I was not sure to put this out there ,
but would love some feedback and see what you think about this .
My question , Can it be that ? Is faith in God born sometimes though death experiences ?
I realize not all experience this kind of awakening , but still can we believe those that do ?
I find it most encouraging honestly , and think there is more , so much more than this mortal life to look forward to.
First off I was watching is tv program called , ''I survived '' beyond and back ..
It is about folks testimonies of death in the natural condition and their own encounter with God .
I was surprised when watching this one man , being a heart doctor that really never had much thought about God in his lifetime , but was a doctor that took care of heart patients and repaired damage and care etc .
Well he ended up having a massive heart attack and when wheeled into the emergency room , a fellow doctor and friend was the one working on him , and it shook that doctor up pretty bad and kept trying to bring him back for about an hour , but the last 15 minutes , this dying doctor was dead , flat lined and gone .
This other Doctor kept working on him frantically , doing everything he knew to do over and over again ..
Well the doctor revived and when he come back from death , the other doctor asked him what did you see , was it all , like they say or was it just your brain shutting down and your electrical field out of wack and nothingness etc..
This Doctor went on to tell him his experience .
This man was calm and reasonable in explaining what he had been though in that hour to this other doctor and to the show when relaying this story
He said , I went though a dark tunnel at first and saw in the distance a bright light , so I began to go towards this bright light and the closer I got to it the more alive I felt and a love and peace I never really felt before .
Now this is the part that makes me share this with you guys .
He said , I never realized this before , but I felt like where I was my whole life was like dead before now .
So that is what got me , He was drawing closer to God and the closer he got the more he felt the love of God though him
This changed his life and his mind about the people whom have faith in God from than on and I thought it was pretty awesome , because there is more to life than any of us can imagine and when we literally die and we have a whole lot more to experience than sleeping in the grave .
I also thought of the scriptures in James that speaks of drawing closer to God , and how can do this now and experience Gods love within us and share those experiences with others that faith and hope and love perfects /completes in anyone whom the Lord draws into Himself ..all men unto Him .. , we do not have to literally die first , but let that carnal mind die out that is about the world and temporary glory , because it is death and wars against the Spirit of Life without end ..
James 4:8 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
So much more to keep looking up to Jesus the Light of world and the Glory of the Father and experience salvation now .If we can just believe and obey , hear His voice and live .....
Satan is known as the angel of light;
2 Cor 11;14,15 " For Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
So no great surprise if his servants too disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
Their end will be according to their works."
Would be advising check out their experience carefully- not assuming their description to be real. Many false doctrines "claim" spiritual insight or visions.
HOWEVER;
Phil 1;18 " What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
Christ is proclaimed; and in that I will rejoice."
I.M.O seems these experiences will at least make them aware of life to come, just not quite accurate on the how this will come about.
All this planting the seed for something big which is brewing nicely.
Quote from: Ross on February 01, 2018, 02:12:46 AM
Satan is known as the angel of light;
2 Cor 11;14,15 " For Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
So no great surprise if his servants too disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
Their end will be according to their works."
Would be advising check out their experience carefully- not assuming their description to be real. Many false doctrines "claim" spiritual insight or visions.
HOWEVER;
Phil 1;18 " What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
Christ is proclaimed; and in that I will rejoice."
I.M.O seems these experiences will at least make them aware of life to come, just not quite accurate on the how this will come about.
All this planting the seed for something big which is brewing nicely.
Thank you Ross for your reply ,
I agree that the magical hoopla of this world is of the false image and a great deceiver and if it were possible even the very elect would be deceived ..
But that is just it Bro Ross those that appear holy before men , God knows their dark hearts , they have only fooled themselves and others that gaze upon the flesh , seeking that earthly kingdom and glory , it is FAKE and hypocrisy and very , very temporary .
But on the other hand ,
I do believe all things are possible with GOD .
God is all power and glory belongs to Him , and faith comes by hearing and to be careful how you hear what the Holy Spirit is saying ....
It really is judgment to anyone , in a good way or bad way on How they handle the Word of Life ..
I am convinced that the wrath of God is for a moment[Psalms 30;5 Isaiah 54 , just as this life is for a moment [Jame 4;14] , and Satan has a short time [rev 12;12] .. all by the scriptures testifying of them as truth for every generation to experience the Word of God .
This all is fleeting , but Gods mercy endures forever and is eternal life .
I do believe when we see Him, every false image we had of the Father will be confirmed in the moment of Change .
Because salvation is of God only . The knowledge will end and the Love will be forever known to all , Jesus Christ is the victory over death being the last enemy to overcome though Him .
To me He was always there , ready and willing and able to receive His children , just as the prodigal sons learned though suffering in the world and it offered nothing but torment and just what was waiting for Him when he went back home to humble himself before his Father .His Fathers Truth in love and life would perfect him /complete him .
Jesus says one has to die , this being a single seed/Word of God in order to bear much fruit .
Jesus Christ death in John 12 was the first fruits of the increase of Gods grace coming upon all mankind , The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak , in our weakness HE /Spirit &Word of truth is our strength .
In Adam all die but in Christ all shall be made alive and I believe it will be so very easy for HIM TO DO IT. Make Alive .
Quote from: rosered on February 01, 2018, 02:56:09 AM
To me He was always there , ready and willing and able to receive His children , just as the prodigal sons learned though suffering in the world and it offered nothing but torment and just what was waiting for Him when he went back home to humble himself before his Father .His Fathers Truth in love and life would perfect him /complete him .
Amen!
The learning is sooo necessary to appreciate and comprehend the whole process.
And He is still there- the preparation is nearly done and the return/implementation of the next age right on the proverbial cusp.
Watching the news and weather seems to suggest the next age happening soon[ still a few years, but closer every day].
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Quote from: Ross on February 01, 2018, 02:12:46 AM
Satan is known as the angel of light;
2 Cor 11;14,15 " For Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
So no great surprise if his servants too disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
Their end will be according to their works."
Would be advising check out their experience carefully- not assuming their description to be real. Many false doctrines "claim" spiritual insight or visions.
I wonder satan has power control life and death.
QuoteHOWEVER;
Phil 1;18 " What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
Christ is proclaimed; and in that I will rejoice."
I.M.O seems these experiences will at least make them aware of life to come, just not quite accurate on the how this will come about.
All this planting the seed for something big which is brewing nicely.
I've read quite a few NDE's and very often it has a (very) positive effect on the relation with God. Surely not what satan wants. If satan is really involved in NDEs I would guess he wouldn't appear as Jesus but as some pagan god.
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Quote from: WhiteWings on February 01, 2018, 01:07:12 PM
Standard NDE
Quote from: Ross on February 01, 2018, 02:12:46 AM
Satan is known as the angel of light;
2 Cor 11;14,15 " For Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
So no great surprise if his servants too disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
Their end will be according to their works."
Would be advising check out their experience carefully- not assuming their description to be real. Many false doctrines "claim" spiritual insight or visions.
I wonder satan has power control life and death.
QuoteHOWEVER;
Phil 1;18 " What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
Christ is proclaimed; and in that I will rejoice."
I.M.O seems these experiences will at least make them aware of life to come, just not quite accurate on the how this will come about.
All this planting the seed for something big which is brewing nicely.
I've read quite a few NDE's and very often it has a (very) positive effect on the relation with God. Surely not what satan wants. If satan is really involved in NDEs I would guess he wouldn't appear as Jesus but as some pagan god.
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Those are great Points bro T !
I know that Jesus Christ is the Lord of the dead and the living , I would think He come to destroy the works of the devil .
Would that not be to raise the dead to Life again . death being the last enemy .
We all agree to that praise God !!! ,
Just how its done is still a mystery to many this side of the veil , that is His flesh unto the second veil Heaven itself .it was Spiritual flesh , Showing us this by the transformation on the mount is our proof that believe Matt 17
I am under the impression that HE /The Lamb of God shed His blood and done this once for all time ... and considered the fullness of time according to scripture [Gal 4 ] this pattern in the earthly witness , birth, life and death , but the SPIRIT always, was, is and will be , heavenly pattern we can see in Gen 1 .He made mankind in His image also the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. and rested on the 7 day this day to me is Jesus Christ ,''the last day and WORD ''and Lord of SABBATH rest Gen 2 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Hebrews 9 8By this arrangement
the Holy Spirit was showing that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the
first tabernacle was still standing. For me ,This is saying , The body Gods Spirit had prepared for Him and sent in the likeness of sinful flesh , but He is the WORD made flesh in order to spread the seed/ word it had to die first to bring forth new life from this seed / Word that would not return to GOD void , by pouring out His Spirit/truth on all flesh , this to me includes everyone whom is awakened to truth & Life by His own sacrifice of Himself making the new covenant immediately in effect by the grace of God that no one was righteous of themselves to receive because all have sinned and are dead under the first law that brings death to every human ever born .
9It is an illustration for the present time, because the gifts and sacrifices being offered were unable to cleanse the conscience of the worshiper. 10They consist only in food and drink and special washings—external regulations imposed
until the time of reform.Redemption through His Blood
11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come,a He entered the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hands (that is, not of this creation).
12He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves, but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.
13For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that their bodies are clean,
14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify our consciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God!
15Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant,
so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, now that He has died to redeem them
from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.16In the case of a will, it is necessary to establish the death of the one who made it, 17because a will does not take effect until the one who made it has died; it cannot be executed while he is still alive.
I have one more thing to say about this plea to please consider thinking about , I have truly considered what Paul said when one was taken up unto the 3rd heaven , I believe when he was called out and chosen of Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus , Jesus poured out His Sprint of prophecy heavily upon Saul and changed his name to Paul making him a new creature in Christ knowing Saul/ Paul was going to need every bit of it because of the suffering he was going to endure for the names sake of Jesus Christ , when nothing but the law and first covenant of death was in effect and Jesus Christ ministry was in its infancy was considered a blasphemous heritick and anyone else whom spoke such things against the law of Moses .
Please think about this part , when Moses was chosen , he was a man chosen out of many men to lead Gods people and they had a flesh and blood leader going forth before them and they expected Jesus Christ to do and be the same , but he was not the flesh and blood leader of an earthly kingdom , but come down out of heaven to establish a Truth and a way to heaven for us by Spirit , Jesus told them my kingdom is not of this world ..
So now I get to the main point , he heard by the Spirit speaking , The things he heard were too sacred for words, things that man is not permitted to tell. I believe it is the heavenly language that only those born of the same exact Spirit of unity can express and understand , and just as Jesus when doing those great signs and miracles said tell no man , because it would stumble them , because they had not been born again of faith in Jesus Christ yet , faith comes by hearing what the Spirit is saying , we do not speak as mankind does , but the Spirit does for us on our behalf and to us all Romans 10 2 Cor 12
1I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to gain, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise. The things he heard were
too sacred for words, things that man is not permitted to tell.
It is hard to share your faith with others , we can only see and hear what the Lord lets us see and hear and mostly understand in our hearts that is hard to express in words
Most do not realize how much God loves us all and is no respecter of persons , God is generous and more than fair or good to anyone , forgiveness is one of the most divine attributes of love expressed in God and His new creation will be complete /perfect because He is perfect.. those that are forgiven much love much ..
Quote from: WhiteWings on February 01, 2018, 01:07:12 PM
I've read quite a few NDE's and very often it has a (very) positive effect on the relation with God. Surely not what satan wants. If satan is really involved in NDEs I would guess he wouldn't appear as Jesus but as some pagan god.
Some movies have been made about some people's experiences.
Some of the old philosophers claim heavenly trips/visions.
We all seem to have the innate concept of something out there.
Concept for me about which way to look at this seems to be the Paul experience. He "heard utterances" did NOT see, or possibly did see but did not think that would be useful to others.
Underlying principle seems to be that what ever we see, if this leads to boasting in self, then it is wrong. Paul states;
"Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord."
Quote from: rosered on February 01, 2018, 02:35:37 PM
I know that Jesus Christ is the Lord of the dead and the living , I would think He come to destroy the works of the devil .
Would that not be to raise the dead to Life again . death being the last enemy .
We all agree to that praise God !!! ,
Just how its done is still a mystery to many this side of the veil
Amen!
Seems the problem for many is that they only see a coming heaven where we will be singing for the rest of eternity.
Paul talks about us to be judging angels [2 Cor 6;3].
Revelations points out the coming White Throne; a judgment period.
Also says about those active during the millennium.
Paul talks to the Ephesians about " the richness of His glory on vessels of Mercy" being pointed out during those next ages.
The big issue for all this seems to be the varying opinions about the "ecclesia" / "chosen". Unfortunately some of the doctrines think that if you are not chosen then you will be sent to hell. WAY OFF THE MARK!!!
However, part of being shown the difference between God's grace in reality as against mans' interpretation of that grace.
Many wars have been fought about that issue.
Pauls statement in Romans 8;38,39 surpasses all that false doctrine, deceit, incorrect powers; the list is comprehensive.
When my father died, one of my brothers was with him at the hospital, and he said just before he died, his eyes lit up.. but you see, too.. my father was a terrible unrepentant sinner.. (though I love and forgive him, I've found out things about him that imply he carried on his evil way as long as he could or had opportunity, I was not aware of this before, but again, i do still love and forgive him, even if disappointed in him)..
So I don't think he would be heading straight to the bosom of the Father in the heavenly realms or in the kingdom.. (yet his eyes lit up)
But, I do think the Lord can comfort and bless and I believe He does. If I love my father, surely the Lord does..
When reading the NDE in your post Rose, it struck me as a vision (an inner vision).. Dying, or near death, would be quite a dramatic experience.. I think our Lord is fully capable of using these things.. the feelings, the dramatic event of dying.. Even folks who have a vision of 'hell' with the moans and the smoke and the torment - the other side of the coin, and we're pretty convinced there is no true "place" like that.. But in the person's psyche, they expect deep down that's where they could end up, as conscience tells them they are a sinner..
Well, that's just my take on it. I'm a bit swimming against the tide :laughing7: in that most folks on the planet believe in an immediate afterlife following death, but I can't shake the impression of folks sleeping in their graves as beds with headstones (maybe dreaming I sometimes wonder). And of course, for now, we only see through a glass darkly.. I surely agree the Lord can use all these things.. :gsmile:
Quote from: Ross on February 02, 2018, 07:36:43 AM
Quote from: rosered on February 01, 2018, 02:35:37 PM
I know that Jesus Christ is the Lord of the dead and the living , I would think He come to destroy the works of the devil .
Would that not be to raise the dead to Life again . death being the last enemy .
We all agree to that praise God !!! ,
Just how its done is still a mystery to many this side of the veil
Amen!
Seems the problem for many is that they only see a coming heaven where we will be singing for the rest of eternity.
Paul talks about us to be judging angels [2 Cor 6;3].
Revelations points out the coming White Throne; a judgment period.
Also says about those active during the millennium.
Paul talks to the Ephesians about " the richness of His glory on vessels of Mercy" being pointed out during those next ages.
The big issue for all this seems to be the varying opinions about the "ecclesia" / "chosen". Unfortunately some of the doctrines think that if you are not chosen then you will be sent to hell. WAY OFF THE MARK!!!
However, part of being shown the difference between God's grace in reality as against mans' interpretation of that grace.
Many wars have been fought about that issue.
Pauls statement in Romans 8;38,39 surpasses all that false doctrine, deceit, incorrect powers; the list is comprehensive.
Hi Bro Ross ,
I see as a lot of what you are speaking of is going on right now a whole lot of judging going on
I do believe the heavenly courts are in session , My belief is by the scriptures in the way King NEB was judged
We already have an innumerable company of angels
Jesus told the ones whom tested Him that He could ask His Father to send 10 thousand legion of angels to help him ,
He also says many things that makes me know that there is a whole lot of shaking going on already .
I do believe He sits at the right hand of His Father I also believe He allows those to sit with them .
I Do think He returns as when ever His Father sends Him to come inspect us at any given moment .
I Do also believe the White robes and the Sheep gathered already are making up the White Throne judgment .
I see this as a constant occurrence , This would explain why Jesus said No man knows the time or hour when He returns but the Father only . Matt 24;36 Mark 13;32 and Acts 1;7
Because the FATHER is ALL Authority[Spirit of Life itself ] He raises the dead , He raised Jesus to Life again , Jesus did not do it himself , nor did Jesus ever do anything outside of His Fathers desire ever .
Because Jesus Christ really is the WORD OF GOD made flesh and it is Lifted up By the SPIRIT of the Father , This explains why the Word of God /Seed is Christ LUKE 8:11 11 "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. The Holy Spirit, through Peter, also said God's Word is a seed. 1 PETER 1:23 and it is faith in the Jesus Christ /Word of God that LIVES though the Spirit of Life
When you read Rev 11 in the Light of knowing the two witnesses of heaven and earth both the Word of God is dead in the streets as well as His Spirit , you can begin to see it is the FATHER whom lifts up His WORD and Christ SPIRIT in everyone whom has ever been and is and will be raise up in power by the ONE AND ONLY GOD THE FATHER ,
I can only say this by the Scriptures that come to Life by the Sprint of Life there is no other way to ever be able to speak that boldly , except to say it would come by the revelation and the revealing of the Lord Jesus Christ testimony and witness working in you as it does in whomsoever God calls up from out of the earth , the earth is our mortal bodies that have been poisoned by the dragons flood of lies , it helped the woman [Israel birth in one day / Jesus Christ is born / the first man child of many that would rise up out of the earth by HIS OWN DEATH and witness to the sons of God being Hidden in Christ and not revealed yet till being anointed by the Fathers own authority ] in the fullness of time / by Gods authority, when the Spirit moves the Word in our being / earthly bodies as good as dead by faith in the the Lord Jesus Christ , proof is by Abraham's witness in the Word made alive though Christ that anointed Word , he was a son of God as well as a son of mankind , Hebrews 11 all this known by the scriptures [lo I come in the volume of a book written of me to do your will oh God ] and it is the Spirit of God moving over HIS WORD that will never ever return to Him void but will be purposed in what He sets it out to do Isaiah 55 11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
Jesus Christ is just that the WORD of God made flesh , just as the earthly flesh it also has spiritual flesh [ 1Corh 15 by Gods authority , We can tell because Jesus told us man cannot live by bread alone , but ever Word that proceeds out od the Mouth of God , This means the Word of God alone can do nothing with out the Spirit of God , and visa versa , the Sprint will not move without the Word being ''quickened '' within you .
the WORD judges us all by the Spirit of Life , we inherit all things , Life and death are ours all things are ours , and we belong to Christ and Christ is Gods , every promise ever made will be fulfilled as death is being annulled by Life in Christ though Gods Sprint of Life ..
and it is impossible to realize and comprehend the power of GOD in the mortal condition , it is only By Gods truth and grace do we revive and receive more and more of Jesus Christ /Living and moving Word in you by the Spirit of Life being accomplished by the increase of God , Truth sets you free the inner man of the heart that is being renewed day by day as the old man of sin nature is perishing and was never ever meant to inherit immortality , but has been judged already , this is why Jesus judges no man , it was always meant to die in Adam all die , in the Day he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil , it was already a done deal from the beginning [ 930 years as a little less than one day in Gods sight and so God shortened the days of mortal existence in Gods mercy unless no flesh would be saved and the Sprint in a man would fail Him though such long suffering for sin .Isaiah 57 16"For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would grow faint before Me, And the breath of those whom I have made. 17"Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him; I hid My face and was angry, And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart....
and so many many stumble over the Word of God /Jesus Christ when you can begin to see them as one and the same
the Word becomes more clear to see ,, Jesus Christ was before the beginning and with GOD THE FATHER all along , it is just a revealing of Christ that is just now being seen much more clearly as the DAY is Shinning in HIS STRENGTH
HIS WORD is being Fulfilled and accomplished in a constant flux of Change because HE never changes as a solid rock foundation that is never moved nor shaken TRUTH that we can only begin to grasp by the Holy Sprint teaching us all truth
HE is the author and finisher of the Book of Life and truth
Quote from: marie glen on February 02, 2018, 07:48:58 AM
When my father died, one of my brothers was with him at the hospital, and he said just before he died, his eyes lit up.. but you see, too.. my father was a terrible unrepentant sinner.. (though I love and forgive him, I've found out things about him that imply he carried on his evil way as long as he could or had opportunity, I was not aware of this before, but again, i do still love and forgive him, even if disappointed in him)..
So I don't think he would be heading straight to the bosom of the Father in the heavenly realms or in the kingdom.. (yet his eyes lit up)
But, I do think the Lord can comfort and bless and I believe He does. If I love my father, surely the Lord does..
When reading the NDE in your post Rose, it struck me as a vision (an inner vision).. Dying, or near death, would be quite a dramatic experience.. I think our Lord is fully capable of using these things.. the feelings, the dramatic event of dying.. Even folks who have a vision of 'hell' with the moans and the smoke and the torment - the other side of the coin, and we're pretty convinced there is no true "place" like that.. But in the person's psyche, they expect deep down that's where they could end up, as conscience tells them they are a sinner..
Well, that's just my take on it. I'm a bit swimming against the tide :laughing7: in that most folks on the planet believe in an immediate afterlife following death, but I can't shake the impression of folks sleeping in their graves as beds with headstones (maybe dreaming I sometimes wonder). And of course, for now, we only see through a glass darkly.. I surely agree the Lord can use all these things.. :gsmile:
I love what you have shared with me sister Marie ,
Thanks for sharing this with us .
I can certainly agree that these things God does to accomplish His Word by His own Sprint seems darkly known to the base of humanity that was set in a void and total darkness in DEATH in the beginning as nothingness Till the Word calls
out for it to be raised up to purpose it , but first it is planted in corruption and vanity of spirit where the soul /life was sparked by Gods Sprint to move on its course in the beginning .
For as it is for every last one of us to get to know God fully though His WORD and by His Own Spirit of Life .we wait on the Lord to bring it to Light and reveal it , than can we see , hear and say anything at all as a witness to Gods glory , most certainly ALL are in the dark
like in the womb of a mother developing a perfect man / child of God , yet to be seen and known and not a minute before God completes each and everyone according to His own purpose and desire .
I do see every human being being called Adam and Adam has two natures within Him one is being the corruptible image that we all get to see and it is ugly as sin itself that we all judge as doomed even God does consider death as carnal and short lived , certainly missing the mark of the higher calling those seeds of Satan/adversary are of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and it is a spirit of pride in a man that sets his heart to only experience the earthly glory
that is a human life , but the true glory of God is yet to be experienced fully , but is still being formed in the Lord Jesus Christ one of a kind Son / tree of life planted in the earth where the root system is the LOVE OF GOD and its power to make alive though suffering a while .
We know Gods purpose is to make all things new so we have much to look forward to , leaving those dead things alone ...
Everyone of us bears the mark of sin nature as well as bears the mark of Gods calling , no matter how bad it looks on the outside , it has been judged already as doomed from the start , this is why Jesus said I judge no man , He already knew it was rotten fruit , He tells us make the tree good and its fruit good a tree is know by its fruit ,
Dead works makes dead fruit and your daddy ate of this this tree his whole life being the fruit of his doings .. that is suffering for doing evil , and every last one of us has bore it also As Did Jesus Christ, He also did take it upon Himself being the WORD OF GOD and we know it is the WORD that judges us in the last day , For me the last Day is the 7th day rest that many will experience , in Gen 1 , as the works are completed in it , the 1000 year reign of Christ [One Day as the Day of the Lord of Sabbath rest , God finished His work on the 7 th day and rested , So the WORD OF GOD / the Lord Jesus Christ is working on the 7th Day , remember he is the Lord of the Sabbath and man was not made for the Sabbath
But ther Sabbath was made for mankind , those 6 days are the beast nature of mankind and God would bear witness that in Hebrews 4 that man can always enter JESUS rest , heaven is open to all and each in their own order as they are called
We have to also remember that it is Christ Jesus that is doing all this work raising the dead to Life again to present it to the Father that God be all in all 1 CORH 15 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him
who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all. Mark 2 27 Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and
not man for the Sabbath.
This is a very important clue for us all to hear and listen when you see Jesus is doing the greater works , When we get to Revelation of John it is His vision as the DAY OF THE LORD [ONE DAY as 1000 year reign and HE IS the Sabbath rest that all must enter though Him to come to God the FATHER all these 7's are the last Day completed in Christ Jesus the Lord of the dead and the living .. the last enemy to be destroyed is death by HIS LIFE
This is why I do think at the end of their days of corruption , they do see the Light and Jesus is waiting for them at the end of the tunnel such is , just like going though a birth canal , and a new life is risen
I do think that some in the here and now, Like those chosen out of the world as a witness are the chosen to glorify God in the earth as it is in heaven , Saul to Paul is a great example of that , going to the nations to fulfill this Word of God and all sheep provoke them to be zealous and repent .
till the other sheep not of this fold Jesus states here .
John 10:16
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring,
and they will hear My voice; and there will
be one flock and one shepherd. Jesus Christ the Word of GOD is fighting for us destroying evil as the Lord of SABBATH rest for the poor and weary [1000 year reign / Day of the Lord and Sabbath rest on his ROBE and thigh it is written the WORD OF GOD
why the robe and thigh ? it has to do with the priesthood as Lord of lords and government King of kings , total authority to enter the holy of holiest , heaven itself as all shall be made low before Him ..
Rev19The Rider on the White Horse
...12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head.
He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God. 14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses....
...15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.
16And
He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: King of kings and Lord of lords. 17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God,...
Deuteronomy 10:17
"For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
Psalm 89:27
"I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.
Matthew 25:40
And the King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.'
1 Timothy 6:15
which God will bring about in His own time--He who is blessed and the only Sovereign One, the King of kings and Lord of lords.
Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood,
There is so much knowledge and information to be made known , it is so hard to put into words , but the scriptures Speak to us by His Holy Spirit very clearly that the free gift of eternal Life is a GIFT by Jesus Christ he bought and paid for with His own blood and I believe at every mans end , They will bow the knee before the Lord of lords and KING of kings and confess Jesus Christ as the door Keeper of the sheep gate that they being judged for sinning much will be loving much
that any knowledge of God that puffed them up will be making them humble
sooner or later everyone will be in this very position I do believe , in His time . :HeartThrob:
I know these posts are way to long , but there is no simple explanation no matter how much trying to be clear we share with one another , This is up to the Lord Himself to make it known and perfectly clear not of us human parts lol ,, :dsunny:
Amen....Bless and curse not......only the cursed go into LOF...only the Blessed receive the Kingdom prepared,only the 'cursed"are
seperated[apparently from God's love through Jesus Christ] Examine the covenant curses under the Law for disobedience......
and consider this body of death/image of the corrupt we all bear/wrapped up all in disobedience.
God cursed the sinful'works' in man's flesh..when man's corrupt body goes to the grave....his flesh rests from these wicked labours as
a slave to sin..inthe grave...The righteous perish[all men given the free gift of righteousness through Christ] and no-one takes it toheart
that it is to be spared of the evil[wicked works] that is to come....
For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. Ro. 8
Quote from: eaglesway on February 03, 2018, 05:41:43 AM
For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. Ro. 8
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Eaglesway,
The truth revealed in these verses shows that
without the grace of God creation would be without subjection in hope, yet creation is
subjected in hope. Love for one another fulfills the new covenant pillar laws Abba our Father in Heaven author and finisher of our faith is the second pillar. Love is above faith and hope even though not perfected yet.
For the
[size=78%] topic of this thread, yes it appears to me that most times[/size]these near death experiencesdoes show the individual havingthis experience that there is more to life than is seen in the flesh
[size=78%] Blessings, fire walker[/size]PS sorry for the computer err
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Amen Firewalker :HeartThrob: My LORD AND MY GOD !
Faith is no longer faith when you see , Like Thomas did , and stuck his hand in the Lords wounded side where the water and blood gushed out fulfilling all things in and by and though LIFE HIMSELF .
We just got to believe HIM with our whole hearts , half heartedness doesn't cut it :HeartThrob:
Jesus Appears to Thomas :dsunny:
...27Then Jesus said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and look at My hands.
Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe."
28Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"
29Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed;
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."...
Every witness that shares the same witness of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ our risen Lord of all , will believe in the power of God to raise the dead to Life again and they that live and truly believe in Him can never die :dsunny: :HeartThrob:
Jesus Christ IS the resurrection and Life , any one saying it is past or is to come yet , Is not in the now believing GODS WORD AND POWER TO SAVE US .
unless the hardening of the heart occurs to show to be false; contradict: His trembling hands belied his calm voice.
2. to misrepresent: The newspaper belied the facts. :sigh: They could not believe that Lazarus was raised from the dead either before their eyes in their time either .
Doubting does not receive anything the Lord offers us now .. Love God and believe with your whole heart HE IS and will do as He promises to do James 1 ...
5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault,
and it will be given to him.
6But he must ask in faith, without doubting, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea,
blown and tossed by the wind.
7That man should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. :sigh:
Lord , please increase our faith in YOU always :HeartThrob: