Ever been banned from a forum?

[hopeful]

Hi Paul, Sorry I didn't mean this form.

:thumbsup:

:girlheart:

[crlnray]

Hi Paul,I just didn't know what it meant,now that I do I have been ask not to go to church here,

Very much so Thanks hopeful.crlnray

Hi Crlnray,   :icon_flower:

Could this be a typo?  Did you mean to type "there" instead of "here"?

:HeartThrob:

Hopeful

[Hennessey]

Sometimes God will just make me stupid and I won't see all the man made signs saying "Kapu!" (Hawaiian for "you're trespassing")

A month ago I was directed to a forum where I saw "Stardust" was a participant. There was actually some good stuff there and because of Star's presence and the recommendation to visit I really thought this was a "UR" board. I joined up and posted a few posts with obvious "UR" leanings and to my surprise my posts started disappearing. Then finally the administrator posted a "UR" is poison message and I was banned.  :laughing7:

I did send this fellow an e-mail and post something of my experience on a couple of my blogs. After reading  julzabro2's  welcome post "freshly booted from Christian board" I thought to share this .

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BROTHER, YOU SLANDER OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD!


Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1Cor 15:24-28

The Holy Spirit some time ago taught me to always try and minister to the "one" before ministering to the "multitude." Thus, it has become almost a habit for me to send out a few E-mails before I write for our blog or participate on a public forum. It is kind of a type of "leaving the ninety nine to care for the one." So this morning, first off, I wrote a letter of encouragement to a sister who's father is suffering and then I typed a short rebuke to a brother that owns and administrates a forum that still holds to the idea that our Father tortures and torments for all of eternity most of His offspring.

This is a simple reproof of the "eternal torment doctrine" by defining God as the "All in All." It is so clear to me that when we see the total inclusiveness of "All in All" we surely can know all men will be saved through Christ. I read a brother's statement below (in red) on his forum today and felt led to reply. I mixed some words by Elwin Roach and a list by Preston Eby in with my thoughts here.


Brother, you slander God and belittle the Cross of Christ with this statement below:


"One enticing and detrimental illusion that is spreading like a cancer through the body is an aggregation of false concepts sometimes referred to as Universal Reconciliation."


God doesn't tell us to love our enemies and then burn and torment His enemies for eternity. How absurd this belief in eternal torment!

You can see the absurdity of your position by the simple use of reasoning the concept of God as "All in All". Nothing of creation is lost as Christ's glorious cross redeems all. Please take a moment after prayer and think about this below.


For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him. Col. 1:16


Paul related it once in a very short but powerful statement: "For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen" (Rom. 11:36). Simply put, everything came out of God, it all passes through Christ and His cross. It returns back to Him from whence it came. It returns in resurrection glory changed to the same heavenly substance of Himself.

Col. 1:16 speaks of all these things below. All are out of, through, and back into God. There is no exception to the "All in All."


1. All things in heaven

2. All things in earth

3. Visible things

4. Invisible things

5. Visible things in heaven

6. Visible things in earth

7. Invisible things in heaven

8. Invisible things in earth

9. Thrones in heaven

10. Thrones on earth

11. Dominions in heaven

12. Dominions on earth

13. Principalities in heaven

14. Principalities on earth

15. Powers in heaven

16. Powers on earth


Be blessed my friend,

Jack

Note: A couple months ago I lasted about a four days and four posts on this forum before this good brother gave me the left boot of fellowship. LOL He seemed to think I was poisoning his forum with my messages of God's enduring grace and mercy. I pray, soon he sees the enormity of Christ's sacrifice.

[Craig]

It is like people WANT to be banned from these forums. I have gone to many of these places where people said they were banned, and I read their conversations (when they were still present but the person banned) and wonder if that person was just not using that forum as as the punching bag to release their emotional baggage over the eternal torment doctrine.

I am not saying everyone is doing this, there is times, where the forum does not allow any hint of Universalist teaching and the moment you bring it up, you are banned. That happens, it happened to me in Bible Questions (ironically an MSN community I created and long story short, was decieved in giving up authority to someone I thought was a friend who later banned me; later I returned as everyone missed me, only to be banned for teaching the heresy of universalism). So for those times, that is when we just kick off the dust of our shoes and move on.

However, many times the well has been poisoned because of past experience with universalists. These forums had to deal with a lot of abuse from people who supposably brough the true message of love, but at the end of hatred and foul mouthed loathing. In those cases, I agree with much of the anti-universalist's observations when they say things like:

After universalists see what they have written used against them, they often retaliate with name-calling.  Again, they preach and teach God's infinite grace and love but so rarely show it to anyone who disagrees with universalism.

There have been noticed many times by myself and others, accusations of intent, accusations that because someone believes something means they must be horrible people,  slanderers of God, blasphemous of the Gospel, or wicked, etc. It is no wonder they were banned from those forums.

Even in ChristianForums, where I have been for over 3 years, I have had some deep straight to the issue conversations, but the moment another Christian Universalist enters, they are banned, not because they were a Christian Universalist, but the first thing they use is Sarcasm and insult to prove their point. 

"Your father is Satan, how can you ever be expected to understand the truth when it is before your eyes! You must not have love, because the doctrine you believe shows a very evil Gospel that has Satan win and God lose. God is love, God will win."

I can understand that response, it makes sense but it is not beneficial to the conversation, nor will it open a person up to the Gospel. You don't have to be polite, but you don't have to be mean either. That individual was banned from Christian Forums, while I kept teaching Christian Universalism with success.

What would have been better would have been.

"I understand that you believe that most of the world is going to be thrown to hell, with Satan and his angels. Looking at the Character of God, and that is God is Love, would you say that such odds, do not fit? Is God not victorious in His own Creation or is Satan more powerful? I believe a doctrine which sends most people to hell without redemption, very dark and it does not line up to the Character of God. I believe such doctrine lacks God as a foundation, because it deals with the letter of the Law, and not the Spirit of the Law."

There is no need to insult a person, or their intent simply because they were taught wrong. We do have to deal with the feelings of people as we speak to them, we don't have to compliment them, we don't need to use emotoinal appeals, but we still need to recognize they are still people. Think of how you came to this message? Was it because others insulted you for not believing it? Or because they presented the truth and the truth set you free?

So for those who got banned legitametly (no fault of your own), for nothing they did or said other than to say, Jesus loved all mankind and will and has saved them all! Good for you. For those who have made it a war path, that now closed the message off to many who were open to listening at one time, insults, emotional appeals, sarcasms and/or cursings, are the fruits of the Flesh, not the Spirit and counter-productive for you and everyone else who is spreading the good news.

[julzabro2]

I was directed to this thread from Hennessey who replied to my "introduction" post. And thanks for the warm welcome, Hennessey!  :icon_biggrin:

Anyways, I said in my intro post that I had just been banned from another board...a Christian board...that I won't name. Although, I will say that I found this site after reading WHY Universalism was banned in the site I was banned from. I never knew I was a universalist or even a universalistic-typed Christian. I had always called myself a liberal Christian.

Needless to say, I think what happened was I started a new thread which spurred an explosion of debate that brought out the universalist in myself and others. And the handful of those who agreed with me are probably about to get banned themselves. I wouldn't be surprised to see them here shortly! I am not against following the rules but, honestly, I didn't know that this site banned universalism nor did I think I was one!!! And I boldly started a thread knowing that this site, appeared, to allow atheists, gnostics, agnostics etc.etc. to post. I thought that what I was posting would be sharply debated but never considered that I would get banned.

I admit that I did get overly frustrated once in this heated debate and I regret that but what is strange is that those so-called Christians who provoked me....and, believe me, they did...didn't get banned. I was name called, judged, labeled and my very salvation was questioned!!!?!? Now, I'm no whimp....I DO love a good debate. I can handle all the mud slinging in the world but I hate that only one side is allowed to do it!!! Ironically, this site claimed that Universalists do these things and claimed that it was for THAT reason that Universalism was banned! I believe this was a fairly recent development after a debate between THAT site and this one.

No one likes to get banned, but I look at this way....I have been banned from atheist sites before as well! If it had not been for this so-called Christian site banning me, I would have never found THIS site....which, so far, appears to be full of, what I would consider, kindred spirits!  :Sparkletooth:

So I am here to learn about Universalism to see if it's what I think it is....to see if it's Truth.  :Angel7:

[Transponder]

Well, I was banned by Jeff really for no good reason. I had a temporary ban that I didn't complain about and, after that, I trod carefully. Then Jeff banned me because of what OTHER people wrote on the site where I posted.

I heard that he agreed that the ban could be lifted but, last I heard, I had been totally wiped from the site.

[Michael Dankoski]

Well, I wasn't banned, but I was told my posts were something unprintable and unscriptural, and I was compared to some mythological Greek demon on the Bible Study That Doesn't Suck forum. (it does)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: May I ask what forum you all are talking about? I didn't know there were any other large forums of this type.....

[julzabro2]

Well, since people have named it already. I was actually suspended from CARM. Most likely once their moderators catch up to other posts...they will ban me. Apparently, if one just hints at UR, they will ban you. I, as many others, didn't know we were UR or even sounding universalistic, but after being labeled it so many times and now suspended for it, I was driven to look into it....which is why I'm, here.

Sadly, they claim that their reason to ban UR is because UR's are always harsh, rude, devicive...and that they keep people from coming into the Body by teaching that there is no hell. I believe they misunderstand that stance of UR. I don't understand banning a group that DOES believe in God and Jesus for being harsh yet allowing Atheist who are ALSO harsh and possibly hurting the faith of little ones to remain. furthermore, there are HARSH Christians doing WAY more harm to Christianity and the Body then anyone simply because THEY claim the title "Christian"!!!!

[Cardinal]

 :bigGrin: Thanks for replying, but I don't know what CARM is, either. I'm not well traveled on the net, I guess, LOL........

[julzabro2]

Carm is a Christian site. It stands for Chritian Apologetics & Research

[Taffy]

Hi Shibs.

How ya doing ?
we go back aways lol! :thumbsup:

Well girl you would know only to well of my banishment from one certain forum..yehaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :icon_flower:

Just Blasting on ya........... :boyheart:

NO NEED say anymore kiddo.....

Thesedays , its called times of yesterday , of which we all gain and learn from experience ...knowledge combined with experience gives us UNDERSTANDING,...combine the three...for me its called WISDOM...

good to see you found a home of sort Girl..

I saw you over GFT...I went by the name of KT.....but never posted in the latter
months,

Ive read you moved from Alaska...
Hows the new place...not as isolated one hopes as you were before?

Blessings to you and yours.

an OLD friend you know as Graham ( Taffy)
x

[RolandJS]

I've been banned from one site awhile - restored later, long story.
I've been banned from another's site's inner sanctum, theological & argumental reasons - I should have known & behaved better  :)
So far, I'm on a few boards - seem to be aok for now.
Roland

[Steve]

I could get banned here 'cos I don't agree with UR.   :happy3:

Steve  :bigGrin:
Brother in Christ

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Steve... peace bratha...  :icon_rr:

I could get banned here 'cos I don't agree with UR.   :happy3:

Steve  :bigGrin:
Brother in Christ

As long as you discuss the subject respectfully and peaceably, you will not be banned... I believe God brings folks to sites such as TM to teach them and REVEAL...  :happygrin:

What do you believe?  :dontknow:

And BTW, ...if you would like to propose arguements against UR... please do so in the forum we have set aside for this purpose okay? ...thanks...

"Arguements Against Universal Salvation"...

http://tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?board=24.0

Peace...  :thumbsup:

In  JESUS...willieH  :boogie:

[CHB]

I can't remember which translation this is.  Might be the Message translation where Jesus said that if they ban you from this discussion board, then shake the internet dust from your fingers and move on to the next discussion board - because you won't have covered all of the discussion boards before the Son of Man comes :cool:

Hi Martin,

Had to smile when I read this, it would sure be wonderful if you were right about Jesus returning before we have covered all the discussion boards.

Charlotte

[RolandJS]

I'm as dumb as a fence-post concerning UR.
Where would I find a thread: UR for dummies [like me!] ??
Thanks!
Roland

[hopeful]

I'm as dumb as a fence-post concerning UR.
Where would I find a thread: UR for dummies [like me!] ??
Thanks!
Roland

Hi Roland!

I once asked for a "discusion boards for dummies" thread so I can relate!

Some of the old timers here will be sure to reccomend some good articles or books for you but meanwhile, you can look over the tentmakers main page- not the forum but the ?  main page.   :icon_flower:  There are many resources available there.

Hopeful

[samsue1230]

Hi there Shibboleth.

    We got this web site of Tentmaker about David, but did not post it on B M because of the sarcasm and the rubbishing they give to good writings like this, so here it is hope you enjoy it,http://greater-emmanuel.org/and go to this section,Spiritual Insightsand then to this section,Hope for all Generations
and Nations
Gary Amirault,  there are some great things on this site happy reading

                                          Love from  Sam  n  Sue :bgdance: 

             THIS IS A GREAT SITE CHECK IT OUT
             

[shibboleth]

Hi Sam and Sue I will look that up after I post this. Thanks for all your help in finding the article. It's all grace, isn't it? Without Him I'm as helpless as a kitten up a tree, never knowing my right foot from my left.....Oh no, there I go asinging again. :HeartThrob:

Thanks again for going the extra mile to get the information to me. I truly appreciate it.

Debs

[Peacetroll]

I've been banned from over 30 forums over the last 5 years.  You name the forum, I've been banned from it. 

The closer to truth we get, the more hated by the world we will be, but sometimes (I've learned), that it was not the tenants of my faith that caused expulsion, but the way I expressed myself.

Peace in Christ.

[julzabro2]

I've been banned from over 30 forums over the last 5 years.  You name the forum, I've been banned from it. 

The closer to truth we get, the more hated by the world we will be, but sometimes (I've learned), that it was not the tenants of my faith that caused expulsion, but the way I expressed myself.

Peace in Christ.

Good point but that's not always the case. You can be as gentle as a lamb and still be eaten by the wolves. The Truth is never well received to those who are against It.  :msealed:

[chuckt]

hello all.


many times when a christian finds UR to be true they are quite zealous in the beginning and go to
a non UR forum with guns a blazing, to me this is a no no.

then there are people like dear julz, who  simple just come in and discuss and are immediatly labled.

and i can attest julz to be very patient and kind in her discussions.

its funny because ive been labeld a calvinist a universalist a anhalationist a heretict a liar, a false teacher and several others.

the sad thing is once a person labels you  from that point on they read with prejudice, and you can see this same thing in how they read scripture. they read with the natural mind and from thier preformed beliefs. sad indeed.

for me UR is just the beginning, it was for me anyway, the beginning of a wonderful journey of LOVE and getting to know Christ formed in me, and growing in that LOVE truley learning how to love the enemy.



God bless all in your journey of LOVE in Yeshua

chuckt aka euty :boydance:

[hopeful]

Ya know, I can remember in times long ago, hearing that someone was a false teacher and immediately believing it.  How sad.  I think it was because of fear.  Being led of fear.   :sigh:

Thank God for deliverence!   :bgdance:

[Craig]

its funny because ive been labeld a calvinist a universalist a anhalationist a heretict a liar, a false teacher and several others.

Hahahaha  :laughing7: That is funny.