The Return of Jesus - a Heads-Up

[Lazarus Short]

I read of the timing of Jesus' return years ago, but after years of working, raising a daughter, and various life changes, I lost track somewhat.  Then the other day, I saw this:  http://www.markbeast.com/70jubilees/jubileedates.htm

2015?  I hunted down a file I had made, which I labeled "End Times Charts."  In the file were two charts, one ID'd as having come from www.thefinal7yearsareherenow, the other had the www address cut half-off by my printer.  Ah, well.  Both charts point to 23 September 2015 (Day of Atonement) as the day of Jesus' return.  Sounds wonderful, but what about that "no man knows the day or hour" statement by Jesus Himself.

Maybe not now, but I keep seeing signs of the coming times.  I was with Barb the other day in a DAV store, and the old registers had all been replaced with some new and very minimalist style things using card readers only - NO cash drawer.  I don't know about the rest of you, but I have seen this in development for awhile, and a cashless society will be surely followed by marking everyone with some non-transferrable ID.  I note that the SDA publication "Signs of the Times" has not (as far as I can tell, as I don't read it cover to cover) caught this development.

Soon, but surely not next month... :sigh: 

[marie glen]

I plan to check out the links you posted.. I am expecting (I think) something to occur this september, what with the four blood moons and all, and usually these four types have marked something in history.. things concerning Israel.. (but the church/body is grafted into Israel so is now part of? :dontknow: )

I never believe any so called calendars and date setting, but I do think there may be a counting backwards sorta? 'calendar' in the verses of Daniel, chapter 12, verses 11 and 12.

Which basically says, 3.5 (Hebrew years, of 30 day months) plus thirty days aFter Israel's(?) (place of?) daily prayer, etc, is taken away or removed, the abomination which desolates (the 666 apparatus?) will be set up, and blessed is the one who comes to 45 days later. Causing me to ask what blessed thing occurs on the 45th day of 666? ..and day 1335 after the "daily sacrifice" is taken away? Usually thought to refer to a 3rd temple in Jerusalem and a resuming of the old animal sacrifices.. and that could be.. but I think of when the disciples said to Jesus how great the temple was and He said "see all these?" temple and temple complex (including walls?), "I tell you not one stone, shall remain atop another" - Mt 24:1,2.

So I wonder if the wailing wall will not be taken away, removed.. and this signify a countdown.. not a calendar, but a possible counting backwards.. I don't know how else Dn 12;11,12 can be read for one cannot wait for 1,290 (plus 45, which is waiting for 1,335) years... Which is how I've heard it interpreted which perhaps, in the duality of prophecy, may pertain in some way also..

just my :2c: (and thinking 'out loud') :smile: I'm leaving this tab up for the links, for in the morning, or sometime tomorrow.. Been studying a bit on the Jubilees.. which always occurred or began on an annual Day Of Atonement, DOA.. still researching/studying on this..

[Shev]

The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.

[Dandelion]

Personally, I try to just live my life, one day at a time. Yes, we know the signs Jesus mentioned, but we could find situations in all of human history that could have pointed to the end times. Only the Father knows, Jesus told us.

Whether I personally die, or the end of the world as we know it, comes, I still need to be ready everyday to meet Jesus. I need to live a life moment by moment,worthy of the name of Jesus.

I think that is the best way to prepare for the end. One day at a time............

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.  2 Timothy 4:7

D.

:girlangel:

[WhiteWings]

Ah, well.  Both charts point to 23 September 2015 (Day of Atonement) as the day of Jesus' return.  Sounds wonderful, but what about that "no man knows the day or hour" statement by Jesus Himself.

That was actually exact timing. It are two very common idioms wrapped into one verse.

"Only the father knows" was as common reply when a betrothed boy was asked when he would marry. The boy had certain obligations like building a room (mansion) for his bride next to his father's house, furnishing it, etc. His father would regularly inspect the room so see it was ready and up to standard. Only then the boy would get the green light to steal his bride like  a thief in the night. So the groom and bride didn't know the day. The stealing of the bride was at an hour unknown to her.
So the verse speaks about the wedding.

The other part speaks about Jewish New year.
http://tentmaker.org/forum/christian-life/the-new-testament-was-written-in-hebrew-(not-greek)/msg136467/#msg136467

[micah7:9]

The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.

:iagree: :dsunny:

[Cardinal]

The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.

:cloud9: I agree, but I also know it's extremely close and the blood moons were for signs.

@ Marie.....I got a revelation pertaining to "not one stone shall remain atop another". We are stones, and He is not going to allow men to place themselves between Him and His individual people anymore, in whatever capacity (priests or reverends) they have done so. The time is coming and now is, when all men will go up on the mountaintop to be taught of the Lord. My  :2c:..... Blessings....

[Patinak]

The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.

:iagree:
Well said Shev

[Searching_For_The_Truth]

According to William Tapley, the return of Jesus is supposed to occur in fall 2017  but many speculate that the rapture will occur in September 2015.

[bushy]

   I got a revelation pertaining to "not one stone shall remain atop another". We are stones, and He is not going to allow men to place themselves between Him and His individual people anymore, in whatever capacity (priests or reverends) they have done so. The time is coming and now is, when all men will go up on the mountaintop to be taught of the Lord. My  :2c:..... Blessings....

Very interesting. It's amazing how things are hidden in plain sight in the scriptures.

[sheila]

Double confirmation with Bex,here.

[Aerex]

I find it interesting how and where people get these dates. I agree with Dandelion. None of us thinks of death 24/7 so neither should we keep thinking about the return of Christ.

[Searching_For_The_Truth]

I plan to check out the links you posted.. I am expecting (I think) something to occur this september, what with the four blood moons and all, and usually these four types have marked something in history.. things concerning Israel.. (but the church/body is grafted into Israel so is now part of? :dontknow: )

I never believe any so called calendars and date setting, but I do think there may be a counting backwards sorta? 'calendar' in the verses of Daniel, chapter 12, verses 11 and 12.

Which basically says, 3.5 (Hebrew years, of 30 day months) plus thirty days aFter Israel's(?) (place of?) daily prayer, etc, is taken away or removed, the abomination which desolates (the 666 apparatus?) will be set up, and blessed is the one who comes to 45 days later. Causing me to ask what blessed thing occurs on the 45th day of 666? ..and day 1335 after the "daily sacrifice" is taken away? Usually thought to refer to a 3rd temple in Jerusalem and a resuming of the old animal sacrifices.. and that could be.. but I think of when the disciples said to Jesus how great the temple was and He said "see all these?" temple and temple complex (including walls?), "I tell you not one stone, shall remain atop another" - Mt 24:1,2.

So I wonder if the wailing wall will not be taken away, removed.. and this signify a countdown.. not a calendar, but a possible counting backwards.. I don't know how else Dn 12;11,12 can be read for one cannot wait for 1,290 (plus 45, which is waiting for 1,335) years... Which is how I've heard it interpreted which perhaps, in the duality of prophecy, may pertain in some way also..

just my :2c: (and thinking 'out loud') :smile: I'm leaving this tab up for the links, for in the morning, or sometime tomorrow.. Been studying a bit on the Jubilees.. which always occurred or began on an annual Day Of Atonement, DOA.. still researching/studying on this..

Many speculate that the daily sacrifice taken away refers to the Holy Eucharist.

[idontknow]

I thought rapture came after tribulation I thought pastor Anderson of youtube fame did a pretty good job of explaining it.

[rosered]

 
Amen Shev 
no man knows the ways of God  only the spirit of a man  with the Holy Spirit of God  working  within them ...
If    He is not spiritually awakened , this spirit is as the old testament   proves   to us over and over again   he is a king of the earth and that is all  he knows ..
  the True and Living God  dealt with many ''men in the old testament   and they  were used of God   to speak on His behalf  as divine instruments    ''prophets to always warn   , like trumpets  blowing  before a battle     of Gods judgments in the earth   or examples  like King Neb whom was humbled and  glorified God in the end   after much tribulation

We now have the Son of God , the Lamb of God    the Son of Man  , Our Lord Jesus Christ  , whom   HIS WORD IS THE LAST WORD   and the Word made flesh  This   testimony /WITNESS   IS THE VERY SPIRIT OF PROPHECY    Dwelling within   ,  I say this because  Jesus Christ IS fulling all the law and prophets   , Because He is the   Master of the dead and the living     , the dead   are His to raise up, the Living are raised by Him already     and with Him
It is a powerful truth the WORD   judges us all    If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto ME      , this Being the Christ in you being Lifted up '' anointing ''    being found in Jesus Christ   
Word judge  you
47"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. 49"For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.

Quote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.

Now   , I just wanted to share what comforted me  personally  ,
I feel as if the Lord grated me some peace after searching  and asking  Him for the truth    about these things  and way to precious not to share with others


Noted   Jesus Says  HE WAS sent   by the Father     ,,,  no man knows the day or hour   Matt 24 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37"For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah....

  He is sent   to lay down His life and to take it up again  , this  was to make Him Master / ruler over all things of heaven and earth and below!!!!   

  John 10   17"For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."
   

After seeing this   I can see Christ return !!!!Being sent of the Father   , but why ? and How ? and what for ?   

This was   why  , and How and what for  , Jesus comes as the thief in the night  ,   this means in our dark  ignorance  of not knowing God   at all   ,   I call this the ol sleep of Adam /  all of  humanity     as  Eve was  taken out of him  ,  she represents the mother  of all the living  in the earth
 
Adam  or all humanity  was never aware of what was going on with him while God done this   mighty work within him !

For me it is the same as the Christ being formed in them      ,  how would they know ?     

Here is what proved to me it is the FATHER ALONE WHOM   picks  and choses the    time and hour       for any one of us 

It is important to note Jesus was speaking to a Samaritan  Woman   when He gave this WORD  and  the Spirit of prophecy    to us all

Woman  you worship what you know not what !!  john 22
...21Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers....

  Again  notice it is the FATHER   ALONE who is doing this and sending the Christ within them to dwell with them   making a home within their hearts   , the heart is a type of throne     ,  or seated place to rule over  all the body    /  land ?     

  I just saw a  wonderful connection  in these things and hope to have explained it well enough , I struggle with  explaining what     I KNOW in my heart already and    dont share  often for this very  reason        ,  Never wanting to confuse    anyone 

  God bless   you all :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

   I got a revelation pertaining to "not one stone shall remain atop another". We are stones, and He is not going to allow men to place themselves between Him and His individual people anymore, in whatever capacity (priests or reverends) they have done so. The time is coming and now is, when all men will go up on the mountaintop to be taught of the Lord. My  :2c:..... Blessings....

Very interesting. It's amazing how things are hidden in plain sight in the scriptures.

:cloud9: I know....mind blowing isn't it? He never ceases to amaze me with what He had hidden. Blessings....

[Caffus]

I believe He is comming soon. But only Father knows the day and hour, like scripture says. I dont think its within this year...but I believe within the next 5 to 20 years. But, of course I could be wrong.  :Peace2:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I personally believe something astounding will happen between now and feast of Tabernacles 2016, the last of the blood moons. Blessings...

[idontknow]

I used to be into conspiracy stuff but so much of it never came true i quit reading into it. But i did see this video talking about the September thing and it made a lot of sense. It's about the CERN Hadron Collier and how they have the biggest collision coming up on September 23. They are talking about it opening up another dimension and possibly opening the gates of "hell".

I just thought it was interesting if nothing else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9PNdijDJCw

[UniversalSceptic]

I am skeptic about the blood moon meaning anything significant because even pastors that believe in the rapture and Hell are saying pretty much the exact same thing you are. I could be wrong, but aren't they the ones that are supposed to be misinterpreting scriptures based on their preconceived notions.

Further more, it seems the "moon turning to blood" is supposed to happen shortly before Christ returns. Well, the anti-Christ and the beast haven't even had their time on Earth yet. Aren't they suppose to unite the world and the Anti-Christ performs miracles to fool people into thinking he is Jesus Christ, and then they sort of become a dictatorship and executed those that refuse to take the mark of the beast? Revelations talks about the moon turning to blood when the sixth seal has been opened. Have any of the seals been open yet?

Here are some verses regarding the "blood moon"

Joel 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Revelation 6:12 I watched as he (Jesus) opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red

Acts 2:20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.

[sheila]

...just a consideration.....Jesus became the real daily[perpetual] sacrifice..on the cross...look for something related to that aspect of it.

      look for a move that attempts to 'void' those whose sins are forgiven[christians/believers] and their relationship with God..such things

  as beheading christians[severing them off from their head/Jesus Christ] etc. right to assemble/worship etc.

                            just food for thought.......I'm not claiming infallibiltiy in the matter.

         maybe it won't be fulfilled in the letter of the word of God[..but in the spirit of the 'word of God"

[sheila]

ps...sun/moon for signs/times/assemblies/appointments.  Moon symbol of female/church.....Jerusalem to clothe herself with her children

  as a bride decks herself with jewels...the covering of her in blood..can be all men[who have blood/not a spirit] or clothing herself with

the blood of the Lamb.

    the sun turning to darkness[sackcloth and ashes=repentance/prior to judgement/atonement.]....ex; repent in dust and ashes..so

   these celestial signs occurring/heralding...the coming of the Lord to judge..and apply His blood covering on the church.

    it's all a spiritual work of Father and Jesus.....when the Lord judges[black sun/repentance in dust and ashes]..the people learn

righteousness[Christ blood covering] clothed with the righteousness of God.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Here's how I see it. The natural mirrors the spiritual. It has to, it has no choice, it was set up after a spiritual pattern. We are not to be as a stargazer or soothsayer always watching for "signs" in the natural or hovering over the news for current events to match our preconceived ideas on what's going to happen when, both of which take our eyes off the Lord and instill fear, but I think it prudent to note that such things have coincided with dramatic events in the history of the world. My  :2c: Blessings...

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Well, having said that, then I stumbled across this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7MxvPNPVlk

[eaglesway]

The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.

:iagree:

What most people dont get(imo) is that the most significant sign is the Lord rising in His people.

"Until we all attain to the unity of the faith, unto a mature man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Son of God."