I believe

[micah7:9]

You tell me, the same soul as Gen.2:7 is used in Lev. Isa. Zech.  is God a nephesh?
H5315  nephesh From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal...H5314  nâphash  A primitive root; to breathe; passively, to be breathed

[Molly]

Yes. Nephesh.

His creation is stunning and, most particularly, in its reflection of Him.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

[CHB]

Come to think of it, he was both, or could be either one he chose to be. He walked in the garden in the cool of the day. He talked with Abraham. I believe he was Melchizedek.  After he was resurrected he eat and told his disciples that "a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".

CHB

[Molly]

Come to think of it, he was both, or could be either one he chose to be. He walked in the garden in the cool of the day. He talked with Abraham. I believe he was Melchizedek.  After he was resurrected he eat and told his disciples that "a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".

CHB

It kind of knocks your socks off, doesn't it?
It's like standing with Simeon in the Temple as he held the child in his arms and knowing how he felt--

27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30For mine eyes have seen [Y'shuah] thy salvation,

--Luke 2

[micah7:9]

Yes. Nephesh.

His creation is stunning and, most particularly, in its reflection of Him.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Here I am being stupid again, I do not understand.

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9: Please note.......MALE AND FEMALE He created THEM. Your mind is translating that scripture, according to what you can observe with your natural eyes, but what He is saying here is, He created BOTH OF THEM male and female = spirit and soul in each.

There seem to be a lot of translation issues regarding Adam.
Man and mankind is frequently mixed up. So it's a bit of question if man refers to a single person or mankind.

[WhiteWings]

CLV
And creating is Elohim humanity in His Image. In the image of Elohim He creates it. Male and female He creates them

ISA2
and.he-is-creating Elohim (ath) the.human in.image-of.him Elohim he-created (ath) .him male and.female he-created (ath) them

The ISA2 translation is in the Hebrew word order. Each 'color block' is one word in Hebrew.
(ath) is the mysterious untranslated word discussed in THIS thread

Cardinal, I understand your opinion but I have trouble figuring out if male and female points to a single person or to humanity as a group (that roughly consists of 50% males and 50% females)
"it" in the CLV translation seems to point to mankind instead of an individual.

[jabcat]

ah, translations.

lately i've wondered if sometimes when we post our beliefs, we're really using accurately translated scripture.  I'm wondering if we've (as a general group) researched hell, eternal, etc., so we know of those mistranslations related to UR - but are just now getting to searching out some of the other words, concepts, phrases.  for example, the whole "soul" discussions, and how different translations have come into play and say different things about that.  it may be at least part of the reason for still so many variances in beliefs on many things.  (I know there are many other reasons, but just wondering lately about translations.)  I also know the Spirit can and does reveal to us,  but also, if we have many mistranslations - whether minor or major things - seems that could  add confusion to an issue.    :Chinscratch:

or maybe this is another thread...

alright, carry on   :bigGrin:

[micah7:9]

CLV
And creating is Elohim humanity in His Image. In the image of Elohim He creates it. Male and female He creates them

ISA2
and.he-is-creating Elohim (ath) the.human in.image-of.him Elohim he-created (ath) .him male and.female he-created (ath) them

The ISA2 translation is in the Hebrew word order. Each 'color block' is one word in Hebrew.
(ath) is the mysterious untranslated word discussed in THIS thread

Cardinal, I understand your opinion but I have trouble figuring out if male and female points to a single person or to humanity as a group (that roughly consists of 50% males and 50% females)
"it" in the CLV translation seems to point to mankind instead of an individual.

Have been led to accept that it is mankind-humanity. But thats just me.

[micah7:9]

ah, translations.

lately i've wondered if sometimes when we post our beliefs, we're really using accurately translated scripture.  I'm wondering if we've (as a general group) researched hell, eternal, etc., so we know of those mistranslations related to UR - but are just now getting to searching out some of the other words, concepts, phrases.  for example, the whole "soul" discussions, and how different translations have come into play and say different things about that.  it may be at least part of the reason for still so many variances in beliefs on many things.  (I know there are many other reasons, but just wondering lately about translations.)  I also know the Spirit can and does reveal to us,  but also, if we have many mistranslations - whether minor or major things - seems that could  add confusion to an issue.    :Chinscratch:

or maybe this is another thread...

alright, carry on   :bigGrin:

I began to wonder question just that about the translations just about 6 months ago, and it has had me put away many of the teachings I found to be sound for years. And this is a positive statement, " I also know the Spirit can and does reveal to us" :bigGrin:

[jabcat]

 :thumbsup:  micah


A.P. Adams -

"The common idea is that God created man perfect and complete in the garden of Eden, and thus started him all right; but evil invaded that peaceful and blessed retreat, successfully assailed the man and the woman, and the dreadful consequences were sin, alienation, the loss of Paradise and universal death. Thus was God's handiwork marred and his plans disarranged, and now he must commence all over again, as it were, first, to repair damages and then to carry out his original plan as best he can. This is the common idea among the great mass of Christians, and yet the simple statement of it as above is enough to make one suspect that the idea cannot be just exactly right. Is it so?-that God is altogether such an one as ourselves?-whose plans may be upset?-whose will may be thwarted?-who may be compelled to change his plan because of some interfering agency or evil power entering in and for the time being getting the better of him? Is it so? Why, no, we say; and yet what shall we do with the Bible story of the "fall of man" as we term it? Shall we make God responsible for it? If his will was not thwarted in that terrible fall, must we say that it was in accordance with his will? Many cannot say that, it seems blasphemous; and yet either that is true, or else his will was thwarted and his plans disarranged and upset by an evil power, mightier, or for the time being more cunning than himself. What shall we do in this dilemma? How shall we untangle this seeming snarl?"

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TrueBasisOfRedemption-APAdams.html

[Molly]

If his will was not thwarted in that terrible fall, must we say that it was in accordance with his will? Many cannot say that, it seems blasphemous; and yet either that is true, or else his will was thwarted and his plans disarranged and upset by an evil power, mightier, or for the time being more cunning than himself. What shall we do in this dilemma? How shall we untangle this seeming snarl?"

I think many here would say it was in accordance with his will, but I think there are other alternatives.  Creation is a messy business.  It's not so much that things don't go according to plan, as that there are a myriad of consequences to deal with as the creation becomes more complex. 

But as water relentlessly finds it way downhill and meets the occasional obstruction causing it to change course, so will the act of creation appear to branch to the left or the right because of an obstacle.  But, the water will find its course to the lowest point, eventually even eroding the obstacle itself.  Just so, the original intent of the Creator will be realized, not so much because he wills it, but because given the parameters of the creation, it has to be.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yes He does and we were made in His image..... :thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

If his will was not thwarted in that terrible fall, must we say that it was in accordance with his will? Many cannot say that, it seems blasphemous; and yet either that is true, or else his will was thwarted and his plans disarranged and upset by an evil power, mightier, or for the time being more cunning than himself. What shall we do in this dilemma? How shall we untangle this seeming snarl?"

I think many here would say it was in accordance with his will, but I think there are other alternatives.  Creation is a messy business.  It's not so much that things don't go according to plan, as that there are a myriad of consequences to deal with as the creation becomes more complex. 

But as water relentlessly finds it way downhill and meets the occasional obstruction causing it to change course, so will the act of creation appear to branch to the left or the right because of an obstacle.  But, the water will find its course to the lowest point, eventually even eroding the obstacle itself.  Just so, the original intent of the Creator will be realized, not so much because he wills it, but because given the parameters of the creation, it has to be.

Just who/what do you consider to be, "occasional obstruction causing it to change course..?"

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: Yes He does and we were made in His image..... :thumbsup:

I am amazed that I find myself in these positions and I know that I am awkward, but I still ask. "We are made in HIS image," I for one have a great desire to know just what that image is. We are also made in His likeness, again I stumble, for just what is the likeness .....who we have been told we are the image and likeness of?

[Beloved Servant]

Are there two distinct creations, or works of God revealed in chapters one and two of Genesis?
Is the image of God the nature of God reproduced in man?

[micah7:9]

Are there two distinct creations, or works of God revealed in chapters one and two of Genesis?
Is the image of God the nature of God reproduced in man?

Ive found out that you are an editor of sorts. That immediatlly makes me nervous, but I post anyway. So, are there two distinct creations revealed in Gen.1 and 2? Yes. I believe that there are.

[Beloved Servant]

That's also how I read it.

[micah7:9]

 :bigGrin: Glory!  :HeartThrob: HE is Good!