The rise of Isis.

[Molly]

19say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD,
"Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph,
which is in the hand of Ephraim,
and the tribes of Israel, his companions;
and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah,
and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand."'

--Ezekiel 37




11 And the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together,
and they shall appoint for themselves one head.
And they shall go up from the land,
for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

--Hosea 1

[Molly]

Walid Shoebat:  Mystery Babylon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GGWbxP2jTw

[Seth]

19say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD,
"Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph,
which is in the hand of Ephraim,
and the tribes of Israel, his companions;
and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah,
and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand."'

--Ezekiel 37




11 And the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together,
and they shall appoint for themselves one head.
And they shall go up from the land,
for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

--Hosea 1

The church us where that unification occurs. God gathers together all things in Christ the true seed of Abraham.

Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him

Revelation is the testimony of Christ. Israel is God's first born Son. Zion is in Christ.

[sheila]

Isaaih 8;18   Here am I and the children the Lord has given me.We are signs and

  symbols in Israel from the Lord Alighty,who dwells on Zion.

   Isaaih ch 7 the SIGN OF IMMANUEL

    ....this child shall be a sign[manchild] for the rise and fall of many in Israel.

.....there are 'signsin the earth...Israel become nation/figtree budding] and signs

  in the heaven=  Jerusalem above/Jerusalem below

  now the Jerusalem that is now..SIGNifies Hagar and her children in bondage......[earth

  sign]   Rev 12 SIGN in the HEAVENS= MANCHILD?SPIRITUAL ISRAEL/JERUSALEM

  ABOVE BIRTHING FREE SONS......

   there shall be signs in the heaven and signs in the earth...Rev 12...and they loost their place in heaven  and the great dragon was hurled down..

...woe to those dwelling

  in the earth..for the dragon has come down to you,knowing his time is short.....

  you have those below and those above..........

   

[Molly]

19say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD,
"Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph,
which is in the hand of Ephraim,
and the tribes of Israel, his companions;
and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah,
and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand."'

--Ezekiel 37




11 And the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together,
and they shall appoint for themselves one head.
And they shall go up from the land,
for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

--Hosea 1

The church us where that unification occurs. God gathers together all things in Christ the true seed of Abraham.

Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him

Revelation is the testimony of Christ. Israel is God's first born Son. Zion is in Christ.

Ephraim is His firstborn son.  Who is Ephraim?  Ephraim is the Northern Kingdom, the house of Israel,  which was divorced by God and sent away as "not a people."  Ephraim stands in for Joseph.  Ephraim is what we call the church in this Age.   Ephraim is the bride of Christ--lost and now found, divorced and now betrothed.  He does not marry Judah because he never divorced the house of Judah.  The house of Judah is still married to Him, but put away for a time, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.  Judah holds the scepter until Shiloh  comes.  Ephraim [Joseph] gets all the rest of the birthright, including the name Israel.  Joseph has the double portion of Ephraim and Manasseh.  It is therefore reasonable to call the church of Christ Israel in this Age.  The house of Judah is our brother and always will be.  I stress this because I believe the last 3.5 years of the great Tribulation will be the time of Jacob's trouble, and to those who believe in such things we can see it coming.

IMO


8"Behold, I am bringing them from the north country, And I will gather them from the remote parts of the earth, Among them the blind and the lame, The woman with child and she who is in labor with child, together; A great company, they will return here. 9"With weeping they will come, And by supplication I will lead them; I will make them walk by streams of waters, On a straight path in which they will not stumble; For I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is My firstborn." 10Hear the word of the LORD, O nations, And declare in the coastlands afar off, And say, "He who scattered Israel will gather him And keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock,

--Jeremiah 31


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIjPySiAcfg

[Seth]

Ephraim is His firstborn son.  Who is Ephraim?  Ephraim is the Northern Kingdom, the house of Israel,  which was divorced by God and sent away as "not a people."  Ephraim stands in for Joseph.  Ephraim is what we call the church in this Age.   Ephraim is the bride of Christ--lost and now found, divorced and now betrothed.  He does not marry Judah because he never divorced the house of Judah.  The house of Judah is still married to Him, but put away for a time, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.  Judah holds the scepter until Shiloh  comes. 

In order to be of the house of Judah, one must be descended through Isaac (not Ishmael) and Jacob (not Esau).

Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written,

"Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear;
Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor;
For more numerous are the children of the desolate
Than of the one who has a husband."
28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. 30 But what does the Scripture say?

"Cast out the bondwoman AND HER SON" For the son of the bondwoman shall NOT be an heir with the son of the free woman."

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

This is not simply talking about a single tribe among the "children of the flesh." It's talking about ANYONE who are not "children of the freewoman" particularly those who are under the old covenant. NOBODY who isn't born of the Spirit is either an heir with the freewoman's children, OR children of Isaac. Only those who are born of the Spirit are Isaac's seed.

If you aren't children of the freewoman (Isaac) then you are not of the tribe of Judah, neither any tribe of Israel.

[Molly]

See the big picture:



O "House of Israel and House of Judah...YHVH called your name, 'A green olive tree, beautiful
in fruit and form'" (Jeremiah 11:10,16). And YHVH says, "Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph,
which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will put them
with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick...in My hand" (Ezekiel 37:19). "In those days
the house of Judah will walk with the house of Israel, and they will come together...to the land
I gave their fathers as an inheritance" (Jeremiah 3:18). "It will come about that just as you were
a curse among the nations, O house of Judah and house of Israel, so I will save you that you may
become a blessing. Do not fear; let your hands be strong" (Zechariah 8:13). "Then the jealousy
of Ephraim will depart, and those who harass Judah will be cut off; Ephraim will not be jealous
of Judah, and Judah will not harass Ephraim. They will swoop down on the slopes of the
Philistines on the west; and YHVH will utterly destroy the tongue of the Sea of Egypt; and He will
wave His hand over the River with His scorching wind; and He will strike it into seven streams
and make men walk over dry-shod" (Isaiah 11:13-15). "'In those days and at that time,' declares
YHVH, 'the sons of Israel will come, both they and the sons of Judah as well; they will go along
weeping as they go, and it will be YHVH their God they will seek. They will ask for the way to Zion,
turning their faces in its direction; they will come that they may join themselves to YHVH in an
everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten" (Jeremiah 50:4-5). "'Behold, days are coming,'
declares YHVH, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of
Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand
to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband
to them... But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days...I
will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they
shall be My people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother,
saying, "Know YHVH," for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of
them...for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more" (Jeremiah 31:31-34).
"Therefore through this Jacob's iniquity will be forgiven; and this will be the full price of the
pardoning of his sin: when he makes all the altar stones like pulverized chalk stones; when
Asherim and incense altars will not stand" (Isaiah 27:9). "Return to the stronghold, O prisoners
who have the hope; this very day I am declaring that I will restore double to you. For I will bend
Judah as My bow, I will fill the bow with Ephraim....and I will make you like a warrior's sword.
Then YHVH will appear over them, and His arrow will go forth like lightning; and the Lord YHVH
will blow the trumpet, and will march in the storm winds of the south" (Zechariah 9:12-14).


Two witnesses before all the world--The house of Ephraim [Israel]:Grace and the house of Judah:Law.

Together, under the New Covenant, they are the Israel of God.    my opinion

[Seth]

The big picture is through Christ

"In those days the house of Judah will walk with the house of Israel, and they will come together...to the land
I gave their fathers as an inheritance" (Jeremiah 3:18).

Hebrews 4
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The promised land is God's rest. It was always the promise of the Holy Spirit. That is when "the children of the flesh" will be unified with "the children of the Promise." For all Israel shall be saved. When they are, they shall abandon their citizenship in "Sodom and Egypt" and become one with the true Israel who is Jesus.

Until then, as Paul said, the "son of the bondwoman" shall have NO inheritance with the "son of freewoman." Nobody is of the tribe of Judah unless he is a seed of Isaac.

The house of Judah is not the Law.

Romans 2
28 For he is NOT a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he IS a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[Molly]

Two houses with two destinies but both will be brought together under Messiah.

When Paul is talking to us, which he most often is, he talks of our destiny and our inheritance as house of Ephraim, just like you describe.   Through us, God is raising up a nation of priests, the Melchizedek priesthood.  We didn't come out of nowhere, we are the holy Gentiles, spoken of in Exodus 19:

5'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; 6and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel."

'Holy nation' translates in the Hebrew to qadosh goy=sacred gentiles.   Why is he calling them 'gentiles' at Mt. Sinai?  Couldn't he have chosen another word? This is the Old Covenant which they will break, but God is looking forward into the future when Jesus will implement the New Covenant himself which is therefore unconditional.

When Paul talks about the house of Judah, it is a different story.  They are being set aside until the end of the Age when the [holy] Gentiles are all brought in--the fulfillment of the Gentiles.   God knows who we are; we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.  Then Messiah will return to save the house of Judah out of the great Tribulation under the New Covenant.  Again, Jesus does all the work.

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.  26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

"The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.


28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.  29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.  30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,  31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.  32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

--Romans 11


So what is Paul talking about here?   Isn't he talking about the house of Judah?   And, doesn't he say that when the fullness of the Gentiles is complete, the Messiah will come out of Zion [in heaven in this case] to complete the New Covenant with the house of Judah?  For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.

I am a very literal reader of the Bible, so to me it is very clear if you read it literally.  But, this is about the place I give up, although it makes complete sense to me, if I cannot communicate it to others, unless there is a question I could answer.

[Seth]

The verse you quoted provides the very meaning of what Paul means about "the election." It's not that they are elected to be considered the seed of Abraham, but this:

Romans 11
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.  29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.  30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,  31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.  32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

They are elected to be saved, not abandoned.

But there is clearly a difference between that and "children of the flesh" vs "children of the promise." The way Paul lays it out in Galations is pretty clear to me. ALL the tribes of Israel, including Judah are descended from ISAAC. But there is only one seed of Isaac and they are born of the Spirit.

The logical outcome of that truth is that BOTH Israel AND the house of Judah are the church, those who are born of the promise.

I am a very literal reader of the Bible, so to me it is very clear if you read it literally.

I actually don't think the Apostles were very literal. What I don't see in the New Testament especially in Galatians 4 is any mention that anyone under the OLD covenant is carried over into the sonship of Isaac without receiving the promise, without faith in Christ. It's not possible. He is NOT a Jew who is one outwardly according to the flesh, but inwardly according to the Spirit.

That's not literalism to me.

[eaglesway]

Paul says literally that the sons of the bondwoman will not receive an inheritance with the sons of the freewoman. This does not mean(imo) they will not receive an inheritance. They are however excluded from the inheritance of the sons of the freewoman, which is sonship in Christ, inheriting "all things" as it is written-

Young's Literal Translation
Rev 21:7 he who is overcoming shall inherit all things, and I will be to him -- a God, and he shall be to me -- the son,

or as James puts it...

Jas 1:12(NAS) Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

[Jock]

God will save all of Israel. I speak of the nation of Israel, not of buildings of mortar.


Romans 11:25-27
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

[Seth]

It's true all Israel shall be saved. There's no doubt as to whether God has abandoned Israel according to the flesh. He hasn't. At the same time, God retains full rights to define who is a Jew and who is not, as he sees fit.

[Molly]

God will save all of Israel. I speak of the nation of Israel, not of buildings of mortar.


Romans 11:25-27
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Yes, the prophecy will be literally fulfilled at the second coming of the Messiah.


8 In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them.  9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

--Zechariah 12


In fact,  the Messiah will return when the house of Judah comes to the end of themselves and calls for His return at the end of the great Tribulation.  Jesus himself prophesied this to them.


37"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38"Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39"For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!

--Mat 23



imo

[eaglesway]

It's true all Israel shall be saved. There's no doubt as to whether God has abandoned Israel according to the flesh. He hasn't. At the same time, God retains full rights to define who is a Jew and who is not, as he sees fit.

When Paul says all Israel will be saved, IMO he is speaking of all Israel gathered into Christ. Reconciled to God. Redeemed from the slave/chains of Gomer and betrothed in faithfulness again to Hosea(He saves/Salvation).

[Seth]

It's true all Israel shall be saved. There's no doubt as to whether God has abandoned Israel according to the flesh. He hasn't. At the same time, God retains full rights to define who is a Jew and who is not, as he sees fit.

When Paul says all Israel will be saved, IMO he is speaking of all Israel gathered into Christ. Reconciled to God. Redeemed from the slave/chains of Gomer and betrothed in faithfulness again to Hosea(He saves/Salvation).

Yes, he is talking about Israel according to the flesh being conjoined to Israel which is Christ. I agree.  :thumbsup:

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:  Beauty and Bands...union....

[Jock]

Eaglesway

Beautifully put!

Shalom   :Peace2:

Jock.

[Lazarus Short]

When Paul says all Israel will be saved, IMO he is speaking of all Israel gathered into Christ. Reconciled to God. Redeemed from the slave/chains of Gomer and betrothed in faithfulness again to Hosea(He saves/Salvation).

I wish more people realized that the Bible is a Love Story.

[Molly]

When Paul says all Israel will be saved, IMO he is speaking of all Israel gathered into Christ. Reconciled to God. Redeemed from the slave/chains of Gomer and betrothed in faithfulness again to Hosea(He saves/Salvation).

I wish more people realized that the Bible is a Love Story.

Exactly!


1"At that time, declares the Lord, I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they shall be my people."

2Thus says the Lord:
"The people who survived the sword
found grace in the wilderness;
when Israel sought for rest,
3 the Lord appeared to him from far away.
I have loved you with an everlasting love;
therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you.

--Jeremiah 31

[Seth]

When Paul says all Israel will be saved, IMO he is speaking of all Israel gathered into Christ. Reconciled to God. Redeemed from the slave/chains of Gomer and betrothed in faithfulness again to Hosea(He saves/Salvation).

I wish more people realized that the Bible is a Love Story.

I don't deny that the Bible describes the love of God. But I take it for a Gospel story. And the Gospel has a process. "Each to his order." 1 Cor 15

[eaglesway]

It is THE gospel story :o) The love of God displayed in the cross of Christ!

[Seth]

 :iagree: