt that was fine too. Agag had a debt to pay. The debt was his life. Saul spared Agag's life. That way Saul became Agag's redeemer and the debt was transfered to Saul. God collects His debts one way or another.

See also this verse where debt is transfered:
^EBR1 Kings 20
42 And he said unto him––Thus, saith Yahweh, Because thou (king Ahab) hast let go the man whom I had devoted, out of thy hand, therefore shall, thy life, be instead of, his life, and, thy people, instead of, his people.

So Saul had to die. Somehow not right away but 22 years later when he consulted the witch of Endor. At that moment Samuel told Saul he would die the next day for his disobedience. (1 Sam. 28:18). The next day he committed suicide after he lost a battle with the Philistines. That was 22 years after he should have killed Agag. King Ahab also died in his 22nd year. Both disobeyed. Both died in the 22nd year.
Judged Time - Cursed Time = 434-414=22. Why?
As I wrote Agag should have died; Saul spared him so the death penalty was transfered to Saul. But when Samuel found out Saul spared Agag:
^EBR1 Samuel 15
33 And Samuel said, As women have been made childless by thy sword, So, childless among women, shall be, thine own mother. And Samuel cut Agag asunder before Yahweh, in Gilgal.

So Agag was executed on the correct date after all. When Saul spared Agag he basically stepped in the 414 years of cursed time that where very close to expiring. When Samuel killed Agag Saul was transfered to the Judged Time. That gave him an extra 22 years. Judged time comes into effect when God's orders are carried out but to late.

So debts are always collected on time. One way or another.

The story of Saul does not end here.
As explained in the previous post Saul died on Judged time. 434 years after Israel refused (12 spies) to enter Canaan. That score was settled when Saul died. But less than a day before he died he consulted a witch.

^EBRDeuteronomy 18
11 Or who bindeth with spells,––Or who asketh of a familiar spirit or an oracle, Or who seeketh unto the dead.
12 For, an abomination unto Yahweh, is everyone who doeth these things,––and, on account of these abominations, is Yahweh thy God dispossessing them from before thee.

The penalty is exile or death. Saul died the next day. Case closed? Nope. Saul was a king. Kings represent a whole nation. A day before Saul dies he puts his nation on a 414 year Cursed Time. 414 years later king king Jehoiachin pays the price by being deported. (597BC) (representing the whole nation)
--> 666 year later the Temple was destroyed (70AD)

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Joseph was sold as a slave to Egypt in the year 2217AA (After Adam). Israel went to Egypt 2238AA. In 2448AA Exodus begun.
1 Chron. 5:1-2 tells us that Joseph had the birth right (to become king). So he represents the nation.
That means Israel was in Egypt for 2448-2217=231 year.
231/7=33 Sabbath years they were not allowed to keep.
231/49=4 Sabbath years they were not allowed to keep.

So they owned God 37 years of rest. But because they were slaves their debt was transferred to their owner. Egypt.

King Jehoiachin spend 37 years in prison and paid that debt.

1] Israel was enslaved for 231 years and owns God a 37 year debt for not keeping the rest
2] Egypt owned the Israelites so teh debt is transferred to them
3] Solomon married the daughter of the Pharaoh. (1 Kings 7:8) -> A royal woman represents the nation.
4] At marriage the debt of a woman is transferred to the man. So now Solomon had the 37 year debt.
5] The debt transferred to Solomon's descendant king Jehoiachin.
6] Jehoiachin paid the 37 year debt of rest by being in prison for 37 years.
7] Jehoiachin also paid the debt for Saul's consulting a witch by being deported/exiled.

Jehoiachin was 37 years in prison during the 70 year captivity of Judah in Babylon. 37x70=2590 years.
That's 1994 AD.
At the end of that 37th cycle (Nov. 21-29, 1993) this long-term Babylonian captivity began to come to an end. At that time, a group representing the Overcomers was led specifically to declare an end to Babylon's rule. It was called the "Jubilee Prayer Campaign." We then saw a lunar eclipse the night of Nov. 28/29, a sign of Babylon's power eclipsed.

Quote from: Cardinal on May 12, 2011, 01:08:43 AM
:cloud9: WOW......that was good.......and God. In the fall of '93, on my way back from a meeting in Niagara Falls, the Lord spoke to me at midnight, saying, "The priesthood is changing." I knew it signalled an end of something and the beginning of something new, a sort of "changing of the guard". Things have escalated in the Spirit every since, though our natural eyes might not perceive it, as He completes His plan of the ages. Blessings.....

At that time, a group
representing the Overcomers was led specifically to declare an end to Babylon's rule. It was called
the "Jubilee Prayer Campaign." We then saw a lunar eclipse the night of Nov. 28/29, a sign of
Babylon's power eclipsed.
The Jubilee Prayer Campaign brought Mystery Babylon to the divine court, where the
Overcomers appealed to God to end the earth's captivity. We understood this to be like the battle
of Jericho, which took seven days to overthrow. The people marched, and the priests blew rams'
horns until the city was taken on the seventh day. The Hebrew word translated "rams' horns" in
Joshua 6: 4, 5, 6, 8, and 13 is yobel, or "Jubilee." That is, the priests were, literally speaking,
blowing the Jubilee for those seven days of battle. The inhabitants of Jericho no doubt laughed at
the Israelites, for this was no way to lay siege to a city. They did not know that Israel was
conducting spiritual warfare. In the same manner, the Jubilee Prayer Campaign was actually
designed to be a seven-year campaign of spiritual warfare, leading to the end of the year 2000.
As for the results of this long prayer campaign, we leave this in the hands of God, who
alone knows the end from the beginning. If we assume precise timing, the seven years is
completed on November 29, 2000 A.D. The next day, November 30, is the precise end of the
seven years and six months transition from Saul to David (2 Samuel 5:5). Because Saul was
crowned on the day of wheat harvest, i.e., Pentecost (1 Samuel 12:17), he was a type of the
Church under Pentecost, while David was the Overcomer who received the promise of the
enduring dynasty to rule God's Kingdom. For this reason, these dates should be watched.

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 13, 2011, 09:08:25 AM

Quote from: CHB on May 13, 2011, 01:08:16 AM
All of these Feasts, Jubilees, and Sabbaths, has to fit in somewhere with the plan of God. They are all a shadow of things that have been and things to come. If these things could be figured out, you could very well end up with the year of the end of things as we know it now. 

Jesus told his disciples that no one knew the day or the hour that he would return but he also told them that they would know when it was near even at the doors. Of course he was referring to that time but... Since all of the happenings of the Bible fall on Sabbaths, Jubilees, or Feasts, we can be sure that Jesus return will be on one or all of them. Like...the Day of Trumpets...Jubilee year...Feast of Tabernacles.

WhiteWings, I have really enjoyed reading about these Jubilees, it is really fascinating how these things relate to prophecies.

CHB

Good you liked it. My way of studying is and always has been making summaries. About every book I own is full of highlights and notes.
This time I decided to use this forum as a notepad (because the forum needs much more activity)
Basically I'm reading 2(3) books at the same time. Cross-referencing them and add some bits Mr Goggle revealed to me. The summary of that I write down here. If something isn't clear just ask. (speaking  here as a student not as a teacher) Sometimes I have to edit losts of stuff in my messages because due to typos I don't understand what I wrote an hour ago :winkgrin:
Ok, time to start today's job. Summarize another 100 pages :bgdance:

:thumbsup:

I pray that the Lord allows me to be here on this forum when the Holy Spirit illuminates WW with a hallelujah whoopie and glory!  :grin:

Yeah that would be a great day, the angels sing over even one "unbeliever" that turns to Jesus.

The flesh is willing but the spirit is not   :happy3:

5 minutes ago a dove descended on me  :winkgrin:
Well my desk that is.
While preparing the next post in this thread a young pigeon kept flying to my window. I open end the window and went outside to look.
The pigeon got scared and flew inside and sat on my desk.
Maybe my desk is blessed now?
:angelharp:

Yes I believe so, you said it was a pigeon and dove, well your blessed cause it could have been a raven with an upset stomach! :laughing7:

The last day of my summary. Today I many gonna add some little bits of info based on the things shown in previous posts. Also a few (unrelated) things that might be nice to know.

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120 = Outporing of the HS
120 = Number of priests blowing trumpets at the dedication of Solomon's Temple.
120 = Number od diciples in the upper room when the HS got poured out.
120 = Number of Jubilees set aside for mankind.
120 thousand sheep were offered on the dedication of Solomon's Temple.
120 = lifespan of Moses
120 = number of Jubilees beefore HS floods teh planet

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Adam = ground
Seth = replace (he replaced Abel)
Enos means frail flesh or man
Cainan (not canaan) = (fixed) house. As opposite to a portable tent.
Mahalaleel = praise of God
Jared = decent
Enoch = teaching or initiation
Methuselah = when he is dead, it shall be sent (it=flood)
Lamech = powerful (one)
Noach = rest and comfort  (2 names)


Jasher 4:13-14,
And the wife of Lamech conceived and bare him a son at that time, at the revolution of the year.
14 And Methuselah called his name Noah, saying, The earth was in his days at rest and free from
corruption, and Lamech his father called his name Menachem, saying, This one shall comfort us
in our works and miserable toil in the earth, which God had cursed.

When we combine those names:
Earthly man was placed in frail flesh as his house; but the Praise of God
(Jesus) will descend to teach (or initiate something); when He is dead, it shall
be sent—the Powerful One, the Comforter.

And so we see that the names of the original patriarchs from Adam to Noah reveal the
entire Plan of God from beginning to end. It begins with man being placed in frail flesh, and it
ends with the redemption of the body by the full anointing of the Holy Spirit. The coming of the
Holy Spirit into men is, of course, in two stages. The disciples at Pentecost received the "earnest
of the Spirit" (2 Cor. 5:5), which is the "earnest of our inheritance" (Eph. 1:14). That is, it is a
down payment toward stage two, which is the full inheritance yet to come at the Feast of
Tabernacles of some year.

KJV And the Lord said, My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he
also is flesh; yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

CLV And saying is Ieue Alueim [Yahweh Elohim], Not abide shall My Spirit in the
human for the eon, in that more-over he is flesh. And come shall his days to
be a hundred and twenty years.

In plainer English, it tells us that God's Spirit would not abide (remain) in
man "for the eon" (or age). In other words, God was telling Noah that He would soon remove
His Spirit from man for the duration of the age.

And behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all
flesh wherein is the breath [Hebrew, ruach, "spirit or breath"] of life...

In other words, God was going to remove His Spirit from all breathing creatures, particularly
man. This Hebrew play on words is significant, because it portrays a twofold level in which God
was dealing with Creation. On the physical level, God was going to remove the ruach-breath from
all flesh. On the spiritual level, God was going to remove His ruach-Spirit "for the age."

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This set up the need for the return of the Holy Spirit at the end of the age. Jesus came at
the end of that age, and His Work prepared the way for the coming of the Holy Spirit at
Pentecost. But since Pentecost was only the down payment of the Spirit, there was yet to be a
greater outpouring at the end of this present age. Its timing is prophesied as well in Genesis 6:3,
"and come shall his days to be a hundred and twenty years."


Most people think this means that God was going to shorten men's lifespan to 120 years.
But this is not really the force of the statement. Bullinger and other commentators agree that this
means man's time of grace was to be 120 years. In other words, the Flood was to come after 120
years of opportunity to repent. Jasher 5:8,11 affirms this,

For thus saith the Lord, Behold I give you a period of one hundred and twenty years; if you will
turn to me and forsake your evil ways, then will I also turn away from the evil which I told you,
and it shall not exist, saith the Lord....11 And the Lord granted them a period of one hundred and
twenty years, saying, If they will return, then will God repent of the evil, so as not to destroy the
earth.

This is a very important detail, because God was not only talking about the Flood of water
in Noah's day; He was also talking about a much greater Flood— a Flood of the Holy Spirit. The
Flood of water occurred after 120 years; the greater Flood is connected to the 120th Jubilee(1986 A.D.).

God gave 120 years to repent and then sent the flood.
Assuming it's truely a dual prophesy that also means 120 Jubilees; 5880 years, then the question is when that counter starts.
At creation or at the speaking of the verse?
Adam is dated at 3895 BC --> 1984
The verse is dated 2359 BC  --> 3522 AD
The flood is dated at 1656 BC --> 4225 AD

Also, if the spirit was removed during teh flood that same spirit did a lousy job keeping people on the narrow path the previous 1656 years....

The question is what the above dates are about?
Before the flood God gave a warning. He didn't just state teh flood would come in 120 years. He added a condition.
If the sinning continues.
- If Adam never had sinned humanity never would have left teh garden
- If pre-flood people would have repended the flood would never have occured.
- If teh Jews would have entered the promised land after 2 year sin the desert they would have to wander an adittional 38 years and would have been in back in paradise for ever.

So God only gave deadlines. He gave no minimum times. Only maximum times He stricktly enforces.

In order to move from Cursed Time (414-year cycles) to Blessed Time (490-year cycles),
we must simply add 76 years. This is the factor of cleansing. In this way a nation on Cursed Time
may be cleansed and brought into Blessed Time (414 + 76 = 490). To get from Highway 414 to
Highway 490, one must go on Route 76.
This is why Daniel's 490 years (70 weeks of years) could not begin immediately with the
edict of Cyrus. It took 76 years before the priest could come to pronounce the nation clean.

Matthew wrote about 14 generations in the genealogy. Mark wrote about 10.

Ahaziah 2 Kings 8:26 1 year
Athaliah (queen) 2 Kings 11:1-3 6 years
Jehoash 2 Kings 12:1 40 years
Amaziah 2 Kings 14:2 29 years
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76 years

76 years blotted out of history because serving a false god.
2 Chronicles 24:7,
7 For the sons of Athaliah, that wicked woman, had broken up the house of
God; and also all the dedicated things of the house of the Lord did they
bestow upon Baalim.

They are blotted out of the Book of Life.

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 14, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
5 minutes ago a dove decended on me  :winkgrin:
Well my desk that is.
While preparing the next post in this thread a young pigeon kept flying to my window. I openend the window and went outside to look.
The pigeon got scared and flew inside and sat on my desk.
Maybe my desk is blessed now?
:angelharp:

Are you being serious?  That's a wonderful sign.  The doves came to me in my year of turning, and they have been coming every year since then. 

From what you say, it sounds like May 21 is the wrong season for rapture?  It would have to happen at tabernacles?  Or, perhaps we'll see something else equally earth-shattering?  Is May 21 possibly Pentecost?  Maybe it will be the pouring of the HS on the last of the elect?

Genesis 8:8
Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;

I'll keep this brief and skip the massive amount of proof that dates events.
I'm aware not all (including me) are sure the dates i'll mention but just forgive me for that.... :winkgrin:
It's the unusual interpretation I want show instead of the exact dates.


(1) Seven Weeks 458 B.C. - 409 B.C.
(2) Sixty-Two Weeks 409 B.C. - 26 A.D.
(3) One Week 26 A.D. - 33 A.D.


It's clear Jesus is cut off after 62 weeks. But how long after? Halfway. 3.5 years.
Sabbath/Jubilee cycles are of extreme importance so it's not hard to imagine that His minitry is in sync with those cycles.
It was 80 Jubilees after creation. I think most can agree sofar.
But Jesus wasn't cut of at crucifixion but at His baptism  during the Day of Atonement.

Jesus was basicly sacrificed 2 times. Once as a Lamb on the cross. Once as a goat at baptism.
Leviticus 16 teachers about goat sacrifices.
Jesus was both goats. Jesus presented Himself (who God considred High Priest) John the Baptist.
Jesus-goat-1 died during baptism in His water grave (Romans 6:4)
---> Jesus died. Jesus was cut of.

^EBRLeviticus 16
21 And Aaron shall lean his two hands, upon the head of the living goat, and confess over him, all the iniquities of the sons of Israel, and all their transgressions, to the extent of all their sins,––and shall put them upon the head of the goat, and then send him away, by the hand of a man appointed towards the desert:

All sins were cast on Jesus-goat-2 and He was led into the wilderness by a fit man called Holy Spirit.

I'm starting to wonder what the use of the Lamb sacrifice (cross was). Afterall the perfect goat has carried away all sins.
Hebrews 9:12-14 says,
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood He entered
in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For
if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the
unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh; 14 How much more shall the
blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot
to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

I knew about the goat sacrifices. I also knew baptism represents the grave.
But I totally failed to connect is with His baptism.
Raise hands who overlooked it too.
Come on. Don't be shy.
:myahoo: :egyptdance: :Egyptdance2: :boogie: :boydance:

 :bigGrin:

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

--Mat 3

Quote from: Molly on May 14, 2011, 02:43:41 PMFrom what you say, it sounds like May 21 is the wrong season for rapture?  It would have to happen at tabernacles?  Or, perhaps we'll see something else equally earth-shattering?  Is May 21 possibly Pentecost?  Maybe it will be the pouring of the HS on the last of the elect?

21st may of what year? Can't remember my head is a bit clouded.
Anyway Pentecost is the only God appointed feast in May.
There are minor days like feast of trees, soldiers day etc. But they seem not very relevant.

Pentecost was 50 days after resurrection. A Jubilee of days....
Thinking out loud if 1986 is resurrection day Pentecost will be 1986+50=2036

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 14, 2011, 03:03:09 PM

Quote from: Molly on May 14, 2011, 02:43:41 PMFrom what you say, it sounds like May 21 is the wrong season for rapture?  It would have to happen at tabernacles?  Or, perhaps we'll see something else equally earth-shattering?  Is May 21 possibly Pentecost?  Maybe it will be the pouring of the HS on the last of the elect?

21st may of what year? Can't remember my head is a bit clouded.
Anyway Pentecost is the only God appointed feast in May.
There are minor days like feast of trees, soldiers day etc. But they seem not very relevant.

Pentecost was 50 days after resurrection. A Jubilee of days....
Thinking out loud if 1986 is resurrection day Pentecost will be 1986+50=2036

May 21, 2011. lol  There are billboards all over the country saying that is the day when judgment begins.  He thinks the church will be raptured that day and then judgment will happen for everyone else until October, 2011.  But it seems like it's the wrong season for rapture.  But it is the right season for the HS.  So maybe the last of the church will be sealed on that date?




1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

--Rev 7

Quote from: Molly on May 14, 2011, 03:22:13 PM

Quote from: WhiteWings on May 14, 2011, 03:03:09 PM

Quote from: Molly on May 14, 2011, 02:43:41 PMFrom what you say, it sounds like May 21 is the wrong season for rapture?  It would have to happen at tabernacles?  Or, perhaps we'll see something else equally earth-shattering?  Is May 21 possibly Pentecost?  Maybe it will be the pouring of the HS on the last of the elect?

21st may of what year? Can't remember my head is a bit clouded.
Anyway Pentecost is the only God appointed feast in May.
There are minor days like feast of trees, soldiers day etc. But they seem not very relevant.

Pentecost was 50 days after resurrection. A Jubilee of days....
Thinking out loud if 1986 is resurrection day Pentecost will be 1986+50=2036

May 21, 2011. lol  There are billboards all over the country saying that is the day when judgment begins.

:winkgrin:
Pentecost is 5/6 June 2011.

QuoteHe thinks the church will be raptured that day and then judgment will happen for everyone else until October, 2011.  But it seems like it's the wrong season for rapture.  But it is the right season for the HS.  So maybe the last of the church will be sealed on that date?

Things often are not instantly.
Permission was given to rebuilt Jerusalem but it took another 76 years of cleansing before Ezra began to go to Jerusalem.
When the Jews left Egypt they began to go to the promised land.
All positive events that took a while to complete.

What for example a 76 month cleansing follows? That would be at least 6.3 years.
Ask Cardinal because she's in part of the Jubilee Prayer Committee  :winkgrin:

Quote2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Another begun to....
7 seals. 7 trumpets. 7 bowls.
The seals weren't opened all at the same time. Small steps each time.
What if there are still 7 time frames as shown are in progress. Each one that ends is  a seal broken.

Quote3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

--Rev 7

I am thinking this sealing refers to God's protection for his church.  It's similar to the mark on the forehead given to those before the city was destroyed in Ezekiel.

Read my lips:  I'm not waiting until 2036. :winkgrin:



4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

--Eze 9

Quote from: Molly on May 14, 2011, 03:56:29 PMRead my lips:  I'm not waiting until 2036. :winkgrin:

Read my lips. No new taxes!
(just double the old ones)
Nuff said...

Jesus ascended into heaven 40 days after Easter, so there is a precedent for that sort of thing happening in this season...

 :cloud9: Have to run, but looking forward to reading thru this when I'm not at work (which lately, is most of the time)  :laughing7:

Again note that the dates without BC are dates from creation.

(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4376/babylon414.gif)

Soon after entering the promised land Israel fell into sin. Long story but the gist of it is that God sentenced them for theft (of not giving God what belongs to God).
They couldn't pay their debt so God 'sold' them to their slave master Babylon.
They stayed there for 8 regularly years which ended exactly on the first Jubilee (50 years) after entering  the promised land.
But God also sentenced them to 8 Cursed Time periods. 8x414 years. That time ended in 1948 AD when the Jews got the country they live in right now. 1948 = 472 Jubilees after their first Jubilee in the promised land.
Babylon itself is long gone but it's evil ways kept ruling until 1948 AD.
When Babylon could pay their debt after 2x414 year God sold them to mede-persia. None payed the debt. It kept being passed on toward 1948.
Roman church recognized the Jewish state in 1993. 46 years  after the new state Israel was founded.
^EBRJohn 2
20 The Jews, therefore, said––In forty and six years, was this shrine built. And, thou, in three days, wilt raise it!
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On mount Sinai was the first Pentecost ever. And the people ran away from it....
^EBRExodus 20
18 And, all the people, were witnessing the voices and the torches, and the sound of the horn, and the mountain, smoking,––so then the people were struck with awe and shrank back, and stood afar off.

The next Pentecost is found in the NT. Good as it is, it is not enough to bring us to Perfection, because it is a leavened feast. Leviticus 23:17 tells us that the Pentecostal first fruits offering was to be two loaves of bread baked with leaven. The history of the Church during the Age of Pentecost certainly proves this inadequacy.
The age of Pentecost lasted 40 Jubilees and ended in 1993 AD. In 1993 we entered a transition period toward the feast of Tabernacles (September)
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The debt still hasn't be payed!

Israel didn't have state for a very long time. They payed taxes is foreign countries. That made those countries the slave owners. That lifted the burden of debt of the shoulder of Israel because the debt was transfered to their 'owners'.
The last owner was Brittan. In 1947 they got there state. in 1948 the Brits left. The unpaid debt of 1365BC was back on with the Jews.
I hope God doesn't have a high interest rate :laughing7:
A friendly advise: Never lend money to a Jew. I could take ages 'till they pay back  :icon_king:
The question at hand is; how long will God give the Jews to pay their debt?
As you should know by now even the summary will be long winded and I see no way right now to put it into a decent summary. Sorry....
But the gist of it is that the lost tribes live (mostly) in Europe.
Britain-Jacob had sold the birthright to the Jews of Esau in November of 1947. (that's what the trouble of Jacob is about)
The Jews had 46 years to "rebuild Herod's Temple". See previous post. That 46 years expired in 1993.
Needless to say the debt wasn't payed. God foreclosed the state Israel and sold it to the Overcomers.
^YLTMatthew 21
43 `Because of this I say to you, that the reign of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth its fruit;

The overcomers got 3 years to pay the debt (Jesus was 3 days in the grave)
So someone who felt he was one of the Overcomers that stood in God's court called for a prayer campaign.

In the summer of 1993, I was led to issue a call for the Jubilee Prayer Campaign to be held
November 21-29, 1993. This was the 46th anniversary of the United Nations debate leading up to
the Palestinian Resolution that ultimately handed control of Palestine from Jacob to Esau.

414 people answered. 414 is the number of Cursed Time. The national lottery in the state the prayer was in drew 490. Blessed Time.

Then God called for a second prayer campaign to be held January 27-30, 1994, called "His
Fullness Prayer Campaign." I was led to issue a second prayer call to see how many would be
added to the original 414 prayer warriors. Some dropped out, others were added, until it stopped
at precisely 490 prayer warriors.

The second prayer campaign was a time of prayer to receive the Fullness of His Spirit.
Counting 2 x 490 days from the end of His Fullness Prayer Campaign would bring us to the eighth
day of Tabernacles of 1996 (Oct. 5, 1996). Consequently, we understood that this second prayer
campaign served as a countdown toward the Jubilee and ultimately to the second work of Christ,
which we believe will be the next great move of God in the earth.
The midpoint of this time period fell on June 4, 1995—the Feast of Pentecost. On that
day, we were led to hold a one-day prayer campaign called "Occupy Till I Come." The purpose of
this prayer campaign was to occupy the gates, where the elders and judges of a city would sit in
ancient times. In other words, we accepted the authority that God would be giving to the
Overcomers at the appointed time "when I come."

Sadly here is where it ends. No patterns or dates given beyond 1996 :sigh:

May 21st is the day after May 20th and the day before May 22nd. To me its amazing that believers who are learning students of His Word, who study and know that people have been calculating the "time" for alot of years and aint none got it right. It just seems to me time could be better spent seeking the kingdom of God
Mat 6:33  but seek ye first the reign of God and His righteousness, and all these shall be added to you.
Mat 6:34  Be not therefore anxious for the morrow, for the morrow shall be anxious for its own things; sufficient for the day is the evil of it.

No offense but I can see and understand WW's quest about the secrets of time, he claims to be an athiest now having doubts about his belief. 1Co 1:22  Since also Jews ask a sign, and Greeks seek wisdom,.........I do not reason the wisdom mentioned here as The Wisdom of God, but mans intelligence which is not filled with a lot of Wisdom. Ive read many believers writings and they all start out with great insight and reveal many things the Bible teaches, but after a following starts, most of them end up trying to "calculate," and them followers are hanging around just waiting for the "time."

Act 1:7  and he said unto them, `It is not yours to know times or seasons that the Father did appoint in His own authority;

Peace and Love Through Jesus

About the dates; did you notice NO final date is given? The story ends in 1996.

Another thing to learn from all the posts is patterns.

Quote from: Cardinal on May 14, 2011, 05:46:32 PM
:cloud9: This site is like a buffet. Some people like fish, others prefer chicken.

BTW I don't understand: "It just seems to me time could be better spent seeking the kingdom of God"
How should that be done? Calculating numbers if obviously not seeking. Patterns aren't seeking either. Then what is?
Just trying to remember as much verses as possible?

This list may contain weird errors. Please report
All dates below BC.
First column are years after Adam.

3895 0     Adam sins; the ground is cursed Gen. 3:17
           Adam expelled from Eden Gen. 3:24
3765 130   Seth born to Adam, age 130 Gen. 5:3
3660 235   Enosh born to Seth, age 105 Gen. 5:6
3570 325   Cainan born to Enosh, age 90 Gen. 5:9
3530 365   Cainan begins to rule Adamites Jasher 2:11
3500 395   Mahalaleel born to Cainan, age 70 Gen. 5:12
3435 460   Jared born to Mahalaleel, age 65 Gen. 5:15
3273 622   Enoch born to Jared, age 162 Gen. 5:18
3208 687   Methuselah born to Enoch, age 65 Gen. 5:21
           Enoch begins to rule Adamites Jasher 3:12
3021 874   Lamech born to Methuselah, age 187 Gen. 5:25
2965 930   Adam dies, age 930 Gen. 5:5
2921 974   Naamah born to Enoch, age 352 Jasher 5:15-16
2908 987   Enoch "taken" by God, age 365 Gen. 5:23-24
2853 1042  Seth dies, age 912 Gen. 5:8
2839 1056  Noah born to Lamech, age 182 Gen. 5:28-29
2755 1140  Enosh dies, age 905 Gen. 5:11
2660 1235  Cainan dies, age 910 Gen. 5:14
2605 1290  Mahalaleel dies, age 895 Gen. 5:17
2473 1422  Jared dies, age 962 Gen. 5:20
2359 1536  God gives 120-year warning of Flood Gen. 6:3, Jasher 5:8-11
2341 1554  Noah, age 498, marries Naamah, age 580 Jasher 5:15-16
2339 1556  Noah's first son born when Noah was 500 Gen. 5:32
            Japheth born first Jasher 5:17
2338 1557  Ham born second Jasher 7:1
2337 1558  Shem born third Jasher 7:1
           Shem born when Noah was 502 Jasher 5:18
           Proven by Biblical data Gen. 11:10
2244 1651  Lamech dies, age 777 Gen. 5:31
           Noah, age 595, begins to build the Ark Jasher 5:34
2239 1656  Noah's sons marry Methuselah's granddaughters Jasher 5:35
           Methuselah dies, age 969 Gen. 5:27
           Flood begins; ground cursed after Gen. 7:11,
           4 x 414 years from Adam Secrets, 16
2238 1657  Flood ends; Noah leaves Ark Gen. 8:13
           Noah plants a vineyard Secrets, 47-48
2237 1658  Arphaxad born to Shem, age 100 Gen. 11:10
2235 1660  Noah drunk; Canaan cursed Gen. 9:20-27
2202 1693  Salah born to Arphaxad, age 35 Gen. 11:12
2172 1723  Eber born to Salah, age 30 Gen. 11:14
2138 1757  Peleg born to Eber, age 34 Gen. 11:16
2108 1787  Reu born to Peleg, age 30 Gen. 11:18
2076 1819  Serug born to Reu, age 32 Gen. 11:20
2046 1849  Nahor born to Serug, age 30 Gen. 11:22
2017 1878  Terah born to Nahor, age 29 Gen. 11:24
1987 1908  Nimrod born to Cush Jasher 7:23,27:15
1979 1916  Haran born to Terah, age 38 Jasher 7:22
1978 1917  Nahor born to Terah, age 39 Jasher 24:27
1967 1928  Nimrod given Adam's garments Jasher 7:29
1947 1948  Nimrod defeats Japheth in battle Jasher 7:34-37
           Shinar settled; Babylon built Jasher 7:34,43
           Terah, Nimrod's general, promoted Jasher 7:41
           Abram born to Terah, age 70 Jasher 7:51, Gen. 11:26
1939 1956  Lot born to Haran, age 40 Jasher 9:2
1938 1957  Milca born to Haran Jasher 9:3
1937 1958  Sarai born to Haran, age 42 Jasher 9:3-4
           Abram, age 10, goes to Noah's house Jasher 9:5
1900- 1995-
1899 1996  Tower of Babel destroyed Jasher 9:20-39
1899 1996  Peleg dies, age 239 Gen. 11:19
           The earth "divided" (by language) Jasher 10:6,
1 Chr. 1:19,Gen. 11:1-9
1898 1997  Nahor, father of Terah, dies, age 148 Gen. 11:25
Sodom, Gomorrah conquered by Elam Jasher 11:10
1897 1998  Abram, 50, returns to Terah from Noah Jasher 11:13
Abram and Haran cast into fiery furnace Jasher 12:23
           Haran dies, age 82 Jasher 12:26-37,Gen. 11:28
           Nimrod gives Eliezer to Abram Jasher 12:39
           Nahor marries Milca, Haran's daughter Gen. 11:29
           Abram marries Sarai, Haran's daughter Jasher 12:44
1895 2000  Terah and Abram move to land of Haran Jasher 13:1
1892 2003  Abram goes to Canaan Jasher 13:5,9
           This occurs 286.1 rest years from Adam
1889 2006  Noah dies, age 950 Gen. 9:29
1886 2009  First rest year after Abram moves to
           Canaan; Canaan's Time Debt begins Secrets, 52
1879 2016  Second rest year owed by Canaan Secrets, 52
1877 2018  Abrahamic Covenant instituted (430 years Gen. 15,
prior to Mosaic Covenant, Gal. 3:17) Jasher 13:17-19
Abram then returns to Haran for 5 years Jasher 13:20
1872 2023  Abram, age 75, returns to Canaan Gen. 12:1-4
Famine in Canaan; Abram goes to Egypt Gen. 12:9-10,
Jasher 15:1-2
           Pharaoh gives daughter to Sarai Jasher 15:31
           Lot moves to the plain of Sodom Gen. 13:11-12, Jasher 15:46
           Elamite war; Lot captured, freed by Abram Gen. 14
           Melchizedek (Shem) meets Abram Gen. 14:18-20,
Jasher 16:1-19
1869 2026  Reu dies, age 239 Gen. 11:21
1862 2033  Sarai gives Hagar to Abram, age 85 Gen. 16:3
1861 2034  Ishmael born to Abram and Hagar Gen. 16:16
           Egypt begins cursed time; 414 years later,
           Egypt judged (plagues & Red Sea) Secrets, 57-63
1848 2047  Abraham circumcised Gen. 17:1,11
           Sodom & Gomorrah destroyed by God Gen. 18-19,
           Dated 3 days after circumcision Jasher 18:1-4
           Abraham moves to Gerar Gen. 20:1
           Abimelech takes Sarai temporarily, Gen. 20, thinking she is Abraham's sister Jasher 20
1847 2048  Isaac born in Gerar to Abraham, age 100 Gen. 21:1-5
           400-year oppression of Abraham's seed Secrets, 21-22 begins (a "stranger") Gen. 15:13
1846 2049  Serug dies, age 230 Gen. 11:23
1842 2053  Ishmael, age 19, tries to kill Isaac, age 5 Jasher 21:13-14,Gen. 21:9 Ishmael and Hagar sent away Gen. 21:14,
Jasher 21:16
1822 2073  Abraham moves to Hebron and digs the well later called Beer-Sheba Gen. 21:22-31
1821 2074  Philistines steal Abraham's well; Abimelech Jasher 22:1-10,apologizes, covenants with Abraham Gen. 21:22-34
           Canaan's 1st period of Cursed Time (1660- 2074) ends with an extension of grace;
           Canaan given another 414 years to 2488 Secrets, 48-50
1816- 2079-
1815 2080  Rebecca born to Bethuel Jasher 24:40,45
1812 2083  Terah dies, age 205 Gen. 11:32
1810 2085  Abraham offers Isaac, 37, in sacrifice, but
           God provides lamb to take the curse Gen. 22:1-18
           9 x 414 years later = 1917 AD; Jerusalem freed by Allenby; curse removed again
           Sarah dies, age 127 Gen. 23:1
1808 2087  Lot dies, age 140 Jasher 24:22
1807 2088  Nahor, Abraham's brother dies, age 172 Jasher 24:27
           Eliezer sent to Haran to find wife for Isaac Gen. 24
           Isaac, age 40, marries Rebecca, age 10 Jasher 24:45
           Abraham marries Keturah Gen. 25:1, Jasher 25:1
1799 2096  Arphaxad dies, age 438 Gen. 11:13
1787 2108  Jacob and Esau born to Isaac, age 60 Gen. 25:26
1772- 2123 Esau, age 15, kills Nimrod, age 215 Jasher 27:7,15
1771 2124  Esau sells birthright to Jacob Gen. 25:29-34, Jasher 27:11-14
           414 years later, Othniel throws off yoke of Mesopotamia (Babylon) in 2537-2538
1770 2125  Famine; Isaac moves to Gerar Gen. 26:1-6
           Abimelech gives land to Isaac to sow until Gen. 26:12,famine ends. He receives 100-fold. Jasher 28:13-16
           (This was NOT a land-rest year.)
1769 2126  Isaac returns to Hebron (Beer-sheba) Gen. 26:23
           Jacob goes to Shem's house in Jerusalem Jasher 28:18
           Salah dies, age 433 Gen. 11:15
1747 2148  Esau, age 40, marries Judith Gen. 26:34
1737 2158  Shem dies, age 600 Gen. 11:11
           Jacob, age 50, returns to Isaac at Hebron Jasher 28:24
1731 2164  Leah and Rachel (twins) born to Laban Jasher 28:26-29
1724 2171  Isaac blesses Jacob, thinking it was Esau Gen. 27,Dated by Jasher Jasher 29:11
            Jacob flees, hides at Eber's house Jasher 29:11
           Esau marries Bosmath Jasher 29:12
1723 2172  Ishmael dies, age 137 Gen. 25:17
1722 2173  Eliphaz born to Esau and Bosmath Jasher 29:17
1710 2185  Jacob returns to Isaac's house Jasher 29:20
           Esau threatens Jacob Gen. 27:41
           Isaac sends Jacob, age 77, to Haran with Gen. 28:1-2, gifts to obtain a wife Jasher 29:30
           Eliphaz, age 13, robs Jacob Jasher 29:31-40
           Jacob begins serving Laban 7 yrs for Rachel Gen. 29:18-20
1708 2187  Eber dies, age 464 Gen. 11:17
1707 2188  Reuel born to Esau, age 80 Jasher 30:17
1706 2189  Beor born to Laban Jasher 30:18
1705 2190  Judith, Esau's wife, dies Jasher 30:21
1704 2191  Esau marries Aholibamah, moves to Seir Jasher 30:24-27
1703 2192  Jacob, 84, marries Leah and Rachel, age 28, Jabob's second 7-year servitude begins Gen. 29:21-30
           Reuben born to Leah Jasher 62:1
1702 2193  Simeon born to Leah Jasher 61:4
1701 2194  Levi born to Leah Jasher 63:1
1700 2195  Judah born to Leah Jasher 62:23
           Dan born to Bilhah, Rachel's maid Jasher 62:2
1699 2196  Gad born to Zilpah, Leah's maid Jasher 62:5
           Issachar born to Leah Jasher 62:3
1698 2197  Asher born to Zilpah Jasher 62:4
           Zebulun born to Leah Jasher 61:3
1697 2198  Naphtali born to Bilhah Jasher 62:24
           Dinah born to Leah Jasher 31:18
1696 2199  Joseph born to Rachel, age 35 Gen. 30:22-25,
           (Joseph was 39 when Jacob was 130) Gen. 47:9
1690 2205  Jacob leaves Haran Gen. 31:17-18
           Jacob's name changed to Israel Gen. 32:28
1689 2206  Jacob settles in Shechem Gen. 33:18-20
1688 2207  Dinah taken forcibly by Shechem Gen. 34:1-3
           Simeon, 14, and Levi, 13, destroy Shechem Gen. 34:25-27
1686 2209  Benjamin born to Rachel, 45, who dies Gen. 35:16-19
1683 2212  Rebecca dies, age 133 Jasher 36:6
1680 2215  Leah dies, age 51 Jasher 41:2
1679 2216  Joseph, age 17, sold by his brothers Gen. 37:2
1678 2217  Joseph, 18, sold to Potiphar the Egyptian Jasher 44:1-14
           Egypt's Time Debt begins Secrets, 71
           Joseph framed and imprisoned Gen. 39:17-20
1668 2227  Joseph, age 28, interprets dreams for the baker and the butler Gen. 40
1667 2228  Isaac dies, age 180 Gen. 35:28-29
1666 2229  Joseph interprets Pharaoh's dreams Gen. 41:14-36
           Joseph made Prime Minister, age 30 Gen. 41:39-46
           7 years of plenty begin Gen. 41:47-49
1662 2233  Ephraim and Manasseh (twins) born to
           Joseph, age 34 Jasher 50:15
1659 2236  7 years of famine begin Gen. 41:54
1658 2237  Jacob's sons come to buy food Gen. 42
1657 2238  Jacob's sons return to buy food a second time; Joseph, 39, reveals his identity Gen. 43-44
           Jacob, age 130, moves to Goshen Gen. 47:9
           Jochebed (Moses' mother) Num. 26:59, at the border of Egypt Jasher 59:9
1652 2243  7 years of famine end Gen. 41:54
1640 2255  Jacob dies, age 147 Gen. 47:28
1625 2270  Pharaoh dies; Magron succeeds him, age 41 Jasher 58:1
1593 2302  Balaam born to Beor, age 113 Jasher 61:8
1586 2309  Joseph dies, age 110 Gen. 50:26
1585 2310  Zebulun dies, age 114 Jasher 61:3
1582 2313  Simeon dies, age 120 Jasher 61:4
1578 2317  Reuben dies, age 125 Jasher 62:1
1577 2318  Dan dies, age 123 (scribal error in Jasher) Jasher 62:2
1576 2319  Issachar dies, age 122 Jasher 62:3
1575 2320  Asher dies, age 123 Jasher 62:4
1574 2321  Gad dies, age 125 Jasher 62:5
1571 2324  Judah dies, age 129 Jasher 62:23
1568 2327  Naphtali dies, age 129 (scribal error in Jash.) Jasher 62:24
1564 2331  Levi dies, age 137 Jasher 63:1
           Egypt begins to afflict Israel Jasher 63:2
1532 2363  Pharaoh orders male Israelite babies killed Jasher 66:10-31
1531 2364  Amram marries Jochebed, age 126 Jasher 67:2,Num. 26:59
           Miriam born to Amram and Jochebed Jasher 67:4
1530 2365  Aaron born to Amram and Jochebed Jasher 67:4
1527 2368  Moses born to Amram and Jochebed Jasher 68:3-4
           Moses hidden 3 months from Pharaoh Ex. 2:2-3
1527- 2368-
1525 2370  Jochebed nurses Moses 2 years for Bathia Jasher 68:24
1489 2406  Joshua born to Nun Joshua 24:29
1485 2410  Caleb born Joshua 14:7
           Ephraimites attempt to conquer Canaan 1 Chr. 7:20-22,too soon and are destroyed Jasher 75
1447 2448  Exodus from Egypt under Moses after 210 years in Egypt; Moses age 80 Jasher 81:4
           Passover Age (2448-3927) begins Secrets, 24
           Egypt's Cursed Time culminates from 2034 Secrets, 57-63
           Amalekites attack Israel and are cursed; Ex. 17:8-16
           Destroyed by Saul 414 years later Secrets, 65-70
           Mosaic Covenant instituted at Pentecost Ex. 19-20
1445 2450  50th Jubilee from Adam; on Day of Atonement,
           Israel refuses to enter Canaan Secrets, 22-23
           Beginning of 434 years of Judged Time to the death of Saul in 2884 Secrets, 75
1407 2488  Miriam dies, age 124 Num. 20:1, Jasher 84:24, Aaron dies, age 123 Num. 20:28, Jasher 84:32, Moses dies, age 120 Deut. 34:7
           Joshua, age 82, leads Israel into Canaan Joshua 3
           Canaan's Cursed Time ends (2072-2488) Secrets, 47-50
1407- 2488-
1401 2494  Canaanite wars; Israel conquers Canaan Joshua 4-12
1401- 2494-First sabbath year in Canaan,
1400 2495  Inheritances given to the 12 tribes Joshua 14
1380- 2513-
1381 2514  Joshua, 108, turns rulership over to Elders Jasher 90:32-35
1379 2516  Joshua, 110, dies Joshua 24:29
1365- 2530-Elders' rule ends with captivity to king of Judges 3:8,
1364 2531  Mesopotamia (Babylon) Jasher 91:12
           Babylonian Cursed Time begins; Babylon given 2 x 414 years (2530-3358) Secrets, 116-117
1357 2538  Othniel (1st Judge) frees Israel on their
           1st Jubilee from Jordan crossing Judges 3:9-10
           390-year countdown to laying the Temple's foundation (2928); "No King in Israel" Secrets, 145-146
1050 2845  1st year of Saul Secrets, 24
1033 2862  18th year of Saul Secrets, 65
           Amalek's Cursed Time ends 414 years from Secrets, 68-70 their attack on Israel in 2448 Ex. 17:14-16
           God tells Saul to destroy Amalek 1 Sam. 15:2-3
           Saul spares king Agag and becomes liable 1 Sam. 15:8-9
           Samuel kills Agag; this puts Saul on Judged Secrets, 67
           Time, rather than Cursed Time 1 Sam. 15:32-33
1011 2884  40th year of Saul; Saul consults witch of Endor, putting monarchy on Cursed Time 1 Sam. 28:7
           This is 434 years (Judged Time) after
           Israel's refusal to enter Canaan in 2450 Secrets, 68-71
           Saul dies in battle with Philistines 1 Sam. 31:6
           David's accession year
1010 2885  1st year of David in Hebron 2 Sam. 2:11
1004- 2891-59th Jubilee from Adam;
1003 2892  David crowned king of all Israel 2 Sam. 5:3
           David conquers Jerusalem 2 Sam. 5:5-7
973 2922   38th year of David Secrets, 75-77
           David's census, no atonement money taken 1 Chr. 21:1-5
           All tribes uncovered except Levi & Benjamin 1 Chr. 21:6 70,000 men die in resulting plague 1 Chr. 21:14
971 2924   40th year of David (dies) 1 Ki. 2:10
           Beginning of Judged Time to fall of
           Jerusalem in 586 BC Secrets, 77
970 2925   1st year of Solomon 1 Ki. 6:1

This list may contain weird errors. Please report
All dates below BC.
First column are years after Adam.

967 2928   4th year of Solomon, Temple foundation laid 1 Ki. 6:1, 37
           End of "No King in Israel" period (390 yrs) Sec., 145-146
960 2935   Temple structure completed 1 Ki. 6:37-38
           Hiram arrives to forge Temple vessels 1 Ki. 7:13-51
           Solomon begins construction of his house 1 Ki. 7:1
957 2938   Temple of Solomon dedicated 1 Ki. 8
955 2940   60th Jubilee from Adam
947 2948   Solomon's house completed 1 Ki. 9:10
           This is 500 years after the Exodus in 2448
931 2964   40th year of Solomon (dies) 1 Ki. 11:42-43
           Israel and Judah split 1 Ki. 12:19
930 2965   1st year of Rehoboam (Judah) 1 Ki. 12:17
           1st year of Jeroboam (Israel) 1 Ki. 12:20
911 2984   20th year of Jeroboam (Israel) and the
           1st year of Asa (Judah) 1 Ki. 15:9
874 3021   38th year of Asa (Judah) and the
           1st year of Ahab (Israel) 1 Ki. 16:29
853 3042   6th year of Shalmanezer III of Assyria
           Ahab and his allies fight Assyria in the battle of Karkar (Assyrian dating) Secrets, 25-26
           Israel's 3-year truce with Syria ends in war 1 Ki. 22:1
           Ahab attacks Syria and is killed by Naaman Secrets, 26
763 3132   June 15, solar eclipse recorded by Assyrians in their Eponym of Bur-Sagale Secrets, 26
745 3150   Tiglath-Pileser (King of Pul of 2 Ki. 15:19) begins to deport Israel.
           This date is fixed by the Assyrian Eponyms. Secrets, 163
           Time of "eating dung" for Israel begins which lasts 7 x 390 years to 1986; this Secrets, 145-146,
           leads to laying of new Temple foundation Ezek. 4
           Time of Jacob's Trouble begins 13 x 210 years leading to 1986 Secrets, 163-164
723- 3172- Assyrian siege of Samaria; Israel captured
721 3174   and deported after 210 years from 2964 Secrets, 159-162
721 3174   14th Jubilee from Jordan crossing 2 Ki. 19:29
713 3182   Assyrian siege of Jerusalem ends with 185,000 Assyrians dead; Jerusalem saved 2 Ki. 19:35
623 3272   16th Jubilee from Jordan crossing Secrets, 197
           18th year of Josiah; Great Passover held 2 Chr. 35:1-19
623- 3272-
622 3273   1st year of 17th Jubilee from Jordan crossing Secrets, 197-198
607 3288   Nebuchadnezzar conquers Assyria Secrets, 83
604 3291   Nebuchadnezzar conquers Jerusalem Secrets, 83
           Beginning of 70-year captivity of Jerus. Secrets, 83, 84
598- 3297- 26th year of 17th Jub. from Jordan crossing;
597 3298   Temple vessels taken to Babylon 2 Ki. 24:13
           (666 years later is 70 AD, when the Romans took vessels to Rome) Secrets, 71
           Jehoiachin captured and deported, beginning 2 Ki. 24:15
           long-term cycle of 37 x 70 years, to 1994 Secrets, 72, 73
           Zedekiah's accession year 2 Ki. 24:17
597- 3298- Secrets, 197-199
596 3299   1st year of Zedekiah 2 Ki. 24:17-18
594- 3301- 30th year of 17th Jub. from Jordan crossing Ezek. 1:1-2
593 3302   5th year of Jehoichin's captivity Ezek. 1:1-2
589 3306   "Legal" end of Zedekiah's reign and of Jerus. Secrets, 79-80
589- 3306- 35th year of 17th Jubilee from Jordan crossing
588 3307   God gives Jerusalem opportunity to observe the final rest year before judgment comes. Secrets, 9, 10
           They refuse; judgment set irrevocably Jer. 34
           9th year of Zedekiah 2 Ki. 25:1-2
           Jerusalem siege begins (lasts unto 3rd year) 2 Ki. 25:1-2
587- 3308- 11th year of Zedekiah 2 Ki. 25:1-2
586 3309   Jerusalem and Temple destroyed 2 Ki. 25:1-10
           End of Judged Time from death of David Secrets, 77-79
754 3321   17th Jubilee from Jordan crossing Ezek. 40:1
560 3335   Nebuchadnezzer dies; Evil-Merodach (son) frees Jehoiachin after 37 years 2 Ki. 25:27-30
537 3358   Fall of Babylon to Medes and Persians Dan. 5:31
           This is 70 years after Babylon's rise to power when they conquered Assyria
           This is 2 x 414 years after Babylon came on Cursed Time in 2530 Secrets, 116-117
           Darius the Mede rules Babylon while Cyrus the Persian continues conquests Dan. 5:31
534 3361   Cyrus the Persian returns to rule Babylon directly; Darius returns home to rule Secrets, 84-88
           Edict of Cyrus allows Judah to return Ezra 1
           70-yr captivity of Jerusalem ends Secrets, 85
           76-yr cleansing period for Jerusalem begins Secrets, 85-90
           76-sabbath cleansing period for Jerusalem begins (532 years) to birth of Jesus Secrets, 92
529 3366   1st year of Cambyses (co-regency with his father, Cyrus) Secrets, 87
521 3374   1st year of Darius I Secrets, 87
520 3375   2nd year of Darius I; Haggai and Hag. 1:1,
           Zechariah begin to prophecy Zech. 1:1
           People renew work on the Temple
516- 3379- 6th year of Darius I (dated spring to spring
515 3380   by Persian reckoning) Secrets, 87
515 3380   March 15, Temple completed Ezra 6:15
485 3410   1st year of Xerxes I Secrets, 84, 88
480 3415   Sept. Battle of Salamis (Persia v. Greece) during the Archonship of Kalliades
           (dated by solar eclipse of Oct. 2, 480 BC
           occurring a few days after this battle) Secrets, 85, 88
464 3430   70th Jub. from Adam, 1st yr of Artaxerxes I Secrets, 88
458 3437   7th yr of Artaxerxes I; Edict of Artaxerxes I allows rebuilding of Jerusalem Ezra 7:7
           End of Jerusalem's 76-year time of cleansing (from 534-458 BC) Secrets, 88-90
           Daniel's 70 weeks begin Secrets, 109
423 3472   1st year of Darius II Secrets, 84
404 3491   1st year of Artaxerxes II Secrets, 84
358 3537   1st year of Ochus (Artaxerxes III) Secrets, 84
337 3558   1st year of Arses Secrets, 84
335- 3560-
331 3564   Reign of Darius III (last Persian king) Secrets, 84
331 3564   Alexander the Great of Greece conquers Persia and assumes the Debt Note Secrets, 84
330 3565   Alexander occupies Babylon
           Darius III (ex-king) murdered
323 3572   Alexander dies in Babylon; the Empire is divided among his 4 generals Dan. 8:20-21
160 3706   Judas Maccabeus begins to reign as first of Hasmonean dynasty
126 3769   Judah conquers Idumea (Edom) and forces their conversion to Judaism; i.e., Judah "marries" Edom Secrets, 125
63 3832    Pompey, Roman general, conquers Syria and makes Judah a Roman province; the Debt
           Note passes to Rome Ant. XIV,iv,3
           Sept. 23, Octavian born (later called Augustus Caesar):
           Roman Senate decrees for all male children born this year to be killed Secrets, 93
47 3848    Antipater, father of Herod, appointed Procurator of Judea Secrets, 102
46 3849    Antipater appoints Herod Governor of Galilee at the age of 25 Secrets, 102
43 3852    Aug. 19, Octavian begins 1st Consulship Secrets, 94, 103
37 3859    Herod begins reign as King of Judea after overthrowing Antigonus, the Hasmonean. Secrets, 102
34 3856    Antigonus executed by Mark Antony Antiq., XV,i,2
           This ends Hasmonean dynasty after 126 years. It is also 92 years (2 x 46) after
           Edom was conquered. Herod was now secure on the throne.
31 3864    Sept. 2, Battle of Actium Secrets, 103
30 3865    Cleopatra dies; Rome subjects Egypt fully Secrets, 103
27 3868    Octavian proclaimed Augustus Caesar Secrets, 94
4 3891     Herod executes sons of Marimba; legal
           March 13, incorrect date of the lunar eclipse preceding Herod's death Secrets, 100-101
3 3892     May 19, Mercury-Saturn conjunction begins a series of astrological events Secrets, 96
           June 12, Venus-Saturn conjunction Secrets, 96
           Aug. 12, Venus-Jupiter conjunction Secrets, 96
           Aug. 31, Mercury-Venus conjunction Secrets, 96
           Sept. 14, Jupiter-Regulus conjunction Secrets, 96
2 3893     Feb. 5, Roman Senate awards Augustus title
           "Father of the Country;" decrees that all the people of the Empire must
           register & ratify this title by an oath of allegiance Secrets, 94
           Feb. 17, Jupiter-Regulus conjunction Secrets, 96
           25th anniversary (Silver Jubilee) of Augustus being proclaimed "Augustus" Secrets, 95
           April, John born to Zacharias & Elizabeth Luke 1
           May, Saturninus (Gov. of Syria) returns to
           Rome as his term expires Secrets, 95
           May-Nov., Quirinius is temporary governor of Syria until the arrival of Varus Secrets, 95
           May 8, Jupiter-Regulus conjunction Secrets, 96
           June 17, Jupiter and Venus merge as one Secrets, 96
           Jupiter then begins moving West toward
           Jerusalem; the Magi soon follow it Secrets, 97
           Aug. 26, Jupiter-Mars conjunction Secrets, 96
           Sept. 29, Feast of Trumpets; Jesus born Secrets, 106
           76 sabbaths of cleansing complete from
534 BC     (Edict of Cyrus) Secrets, 92
Sept. 29 - Dec. 29, Jesus "hidden" as was Moses (Ex. 2:2) Secrets, 99
           Dec. 5, Rabbis incite students to tear down
           Rome's golden eagle from Temple portal Secrets, 100
           Dec. 20-25, Magi arrive in Jerusalem and inquire about the "king of the Jews" Secrets, 97-99
           Dec. 25, Jupiter appears stationary over Bethlehem as viewed from Jerusalem;
           Magi go to Bethlehem and find Jesus Secrets, 98
           Dec. 26/27, Joseph takes Mary and Jesus to Egypt; the Magi return home also Secrets, 99
           Dec. 28, Church of England commemorates slaughter of Bethlehem children Secrets, 100
2 3893     Dec. 29, Greek Orthodox Church commem-
           (continued) orates slaughter of Bethlehem children Secrets, 100
           Jesus, 3 months old, now under protection of "Pharaoh's house" as Moses was Secrets, 99, 100
1 3894     Jan. 6, Matthias tried & convicted of sedition Secrets, 100
           Jan. 9,Matthias burned alive; lunar eclipse that evening mentioned by Josephus Secrets, 100
           Herod becomes gravely ill, goes to warm baths at Calirrhoe to no avail Secrets, 101
           Jan. 23, Herod executes his son, Antipater Ant. XVII, vii
           Joseph and Mary return to Judea for Passover Secrets, 102

All dates above BC
All dates below AD

6- 3900-
7 3901     Cyrenius becomes full-time Syrian governor Secrets, 94
14 3908    Aug. 19, Augustus dies exactly 56 years from his first Consulship in 43 BC Secrets, 105
           Tiberius succeeds him; his 1st year begins either Aug. 19 or Oct. 1st (by Syrian calendar),
           or Jan. 1, 15 AD, by the Roman calendar Secrets, 105
26 3920    80th Jubilee from Adam
28- 3922-
29 3923    15th year of Tiberius Secrets, 105
29 3923    June, John turns 30 and begins ministry Luke 3:1-3
           Sept., Jesus turns 30 on Feast of Trumpets Secrets, 106
           Oct., Day of Atonement, Jesus baptized by
           John; tempted 40 days in wilderness Secrets, 106
30 3924    John imprisoned and beheaded by Herod Matt. 14:3-12
33 3927    April 3, Friday, Jesus crucified while lambs were being killed for Passover,
           this is 80 x 153 days from His birth Secrets, 107
           April 3, lunar eclipse occurs Secrets, 107
           End of Daniel's 70 weeks Secrets, 109
           April 5, Sunday, Feast of Firstfruits; Jesus raised from the dead; Day 1 of
           Pentecost count (50 days)
           May 25, Sunday, Day of Pentecost Acts 2:1
           Passover Age (2448-3927) ends; Pentecost
           (Church) Age (33-1993 AD) begins Secrets, 138-139
           Seeds of Kingdom sowed; harvest to occur in "4 months" (4 x 490 years) John 4:35
66 3960    40 years after 80th Jub. (26 AD); Passover,riots in Jerus. begin war against Rome Secrets, 130
           Tabernacles, Cestius Gallus defeated by Judeans in battle; legion destroyed Secrets, 131
67 3961    Feb., Vespasian defeats Josephus in battle of Jotapata Secrets, 131
68 3962    June 9, Nero commits suicide Secrets, 131
           Galba succeeds him briefly, then Vitellius Secrets, 131
69 3963    Fall, Vespasian proclaimed Emperor by his troops; he goes to Rome to secure it,
           leaving his son Titus to carry on the war Secrets, 131
70 3964    Passover, Roman troops surround Jerusalem Secrets, 131
           Sept., Jerusalem conquered; Temple burned;
           Temple vessels taken to Rome 666 years after 597 BC when Babylon did it Secrets, 70, 71
73 3967    Passover, Masada taken; Sicarii and families commit murder-suicide Secrets, 132
           40 years after Jesus' crucifixion
313 4206   Edict of Milan; Constantine stops the persecution of Christians;
           this is 7 x 40 years after the crucifixion of Jesus (33 AD) Secrets, 135
410 4304   Alaric the Goth sacks Rome
455 4349   The Vandals sack Rome
476 4370   Odoacer, the German, conquers Rome and is proclaimed king of Italy
           End of the Western Roman Empire Secrets, 118
516 4410   90th Jubilee from Adam
622 4516   Muslim calendar begins (Hegira), this is half-way between 745 BC and 1986 AD Secrets, 119
637 4531   Muslims capture Jerusalem and assume the Debt Note from Rome Secrets, 119
1006 4900  100th Jubilee from Adam
1099 4993  First Crusade recaptures Jerusalem; Rome takes Debt Note back Secrets, 119
1187 5081  Muslims retake Jerusalem and take the Debt Note back Secrets, 119
1228 5122  Fredrick II restores Jerusalem to Latin control by diplomacy Secrets, 119
1244 5138  Muslims recapture Jerusalem Secrets, 119
1453 5347  Turks capture Constantinople; end of East Roman Empire (Byzantine)
           First Bible printed by Gutenberg
1492 5386  Columbus "discovers" America Secrets, 183
1496 5390  110th Jubilee from Adam
1776 5670  America made an independent nation 2520
           (12 x 210) years after Assyria begins to deport Israel from Samaria in 745 BC Secrets, 163
1917 5811  Nov. 7, Bolshevik Revolution Secrets, 190
           Dec. 6, Allenby takes Jerusalem; Debt
           Note assumed by Britain temporarily Secrets, 119
           Balfour Declaration on Palestine
           2520 years after Babylon's conquest of Jerusalem in 604 BC
1937 5831  Fall, 119th Jubilee from Adam
           Early pattern of the 120th Jubilee, along with the next 10-year cycle; compare
1937/38 -  47/48 with 1986/87 - 96/97 Secrets, 186-188
           414 rest years (sabbaths) from the fall of Jerusalem (604 BC)
           434 rest years (sabbaths) from the fall of Samaria (721 BC)
1947 5841  Nov. 21, Palestine Resolution sent to U.N. Secrets, 119-120
           Nov. 29, U.N. passes Palestine Resolution Secrets, 119-120
1948 5842  May 14, Israelis declare independence Secrets, 119-120
           "Herod's Temple" begun, given 46 years,as the Debt Note assumed by Israelis Secrets, 192-193
           Fall, Mystery Babylon's Cursed Time was supposed to climax, but deferred 46 yrs
           when Israelis assume the Debt Note Secrets, 192-193
1986 5880  120th Jubilee from Adam
           4 x 490 years after 80th Jubilee ("4 months until harvest") John 4:35
           7 x 390 years since 745 BC
           7 + 3 year period of construction begins for spiritual Temple Secrets, 186
           13 x 210 years since 745 BC (beginning of the Time of Jacob's Trouble) Secrets, 146, 147
           Parallel to Jordan crossing and beginning of
           7-year count to receiving the Inheritances
1989 5883  4 x 490 years after Jesus' baptism on Day of Atonement in 29 AD (in 1989, Day
           of Atonement fell on Oct. 9/10) Secrets, 107
1990- 5884-God's Elect come into Blessed Time, and
1991 5885  the 38 years of time offset that began in 2488 ends fully
1992- 5886-
1993 5887  7th year from 1986 (Jordan crossing parallel); Inheritances received (?)
1993- 5887-Parallel to time of vessels of the Temple
1996 5890  being forged by Hiram for 3 years after completion of the Temple structure
1993 5887  4 x 490 years after Crucifixion & Pentecost;
           Passover (Church) Age ends after 40 Jub. Secrets, 23, 24
           Nov. 21-29 completes 46-year cycle of U.N.
           Resolution on the partition of Palestine Secrets, 192-193
           Jubilee Prayer Campaign begins 7-yr.
           Spiritual warfare (parallel to Jericho) Secrets, 194
1994 5888  May 14 completes 46-year cycle from
           Israeli Independence Day Beginning of end to 37 x 70 (2590) year
           parallel to Jehoichin captivity of 597 BC Secrets, 73
1996 5890  Declaration of the 120th Jubilee (Sept. 23) Secrets, 186
           Red Dragon battles begin July 17, lasting three and a half years to Dec. 29, 1999.
2006 5900  End of ten years from Jubilee Declaration
           Melchisedec Priesthood now age 20 Secrets, 186
           4 x 490 years from when the Apostle Paul was commissioned as missionary. Acts 11:27-30 Secrets, 187

1365 BC is when they were captured

Num
3:49 So Moses took the redemption money  from those who were in excess of those redeemed by the Levites. 3:50 From the firstborn males of the Israelites he collected the money, 1,365 shekels, according to the sanctuary shekel. 3:51 Moses gave the redemption money to Aaron and his sons, according to the word of the Lord, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

any correlation?

also Enoch [dedicated] lived 365 years, those are the only times 365 appear in the Bible.

I was searching for the number 73 the other day (the 1234 pattern) The only incidences are in these passages:

Num 3:46 And for the redemption of the 273 firstborn males of the Israelites who exceed the number of the Levites,
(22,273 sons of Levi, there could only be 22,000 Levites so 273 were the redeemed.  273 x 5 shekels= 1365)

Ezra 2:36  The priests: the descendants of Jedaiah (through the family  of Jeshua): 973; (also repeated in Nehemiah)
Jedaiah [God has known] through Jeshua [Jesus]

For Molly.

I found a few extras. Still no projected end-time. But considering it goes past the 7th bowl we are way into Revelation. The century long time frames seem to have be reduced to years. So things seem to accelerate.
Lots of stuff is interpretation. Like: China is the land of the dragon. When they celebrated something it represented the dragon coming out of the sea. I must add there are lots of coincidences. Lots of them. But I'll skip most of them.

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1996
2x490 days after a previous event God set up a deal for a team member to pick up a silver and gold coin from  a woman who was spiritually bitten in her foot by python.
^EBRActs 16
16 And it came to pass, as we were on our way unto the place of prayer, a certain damsel, having a spirit of Python, met us,––who, indeed, much gain, was presenting unto her masters, by divining.


September 1996

^YLTRevelation 12
1 And a great sign was seen in the heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars,
2 and being with child she doth cry out, travailing and pained to bring forth.
3 And there was seen another sign in the heaven, and, lo, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his head seven diadems,
4 and his tail doth draw the third of the stars of the heaven, and he did cast them to the earth; and the dragon did stand before the woman who is about to bring forth, that when she may bring forth, her child he may devour;
5 and she brought forth a male child, who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, and caught away was her child unto God and His throne,

Picture the above as star sign Virgo with that appears to be positioned under her feet and the sun is positioned in her womb representing Jesus. Obviously it's all just a optical illusion because the moon is much much closer to us than the sun and Virgo. It's all symbolic. No giant women in the sky.

(http://www.askelm.com/star/images/star52a.gif)No the best of pictures but notice the big snake at the right waiting to eat the baby.

In September 1996 the sun was behind Virgo, and the moon passed through her, traveling from the womb area to her feet. They say that this was the first time in known history that this has happened. The moon did the same thing in September of 1997 and 1998, each time coming into a more perfect position. The most perfect positioning of the moon traveling from womb to feet occurred in September of 1999.

Greg Killian described this sign in 1996:

"Draco is poised above the woman, waiting to snatch the manchild. The moon is poised in the 'birth canal' of the virgin who is lying down with her feet in the air... The constellation of Coma Bernice is the crown of twelve stars above the virgin's head."

Again, he wrote:

"Those who celebrate Rosh Chodesh (the new moon) have learned that Messiah is represented by Lavanah ("moon). The celebration of Rosh Chodesh, the new moon, includes the announcement of the new moon with the words: 'David, King of Israel, lives and endures!' Lavanah, the moon, represents Messiah in this unique astronomical event. This particular positioning of the mazzaroth (constellation) Bethulah, the virgin, about to give 'birth' to the moon (the Messiah) has never occurred before, and will never again, due to the precession of the equinoxes."

Revelation 12:6 and 14 tell us that the duration of the red dragon battle is 1,260 days, or "a time, and times, and half a time." A time in Bible prophecy is 360 units of measure. In long-term prophecy it is 360 years; in short-term prophecy it is 360 days or a year in general.

The dragon got his short term victory. Dow Jones began to double from 1996-2000 (financial peace?) After that DJA went downhill. The dragon was captured

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1998
On July 3, 1996 British Prime Minister John Major announced in public that the government had decided to give the Coronation Stone and other important artifacts and documents back to Scotland, which had been taken 700 years earlier in 1296 AD. The Coronation Stone signifies the divine right to rule, and all the British monarchs from that time to the present (except Mary I, called "Bloody Mary") have been crowned over this stone.
You can skip the rest of this post is you wish. It just explains that the stone probably is "Jacob's pillow at Bethel, the stone Jacob anointed in Genesis 28:18" brought to Ireland by Jeremiah.
Jacob prophetically called this Stone, "the Shepherd," for it represented Christ, the Rock and the Good Shepherd, around whom the people would be gathered.
It was the rock Moses struck to give his people water.
BTW 1998 was Israel's first Jubilee in Israel. And more importantly the at that time the stone was in WillieH's hometown :winkgrin:








The origin of the Stone is disputed. Well-established traditions from ancient times said that it was Jacob's pillow at Bethel, the stone Jacob anointed in Genesis 28:18 and that it was brought to Ireland around 580 B.C. by an old prophet known by the title, Ollamh Fodhla, "wonderful seer." The Stone was called the Lia Fail, or "precious stone." He was said to have a scribe named Bruch (or Baruch). He also brought David's Harp, which then became part of the national heraldry of Ireland. The old prophet also brought with him a princess from the East, said to have come from Egypt, who later married the newly crowned king of Ireland named Eochaudh II.

We know from the Bible that the prophet Jeremiah lived to see the fall of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. We know that he was the custodian of the King's daughters (Jer. 41:10; 43:6) and that Jeremiah may have been the girls' great-grandfather (Jer. 52:1; 2 Kings 24:18). We know that they were in Egypt just before leaving the Middle East (Jer. 43). We know that he had a scribe named Baruch (Jer. 32:12; 36:4; 43:6, etc.), who is mentioned 23 times in the book of Jeremiah. We know that these people all disappeared from Judah 's history. Traditions tell us that he hid the Ark of the Covenant and may have taken it wit h him when he left the land of Judah.

The problem in verifying Jeremiah's move to Ireland  is in the fact that Ireland has some huge libraries with thousands of books in the old language, and no one wants to begin sorting through them. Some years ago a British historian was sent to Ireland to write a history of that country. He took one look at all the books and gave it up as a lost cause. The task was just too massive.

Nonetheless, we know that since the year 543 A.D. the Stone has been called by 88 different names (such as "Jacob's pillow," "the Stone of Israel," and " Bethel ") by 64 different writers. The princess married the new king Eochaudh II, who had just become king of all Ireland in 583 BC. The two were the first in Ireland to be crowned king and queen of Tara upon this Stone. " Tara " is derived from the Hebrew word, Torah, which is The Law. Crowning the kings on the Stone signified ruling according to the laws of God and by His authority.

So the question is, where did the Stone come from prior to its coming to Ireland? If we piece the history together, it becomes quite obvious that Jeremiah brought it to Ireland, along with one of the daughters of Zedekiah, the last king of Judah. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 B.C., Jeremiah took custody of Zedekiah's daughters.

When the Babylonians took Jerusalem, they set Jeremiah free from prison (38:28). The captain of the guard told the prophet that he was free to do whatever he wished and to go wherever he wished (40:4). He remained for a while, but ultimately, he disappeared from Biblical history with no record of his death.

It seems likely that he took the Coronation Stone and David's Harp and brought them to Ireland, for just three years later the Irish histories record the coming of an old prophet from the East with a princess, a Stone, and a Harp. There is no question that Ireland was populated by Hebrews, because the old Gaelic language is simply a dialect of Hebrew. Furthermore, ancient Ireland was called Hibernia, which, like Iberia, means "land of the Hebrews."

Historians are agreed that Spain, which was called " Iberia," had many Hebrew-Phoenician colonies that mined silver for Solomon. In fact, Solomon's tax collector, Adoram, died there and was buried. A stone was discovered a century ago that was probably his grave stone, saying he died there after King Rehoboam, Solomon's son, had sent him there to collect taxes.

Spain (Iberia) was the main supply station on the way through the Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar) to Ireland (Hibernia) and Britain, where tin was mined. One of the main Irish tribes was known as the Tuatha de Danaans, or the "Tribe of Dan."

Knowing this, it is highly probable that Jeremiah knew of this far-off Hebrew colony and was led by God to bring the king's daughters with him to preserve the royal lineage of King David. This was the only way to fulfill the promise of God to David that his seed and his throne would be established forever (2 Sam. 7:8-16; Psalm 89:3, 4). These promises find their ultimate fulfillment in Jesus Christ, of course; but if there was no throne from the destruction of Jerusalem to the birth of Jesus, then the promises would have failed for nearly 600 years. I do not consider this to be a feasible view, nor does it do justice to the promises of God.

Once we link the Coronation Stone to Palestine, we can trace it in Biblical history and see its significance. Jacob anointed the stone in Genesis 28, making it a type of Christ, "the Anointed One." Before Jacob died, he made Joseph the Stone's custodian, saying to him in Gen. 49:24, "from thence is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel."

This Stone was apparently sacred to the Israelites, for it represented the divine presence, or "the anointing." The Great Shepherd is Jesus Christ, the Anointed One (Heb. 13:20). Jacob prophetically called this Stone, "the Shepherd," for it represented Christ, the Rock and the Good Shepherd, around whom the people would be gathered. They took it with them when they left Egypt, for Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 10:1-4,

1 For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them ; and the rock was Christ [christos, "anointed"].

Paul says the Rock which gave them water to drink actually "followed them." The Greek term he uses is akoloutheo, which means "to follow one who precedes, or to accompany." The word is found 92 times in the New Testament. It is translated "follow" 91 times.

We conclude, then, that the Rock accompanied them when they came out of Egypt. It was the Rock that Moses struck to give the people water. This Rock was obviously a type of Christ, whose death on the Cross gave us the water of the Spirit to drink. Moses was supposed to speak to that same Rock the second time, but he struck it twice. This disqualified Moses from entering the Kingdom. The second work of Christ is a preaching work, for Christ did not have to die a second time. The second work of Christ will bring revival (water) to the world.

When Paul talked about this Stone in the passage above, it could have been translated, " and that Rock was the anointed one." In other words, it is possible Paul was identifying the Rock specifically as the one that Jacob had anointed at Bethel.

In the time of the kings of Israel and Judah, we find that the kings of Judah were crowned while standing by (or "on") a pillar "as the manner was" (2 Kings 11:12 -14). In other words it was customary, or traditional, to crown their kings in conjunction with a pillar. Was this just any old pillar? I think not. A coronation has always been a very solemn and sacred ceremony, and anything customary would use specific objects or words considered sacred or stately.

In another passage, 2 Kings 23:3, the godly King Josiah "stood by [or "on"] a pillar and made a covenant before the Lord." It is hardly likely that he would do so with just any old pillar. It is obvious that the pillar represented something divine, and it was important that this covenant be made at that location. It has been assumed that these kings stood next to a tall pillar (or column) on these occasions, but the wording in the Hebrew text could just as easily have read that the king was standing upon the pillar.

Many years ago I watched a movie about Macbeth, a king who reigned in Scotland from 1040-1057 A.D., during the time that the Coronation Stone was in Scone. In the movie, they portrayed Macbeth being crowned while standing upon a stone. While the producers did not attempt to connect this stone with the Coronation Stone itself, they did portray him as standing upon the Stone. I suggest that this is what they did in ancient Israel, and that this is how the above passages should be read and understood.

When the Stone was brought to London in 1296 A.D., a special Coronation Chair was built to house the Stone. It then became customary for the monarchs to sit upon that chair over the Stone when they were crowned.

1999
Apollyon and the dragon defeated.
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Prince of Rosh. This particular "prince" (or principality) had ruled Russia until April 26, 1986 when he was deposed. The major sign of his overthrow in those days was the meltdown of the nuclear power plant at Chernobyl, which means "Wormwood."
Rosh was defeated is Russia and moved to teh USA to start another police state.
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2000
Three very important time cycles came to an end toward the end of the year 2000. The first was the seven-year agreement between Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and PLO Chairman Yassir Arafat on Sept. 13, 1993. They had agreed to establish a Palestinian State in seven years—that is, by September of 2000.

In July 2000 at Camp David, they were making good progress on this, but then they could not agree over the status of Jerusalem. The meetings broke up on July 26 with both sides angry at the other, and nothing was accomplished.

On the same day, the Concorde crashed in Paris. Concorde means "harmony, peace," and the Lord said, "Peace has been taken from the earth." Subsequently, 414 days later was Sept. 11, 2001, the day of the Twin Towers disaster, which brought America into a "generational war" against "terrorists."
414 days (cursed time) later 9 September 2011.
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2001
February 28 2001 earth quake. The earthquake took place more precisely under the tip of Devils Head on Key Peninsula not far from Seattle. It is so named because it is in the shape of a serpent's head.

As for the meaning of these seven princes,
- Beelzebub is about Zionism and has to do with the Temple Mount in old Jerusalem. Beelzebub is the prince that has run  America 's foreign policy since 1948.
- The Prince of Revenge is the spirit behind America 's reaction to the Twin Towers disaster on Sept. 11, 2001.
- The Prince of Usury is about the banking system. He came to America on April 13, 1912, and his sign was the sinking of the Titanic (representing America).
- The Red Dragon prevents the birth of the Manchild.
- The Prince of Counterfeit has to do with Lev. 10:1, where Nadab and Abihu offered "strange fire" to the Lord. It prophesies of counterfeit moves of the Spirit. We need Temperance, or self-control, so as not to panic and fall into imitation revivals.
- The Prince of Slavery gives us a slave mentality. We need to take Responsibility for our lives and actions.
- The Prince of Influence runs our advertising agencies, causing us to be unfaithful to Truth and to God Himself.
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God installed the archangels over the earth's continents, each in his place on July 16, 2001.
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When President Clinton humbled himself on Sept. 11, 1998, my friend Ron reminded us that the numeric value of GRACE in the New Testament is precisely 911. As he put it, President Clinton sent up a 911 call for Grace. (In America, 911 is the emergency telephone number.)
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Sept. 11, 2001 was the beginning of divine judgment upon America, but it also goes much deeper than this. God is dealing with the entire world, not only bringing judgment upon the nations, but also digging down to the original Adamic problem of the carnal mind.
So rebellious America is fighting its perceived enemies, but from a biblical perspective, America is unknowingly fighting God Himself. When WE repent, God will remove the enemy by His Spirit.

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The bowls
Bowl #1: 2000 - Attack on Babylon's finacila system starts. Marked with teh Twin Towers on 9/11. -  Court: Voting issue's at Bush election - 9/11 Beast of war released to destroy Jerusalem.
Bowl #2: 2002 - Attack on Babylon's church starts. News/trails about pheophila in the (RCC) church. - Court: Church leadership in court.
Bowl #3: 2003 - Invasion of Iraq. America is now standing in the line of fire of the beast of war that now is destroying teh country financially.
Bowl #4: 2003 - October 24, 2003 United Nations Day a solar flare hits the earth.
Bowl #6: 2005 - August 29, 2005 Katrina detroyed New Orleans. President Bush called it "that great city" a number of times. And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, "Woe, woe, THE GREAT CITY, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!"
Bowl #7: 2006 - The financial system of Babylon crumbles even more. Sub-prime mortgage meltdown. (The bowls where emptied in, among other place, Babylon NY and Amityville)

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2004
December 26, 2004 tsunami. Dragon cast into the sea. (1260 days after the 2001 prayer campaign)
On CNN for Dec. 29, 2004, shortly after the tsunami, they issued a report from Africa about events occurring when the tsunami hit.

"The water began to change color... The color of the sea had changed to RED. On return, I saw on BBC about the major Asia quake and the effect it has had and the lives it has claimed. I'm wondering if today's event had anything to do with the tidal wave that swept Asia."

2005
On April 2, 2005 Pope John Paul II died. His death occurred precisely 3 x 414 days after the beginning of a prayer campaign in 2001
The prayer campaign itself was called "Entering the Millennium of Rest," and did not end until Nov. 14, 2001.

We had already taken note in 2004 that the deliverance from Baphomet that was done on June 24, 2004 was precisely 3 x 414 days after the beginning of our warfare on Jan. 29, 2001. Now we saw the second fulfillment of that particular cycle.

Nov. 8, 2001 + 3 x 414 days = April 2, 2005 (Pope dies)

Nov. 14, 2001 + 3 x 414 days = April 8, 2005 (Pope's funeral)
John Paul II was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse in Poland. When he was finally buried on April 8, 2005, the world experienced a very unusual "hybrid eclipse" of the sun.

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2008

We have come to the place in history where the Stone is crushing the image on its feet (Dan. 2:35). The Stone is Jesus Christ, but it is also His Kingdom. This Stone Kingdom is about to become dominant in the earth in the Tabernacles Age to come.

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That's it Molly.

Quote from: wwSo things seem to accelerate.

Yes!  That's one reason I feel I can't wait until 2036.   Have you noticed things are accelerating?  Now they are flooding 3000 square miles around the Mississippi river, displacing homes, farms, and animals.  It's just one huge disaster after another these days.  I don't know if I can take this for another 12 months, never mind 25 years.

Quote1998
On July 3, 1996 British Prime Minister John Major announced in public that the government had decided to give the Coronation Stone and other important artifacts and documents back to Scotland, which had been taken 700 years earlier in 1296 AD. The Coronation Stone signifies the divine right to rule, and all the British monarchs from that time to the present (except Mary I, called "Bloody Mary") have been crowned over this stone.

Yes. I knew about this.  What I didn't understand is why he did it.  Does that mean the next king of England won't be crowned on this stone?  What's the implication of that?

I have read the queen of England traces her bloodline back to king David.  I believe these monarchs consider themselves a royal bloodline, of the tribe of Judah, giving them the right to reign under this passage:

The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from his descendants, until the coming of the one to whom it belongs, the one whom all nations will honor.
--Gen 49:10

It is also thought by some that the Europeans in general [and America by extension] are descendants of the ten lost northern tribes of Israel.  I believe the Founders of this country, and the Pilgrims in particular, believed they were ushering in the reign of Christ, wresting his power from the hands of kings.  Under Christ we are each one of us kings.

"We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun - let His Kingdom come"
Samuel Adams
Father of the Revolution
[Adams made the above statement as the Declaration of Independence was being signed]

"It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
--Patrick Henry

Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.


For at least ten years we have been under heavy judgment.  The people have lost control of their country. The kings have been brought down to the ground.  And, now like you say, it is escalating.

Quote from: Molly on May 15, 2011, 03:13:13 PM

Quote from: wwSo things seem to accelerate.

Yes!  That's one reason I feel I can't wait until 2036.

Then I have bad news for you. The kingdom on earth would have started 1000s of years ago if teh Jews didn't pull that stunt with the 12 spies. It can happen again?

QuoteHave you noticed things are accelerating?

Yes, but likely not in the same way as you. I just see time frames shrinking.

Quote from: wwI just see time frames shrinking.

Everyone thinks usa will be the first to fall, but I don't think so.  I think it will be Europe first because the Europeans are missing that gene that caused men to pick up and leave for a place where they could live in freedom as masters of their own destiny, subject only to God. :laughing7:

You see time frames shrinking?  The powers that be are trying to shrink the whole western world back to a feudal time, where the property was in the hands of the few, before the magna carter gave the right of habeus corpus [1215 ad], and where we boiled water, lived by candlelight, and threw our trash in the streets.

Is this Biblical?  Let's just forget the last 1000 years?  That's shrinking alright.

Quote from: Molly on May 15, 2011, 03:56:34 PM

Quote from: wwI just see time frames shrinking.

Everyone thinks usa will be the first to fall, but I don't think so.  I think it will be Europe first because the Europeans are missing that gene that caused men to pick up and leave for a place where they could live in freedom as masters of their own destiny, subject only to God. :laughing7:

The god that rules the USA lives in (easter) Europe  :winkgrin:

And forget about Europe falling first. The USA will fall 6 months before Europe. If you follow the markets in bull and bear times you see Europe lag 6 months.
So I would say if one falls the other falls too. Let's just face it. The USA is nowhere without Europe. Europe is nowhere without the USA. Global trade/markets merged the marco economy of both (and other) continents. One big Babylonian trade empire....

Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland say differently. :winkgrin:  Am I correct in assuming that these nations do not have a national identity in the European Union?  How long will they be able to carry everything on the backs of Germans?

The nations will survive intact.  We see them in Rev 20.

Although our States were originally set up as nations, we have long since forged our honor and our treasure together.  We'll see if this can hold, but I trust it will.

A house divided cannot stand.


PS
One in four Greeks now want to get out of the euro: Greece dispatch
As a new bailout looms, Greek voters start to think the unthinkable about the euro.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/8513885/One-in-four-Greeks-now-want-to-get-out-of-the-euro-Greece-dispatch.html

Quote from: Molly on May 15, 2011, 04:29:37 PM
Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland say differently. :winkgrin: 

But you don't see the connection? (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)

QuoteAm I correct in assuming that these nations do not have a national identity in the European Union?

Every European member has  a national identity.

QuoteHow long will they be able to carry everything on the backs of Germans?

Not just the Germans. It was plan (supposingly) for the common good. More and more there is a sound of backing out. (but that won't be allowed)

QuoteThe nations will survive intact.  We see them in Rev 20.

But not nation Babylon.

QuoteAlthough our States were originally set up as nations

And still are.

Quote, we have long since forged our honor and our treasure together.

That's why the south is the laughing stock of the north.

QuoteWe'll see if this can hold, but I trust it will.
A house divided cannot stand.

Your house is divided. Always has been. The glue is Babylon. Revelation dissolves glue... :2c:

Quote[But you don't see the connection?

yes, of course I do.  That's why the big rout in the last elections.

QuoteMore and more there is a sound of backing out. (but that won't be allowed)

Who's going to stop it and how.

QuoteBut not nation Babylon.

Right.  Babylon is on its way out, don't you think?  I can't tell how much of this they are controlling and how much is out of their control.

QuoteThat's why the south is the laughing stock of the north.

That is not true.  That's propaganda.  The States have a long history of helping each other out.  I care about what happens in Mississippi like my own, even though I've never been there.  I'm a yankee but one of my heroes is Robert E. Lee.

QuoteYour house is divided. Always has been. The glue is Babylon. Revelation dissolves glue...

That's where you're wrong.  The glue has always been Christianity, and love of God, freedom, and country.   We teach this to our children subconsciously. They have been trying mightily to dissolve it and replace it with Babylon but they keep failing.  They can only succeed superficially--I hope!

Quote from: Molly on May 15, 2011, 05:33:21 PM

Quote[But you don't see the connection?

yes, of course I do.  That's why the big rout in the last elections.

By spending zillions on banks....

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QuoteMore and more there is a sound of backing out. (but that won't be allowed)

Who's going to stop it and how.

Nobody, Europe has teh same puppetmasters as the USA.
Just read about the 1933 depression on how Britain was foreclosed. It's happening again. Whole countries/states will be foreclosed.

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QuoteBut not nation Babylon.

Right.  Babylon is on its way out, don't you think?  I can't tell how much of this they are controlling and how much is out of their control.

Let's stick with Revelation and say it's on it's way out.
Just take a birds-eye view at fractional banking. Debt by default keeps increasing. Productivity can and taxes can be raised to a certain point. People can't work 30 hours in a day. Neither they can pay 130% taxes.
It has to blow up one way or another.

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QuoteYour house is divided. Always has been. The glue is Babylon. Revelation dissolves glue...

That's where you're wrong.  The glue has always been Christianity, and love of God, freedom, and country.

How many even know what Christianity is.
People shout with their mouth but vote with their wallet....
Lots of ideals until it costs...

QuoteWe teach this to our children subconsciously. They have been trying mightily to dissolve it and replace it with Babylon but they keep failing.  They can only succeed superficially--I hope!

Failing? Draining tax dollars in to the big corp (oil/defence). Sub-prime hurts the little man. And with help of Wallstreet puppet Obama truckloads of tax $ are dumped in the pockets of big-corp (banking)

Seems like another off-topic thead.

QuoteFailing? Draining tax dollars in to the big corp (oil/defence). Sub-prime hurts the little man. And with help of Wallstreet puppet Obama truckloads of tax $ are dumped in the pockets of big-corp (banking)

It's not like we don't know this is happening.  We keep trying to change it by electing new leaders and then whoops--they lied.  Go listen to the campaign speeches of Geo Bush before his first election and your jaw will drop.  He's not recognizable to the man we came to know.

QuoteNobody, Europe has teh same puppetmasters as the USA.
Just read about the 1933 depression on how Britain was foreclosed. It's happening again. Whole countries/states will be foreclosed.

Satan just keeps doing the same thing over and over again.  That's why history repeats.  But one of these days, God will do something new.

QuoteSeems like another off-topic thead.

Not sure it's off topic because we are seeing the secrets of time play out before our very eyes.  It's not all so secret anymore.

QuoteHow many even know what Christianity is.

You would be surprised.  I know I am.
I'm telling you, it's in our bones.  Even the atheists say, well, Jesus--what's not to like about him? :laughing7:

 :cloud9: It's all going to come down like the house of cards that it is, because it's the only way for the wrath of judgment to fall upon the just and the unjust, equally. The just will live by faith, which He has been perfecting thru all our trials and tribulations. The unjust will be forced (humbled) to receive from the hand of the Lord, thru His priesthood again.

Think about the pattern that was established in the Tabernacle: if they sinned they HAD to come to the priests because it was only way to get rightstanding again, and those curses in Deuteronomy ensured they would come to the priests. The problem has been that He has had priests in this in part realm that is Pentecost, who themselves were not and could not be, whole yet themselves. Satan can't cast out Satan. My  :2c:  and that's all folks! (for today-got to run)   :grin: :HeartThrob:

Quote from: CardinalIt's all going to come down like the house of cards that it is, because it's the only way for the wrath of judgment to fall upon the just and the unjust, equally

Why would God's wrath fall on the just and the unjust equally?  I don't think that's right.  His rain [spirit and mercy] fall on the just and the unjust equally.  But his wrath?

14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

--Rev 12

Isaiah 40:31
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

No opinions on this interpretation?
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/members_lounge/the_secrets_time_9637.msg121796.html#msg121796

 :cloud9: @ Molly.....by wrath I mean judgment and judgment begins in the house of the Lord. Read again what I said about the priesthood having to go thru the cleansing of the INSIDE of the cup; that is what I'm talking about. May have used the wrong word, but not saying anything new. Lack of sleep likely the cause  :winkgrin:

  Good Land Man , I cant read  all this tonight !  3 pages lol
   needed to simplify   :laughing7:
  alot was good  and some funny lol  what I read already
  night all :HeartThrob: