I read of the timing of Jesus' return years ago, but after years of working, raising a daughter, and various life changes, I lost track somewhat. Then the other day, I saw this: http://www.markbeast.com/70jubilees/jubileedates.htm
2015? I hunted down a file I had made, which I labeled "End Times Charts." In the file were two charts, one ID'd as having come from www.thefinal7yearsareherenow, the other had the www address cut half-off by my printer. Ah, well. Both charts point to 23 September 2015 (Day of Atonement) as the day of Jesus' return. Sounds wonderful, but what about that "no man knows the day or hour" statement by Jesus Himself.
Maybe not now, but I keep seeing signs of the coming times. I was with Barb the other day in a DAV store, and the old registers had all been replaced with some new and very minimalist style things using card readers only - NO cash drawer. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have seen this in development for awhile, and a cashless society will be surely followed by marking everyone with some non-transferrable ID. I note that the SDA publication "Signs of the Times" has not (as far as I can tell, as I don't read it cover to cover) caught this development.
Soon, but surely not next month... :sigh:
I plan to check out the links you posted.. I am expecting (I think) something to occur this september, what with the four blood moons and all, and usually these four types have marked something in history.. things concerning Israel.. (but the church/body is grafted into Israel so is now part of? :dontknow: )
I never believe any so called calendars and date setting, but I do think there may be a counting backwards sorta? 'calendar' in the verses of Daniel, chapter 12, verses 11 and 12.
Which basically says, 3.5 (Hebrew years, of 30 day months) plus thirty days aFter Israel's(?) (place of?) daily prayer, etc, is taken away or removed, the abomination which desolates (the 666 apparatus?) will be set up, and blessed is the one who comes to 45 days later. Causing me to ask what blessed thing occurs on the 45th day of 666? ..and day 1335 after the "daily sacrifice" is taken away? Usually thought to refer to a 3rd temple in Jerusalem and a resuming of the old animal sacrifices.. and that could be.. but I think of when the disciples said to Jesus how great the temple was and He said "see all these?" temple and temple complex (including walls?), "I tell you not one stone, shall remain atop another" - Mt 24:1,2.
So I wonder if the wailing wall will not be taken away, removed.. and this signify a countdown.. not a calendar, but a possible counting backwards.. I don't know how else Dn 12;11,12 can be read for one cannot wait for 1,290 (plus 45, which is waiting for 1,335) years... Which is how I've heard it interpreted which perhaps, in the duality of prophecy, may pertain in some way also..
just my :2c: (and thinking 'out loud') :smile: I'm leaving this tab up for the links, for in the morning, or sometime tomorrow.. Been studying a bit on the Jubilees.. which always occurred or began on an annual Day Of Atonement, DOA.. still researching/studying on this..
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
Personally, I try to just live my life, one day at a time. Yes, we know the signs Jesus mentioned, but we could find situations in all of human history that could have pointed to the end times. Only the Father knows, Jesus told us.
Whether I personally die, or the end of the world as we know it, comes, I still need to be ready everyday to meet Jesus. I need to live a life moment by moment,worthy of the name of Jesus.
I think that is the best way to prepare for the end. One day at a time............
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 2 Timothy 4:7
D.
:girlangel:
Quote from: Lazarus Short on August 09, 2015, 05:38:24 AM
Ah, well. Both charts point to 23 September 2015 (Day of Atonement) as the day of Jesus' return. Sounds wonderful, but what about that "no man knows the day or hour" statement by Jesus Himself.
That was actually exact timing. It are two very common idioms wrapped into one verse.
"Only the father knows" was as common reply when a betrothed boy was asked when he would marry. The boy had certain obligations like building a room (mansion) for his bride next to his father's house, furnishing it, etc. His father would regularly inspect the room so see it was ready and up to standard. Only then the boy would get the green light to steal his bride like a thief in the night. So the groom and bride didn't know the day. The stealing of the bride was at an hour unknown to her.
So the verse speaks about the wedding.
The other part speaks about Jewish New year.
http://tentmaker.org/forum/christian-life/the-new-testament-was-written-in-hebrew-(not-greek)/msg136467/#msg136467
Quote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
:iagree: :dsunny:
Quote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
:cloud9: I agree, but I also know it's extremely close and the blood moons were for signs.
@ Marie.....I got a revelation pertaining to "not one stone shall remain atop another". We are stones, and He is not going to allow men to place themselves between Him and His individual people anymore, in whatever capacity (priests or reverends) they have done so. The time is coming and now is, when all men will go up on the mountaintop to be taught of the Lord. My :2c:..... Blessings....
Quote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
:iagree:
Well said Shev
According to William Tapley, the return of Jesus is supposed to occur in fall 2017 but many speculate that the rapture will occur in September 2015.
Quote from: Cardinal on August 09, 2015, 06:11:58 PM
I got a revelation pertaining to "not one stone shall remain atop another". We are stones, and He is not going to allow men to place themselves between Him and His individual people anymore, in whatever capacity (priests or reverends) they have done so. The time is coming and now is, when all men will go up on the mountaintop to be taught of the Lord. My :2c:..... Blessings....
Very interesting. It's amazing how things are hidden in plain sight in the scriptures.
Double confirmation with Bex,here.
I find it interesting how and where people get these dates. I agree with Dandelion. None of us thinks of death 24/7 so neither should we keep thinking about the return of Christ.
Quote from: marie glen on August 09, 2015, 07:33:34 AM
I plan to check out the links you posted.. I am expecting (I think) something to occur this september, what with the four blood moons and all, and usually these four types have marked something in history.. things concerning Israel.. (but the church/body is grafted into Israel so is now part of? :dontknow: )
I never believe any so called calendars and date setting, but I do think there may be a counting backwards sorta? 'calendar' in the verses of Daniel, chapter 12, verses 11 and 12.
Which basically says, 3.5 (Hebrew years, of 30 day months) plus thirty days aFter Israel's(?) (place of?) daily prayer, etc, is taken away or removed, the abomination which desolates (the 666 apparatus?) will be set up, and blessed is the one who comes to 45 days later. Causing me to ask what blessed thing occurs on the 45th day of 666? ..and day 1335 after the "daily sacrifice" is taken away? Usually thought to refer to a 3rd temple in Jerusalem and a resuming of the old animal sacrifices.. and that could be.. but I think of when the disciples said to Jesus how great the temple was and He said "see all these?" temple and temple complex (including walls?), "I tell you not one stone, shall remain atop another" - Mt 24:1,2.
So I wonder if the wailing wall will not be taken away, removed.. and this signify a countdown.. not a calendar, but a possible counting backwards.. I don't know how else Dn 12;11,12 can be read for one cannot wait for 1,290 (plus 45, which is waiting for 1,335) years... Which is how I've heard it interpreted which perhaps, in the duality of prophecy, may pertain in some way also..
just my :2c: (and thinking 'out loud') :smile: I'm leaving this tab up for the links, for in the morning, or sometime tomorrow.. Been studying a bit on the Jubilees.. which always occurred or began on an annual Day Of Atonement, DOA.. still researching/studying on this..
Many speculate that the daily sacrifice taken away refers to the Holy Eucharist.
I thought rapture came after tribulation I thought pastor Anderson of youtube fame did a pretty good job of explaining it.
Amen Shev
no man knows the ways of God only the spirit of a man with the Holy Spirit of God working within them ...
If He is not spiritually awakened , this spirit is as the old testament proves to us over and over again he is a king of the earth and that is all he knows ..
the True and Living God dealt with many ''men in the old testament and they were used of God to speak on His behalf as divine instruments ''prophets to always warn , like trumpets blowing before a battle of Gods judgments in the earth or examples like King Neb whom was humbled and glorified God in the end after much tribulation
We now have the Son of God , the Lamb of God the Son of Man , Our Lord Jesus Christ , whom HIS WORD IS THE LAST WORD and the Word made flesh This testimony /WITNESS IS THE VERY
SPIRIT OF PROPHECY Dwelling within , I say this because Jesus Christ IS fulling all the law and prophets , Because He is the Master of the dead and the living , the dead are His to raise up, the Living are raised by Him already and with Him
It is a powerful truth
the WORD judges us all If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto ME , this Being the Christ in you being Lifted up '' anointing '' being found in Jesus Christ
Word judge you
47"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world,
but to save the world. 48"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him;
the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. 49"For I did not speak on My own initiative,
but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
QuoteQuote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
Now , I just wanted to share what comforted me personally ,
I feel as if the Lord grated me some peace after searching and asking Him for the truth about these things and way to precious not to share with others
Noted Jesus Says
HE WAS sent by the Father ,,, no man knows the day or hour Matt 24 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,
but the Father alone. 37"For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah....
He is sent to lay down His life and to take it up again , this was to make Him Master / ruler over
all things of heaven and earth and below!!!!
John 10 17"For this reason the Father loves Me, because
I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18
"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative.
I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father." After seeing this I can see Christ return !!!!Being sent of the Father , but why ? and How ? and what for ?
This was why , and How and what for , Jesus comes as the thief in the night , this means in our dark ignorance of not knowing God at all , I call this the ol sleep of Adam / all of humanity as Eve was taken out of him , she represents the mother of all the living in the earth
Adam or all humanity was never aware of what was going on with him while God done this mighty work within him !
For me it is the same as the Christ being formed in them , how would they know ?
Here is what proved to me it is the FATHER ALONE WHOM picks and choses the time and hour for any one of us
It is important to note Jesus was speaking to a
Samaritan Woman when He gave this WORD and the Spirit of prophecy to us all
Woman you worship what you know not what !! john 22
...21Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know,
for salvation is from the Jews. 23
"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.... Again notice it is the FATHER ALONE who is doing this and sending the Christ within them to dwell with them making a home within their hearts , the heart is a type of throne , or seated place to rule over all the body / land ?
I just saw a wonderful connection in these things and hope to have explained it well enough , I struggle with explaining what I KNOW in my heart already and dont share often for this very reason , Never wanting to confuse anyone
God bless you all :HeartThrob:
Quote from: bushy on August 09, 2015, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 09, 2015, 06:11:58 PM
I got a revelation pertaining to "not one stone shall remain atop another". We are stones, and He is not going to allow men to place themselves between Him and His individual people anymore, in whatever capacity (priests or reverends) they have done so. The time is coming and now is, when all men will go up on the mountaintop to be taught of the Lord. My :2c:..... Blessings....
Very interesting. It's amazing how things are hidden in plain sight in the scriptures.
:cloud9: I know....mind blowing isn't it? He never ceases to amaze me with what He had hidden. Blessings....
I believe He is comming soon. But only Father knows the day and hour, like scripture says. I dont think its within this year...but I believe within the next 5 to 20 years. But, of course I could be wrong. :Peace2:
:cloud9: I personally believe something astounding will happen between now and feast of Tabernacles 2016, the last of the blood moons. Blessings...
I used to be into conspiracy stuff but so much of it never came true i quit reading into it. But i did see this video talking about the September thing and it made a lot of sense. It's about the CERN Hadron Collier and how they have the biggest collision coming up on September 23. They are talking about it opening up another dimension and possibly opening the gates of "hell".
I just thought it was interesting if nothing else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9PNdijDJCw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9PNdijDJCw)
I am skeptic about the blood moon meaning anything significant because even pastors that believe in the rapture and Hell are saying pretty much the exact same thing you are. I could be wrong, but aren't they the ones that are supposed to be misinterpreting scriptures based on their preconceived notions.
Further more, it seems the "moon turning to blood" is supposed to happen shortly before Christ returns. Well, the anti-Christ and the beast haven't even had their time on Earth yet. Aren't they suppose to unite the world and the Anti-Christ performs miracles to fool people into thinking he is Jesus Christ, and then they sort of become a dictatorship and executed those that refuse to take the mark of the beast? Revelations talks about the moon turning to blood when the sixth seal has been opened. Have any of the seals been open yet?
Here are some verses regarding the "blood moon"
Joel 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
Revelation 6:12 I watched as he (Jesus) opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red
Acts 2:20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
...just a consideration.....Jesus became the real daily[perpetual] sacrifice..on the cross...look for something related to that aspect of it.
look for a move that attempts to 'void' those whose sins are forgiven[christians/believers] and their relationship with God..such things
as beheading christians[severing them off from their head/Jesus Christ] etc. right to assemble/worship etc.
just food for thought.......I'm not claiming infallibiltiy in the matter.
maybe it won't be fulfilled in the letter of the word of God[..but in the spirit of the 'word of God"
ps...sun/moon for signs/times/assemblies/appointments. Moon symbol of female/church.....Jerusalem to clothe herself with her children
as a bride decks herself with jewels...the covering of her in blood..can be all men[who have blood/not a spirit] or clothing herself with
the blood of the Lamb.
the sun turning to darkness[sackcloth and ashes=repentance/prior to judgement/atonement.]....ex; repent in dust and ashes..so
these celestial signs occurring/heralding...the coming of the Lord to judge..and apply His blood covering on the church.
it's all a spiritual work of Father and Jesus.....when the Lord judges[black sun/repentance in dust and ashes]..the people learn
righteousness[Christ blood covering] clothed with the righteousness of God.
:cloud9: Here's how I see it. The natural mirrors the spiritual. It has to, it has no choice, it was set up after a spiritual pattern. We are not to be as a stargazer or soothsayer always watching for "signs" in the natural or hovering over the news for current events to match our preconceived ideas on what's going to happen when, both of which take our eyes off the Lord and instill fear, but I think it prudent to note that such things have coincided with dramatic events in the history of the world. My :2c: Blessings...
:cloud9: Well, having said that, then I stumbled across this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7MxvPNPVlk
Quote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
:iagree:
What most people dont get(imo) is that the most significant sign is the Lord rising in His people.
"Until we all attain to the unity of the faith, unto a mature man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Son of God."
Quote from: eaglesway on August 16, 2015, 06:16:42 AM
Quote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
:iagree:
What most people dont get(imo) is that the most significant sign is the Lord rising in His people.
"Until we all attain to the unity of the faith, unto a mature man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Son of God."
Doubledown :iagree: :dsunny:
Let's go on a whim and say that nothing happens between now and 2016 will that change anything?
Quote from: Cardinal on August 16, 2015, 04:06:51 AM
:cloud9: Here's how I see it. The natural mirrors the spiritual. It has to, it has no choice, it was set up after a spiritual pattern. We are not to be as a stargazer or soothsayer always watching for "signs" in the natural or hovering over the news for current events to match our preconceived ideas on what's going to happen when, both of which take our eyes off the Lord and instill fear, but I think it prudent to note that such things have coincided with dramatic events in the history of the world. My :2c: Blessings...
With all due respect, Renee M is not a reliable source since like Harold Camping, she has made failed predictions about the end of the world before and sells books talking about it.
Quote from: Aerex on August 16, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
Let's go on a whim and say that nothing happens between now and 2016 will that change anything?
It doesn't, but sometimes it seems people get so enamoured with the end of the world, which I get, but then they ignore scriptures. They see "moon turning to blood", so that means that since we have a "blood moon" it means the end of the world, but there is still a lot that needs to happen.
Now full disclosure: My journey began four years ago, and it has slowly and surely molded me as a person, but there is still a lot of work to do. I will admit that despite my efforts, my old life still influences me much more than God's will. However, something didn't sit right about the blood moon being the end of the world, so I researched and found the scriptures i had previously listed.
I feel we fall into error when our beliefs line up with those who preach a Hell of everlasting torment like John Hagee, or we believe someone, who has failed to predict the end of the world before like Renee Moses.
Quote from: UniversalSceptic on August 16, 2015, 04:41:49 PM
Quote from: Aerex on August 16, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
Let's go on a whim and say that nothing happens between now and 2016 will that change anything?
It doesn't, but sometimes it seems people get so enamoured with the end of the world, which I get, but then they ignore scriptures. They see "moon turning to blood", so that means that since we have a "blood moon" it means the end of the world, but there is still a lot that needs to happen.
Now full disclosure: My journey began four years ago, and it has slowly and surely molded me as a person, but there is still a lot of work to do. I will admit that despite my efforts, my old life still influences me much more than God's will. However, something didn't sit right about the blood moon being the end of the world, so I researched and found the scriptures i had previously listed.
I feel we fall into error when our beliefs line up with those who preach a Hell of everlasting torment like John Hagee, or we believe someone, who has failed to predict the end of the world before like Renee Moses.
So well my motives may be carnal, I don't believe that invalidates any of my points. This has all come from what I have to come learn about universalism and how it is the "black sheep" of the Church.
Quote from: UniversalSceptic on August 16, 2015, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Cardinal on August 16, 2015, 04:06:51 AM
:cloud9: Here's how I see it. The natural mirrors the spiritual. It has to, it has no choice, it was set up after a spiritual pattern. We are not to be as a stargazer or soothsayer always watching for "signs" in the natural or hovering over the news for current events to match our preconceived ideas on what's going to happen when, both of which take our eyes off the Lord and instill fear, but I think it prudent to note that such things have coincided with dramatic events in the history of the world. My :2c: Blessings...
With all due respect, Renee M is not a reliable source since like Harold Camping, she has made failed predictions about the end of the world before and sells books talking about it.
:cloud9: I don't have any idea who Renee M is.... :dontknow:
well..even the foolish virgins/churches..hear the announcement 'the Bridegroom cometh!.......and all the virgins arose
the parable of the 10 virgins and the wedding feast parables are not strictly, or even primarily "end of the world/age" parables to me.
The weddding feast symblolizes the union of the bride and the Lamb. The invitation, "The bridegroom comes", is a call that goes out from time to time. Those who hear that call rise up and go, their side vessels full of oil because they have been waiting upon the Lord.... for He has prepared a feasting, a celebration, a manifestation, an epiphany.
Periodically moves of restoration and renovation in the house of God occur. The Bride comes down out of heaven(the body of Chist revealed among men). The glory of God is revealed in the earth in periods of revival, great and small throughout time and all over the world.
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.(Jn 4:23)
Some of the words for Christ's coming are "epiphanea"...."parousia"...."erchomai"...
ephiphanea representing the glorious supernatural manifestation of gods to the Greeks, but also meaning a wonderful inner revelation, from which we draw the word "epiphany".
erchomai, the most common, representing...
I. to come;
1. properly,
a. of persons; α. universally, to come from one place into another,
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
parousia, having the meaning of presence, to become present.
"Whenever two or more of you gather in my name there I am in the midst of you"..
I believe in the literal second advent of Jesus in history to come....an advent event, but I think believers would be better served to listen for His coming now in their midst, "Today if you hear His voice....." because they will miss what He is doing in the earth today, among His people, while running about gathering info on events in the world that look like they could signal His historical coming, and when a move of God begins somewhere, into which He would have called them in the night as theyt lay sleeping, they will miss it....
being too busy with this or that to respond to the invite, not having enough spirit to leap through the portal before it closes...
Like the letters to the churches in the apocalypse... Jesus is writing letters now, "To the church in......your town"
What is He saying? Is He sending out an invite to a feast, a celebration, a union of the Bride and the Lamb, a Gathering?"
The "Day of the Lord" has been used since the prophets in a dualist manner speaking of both judgments and advents in their times and the ultimate advent to come. We are children of the Day walking in the Day, among whom the Day is dawning and unto whom it will come in full noon, full bloom at the first resurrection when he rolls back the veil in the heavens(imo).
But unless we have kept our ear to the ground and listened in this aspect of the Day.... "Today, if you hear His voice".... we may not be able to hear His voice on that first Day to come(I am coming in the clouds and my reward is with me).....remaining at rest in the ground until the second resurrection when all the dead will hear His voice and come forth.
Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.
28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Quote from: eaglesway on August 16, 2015, 09:15:30 PM
I believe in the literal second advent of Jesus in history to come....an advent event, but I think believers would be better served to listen for His coming now in their midst, "Today if you hear His voice....." because they will miss what He is doing in the earth today, among His people, while running about gathering info on events in the world that look like they could signal His historical coming, and when a move of God begins somewhere, into which He would have called them in the night as theyt lay sleeping, they will miss it....
being too busy with this or that to respond to the invite, not having enough spirit to leap through the portal before it closes...
Like the letters to the churches in the apocalypse... Jesus is writing letters now, "To the church in......your town"
What is He saying? Is He sending out an invite to a feast, a celebration, a union of the Bride and the Lamb, a Gathering?"
The "Day of the Lord" has been used since the prophets in a dualist manner speaking of both judgments and advents in their times and the ultimate advent to come. We are children of the Day walking in the Day, among whom the Day is dawning and unto whom it will come in full noon, full bloom at the first resurrection when he rolls back the veil in the heavens(imo).
But unless we have kept our ear to the ground and listened in this aspect of the Day.... "Today, if you hear His voice".... we may not be able to hear His voice on that first Day to come(I am coming in the clouds and my reward is with me).....remaining at rest in the ground until the second resurrection when all the dead will hear His voice and come forth.
Amen! I so agree, eaglesway.
:iagree: :Gclap:
Quote from: Cardinal on August 15, 2015, 04:11:38 PM
:cloud9: I personally believe something astounding will happen between now and feast of Tabernacles 2016, the last of the blood moons. Blessings...
I hope you're right...personally, I can hardly wait for Christ to return and set things straight...I get awfully tierd of this world all the evil, hatered and misunderstandings..blocked communacation ect. It's painful, yet I know I need to rely on Him and be a thankful servant. He'll make things right in His time. This trust in Him gives me strenght to keep going.
:cloud9: Me too....at this point I don't know if I'll see it in my flesh, but either way, it's good. Blessings.....
Quote from: Cardinal on August 19, 2015, 04:47:22 AM
:cloud9: Me too....at this point I don't know if I'll see it in my flesh, but either way, it's good. Blessings.....
Believe your own words/dream/visions and you know the answer with 100% certainty..
Quote from: WhiteWings on August 19, 2015, 05:31:44 PM
Believe your own words/dream/visions and you know the answer with 100% certainty..
I thought the bible said no man will know the hour? :declare:
Matthew 24:36: "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Quote from: HungerForTruth on August 19, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on August 19, 2015, 05:31:44 PM
Believe your own words/dream/visions and you know the answer with 100% certainty..
I thought the bible said no man will know the hour? :declare:
Matthew 24:36: "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
I wasn't talking about that verse (or any verse for that matter) at all.
But in response to the verse that's so often quoted:
With an Greek/Hellenistic mindset it indeed can be read as something unknow.
But with an Jewish/Hebraic mindset as used by Jesus it's the total opposite. It pinpoints the exact day; but not year which can be found elsewhere.
The verse is about timing and marriage :declare:
Also see the idiom thread.
QuoteI thought the bible said no man will know the hour? :declare:
Matthew 24:36: "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Hi Hunger
I do believe the Holy SPIRIT lets the spirit know al things concerning Gods will
the very spirit of prophecy is JESUS CHRIST testimony , and those whom hold this treasure in their bosom , has Christ with them and the Father and ALL that has already been gathered from the beginning and your picked up along the way as being a partaker with the LIVING from among the dead
I consider the dead being those whom have no clue about God , like I was for the most part of my natural life , before Christ come to give my Light /or Life from the dead
No man knows the Time and hour because it is the THE FATHER ONLY whom is seeking , looking in our hearts and showing great mercy to us , by allowing us to worship Him in SPIRIT & TRUTH in the here and now , by the holy spirit WITNESS , its the broken hearted and contrite'' feeling or expressing remorse or penitence; affected by guilt ''repenting '' ones that desire change and Him who is LIFE , God is the God of the living , not the dead
dead can and does mean many thing to many people , not just a rotting body that the breath of life has left , this being the the most literal sense of meaning to me ...
:cloud9: Where IS the idiom thread? I was looking for it yesterday? :dontknow:
ok - but the verse I quoted above says not even the Son knows. So.....uh - I think the Son has the Spirit and He does not know? So why would any man or woman?
Quote from: Cardinal on August 20, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
:cloud9: Where IS the idiom thread? I was looking for it yesterday? :dontknow:
http://tentmaker.org/forum/christian-life/the-new-testament-was-written-in-hebrew-(not-greek)/msg112599/#msg112599
Seems like that site was wrong about its predictions? Maybe we should just live our lives as usual until Jesus returns.
..not so fast....the bridegroom delayeth.....new crescent moon not wittnessed due to unprecedented sandstorm in Israel. what's up?
some say sept 30th marks new moon. like I said...I am not claiming infallibility in this matter...ultimately it is God and Jesus
who keep all of the divine appointments in regard to the divine arrangement of His feast's. we are to not judge thoseto whom everyday
is the same/nor those to whom some days are seen as spiritually significant..
I watch..........
signs in the heavens and signs in the earth. I also note with interest...the washing away of people in the floodwaters at ZION NATIONAL
PARK...I see these things as 'signs in the earth" as someone who was literally almost washed away of floodwaters off a highway in
1982...and also spiritually almost washed away of floodwaters..these things are significant to me.
after almost drowning in the floodwaters..and coming home...I opened the scriptures to this; Psalms 18;16 He reached down
from on high and took hold of me;He drew me out of deep waters.
Rev 12;15 then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river,to overtake the woman and wash her away of the flood.
Rev 20;8,9 in number they are like the sand on the seashore..they ,marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp
of God's people,the city He loves.
I am not a 'sign seeker' nor do I pray for 'signs' but I see them...from the Euphrates being cut off when Isis advanced..to
to sanstorms/floods/towers falling/stockmarket crashes/bloodmoons/eclipse/earthquakes increasing in both frequency and
magnitude. wars and rumours of wars. The disciples had asked 'What will be the sign of Thy coming?"
....persecutions/famines etc.
Quote from: Aerex on September 23, 2015, 03:31:43 PM
Seems like that site was wrong about its predictions? Maybe we should just live our lives as usual until Jesus returns.
Amen Aerex! Date setters are now on a streak of approximately 0 for 7,152,352,444. You can't fault their bounce-back-ability though! :laughing7:
Sheila, I take the Euphrates drying up recently, due to dams in Turkey cutting of the flow, causing water shortages downstream, as a sign, an historical marker, anchoring us right now, in our time, as we live an breath, to the pouring out of the sixth plague. Seeing this I understood that the previous five plagues have already been poured out, and that they are symbolic of spiritual plagues, not literal ones. This drying up of the great river Euphrates is a back reference to the Persian King, Cyrus, marching his army across the dry riverbed to conquer ancient Babylon, and I believe it's also a forward reference to what we can expect to be happening very soon, not armies literally marching across the riverbed, but a sudden attack on spiritual Babylon, which will herald its downfall.
I see this in the sixth and seventh plagues, and also in the seventh trumpet. The last three trumpets are three woes, which implicate Islam. In 1838 a man named Josiah Litch, using the day for a year principle of Biblical prophecy, and the hour, day, month and year of the sixth trumpet, or 391 years and two weeks, accurately predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire two years before it took place, in 1840, on August 11th, to the day. He was a laughing stock, but thousands flocked to the Adventist movement when it happened. So I think it's arguably reasonable to say that the 7th trumpet sounded on 9/11, ushering in the third woe, and I expect something to soon happen which will make that event pale by comparison, an event which consequences are reflected in the 7th plague, a great shaking up of the whole world, first though an extremely violent, dramatic, destructive strike against the beast system, followed by great economic upheaval and collapse, followed by great demand from the people of the world, those who still have something to lose, fueled by massive propaganda, for peace and security, at any cost, that mainly being the ideology or lives of anybody who deviates from the beastly norm which, in America, entails Bible-believing, fundamentalist Christians.
The world simply and quite reasonably, so to speak, won't be able to tolerate any sort of radical anything anymore, as a practical, moral necessity, for the sake of oneness, unity and the good of all, and so adherence to conformity will be the patriotic duty of all the world's people, every island (nation), and mountain (worldly power) fleeing or disappearing, being subsumed, surrendering autonomy and sovereignty to the beast system, for a short time, that great city Babylon being divided into, comprised of three parts, beast, false prophet and dragon, or Rome, America and the United Nations. And for a short time I expect people will believe they've successfully weathered a great storm, having pulled themselves up from the brink of total disaster by their own bootstraps. most quite willing to turn a blind eye to the elimination of Bible-believing fanatics, and then Jesus will come, like a thief, collecting His faithful dead and living to Himself, just before leaving the world to go stark, raving mad. But keep your chin up and your eyes on the prize, which is Jesus Christ. Things are going to look very bad for a while, but the eventual, happy ending is assured.
Looking forward to His Coming!
Mark
Quote from: rosered on August 10, 2015, 03:08:43 PM
Amen Shev
no man knows the ways of God only the spirit of a man with the Holy Spirit of God working within them ...
If He is not spiritually awakened , this spirit is as the old testament proves to us over and over again he is a king of the earth and that is all he knows ..
the True and Living God dealt with many "men in the old testament and they were used of God to speak on His behalf as divine instruments "prophets to always warn , like trumpets blowing before a battle of Gods judgments in the earth or examples like King Neb whom was humbled and glorified God in the end after much tribulation
We now have the Son of God , the Lamb of God the Son of Man , Our Lord Jesus Christ , whom HIS WORD IS THE LAST WORD and the Word made flesh This testimony /WITNESS IS THE VERY SPIRIT OF PROPHECY Dwelling within , I say this because Jesus Christ IS fulling all the law and prophets , Because He is the Master of the dead and the living , the dead are His to raise up, the Living are raised by Him already and with Him
It is a powerful truth the WORD judges us all If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto ME , this Being the Christ in you being Lifted up " anointing " being found in Jesus Christ
Word judge you
47"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. 49"For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
QuoteQuote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
Now , I just wanted to share what comforted me personally ,
I feel as if the Lord grated me some peace after searching and asking Him for the truth about these things and way to precious not to share with others
Noted Jesus Says HE WAS sent by the Father ,,, no man knows the day or hour Matt 24 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37"For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah....
He is sent to lay down His life and to take it up again , this was to make Him Master / ruler over all things of heaven and earth and below!!!!
John 10 17"For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."
After seeing this I can see Christ return !!!!Being sent of the Father , but why ? and How ? and what for ?
This was why , and How and what for , Jesus comes as the thief in the night , this means in our dark ignorance of not knowing God at all , I call this the ol sleep of Adam / all of humanity as Eve was taken out of him , she represents the mother of all the living in the earth
Adam or all humanity was never aware of what was going on with him while God done this mighty work within him !
For me it is the same as the Christ being formed in them , how would they know ?
Here is what proved to me it is the FATHER ALONE WHOM picks and choses the time and hour for any one of us
It is important to note Jesus was speaking to a Samaritan Woman when He gave this WORD and the Spirit of prophecy to us all
Woman you worship what you know not what !! john 22
...21Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers....
Again notice it is the FATHER ALONE who is doing this and sending the Christ within them to dwell with them making a home within their hearts , the heart is a type of throne , or seated place to rule over all the body / land ?
I just saw a wonderful connection in these things and hope to have explained it well enough , I struggle with explaining what I KNOW in my heart already and dont share often for this very reason , Never wanting to confuse anyone
God bless you all :HeartThrob:
Rose, these have been my thoughts as of late as well! I was thinking of making a post on here but I just found yours here. Interesting perspective...I have been trying to sort it all out. :thumbsup: :HeartThrob:
God bless your heart God is love ,
I have noted you have received much of the Lord in a short time , for your age , I was way slow to learn ''quickly '' mine come from the school of hard knocks , usually though the experiences did it begin to'' quicken '' give life as the flesh was beaten out of me lol ...
Spent , I know it is the Lord still dealing with us and to never give up .
I have read many of old posts here from many that I never ''got at the time '' but the seeds were sown '' [ being here many years after Kingdom talk , Bill Gorton has completed his days of flesh]
I look at these as see that the'' seed is Christ ''/anointing /Word of God by the Spirit of God to quicken them in His own choosing in us , giving Life and in that way can see that we do eat His body and drink His blood , those fresh crushed grapes and as a drink offering ] Paul touches on , that we might have LIFE in us
I do the Word /Bible as the mirror also to look in His word as see the Christ working in us , and how we can relate to these examples /tests also working in us
For me , it is an inward working first and foremost , and cannot be viewed with observing some other folks and some other time and some other way
It is the Christ in you the Hope of glory to honor our Father on the earth as it is in heaven , this is how the pure in heart shall see Jesus and when you see Jesus you have seen the FATHER , IT IS JESUS CHRIST LIFE AND PURE HEART working within us giving life and His dying for you , laying down His life and to take it back up again we do rise and fall on the Rock of our salvation , the ladder of Jacob , the messengers with the life and death in the power of the tongue , that only Jesus can tame , for me taken very personally ...
Many of folks do not , see it this personally , but how can love be expressed in any other way but personally ?
Love is a union / covenant of all working together as ONE , ONE SPIRIT ,ONE FAITH ,ONE HOPE, ONE BAPTISM How can it work ? , if one does not agree with the other to KEEP , what is promised to do ? I do believe whole heartedly , it starts within us and is connected with one another , wherever they are at in the Lord to keep faithful to HIM [ THE GATHERING rooted and grounded in Christ / Love of God manifested to us , this union of the FATHER &SON =Holy Spirit and all that is gathered with Him already .. I am one who believes that , the SON IS Presenting to the FATHER OF GLORY Already , the moment we bow the knee to let Jesus Christ rule our hearts , we belong to God and are not our own ..
And what of the rest of the world and those whom we not given this glory in the earth ?
But was as simple as Jesus Christ own Words that He never spoke on His own initiative , but the WORDS OF GOD HIMSELF ,
This simple understanding in John 3 ;16 For God so loved the world that HE GAVE his only begotten son that whomsoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting Life ... that simple they have the faith that the Father give them to believe and that was all it took
For those whom have not bowed the knee upon death of their flesh and blood that could never inherit eternal life anyways , WILL bow the knee the moment they see whom they have pierced ,,,
Every Eye shall see Him and mourn , I believe the only difference , is some if not all of us will bear some shame and others glory they did not even expect in how they pleased God , without faith it is impossible to please Him , but that faith , if it be hid in the earth or out like a Light shining in a dark place
Is the Word spoken that all will judged by , Some have more and more required of them , some have less , much less and less required of them , But God in his Mercy has fixed the whole thing AS HIS PERFECT WORK .AND ALL FOR HIS GLORY , none will glory except in the LORD !!! :HeartThrob:
John 12 47"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him;
for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
48"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him;
the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
49"For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me
has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak....
We speak what we know in the Light / Children of the Day , the DAY IS CHRIST THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD AND IS IN YOU AND GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU THAN IN THE WORLD ! a dark world at that ! like a star that shines in a dark night of our souls we sit and wait on Him to come and rise up in you and do the works of the Father with the Son and all that are already gathered in Him , being the Holy Spirit that increases with the increase of God daily as a sacrifice to give the world the Light of Life in His love to be completed by Him , for Him and because of Him only ... do we all live Glory to God in the highest as a peace and good will towards all mankind ...
John 3 ...10J esus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? 11"Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. 12"If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?...
Earthly things we speak .. the lower realm and waters , flood waters of death in them,lies , falsehood an evil , we are in earth [temporary realm ]
Seeing it historically of course , but that is the natural and this is the human and carnal reality of all mankind at first to be carnally minded is death ,, pretty plain speech to me ,,,, many never can get past this part of it .... I know that struggle between the life and death
double minded , death and life is instability , this is the tree of knowledge of good and evil , and so very , very many are in the battle of their lives in this place ... mind over matter , the substance of our faith is the hope of Christ's return in you we are overcoming death by the Life in Christ , it is the Spirit of truth ,,,,
I can only read Revelation knowing it was all Spiritual language , John was in the Spirit on the Lords DAY , When the LORDS DAY comes to us we KNOW THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING to us to open up the scriptures /seals for us
And revelation is so confusing for the carnal minded man who cannot open the seals of the book of Life , only that lamb can , you are His lambs and lambs blood is required , being innocent , pure in heart will SEE GOD in all His glory in the end
Those that endure to the end shall be saved , full complete and entire without want because God is HIS ALL , just as Jesus showed us the Father is His :HeartThrob:
This went so long and am so sorry , most want quick fix answers , but God is teaching us all to wait on Him , this is the hardest part in my opinion ,,,
We get in trouble when we don't wait on HIM , this is in the Word and also my own experiences lol .. school of hard knocks and fiery trials and trails all along the way ... and never looking back.... or ever want to go though it again ..... it wears you out !
God bless you for your inquiring and precious heart hope you can read this, rushing though thoughts in miles per minutes , but this is always how the Lord has come though to me personally ... like the rush of a mighty wind .. :friendstu:
:Book:
We walk in the Spirit by faith, not by sight , that really really opened my eyes ,
like wake upsleepy head ,, lol pun intended :laughing7:
One thing I noticed when the Lord took Eve [mother of all the living ]out of Adam /both as ONE that God joined together, and no man can cut in two [she was hid within him at first] Just as Jesus Christ and the Church bride of Christ is in Jesus , come out of his side , I believe at the cross when He was pierced with the spear and it gushed out blood and water / the grapes crushed for new wine and living waters ]
Adam was put in a deep sleep when Eve come forth and it is never noted that he awoke out of that sleep TILL he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil , then their eyes were opened :eek:
Same as Jesus Christ put to a deep sleep of death on that cross 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth and the Bride come forth out of Him
This is just mine own observations here , I believe the Holy Spirit is teaching .. and no man can cut them apart , or separate
This was the comparing the accounts with each other ..
Nothing can separate the love of God , what God has joined together let no man cut asunder apart; divided.
"those whom God hath joined together let no man put asunder"
synonyms: apart, up, in two; More
into pieces ONE FAITH ONE HOPE ONE Eph 4 Unity in the Body
...4There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all....
Romans 8:31-39New Living Translation (NLT)
What shall we say about such wonderful things as these?
If God is for us, who can ever be against us?
Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won't he also give us everything else?
Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God's right hand, pleading for us.
Can anything ever separate us from Christ's love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? (As the Scriptures say,
"For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.") No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.
And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God's love. No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Much more coming together as ONE :HeartThrob:
:cloud9: :cloud9: that was awesome to read, Rose! .."taken from Adam's side.. pierced in His side.." etc! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
p.s. - definitely holy spirit, Rose.. none of us are smart enough to think like that.. :smile: :dsunny:
Quote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
I believe opposite of this. I believe it is a Mystery but also believe that Jesus is telling us when. For example, Peter tells us not to be ignorant that a Day is as a 1000 years and a 1000 years as a Day with God. I believe that at the end of 2 DAYS that Christ will rise up his Chosen. I believe that to be from the time of when He was crucified. Now if Jesus was crucified in 30AD then the end of 2 days would be 2030. That means on 2030 we begin the 3rd day which is really the 7th day overall.
I believe Jesus wanted us to know this because even though He says that He would come as a thief in the night He also says that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come that he would not suffer his house to be robbed and goes unto tell us to watch. So obviously we need to be the goodman and KNOW the time at which the Thief shall come. I believe Christ is telling us that time.
I believe He will come to the Chosen. I believe the Chosen are those chosen to reign with Christ during His 1000 year reign. This is because the New Testament parallels the type from the Old Testament. In the Old Testament the Chosen was actually the Levites. They had to be chosen first before the rest of the congregation could be sanctified. This is what is happening in this dispensation.
Therefore, we have something immediately before us that is quite awesome indeed for this means the 7th day and also known as the 3rd day (from the crucifixion) is right ahead of us.
Quote from: Caffus on August 15, 2015, 06:44:19 AM
I believe He is comming soon. But only Father knows the day and hour, like scripture says. I dont think its within this year...but I believe within the next 5 to 20 years. But, of course I could be wrong. :Peace2:
Only the Father reveals the time. The Father reveals it to His Children.
I have heard some say they believe as if the Father doesn't reveal it to His Children but that would be contrary to Him.
Quote from: trettep on January 11, 2016, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: Shev on August 09, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
The kingdom does not come with careful observation, for it is within you. I don't think the rising of Christ within His people can be charted, diagrammed, dated or set down in any way, being a spiritual mystery.
I believe opposite of this. I believe it is a Mystery but also believe that Jesus is telling us when. For example, Peter tells us not to be ignorant that a Day is as a 1000 years and a 1000 years as a Day with God. I believe that at the end of 2 DAYS that Christ will rise up his Chosen. I believe that to be from the time of when He was crucified. Now if Jesus was crucified in 30AD then the end of 2 days would be 2030. That means on 2030 we begin the 3rd day which is really the 7th day overall.
I believe Jesus wanted us to know this because even though He says that He would come as a thief in the night He also says that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come that he would not suffer his house to be robbed and goes unto tell us to watch. So obviously we need to be the goodman and KNOW the time at which the Thief shall come. I believe Christ is telling us that time.
I believe He will come to the Chosen. I believe the Chosen are those chosen to reign with Christ during His 1000 year reign. This is because the New Testament parallels the type from the Old Testament. In the Old Testament the Chosen was actually the Levites. They had to be chosen first before the rest of the congregation could be sanctified. This is what is happening in this dispensation.
Therefore, we have something immediately before us that is quite awesome indeed for this means the 7th day and also known as the 3rd day (from the crucifixion) is right ahead of us.
:cloud9: I agree. The 7th day and the 3rd day are a double Sabbath, too. Blessings...
Quote from: marie glen on January 11, 2016, 06:35:07 PM
:cloud9: :cloud9: that was awesome to read, Rose! .."taken from Adam's side.. pierced in His side.." etc! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
p.s. - definitely holy spirit, Rose.. none of us are smart enough to think like that.. :smile: :dsunny:
I agree, thanks for the responses Rose :) I really have to dig in and read your posts but I'm always rewarded :)
Quote from: GodIsLove on January 13, 2016, 03:46:45 AM
Quote from: marie glen on January 11, 2016, 06:35:07 PM
:cloud9: :cloud9: that was awesome to read, Rose! .."taken from Adam's side.. pierced in His side.." etc! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
p.s. - definitely holy spirit, Rose.. none of us are smart enough to think like that.. :smile: :dsunny:
I agree, thanks for the responses Rose :) I really have to dig in and read your posts but I'm always rewarded :)
God bless your heart for wanting to dig in , The Lord Jesus gave that desire to you as He has me also and all here that have come and gone and a few remain .
I do believe it is tasting the Lord and knowing He is good [Psalms ] and the thirsting and hungering after His righteousness and the need to be filled by the Holy Spirit
as the Word of prophecy remains always a TRUTH , Jesus is the reward to the full :HeartThrob:
You bless my heart so much as the seeds of Life are planted in our hearts and we wait on the Lord to give the increase , the bud , the flower and than the fruit of Gods blessings
:friendstu: