Physical bodily resurrection of the dead

[marie glen]

How did we get from
"I came that you might have life, and more abundantly"
to
"I can't wait to die, and 'go to heaven'?"

Well, I can think of one. What if you are just so tired of living in the flesh, that you are prepared to finally experience God now? That you do not want just a small sliver of the experience, but to finally have that veil removed, where all is restored, and all is in God? That we may finally be able to see His face in all of His Glory?   :2c:

...that someone could be living in a very war torn, dangerous and, or oppressive land.. or may be suffering a long held infirmity.. or unable to come to grips with life or past trauma and suffer depression.. :Chinscratch: They need our prayers for them to find their Lord, so they can have life more abundant.. :HeartThrob:

[eaglesway]

Well, I can think of one. What if you are just so tired of living in the flesh, that you are prepared to finally experience God now? That you do not want just a small sliver of the experience, but to finally have that veil removed, where all is restored, and all is in God? That we may finally be able to see His face in all of His Glory?   :2c:

Amen... It doesnt really matter if we define an experience we cannot conceive of- especially for the purpose of debate. It is that desire you speak of that caused Paul to say that he was torn, desiring to be in the presence of the Lord but knowing that his presence here was needful for the present.

We are on the Potters wheel. Trial and tribulation, like fire to the purifying of our faiths. Torn between the desire to see Him as He is and exult in the glory of God, but also knowing that we have a remnant of the body of Christ in us, filling up the cup of His suffering. Being shaped, being filled, being poured, despairing but not forsaken.

There is no shame in longing to be clothed with immortality.

I would think there would only be shame for making confident assertions about things that have not yet been made fully known.

[WhiteWings]

I tend not to believe wholly one way or another on the details.

My only thought is that if a bodily resurrection happens it isn't our exact human fleshly body because:

What about people who are blown up/horribly disfigured upon death?
What about people who live life with a physical disability or deformity?
What about those who are cremated?
What about decomposition after death?

So my thoughts are it must be different from our current body if that's what happens.

Don't forget the main cause of death, age.
Don't ask me for proof, because I have non; but I believe everyone in heaven is 30 years old. The age of  a priest...

[bbyrd009]

How did we get from
"I came that you might have life, and more abundantly"
to
"I can't wait to die, and 'go to heaven'?"

Well, I can think of one. What if you are just so tired of living in the flesh, that you are prepared to finally experience God now? That you do not want just a small sliver of the experience, but to finally have that veil removed, where all is restored, and all is in God? That we may finally be able to see His face in all of His Glory?   :2c:

ha to that i would say "exactly." We quote Paul as stating "absent from the body is present with the Lord," right, when Paul was not saying that at all, but rather "seek to please God right where you are at." Which begins "We have all made up our minds, I say, and not only that, but we also wish that we were already dead and partying with Jesus..." to paraphrase the passage in one possible interpretation.

So iow your perspective there is pretty common, i think, and we might even contemplate the lesson of Esau, despising his birthright, etc. If one is tired of living in the flesh then they should leave the world, imo. If one is truly "prepared" to experience God now, then they would be experiencing God now, in life, would they not? Even if you meant "prepared" differently there, "i wanna."

[bbyrd009]

How did we get from
"I came that you might have life, and more abundantly"
to
"I can't wait to die, and 'go to heaven'?"

Well, I can think of one. What if you are just so tired of living in the flesh, that you are prepared to finally experience God now? That you do not want just a small sliver of the experience, but to finally have that veil removed, where all is restored, and all is in God? That we may finally be able to see His face in all of His Glory?   :2c:

...that someone could be living in a very war torn, dangerous and, or oppressive land.. or may be suffering a long held infirmity.. or unable to come to grips with life or past trauma and suffer depression...

"i know that we have all not only made up our minds, i say, but also wish that we were already dead (absent from the body) and kicking it with Jesus (present with the Lord); however..."

"That we may finally be able to see His face in all of His Glory?"

"the dead know nothing."

[bbyrd009]

There is no shame in longing to be clothed with immortality.

"take no thought for the morrow..."

even if i agree with you, there is no shame in that. The shame might come in looking for that in tomorrow, saving up manna for tomorrow, perceiving some "heaven" as a place that one may attain only after they have physically died, etc

[bbyrd009]

I tend not to believe wholly one way or another on the details.

My only thought is that if a bodily resurrection happens it isn't our exact human fleshly body because:

What about people who are blown up/horribly disfigured upon death?
What about people who live life with a physical disability or deformity?
What about those who are cremated?
What about decomposition after death?

So my thoughts are it must be different from our current body if that's what happens.

Don't forget the main cause of death, age.
Don't ask me for proof, because I have non; but I believe everyone in heaven is 30 years old. The age of  a priest...

the kingdom of heaven is within you

[sheila]

no one is greater than his Master. Luke12;50But I have a baptism to undergo and how distressed I am until it is completed.....

but for the JOY that was placed before him He endured.Our conversation here..dwelt on the hope of the resurrection...and

in faith we ponder these things.as far as I know any authority you may possess is to feed..not beat or strike.

God's presence is here..and in us...whatever ye do unto one of these least that believe in me,ye as the same have done unto me

you may want to change your approach,just sayin.  bread at the proper time? :2c:

Jesus also said..when you see these things occur..lookup,your deliverance draws nigh.Jesus was recieved UP.


naval gazing[the kingdom of heaven in me and there is no other]can make you miss out on the great crowd of wittness"s that

surround you.Hebrews 12;1-4

  Therefore,since we are surrounded by such a great crowdof wittnesses,let us throw off everything that hinders,and the sin

that so easily entangles,and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus,the author

and perfector of our faith,who for the joy set before Him endured the cross,scorning it's SHAME,and sat down at the right hand

of the throne of God.

  I read "take no thought as to what we eat and drink,wear etc.".as being overly concerned for the things in this temporal life

    some people's heart/treasures are on the earth,some in heaven...

[marie glen]

Don't forget the main cause of death, age.
Don't ask me for proof, because I have non; but I believe everyone in heaven is 30 years old. The age of  a priest...

              :thumbsup: For some reason my thought is always all in the kingdom will be 33, idk why.. other than for some reason I like double numbers.. :doh:

[marie glen]

"i know that we have all not only made up our minds, i say, but also wish that we were already dead (absent from the body) and kicking it with Jesus (present with the Lord); however..."

"That we may finally be able to see His face in all of His Glory?"

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If one is truly "prepared" to experience God now, then they would be experiencing God now, in life, would they not?

"the dead know nothing."

            :thumbsup: "the truth sets free!" no reason to not be kicking it up with Jesus now.. :gsmile:

[marie glen]

I tend not to believe wholly one way or another on the details.

My only thought is that if a bodily resurrection happens it isn't our exact human fleshly body because:

What about people who are blown up/horribly disfigured upon death?
What about people who live life with a physical disability or deformity?
What about those who are cremated?
What about decomposition after death?

So my thoughts are it must be different from our current body if that's what happens.

Don't forget the main cause of death, age.
Don't ask me for proof, because I have non; but I believe everyone in heaven is 30 years old. The age of  a priest...

the kingdom of heaven is within you

...And praise the Lord, one day it will also be fully without!  :dsunny: :banana: "..the lion will eat straw like the ox, the bear will graze with the cow" Is. 11:7 .... :cloud9:

[rosered]

I tend not to believe wholly one way or another on the details.

My only thought is that if a bodily resurrection happens it isn't our exact human fleshly body because:

What about people who are blown up/horribly disfigured upon death?
What about people who live life with a physical disability or deformity?
What about those who are cremated?
What about decomposition after death?

So my thoughts are it must be different from our current body if that's what happens.

Don't forget the main cause of death, age.
Don't ask me for proof, because I have non; but I believe everyone in heaven is 30 years old. The age of  a priest...

the kingdom of heaven is within you

  It   is  :thumbsup:   
  I was taking Paul  to mean  he was  serving God by serving everyone  still ,but would rather be  in the Spirit 100%


I am  beginning to see the Token of the Holy Spirit   as being in and out of it at different times in our lives ,
not always walking in the Sprint  100%  or maybe the inner man of the heart is getting stronger and the outer man of our carnal nature  is  actually dying  off ,loosing power over the body.

  I can come read here in my  natural carnal mind and it sounds nuts 
But when reading   some times the Spirit quickens something and  experience a  '' well being ''or ''being well ''.

   There is two minds , one is of Christ /Truth , the other is of the world /error    and they battle over your body to posses it 

  Cains warning by God to rule over it and not let it rule over him . GEN 4;6  Seems Cain was always angry .

There are some scriptures  about  the inner man of the heart and outer man (Rom. 7:22; 2 Cor. 4:16) and that struggle .

Most folks never  give it a second thought  though , they can go though  this life and not ever  consider God what so ever .

Because their gods  are in their  desires and they are many .

So  being an enemy  of Jesus on that cross  and Him saying,Forgive them Father ,they do not know what they are doing ..

He always knew  what was in their hearts  , but they had no clue .

  Jer 17

  9"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?

10"I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds....

[jabcat]

Don't forget the main cause of death, age.
Don't ask me for proof, because I have non; but I believe everyone in heaven is 30 years old. The age of  a priest...

              :thumbsup: For some reason my thought is always all in the kingdom will be 33, idk why.. other than for some reason I like double numbers.. :doh:

:)  My wife's mother (a saint) passed away from cancer several years ago.  They were very close.  She had a dream where her mother came to her and she was young.  I thought I remembered what she'd told me, but before saying anything to her about this tonight, I asked her how old her mother was in the dream she had.  She said "30".   :Peace2:

[WhiteWings]

See people. I'm not always talking nonsense 30

Marieglen is an exception in heaven, she will be 3030 years old. The only one in a wheelchair  :laugh:

[bbyrd009]

"i know that we have all not only made up our minds, i say, but also wish that we were already dead (absent from the body) and kicking it with Jesus (present with the Lord); however..."

"That we may finally be able to see His face in all of His Glory?"

-------------
If one is truly "prepared" to experience God now, then they would be experiencing God now, in life, would they not?

"the dead know nothing."

            :thumbsup: "the truth sets free!" no reason to not be kicking it up with Jesus now.. :gsmile:

word

[marie glen]

Don't forget the main cause of death, age.
Don't ask me for proof, because I have non; but I believe everyone in heaven is 30 years old. The age of  a priest...

              :thumbsup: For some reason my thought is always all in the kingdom will be 33, idk why.. other than for some reason I like double numbers.. :doh:

:)  My wife's mother (a saint) passed away from cancer several years ago.  They were very close.  She had a dream where her mother came to her and she was young.  I thought I remembered what she'd told me, but before saying anything to her about this tonight, I asked her how old her mother was in the dream she had.  She said "30".   :Peace2:

:thumbsup: :cloud9:

See people. I'm not always talking nonsense 30

Marieglen is an exception in heaven, she will be 3030 years old. The only one in a wheelchair  :laugh:

   Wha's at you say sonny?  :laugh2:

[GodIsLove]

I tend not to believe wholly one way or another on the details.

My only thought is that if a bodily resurrection happens it isn't our exact human fleshly body because:

What about people who are blown up/horribly disfigured upon death?
What about people who live life with a physical disability or deformity?
What about those who are cremated?
What about decomposition after death?

So my thoughts are it must be different from our current body if that's what happens.

Don't forget the main cause of death, age.
Don't ask me for proof, because I have non; but I believe everyone in heaven is 30 years old. The age of  a priest...

the kingdom of heaven is within you

  It   is  :thumbsup:   
  I was taking Paul  to mean  he was  serving God by serving everyone  still ,but would rather be  in the Spirit 100%


I am  beginning to see the Token of the Holy Spirit   as being in and out of it at different times in our lives ,
not always walking in the Sprint  100%  or maybe the inner man of the heart is getting stronger and the outer man of our carnal nature  is  actually dying  off ,loosing power over the body.

  I can come read here in my  natural carnal mind and it sounds nuts 
But when reading   some times the Spirit quickens something and  experience a  " well being "or "being well ".

   There is two minds , one is of Christ /Truth , the other is of the world /error    and they battle over your body to posses it 

  Cains warning by God to rule over it and not let it rule over him . GEN 4;6  Seems Cain was always angry .

There are some scriptures  about  the inner man of the heart and outer man (Rom. 7:22; 2 Cor. 4:16) and that struggle .

Most folks never  give it a second thought  though , they can go though  this life and not ever  consider God what so ever .

Because their gods  are in their  desires and they are many .

So  being an enemy  of Jesus on that cross  and Him saying,Forgive them Father ,they do not know what they are doing ..

He always knew  what was in their hearts  , but they had no clue .

  Jer 17

  9"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?

10"I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds....

Rose I love that you sometimes talk about how the spiritual nature is in us and other times it's the carnal nature. I feel like that too, but no one talks about it that way so I feel alone sometimes because of the duality. It's like my connection is sometimes staticky! Or I'm distracted by the cares of the world. It's a subtle thing.

[rosered]

  Quote  from GodIsLove

Rose I love that you sometimes talk about how the spiritual nature is in us and other times it's the carnal nature. I feel like that too, but no one talks about it that way so I feel alone sometimes because of the duality. It's like my connection is sometimes staticky! Or I'm distracted by the cares of the world. It's a subtle thing.

Amen sis ,
   Me too ! If it wasn't  for the  times  of being recharged  ,a lot like  a battery does to an engine  ,   the  negative  and positive  charges   ,  and making us move  , I would no doubt feel dead to God  :sigh:

But God has a way of making it happen more and more , than when I first believed many moons ago .He knows just what we need  sis  and increase our faith and strength  , what ever else we need in that moment .

Waking up to these refreshing thoughts  , mostly in the early mornings and thank Him for this new day and start and for His help  to do what is pleasing  in His sight  .

  I love it that you responded like you did , Thanks  for that  , sometimes you wonder if you really are alone  :friendstu:

   love and hugs sis   :HeartThrob:
 

[GodIsLove]

  Quote  from GodIsLove

Rose I love that you sometimes talk about how the spiritual nature is in us and other times it's the carnal nature. I feel like that too, but no one talks about it that way so I feel alone sometimes because of the duality. It's like my connection is sometimes staticky! Or I'm distracted by the cares of the world. It's a subtle thing.

Amen sis ,
   Me too ! If it wasn't  for the  times  of being recharged  ,a lot like  a battery does to an engine  ,   the  negative  and positive  charges   ,  and making us move  , I would no doubt feel dead to God  :sigh:

But God has a way of making it happen more and more , than when I first believed many moons ago .He knows just what we need  sis  and increase our faith and strength  , what ever else we need in that moment .

Waking up to these refreshing thoughts  , mostly in the early mornings and thank Him for this new day and start and for His help  to do what is pleasing  in His sight  .

  I love it that you responded like you did , Thanks  for that  , sometimes you wonder if you really are alone  :friendstu:

   love and hugs sis   :HeartThrob:

:friendstu: :HeartThrob:

[fire walker]

from my personal point of view I  hear Paul saying the  followi
Paul did struggle with the flesh just as all of us do , not always in the spirit not always in the flesh, sometimes he could not tell weather in the body or out of the body, when he sinned it was no longer
paul that sinned it is sin that dwells in the flesh.
    He would rather be absent from the body and present
with the Lord.
      blessings, fire walker




Blessings , fire walker




             

[rosered]

from my personal point of view I  hear Paul saying the  followi
Paul did struggle with the flesh just as all of us do , not always in the spirit not always in the flesh, sometimes he could not tell weather in the body or out of the body, when he sinned it was no longer
paul that sinned it is sin that dwells in the flesh.
    He would rather be absent from the body and present
with the Lord.
      blessings, fire walker




Blessings , fire walker




             

  Amen Fire walker  :thumbsup:

  I am thankful  for those scriptures  ,that help us not feel so alone and  thank you for the reminder  brother  :friendstu:

[bbyrd009]

He would rather be absent from the body and present
with the Lord.

seems right, huh, until you go read it, and it does not say that at all
note the variance in several translations,
http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/5-8.htm
which are all scribed i guess, but at least you might note that it is "we" who are "confident," not "I" as in "I, Paul, am confident."
iow Paul is using "we" here to mean "you," but in such a way so as to not be offensive to a reader
and then read from the Lex,
http://biblehub.com/lexicon/2_corinthians/5-8.htm
wherein the "new" Strong's has written out "made up one's mind" for "good courage," but i can still track it down if you like

[bbyrd009]

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/2_corinthians/5-8.htm

"we have not only made up our minds, i tell you, but also wish that we were already dead and partying with Jesus."

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/2_corinthians/5-9.htm

"However, what we should be doing is seeking to please God where we are, right now."

[rosered]

     

Comparing the scripture of   Paul's  body of death ,[Romans 7 ]   he was still suffering   for the cause of Christ ,

  and desire to help those whom  were still in the same prison  of the old mindset   of their thinking .

  Preaching the cross of Jesus Christ bringing in the new covenant  agreement   and its good news of the gospel .

  He would have much rather be free  from the   mortal bondage and all the sin nature  around him  and maybe still in him  , who can   say otherwise ?  and 100% in the Spirit  , to me  :2c:

He was careful not to stumble  those whom  had no faith  and was willing to share with those whose knowledge    was limited  about the Lord .

[eaglesway]

I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."

Matthew 17:29