Lowered?

[WhiteWings]

WW

   WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CORRUPTIBLE OUTER IMAGE..YOU SEE SIN....

The animal outside. (animated by the animal soul)

THERE IS AN INNER MAN BEING RENEWED DAY BY DAY

The inner spirit that I described as "something extra".
Renewed.... For some likely yes. For many not. For most veiled and heavily sedated...



   

THE OUTER MAN WILL PERISH[BODY OF DEATH]  THE INNER MAN WILL BE DELIVERED FROM HIS BODY OF DEATH

Sheila (all) that's not the point I'm arguing about. It's a Biblical view. My point is that UNTIL what you just wrote happens we are nothing like God.

[WhiteWings]

Almost nothing.

I think that's a bit harsh lol.  Don't you see people as more generally a mix of good and evil?

I found a good verse about the image of God.
^ACVLuke 23
34 And Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they are doing exactly whay YOU would do :2c:

[Molly]

7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

--2 Cor 4

[WhiteWings]

Power in a vessel with the lit firmly screwed on.The vessel needs to be broken.

[jabcat]

John 12:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

I see the need to post no more... we must die!

Paul

Hi Paul.  Do you mean this spiritually? Or more so literally, as in "it is appointed unto man once to die", i.e., the natural death of this flesh that eventually through the course of this life comes to us all?  Thanks, James.

[Beloved Servant]

If Jesus is the Savior of all mankind;
is that:

spirit?
soul?
body?

[WhiteWings]

I think that's also a matter of opinion BS.

Was the old body of Jesus resurrected?

a] Yes Jesus walked around in His old body because the tomb was empty.
b] No. It was a new body.
c] It was His body as it was before He came to earth.
d] ....


My opinion; The Bible is a spiritual book that doesn't care much about the things that are seen.
Mankind is not the vessel but what's inside (spirit).
For me the body is the vessel. The soul is what animates the body.

[Molly]

We are being saved spirit, soul, and body, in that order--from the inside out.


And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us.
--Rom 8:23

[Molly]

I think that's also a matter of opinion BS.

Was the old body of Jesus resurrected?

a] Yes Jesus walked around in His old body because the tomb was empty.
b] No. It was a new body.
c] It was His body as it was before He came to earth.
d] ....


My opinion; The Bible is a spiritual book that doesn't care much about the things that are seen.
Mankind is not the vessel but what's inside (spirit).
For me the body is the vessel. The soul is what animates the body.

His old body was vivified by the quickening Spirit.

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
--1Cor 15:45


John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

[WhiteWings]

Is a vivified body still the same?
Say someone lives in a tiny run down wooden shack.
It gets renovated (vivified) into a huge extremely luxerious mansion.
Is it still your old shack?

[Molly]

Is a vivified body still the same?
Say someone lives in a tiny run down wooden shack.
It gets renovated (vivified) into a huge extremely luxerious mansion.
Is it still your old shack?

I would say, yes and no. :winkgrin:

[Molly]

My point is that UNTIL what you just wrote happens we are nothing like God.

Well, that's what we are debating here.  And, I say, you might be right except for...


Adam...who was a pattern of the one to come.
Adam...who was a type of the one to come.
Adam...who was an image of the one to come.
Adam...who is the figure of him that was to come.
Adam...who is a picture of him that was to come.

Adam is a son of God, and we get more from our parents than just the color of our eyes.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
--Rev 22

[thinktank]

If Jesus is the Savior of all mankind;
is that:

spirit?
soul?
body?

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm Not sure about the unbelievers or those who's name is not written in the lambs book of life.
The scriptures show that their spirit will be saved in the lake of fire
1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

But not sure what happens to their soul and body.

An ongoing study

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

[eaglesway]

Is a vivified body still the same?
Say someone lives in a tiny run down wooden shack.
It gets renovated (vivified) into a huge extremely luxerious mansion.
Is it still your old shack?

I would say, yes and no. :winkgrin:

2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared(phanaroo-manifest, shown, made visible, been revealed) as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

Behold, I make all things new!   :o)

[sheila]

 clothe us in garments[body]    we will be clothed[even the prodigals] in a best robe   impermeable to sin and corruption...

   our filthy rags[dusty bodies of flesh and blood weak rended garments] shall be 'CHANGED" 

    the new bodies are made of Light////that is why we arecalled 'children of the light'.......if one of these beings came into a room of total darkness

   the light comes from inside them...the features are just as a human[image of God] Also they can change form and appear just like a human[decrease

   watts if you will]

    Enoch describes the putting on of this garment....and He became like ONE OF GOD'S GLORIOUS ONES

    this is the Glory God is going to bestow upon man in His image....after humbling him in a meager weak form........He deems His children needed to

  expierence want/hardship/poverty/vanity in his youth   Pr 29;21  If a man pampers his servant from youth,He will bring greif in the end.


when a youth you can not discern a servant from an heir,so yes, ww I can recognize your point..


   WW , NOW REGARDING the destinction of the godly from the the godless.   I give you this word....

   Mal 3;18   and you WILL AGAIN SEE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE WICKED,BETWEEN THOSE WHO SERVE GOD

  AND THOSE WHO DO NOT

     
  when you see a drunken bum in the gutter,you need to acknowledge that he problably has no idea of the GLORY that awaits him

  when Jesus healed the ten lepers..only one came back to praise God for it....He asked where the other nine were


    those who are forgiven most..love most...those who suffered most rejoice most, those dwelling under stress appreciate peace most

   those who suffered great want...appreciate supply greatly, those who are lonely appreciate companionship   those who were condemned

appreciate mercy most, those who died appreciate LIFE MOST


     the WHOLE CREATION GROANS FOR THE REVEALING OF THE SONS OF GOD....to see the very thing you speak of......IT IS COMING....

   until it arrives...what can we do...but by the spirit of Christ put to death the deeds of the body[such as wrath,pride,greed,hate,lust]

   if everyone should handle their own serpents and cast them in the fire...there would be a lot less firey serpents in our gathering togather.

    If we be concerned with seeing to HIS SPIRITUAL HOUSE...He will certainly see to ours.....


       Each member of the body,contributing according to the gift in them..for the building up of all..in love

   at present all we have is a token of what our inheritance will be...WW.  We can only display what He has given us

      Love to you all

[eaglesway]

Some things are so new you can't kno em till they manifest ;o)

[micah7:9]

I think what wings is saying is that if man was created in Gods image then, he should be perfect and therefore not fail the test of the tree, or to not have high and lofty thoughts of becoming like God.

That's niot what I intended to say. But it's a very good example.
God can not sin. But His image can't stop sinning.... :dontknow:

:thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

I think that's also a matter of opinion BS.

Was the old body of Jesus resurrected?

a] Yes Jesus walked around in His old body because the tomb was empty.
b] No. It was a new body.
c] It was His body as it was before He came to earth.
d] ....


My opinion; The Bible is a spiritual book that doesn't care much about the things that are seen.
Mankind is not the vessel but what's inside (spirit).
For me the body is the vessel. The soul is what animates the body.

:thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

Well, as for me, Im led to just but this subject(for me  anyway I hope) in with the two TABOO subjects. 
Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Molly]

clothe us in garments[body]    we will be clothed[even the prodigals] in a best robe   impermeable to sin and corruption...

   our filthy rags[dusty bodies of flesh and blood weak rended garments] shall be 'CHANGED" 

    the new bodies are made of Light////that is why we arecalled 'children of the light'.......if one of these beings came into a room of total darkness

   the light comes from inside them...the features are just as a human[image of God] Also they can change form and appear just like a human[decrease

   watts if you will]

    Enoch describes the putting on of this garment....and He became like ONE OF GOD'S GLORIOUS ONES

    this is the Glory God is going to bestow upon man in His image....after humbling him in a meager weak form........He deems His children needed to

  expierence want/hardship/poverty/vanity in his youth   Pr 29;21  If a man pampers his servant from youth,He will bring greif in the end.


when a youth you can not discern a servant from an heir,so yes, ww I can recognize your point..


   WW , NOW REGARDING the destinction of the godly from the the godless.   I give you this word....

   Mal 3;18   and you WILL AGAIN SEE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE WICKED,BETWEEN THOSE WHO SERVE GOD

  AND THOSE WHO DO NOT

     
  when you see a drunken bum in the gutter,you need to acknowledge that he problably has no idea of the GLORY that awaits him

  when Jesus healed the ten lepers..only one came back to praise God for it....He asked where the other nine were


    those who are forgiven most..love most...those who suffered most rejoice most, those dwelling under stress appreciate peace most

   those who suffered great want...appreciate supply greatly, those who are lonely appreciate companionship   those who were condemned

appreciate mercy most, those who died appreciate LIFE MOST


     the WHOLE CREATION GROANS FOR THE REVEALING OF THE SONS OF GOD....to see the very thing you speak of......IT IS COMING....

   until it arrives...what can we do...but by the spirit of Christ put to death the deeds of the body[such as wrath,pride,greed,hate,lust]

   if everyone should handle their own serpents and cast them in the fire...there would be a lot less firey serpents in our gathering togather.

    If we be concerned with seeing to HIS SPIRITUAL HOUSE...He will certainly see to ours.....


       Each member of the body,contributing according to the gift in them..for the building up of all..in love

   at present all we have is a token of what our inheritance will be...WW.  We can only display what He has given us

      Love to you all

Thank you for this GEM.  :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

My point is that UNTIL what you just wrote happens we are nothing like God.

Well, that's what we are debating here.  And, I say, you might be right except for...


Adam...who was a pattern of the one to come.
Adam...who was a type of the one to come.
Adam...who was an image of the one to come.
Adam...who is the figure of him that was to come.
Adam...who is a picture of him that was to come.

Thanks for making my point Molly  :hihat:
Who is the greatest Adam (aka pattern, image, type, picture, figure) or Jesus.

Adam is a son of God, and we get more from our parents than just the color of our eyes.

You got eyes like burning embers like your father?  :laughing7:

[thinktank]

You have forgotten the rock scripture already Molly. Christ was/is a rock in the old testament. Adams no rock, more like sand. That same sand structure is the structure that humanity is built upon, hence all in Adam die, but all in Christ shall be made alive.

Adam is only human strength - Christ is Godly strength that helps us to overcome the world and the devil. Be of good cheer I have overcome the world and give you power over all the power of the enemy.

They that rest upon the arm of men shall fail, but those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength and fly like an Eagle.

[Molly]

You have forgotten the rock scripture already Molly. Christ was/is a rock in the old testament. Adams no rock, more like sand. That same sand structure is the structure that humanity is built upon, hence all in Adam die, but all in Christ shall be made alive.

Adam is only human strength - Christ is Godly strength that helps us to overcome the world and the devil. Be of good cheer I have overcome the world and give you power over all the power of the enemy.

They that rest upon the arm of men shall fail, but those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength and fly like an Eagle.

I have not forgotten.

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ.
--Gal 3:16


Rom 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

We see the promise is to the seed and is by faith.  Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.  Why is that?  Why is faith counted as righteousness?

Because we cannot have faith without Jesus--the author and perfector of our faith and the author of our salvation.

My argument and defense would be this:  The seed was always present with Man, both inside and outside the man Adam from day one.  Unlike Jesus, Adam does not have God's permission to die for his bride, but when he does, YHWH clothes him in the skin of beasts [the lamb?] and follows him outside the garden.  Why does he do this, unless God has planted his seed inside the man? 

the seed is the word of God. [Lk 8:11]

As we gaze on him, how else could we become more like him?

2Cor 3:18 So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord--who is the Spirit--makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.

What is the veil?  Is it not the carnal mind arising from this body of corruption?  But that veil can be removed such that deep can talk to deep, Christ to Christ..such that...

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

--Rom 8

[Beloved Servant]

deep can talk to deep, Christ to Christ

The two witnesses!

[Molly]

deep can talk to deep, Christ to Christ

The two witnesses!

Behind the Veil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZtuEeMIq7Q