I survived beyond and back ....

[rosered]

 
I was not sure to put this out there ,

   but would love some feedback and  see what you think  about this .

My question ,   Can it be that ?    Is faith in God born sometimes though death  experiences  ?

I realize not all  experience  this kind of  awakening , but still can we  believe  those that do ?

I find it most encouraging  honestly  , and think there is more , so much more than this mortal life to look forward to.

  First off I was watching is tv program called , ''I survived '' beyond and back ..

   It is about folks testimonies   of  death  in the natural  condition and  their own encounter with God .

I was surprised when watching  this one  man , being a   heart doctor that  really never   had much thought about God  in his lifetime  , but   was a doctor that   took care of heart patients and  repaired damage   and care etc .

  Well he ended up having a massive heart attack   and when wheeled into the emergency room , a fellow doctor and friend was the one working on him  , and  it shook  that doctor up pretty bad and kept trying to bring him back for about an hour , but the last 15 minutes   , this dying  doctor was dead  , flat lined and gone .

This other Doctor kept working on him frantically  , doing everything he knew to do over and over again ..

  Well the doctor    revived    and when he come back  from death , the other doctor asked him  what did you see , was it all  , like they say or was it just your brain shutting down   and your electrical  field  out of  wack    and nothingness  etc..
 
This Doctor  went on to tell him his experience  .
This man was calm  and  reasonable   in explaining   what he had been though in that hour  to this other doctor and to the  show  when relaying this story

He said ,   I went  though a dark tunnel   at first and saw in the distance a bright light   , so I began to  go towards this bright light   and the closer I got to it the more alive I felt   and  a love  and peace  I never really felt   before .
 
Now this is the part that makes me  share this  with you guys .
  He said , I never realized this before , but I felt like where I was my whole life was like dead  before  now .

  So  that is what  got me ,  He was drawing closer to God   and the closer he got the more he felt  the love of God  though him

This changed his  life  and his mind about the people whom have faith in God   from than on  and I thought it was  pretty awesome ,  because there is more to life than any of us can imagine and  when we literally  die and   we have a whole lot more to experience  than sleeping in the grave .

I also thought of the scriptures  in James that speaks of drawing  closer to God , and how can do this now and experience Gods love  within us  and share those experiences with others   that faith and hope and love  perfects  /completes  in anyone whom  the Lord draws  into Himself ..all men  unto Him ..  , we do not have to literally die first , but  let that carnal mind die  out   that is about the world and temporary glory   , because it is death and  wars against the Spirit of Life  without end ..

James 4:8 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.


  So much more to keep looking  up  to Jesus  the Light of world  and the Glory of the Father  and experience   salvation  now .If we can just believe and obey , hear His voice and live .....



 
 

[Ross]

Satan is known as the angel of light;
2 Cor 11;14,15 " For Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
                         So no great surprise if his servants too disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
                         Their end will be according to their works."

Would be advising check out their experience carefully- not assuming their description to be real. Many false doctrines "claim" spiritual insight or visions.

HOWEVER;
Phil 1;18 " What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
               Christ is proclaimed; and in that I will rejoice."

I.M.O seems these experiences will at least make them aware of life to come, just not quite accurate on the how this will come about.
All this planting the seed for something big which is brewing nicely.

[rosered]

Satan is known as the angel of light;
2 Cor 11;14,15 " For Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
                         So no great surprise if his servants too disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
                         Their end will be according to their works."

Would be advising check out their experience carefully- not assuming their description to be real. Many false doctrines "claim" spiritual insight or visions.

HOWEVER;
Phil 1;18 " What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
               Christ is proclaimed; and in that I will rejoice."

I.M.O seems these experiences will at least make them aware of life to come, just not quite accurate on the how this will come about.
All this planting the seed for something big which is brewing nicely.

  Thank you Ross for your reply  ,

I agree that the  magical hoopla of this world is  of the false image  and a great deceiver  and if it were possible even the very elect would be deceived ..

But that is just it Bro Ross those   that appear holy before men , God knows their dark hearts  , they have only fooled themselves  and others that gaze upon the flesh  , seeking that earthly kingdom and glory , it is FAKE  and hypocrisy  and very , very temporary . 

But on the other hand ,

I do believe all things are possible with GOD .

  God  is all power and glory belongs to Him   ,  and  faith comes by hearing  and to be careful how  you hear   what the Holy Spirit is saying ....

It really is judgment to anyone  , in a good way or bad  way on  How they handle the Word of Life ..     

I am convinced that the wrath of God is for a moment[Psalms 30;5 Isaiah 54  , just as this life is for a moment [Jame 4;14] , and Satan  has a short time [rev 12;12] .. all by the scriptures testifying of them  as truth   for every generation  to experience  the Word of God  .

This all is fleeting  , but Gods mercy endures forever and is eternal life   .

I do believe when we see Him,  every false image we had of the Father will  be confirmed in the moment of Change .

Because  salvation is of God only . The knowledge will end and the Love  will be forever known to all , Jesus Christ is the victory over death  being the last enemy to overcome though Him .

To me He  was always  there  , ready and willing and able  to receive His children  , just as the prodigal  sons  learned though suffering in the world and it offered nothing but torment and  just what was   waiting for Him when he went back  home to humble himself before his Father .His Fathers  Truth in  love and life would  perfect him /complete him .

Jesus says one   has to die  , this being a single seed/Word of God  in order to bear much fruit  .

  Jesus Christ death in John 12 was the first fruits of the increase of Gods grace coming upon all mankind , The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak    , in our weakness HE /Spirit &Word of truth   is our strength  .
In Adam all die but in Christ all shall be made alive   and I believe it will be  so very easy for  HIM TO DO IT.  Make Alive .

[Ross]

To me He  was always  there  , ready and willing and able  to receive His children  , just as the prodigal  sons learned though suffering in the world and it offered nothing but torment and  just what was   waiting for Him when he went back  home to humble himself before his Father .His Fathers  Truth in  love and life would  perfect him /complete him .

Amen!
The learning is sooo necessary to appreciate and comprehend the  whole process.
And He is still there- the preparation is nearly done and the return/implementation of the next age right on the proverbial cusp.
Watching the news and weather seems to  suggest the next age happening soon[ still a few years, but closer every day].

[WhiteWings]

Standard NDE

Satan is known as the angel of light;
2 Cor 11;14,15 " For Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
                         So no great surprise if his servants too disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
                         Their end will be according to their works."

Would be advising check out their experience carefully- not assuming their description to be real. Many false doctrines "claim" spiritual insight or visions.

I wonder satan has power control life and death.

HOWEVER;
Phil 1;18 " What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
               Christ is proclaimed; and in that I will rejoice."

I.M.O seems these experiences will at least make them aware of life to come, just not quite accurate on the how this will come about.
All this planting the seed for something big which is brewing nicely.

I've read quite a few NDE's and very often it has a (very) positive effect on the relation with God. Surely not what satan wants. If satan is really involved in NDEs I would guess he wouldn't appear as Jesus but as some pagan god.

:2c:

[rosered]

Standard NDE

Satan is known as the angel of light;
2 Cor 11;14,15 " For Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
                         So no great surprise if his servants too disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
                         Their end will be according to their works."

Would be advising check out their experience carefully- not assuming their description to be real. Many false doctrines "claim" spiritual insight or visions.

I wonder satan has power control life and death.

HOWEVER;
Phil 1;18 " What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
               Christ is proclaimed; and in that I will rejoice."

I.M.O seems these experiences will at least make them aware of life to come, just not quite accurate on the how this will come about.
All this planting the seed for something big which is brewing nicely.

I've read quite a few NDE's and very often it has a (very) positive effect on the relation with God. Surely not what satan wants. If satan is really involved in NDEs I would guess he wouldn't appear as Jesus but as some pagan god.

:2c:

  Those are great Points bro T ! 

I know that Jesus Christ is the Lord of   the dead and the living   , I would think He come to destroy the works of the devil .

Would that not be to raise the dead to Life again . death being the last enemy .

We all agree to that    praise God !!!   ,

Just how its done is still  a mystery to    many this side of the veil , that is His flesh unto the second veil Heaven itself .it was Spiritual flesh , Showing us  this by the transformation on the mount is our proof  that believe  Matt 17

I am under the impression that HE /The Lamb of God shed His blood  and done this once for all time ... and considered the fullness of time  according to scripture [Gal 4 ] this pattern  in  the earthly witness  , birth, life and death  , but the SPIRIT always, was, is and will be ,  heavenly pattern  we can see in  Gen 1 .He made mankind in His image also the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.   and rested on the 7 day  this day to me is Jesus Christ  ,''the  last day and  WORD ''and  Lord of SABBATH rest Gen 2   3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.


Hebrews 9 8By this arrangement the Holy Spirit was showing that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.

  For me ,This is saying , The body Gods Spirit   had prepared for Him   and sent  in the likeness of sinful flesh , but He is the WORD made flesh  in order to  spread the  seed/ word  it had to die  first to bring forth new life from this  seed / Word  that would not return to  GOD void , by pouring out His Spirit/truth   on all flesh , this to me includes  everyone   whom is awakened  to  truth  & Life  by His own sacrifice of Himself  making the new covenant  immediately in effect by the grace of God  that no one was  righteous of themselves  to receive  because all have sinned  and are dead under the  first law that brings  death  to every human  ever born    .

9It is an illustration for the present time, because the gifts and sacrifices being offered were unable to cleanse the conscience of the worshiper. 10They consist only in food and drink and special washings—external regulations imposed until the time of reform.

Redemption through His Blood

11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come,a He entered the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hands (that is, not of this creation).
12He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves, but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

13For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that their bodies are clean,

14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify our consciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God!

15Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

16In the case of a will, it is necessary to establish the death of the one who made it, 17because a will does not take effect until the one who made it has died; it cannot be executed while he is still alive.

I have one more thing to say about this  plea to please  consider thinking about , I have truly considered   what Paul said   when  one was taken up unto the 3rd heaven , I believe when he was called out and chosen of Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus , Jesus poured out His Sprint of prophecy  heavily  upon   Saul and changed his name to  Paul making him a new creature in Christ  knowing Saul/ Paul was going to need every bit of it because of the suffering he was going to endure  for the names sake of Jesus Christ  , when nothing but the  law and first covenant of death was in effect  and  Jesus Christ   ministry was in its   infancy  was considered a blasphemous  heritick   and anyone else whom spoke such things against the law of Moses .
Please think about this part , when Moses was chosen  , he was a man  chosen out of many men to lead  Gods people  and they had a  flesh and blood leader  going forth  before them and they expected Jesus Christ to do and be the same  , but he was not  the flesh and blood leader  of an earthly kingdom  , but come down out of heaven to establish  a Truth  and a way to heaven for us by Spirit , Jesus told them my kingdom is not of this world .. 
 
So now I get to the main point  , he heard by the Spirit speaking , The things he heard were too sacred for words, things that man is not permitted to tell.  I believe it is the heavenly language  that only those born of the same exact Spirit of unity can express and understand   , and just as Jesus when doing those great signs and miracles said tell no man  , because it would stumble them  , because  they had not been born again of  faith in Jesus Christ yet  , faith comes by hearing what the Spirit is saying  , we do not speak as mankind does  ,  but the Spirit does for us on our behalf  and to us all  Romans 10

2 Cor 12

1I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to gain, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise. The things he heard were too sacred for words, things that man is not permitted to tell.


It is hard to share your faith with others    , we can only see and hear what the Lord lets us  see and hear and mostly understand in our hearts that is hard to express  in words

Most do not realize how much God loves us all  and is no respecter of persons , God is generous and more than fair or good to anyone , forgiveness is one of the most divine attributes of love expressed in God  and His new creation will be complete /perfect because He is perfect.. those that are forgiven much love much ..   

[Ross]

I've read quite a few NDE's and very often it has a (very) positive effect on the relation with God. Surely not what satan wants. If satan is really involved in NDEs I would guess he wouldn't appear as Jesus but as some pagan god.

Some movies have been made about some people's experiences.
Some of the  old philosophers claim heavenly trips/visions.
We all seem to have the innate concept of something out there.
Concept for me about which way to look at this seems to be the Paul experience. He "heard utterances" did NOT see, or possibly did see but did not think that would be useful to others.
Underlying principle seems to be that what ever we see, if this leads to boasting in self, then it is wrong. Paul states;
       "Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord."

[Ross]

  I know that Jesus Christ is the Lord of   the dead and the living   , I would think He come to destroy the works of the devil .

Would that not be to raise the dead to Life again . death being the last enemy .

We all agree to that    praise God !!!   ,

Just how its done is still  a mystery to    many this side of the veil 

Amen!
Seems the problem for many is that they only see a coming heaven where we will be singing for the rest of eternity.
Paul talks about us to be judging angels [2 Cor 6;3].
Revelations points out the coming White Throne; a judgment period.
Also says about those active during the millennium.
Paul talks to the Ephesians about " the richness of His glory on vessels of Mercy" being pointed out during those next ages.
The big issue for all this seems to be the varying opinions about the "ecclesia" / "chosen". Unfortunately some of the doctrines think that if you are not chosen then you will be sent to hell. WAY OFF THE MARK!!!
However, part of being shown the difference between God's grace in reality as against mans' interpretation of that grace.
Many wars have been fought about that issue.

Pauls statement in Romans 8;38,39 surpasses all that false doctrine, deceit, incorrect powers; the list is comprehensive.

[marie glen]

When my father died, one of my brothers was with him at the hospital, and he said just before he died, his eyes lit up.. but you see, too.. my father was a terrible unrepentant sinner.. (though I love and forgive him, I've found out things about him that imply he carried on his evil way as long as he could or had opportunity, I was not aware of this before, but again, i do still love and forgive him, even if disappointed in him)..

So I don't think he would be heading straight to the bosom of the Father in the heavenly realms or in the kingdom.. (yet his eyes lit up)

But, I do think the Lord can comfort and bless and I believe He does. If I love my father, surely the Lord does..

When reading the NDE in your post Rose, it struck me as a vision (an inner vision).. Dying, or near death, would be quite a dramatic experience.. I think our Lord is fully capable of using these things.. the feelings, the dramatic event of dying.. Even folks who have a vision of 'hell' with the moans and the smoke and the torment - the other side of the coin, and we're pretty convinced there is no true "place" like that.. But in the person's psyche, they expect deep down that's where they could end up, as conscience tells them they are a sinner..

Well, that's just my take on it. I'm a bit swimming against the tide :laughing7: in that most folks on the planet believe in an immediate afterlife following death, but I can't shake the impression of folks sleeping in their graves as beds with headstones (maybe dreaming I sometimes wonder). And of course, for now, we only see through a glass darkly.. I surely agree the Lord can use all these things.. :gsmile:

[rosered]

  I know that Jesus Christ is the Lord of   the dead and the living   , I would think He come to destroy the works of the devil .

Would that not be to raise the dead to Life again . death being the last enemy .

We all agree to that    praise God !!!   ,

Just how its done is still  a mystery to    many this side of the veil 

Amen!
Seems the problem for many is that they only see a coming heaven where we will be singing for the rest of eternity.
Paul talks about us to be judging angels [2 Cor 6;3].
Revelations points out the coming White Throne; a judgment period.
Also says about those active during the millennium.
Paul talks to the Ephesians about " the richness of His glory on vessels of Mercy" being pointed out during those next ages.
The big issue for all this seems to be the varying opinions about the "ecclesia" / "chosen". Unfortunately some of the doctrines think that if you are not chosen then you will be sent to hell. WAY OFF THE MARK!!!
However, part of being shown the difference between God's grace in reality as against mans' interpretation of that grace.
Many wars have been fought about that issue.

Pauls statement in Romans 8;38,39 surpasses all that false doctrine, deceit, incorrect powers; the list is comprehensive.

Hi Bro Ross ,
  I see as  a lot of what you are speaking of is going on right now   a whole lot of judging going on
I do believe the heavenly courts  are in  session  ,  My belief is   by the scriptures   in the way  King NEB  was judged   
  We already have  an innumerable company of angels

  Jesus told the ones whom  tested Him that He could ask His Father to send  10 thousand legion  of angels to  help him ,
  He also  says many things  that makes me know   that there is a whole lot of shaking going on     already .

  I do believe He sits at the right hand of His Father   I also believe He  allows those to sit with them .

  I Do think He returns  as when ever His Father sends Him to come inspect   us  at any given moment .

  I Do also believe the White robes and the Sheep  gathered already  are making up the White Throne judgment  .

I see this as a constant occurrence , This  would explain why Jesus said  No man knows the time or hour when He returns but the Father  only .  Matt 24;36 Mark 13;32 and Acts 1;7

Because the FATHER is  ALL Authority[Spirit of Life itself ]  He raises the dead  , He raised Jesus to Life again , Jesus did not do it himself  , nor did Jesus ever do anything outside of His Fathers desire     ever .
Because Jesus Christ really is the WORD OF GOD   made flesh and it is Lifted up By the SPIRIT of the Father  , This explains why  the Word of God /Seed is Christ  LUKE 8:11  11 "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. The Holy Spirit, through Peter, also said God's Word is a seed. 1 PETER 1:23   and it is faith in the Jesus Christ /Word of God that  LIVES though the Spirit of Life


When you read  Rev 11  in the Light of knowing   the two witnesses of heaven and earth  both    the Word of God is dead  in the streets  as well as His Spirit  , you can begin to see   it is the FATHER  whom   lifts up  His WORD and Christ SPIRIT  in  everyone whom has ever   been  and is and will be   raise up in power by   the ONE AND ONLY GOD THE FATHER ,

I can only say this by the Scriptures that come to Life  by the Sprint of Life   there is no other way to ever be able to speak that boldly  , except  to say it would come by the revelation and the revealing of the Lord Jesus Christ  testimony and witness   working in you   as it does in whomsoever   God calls  up from out of the earth , the earth is  our mortal bodies that have been poisoned by   the dragons flood of lies  , it helped the woman  [Israel  birth in one day /  Jesus Christ is born / the  first  man child of many that would rise up out of the earth by HIS  OWN DEATH and witness to the sons of God being   Hidden in Christ and not revealed yet till being anointed by the Fathers own   authority ] in the fullness of time  / by Gods authority,   when the Spirit moves  the Word  in our being / earthly bodies as good as dead by faith in the the Lord Jesus Christ , proof is by Abraham's witness  in the Word  made alive  though Christ that anointed Word  , he was a son of God  as well as a son of mankind , Hebrews 11  all this known  by the scriptures [lo I come in the volume of  a book written of me  to do your will oh God ]  and it is the Spirit of God moving over  HIS WORD  that will never ever return to Him void  but will be purposed in what He sets it out to do Isaiah 55 11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
Jesus Christ is just that   the WORD of God made flesh  ,  just as the earthly  flesh it also has spiritual flesh [ 1Corh 15  by Gods authority    ,  We can tell because Jesus told us  man cannot live by bread alone  , but ever Word that proceeds out od   the Mouth of God  ,  This means  the Word of God  alone  can do nothing with out the Spirit  of God  , and visa versa   , the Sprint will not  move without the  Word  being ''quickened '' within you .
  the WORD judges us all  by the Spirit  of Life , we inherit all things , Life and death are ours   all things are ours  , and we belong to Christ and Christ is Gods    , every promise   ever made will be fulfilled   as death is being annulled  by Life in Christ though Gods Sprint of Life .. 

  and it is impossible to  realize  and comprehend    the power of  GOD   in the mortal condition , it is only By Gods  truth and grace do we  revive  and receive   more and more of Jesus Christ /Living and moving Word in you by the Spirit of  Life being  accomplished  by the increase of God   , Truth sets you free  the inner man of the heart that  is being renewed day by day as the old man of sin nature is perishing  and was never ever  meant to inherit  immortality   , but has been judged already  , this is why Jesus judges no man   , it was always meant to die   in Adam all die  , in the Day   he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil  , it was already a done deal from the beginning  [ 930 years as  a little less  than one day  in Gods sight  and  so God shortened the days of mortal existence  in   Gods mercy  unless no flesh would be saved and the Sprint in a man would fail Him though such  long suffering for sin  .Isaiah 57  16"For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would grow faint before Me, And the breath of those whom I have made. 17"Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him; I hid My face and was angry, And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart....

  and   so many many stumble over the Word of God /Jesus Christ    when you can begin to see them as one and the same

the Word becomes more clear to see ,,    Jesus Christ was before the beginning and with GOD THE FATHER all along , it is just a revealing of Christ that is just now being seen much more clearly   as the DAY is Shinning in HIS STRENGTH   

  HIS WORD is being Fulfilled  and accomplished  in a constant  flux of  Change  because HE never changes  as a solid rock foundation that is never moved  nor  shaken TRUTH that we can only begin to    grasp by the Holy Sprint teaching us   all truth

  HE is the author and finisher  of the Book of Life and truth 

[rosered]

When my father died, one of my brothers was with him at the hospital, and he said just before he died, his eyes lit up.. but you see, too.. my father was a terrible unrepentant sinner.. (though I love and forgive him, I've found out things about him that imply he carried on his evil way as long as he could or had opportunity, I was not aware of this before, but again, i do still love and forgive him, even if disappointed in him)..

So I don't think he would be heading straight to the bosom of the Father in the heavenly realms or in the kingdom.. (yet his eyes lit up)

But, I do think the Lord can comfort and bless and I believe He does. If I love my father, surely the Lord does..

When reading the NDE in your post Rose, it struck me as a vision (an inner vision).. Dying, or near death, would be quite a dramatic experience.. I think our Lord is fully capable of using these things.. the feelings, the dramatic event of dying.. Even folks who have a vision of 'hell' with the moans and the smoke and the torment - the other side of the coin, and we're pretty convinced there is no true "place" like that.. But in the person's psyche, they expect deep down that's where they could end up, as conscience tells them they are a sinner..

Well, that's just my take on it. I'm a bit swimming against the tide :laughing7: in that most folks on the planet believe in an immediate afterlife following death, but I can't shake the impression of folks sleeping in their graves as beds with headstones (maybe dreaming I sometimes wonder). And of course, for now, we only see through a glass darkly.. I surely agree the Lord can use all these things.. :gsmile:

I love what you have shared with me sister Marie   ,
Thanks for sharing  this with us .

I can certainly agree   that these things God does to accomplish His Word  by His  own Sprint  seems   darkly known to the base of humanity  that was set in a void and total darkness  in   DEATH  in the beginning as nothingness   Till   the Word calls

out for it to be   raised  up to purpose    it , but first it is planted in corruption and vanity of spirit   where the soul /life was    sparked by Gods Sprint  to move   on its course  in the beginning .

For as it is for every last one of us  to get to know God   fully though His WORD  and by His Own Spirit of Life .we wait on the Lord to bring it to Light and reveal it , than can we  see , hear  and say anything at all as a witness to  Gods glory , most  certainly ALL  are in the dark
like  in  the  womb  of a mother  developing  a perfect man / child of God  , yet to be seen and known  and not a minute before God   completes  each and everyone according to His own purpose and desire  .



I do see  every human being being called Adam     and   Adam has two natures   within Him   one is being the corruptible   image   that we all get to see  and it is ugly as sin itself   that we all judge  as doomed even God does consider  death as carnal and  short lived   , certainly missing the mark  of the higher  calling    those seeds of Satan/adversary  are of the tree of knowledge of good and evil   and it is a spirit of pride  in a man that sets his heart to only experience  the  earthly glory


  that is a human life , but the true glory of God is yet to be experienced   fully , but is still being formed in the Lord Jesus Christ one of a kind Son / tree of life     planted in the earth where the root  system is the  LOVE OF GOD and its power  to make alive   though suffering    a while    .
We know Gods  purpose is to make all things new  so we have much to look forward to  , leaving those dead things alone ... 

  Everyone of us bears the mark of  sin  nature  as well as bears the mark of Gods  calling  , no matter how  bad it looks on the outside  , it has been judged already as  doomed  from the start  , this is why Jesus said I judge no man  , He already knew it was  rotten  fruit , He tells us make the tree good and its fruit good  a tree is know by its fruit   ,   

  Dead works  makes dead fruit and your daddy ate of this this  tree   his whole life being the fruit of his doings .. that is suffering  for doing evil , and every last one of us has bore  it also   As Did Jesus Christ,   He also  did  take it upon Himself   being the WORD OF GOD and we know it is the WORD that judges us in the last day    ,  For me the last Day  is the 7th day  rest  that many  will experience ,  in Gen 1  , as the works are completed in it  ,  the 1000  year reign of Christ [One Day as the Day of the Lord of Sabbath  rest  , God finished His work on the 7 th day and rested   , So the WORD OF GOD /  the Lord Jesus Christ is working   on the  7th Day  , remember he is the Lord of   the Sabbath  and man was not made for the Sabbath
   But ther Sabbath was made for mankind   , those 6 days are  the beast nature of mankind   and God would bear witness   that in Hebrews 4   that man  can always enter JESUS rest    , heaven is open  to all and each in their own order as they are called 
We have to also remember that  it is Christ  Jesus that  is doing all this  work raising the dead  to   Life again  to present it to the Father that God be all in all   1 CORH 15  28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.


  Mark 2  27 Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

  This is a very important clue for us all to  hear and listen  when you see Jesus  is  doing the  greater works    , When we get to Revelation  of John   it is His vision  as the DAY OF THE LORD     [ONE DAY as 1000 year reign and HE IS  the Sabbath rest  that all must enter though Him to  come to God  the FATHER   all these 7's  are the last Day  completed  in  Christ Jesus  the Lord of   the dead and the living ..  the last enemy to be destroyed is death  by HIS LIFE

This is why I do think at the end of their days  of corruption , they do see the Light    and Jesus is waiting for them  at the end of the tunnel  such is   ,  just like going though a birth canal  ,  and a new life is  risen

  I do think that some in the here and  now, Like those chosen out of the world as a witness  are the chosen  to glorify God in the earth as it is in heaven   , Saul to Paul is a great example of that  , going to the nations  to fulfill this Word of God  and all sheep provoke  them to  be zealous and repent .
  till the other sheep not of  this fold   Jesus states  here .
John 10:16
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.   

  Jesus Christ the Word of GOD  is fighting  for us  destroying evil  as the Lord of SABBATH rest for the poor and weary [1000 year reign / Day of the Lord and Sabbath rest   on his   ROBE and thigh it is written the WORD OF GOD 
why the robe and thigh  ?   it has to do with the priesthood as Lord of lords and  government King of kings    , total authority  to enter the holy of holiest , heaven itself    as all shall be made  low before Him ..

  Rev19The Rider on the White Horse
...12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God. 14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses....

...15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.

16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: King of kings and Lord of lords. 17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God,...

Deuteronomy 10:17
"For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

Psalm 89:27
"I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

Matthew 25:40
And the King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.'

1 Timothy 6:15
which God will bring about in His own time--He who is blessed and the only Sovereign One, the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood,


  There is so much knowledge and information  to be made known  , it is so hard to put into words  , but the scriptures Speak to us by His Holy Spirit  very clearly   that the free gift of eternal Life   is  a  GIFT   by Jesus Christ   he bought and paid for  with His own blood  and I believe at every mans   end ,  They will bow the knee before the Lord of lords and KING of kings  and  confess  Jesus Christ as the door Keeper of the sheep gate  that they being judged  for sinning much will be loving much 
that any knowledge of God that puffed them up will be  making them humble 
sooner or later everyone will  be in  this very position  I do believe , in His time . :HeartThrob:
 

I know these posts are way to long  , but there is no simple explanation  no matter how much  trying to be clear we share with one another , This is up to  the Lord   Himself to make it known   and  perfectly clear   not of us human  parts  lol ,, :dsunny:   

[sheila]

Amen....Bless and curse not......only the cursed go into LOF...only the Blessed receive the Kingdom prepared,only the 'cursed"are

seperated[apparently from God's love through Jesus Christ] Examine the covenant curses under  the Law for disobedience......

and consider this body of death/image of the corrupt we all bear/wrapped up all in disobedience.

    God cursed the sinful'works' in man's flesh..when man's corrupt body goes to the grave....his flesh rests from these wicked labours as

a slave to sin..inthe grave...The righteous perish[all men given the free gift of righteousness through Christ] and no-one takes it toheart

that it is to be spared of the evil[wicked works] that is to come....

[eaglesway]

For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. Ro. 8

[fire walker]

For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. Ro. 8

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       Eaglesway,
The truth revealed in these verses shows that
without the grace of God creation would be without subjection in hope, yet creation is       
subjected in hope. Love for one another fulfills the new covenant pillar laws Abba our Father in Heaven author and finisher of our faith is the second pillar. Love is above faith and hope even though not perfected yet.
      For the[size=78%] topic of this thread, yes it appears to me that most times[/size]
these near death experiences
does show the individual having
this experience that there is more to life than is seen in the flesh


  [size=78%] Blessings,  fire walker[/size]

PS sorry for the computer err[/size][size=78%]ors on the size of letters a d computer[/size]
junk bleeding through I don't know how to fix it.

[rosered]

  Amen  Firewalker    :HeartThrob:   My LORD AND MY GOD !

  Faith is no longer faith when you see ,  Like Thomas  did , and stuck his hand in    the Lords   wounded side   where the water and blood gushed out  fulfilling all things   in and by and though   LIFE HIMSELF  .

We just got to believe   HIM   with our whole hearts  ,  half heartedness doesn't cut it :HeartThrob:

Jesus Appears to Thomas    :dsunny:

...27Then Jesus said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and look at My hands.

Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe."

28Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"

29Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed;

blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."...

Every witness    that  shares      the same witness of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ  our risen Lord  of all ,     will  believe  in the power of  God to raise the dead to Life   again and  they   that live   and truly   believe in Him  can never die     :dsunny: :HeartThrob: 

  Jesus Christ IS   the resurrection and   Life , any one saying it is past or is to come yet  , Is not in the now believing GODS WORD AND POWER TO SAVE  US .

unless the hardening of the heart occurs  to show to be false; contradict: His trembling hands belied his calm voice.
2. to misrepresent: The newspaper belied the facts.   :sigh:   They could not believe that Lazarus was raised from the dead either  before their eyes  in their time  either .

Doubting   does not receive anything the Lord offers us now ..   Love God and believe with your whole heart   HE IS and will do as He promises  to do  James 1 ...

5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault,


and it will be given to him.


6But he must ask in faith, without doubting, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea,

blown and tossed by the wind.


7That man should not expect to receive anything from the Lord.     :sigh:



  Lord ,  please  increase our faith in YOU  always       :HeartThrob: