Deu 4:24 for Jehovah thy God is a fire consuming--a zealous God.

[micah7:9]

How many "Fires" are there?

[Seth]

According to Isaiah 9, wickedness is as a fire. So, at least 2.

[Seth]

23 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the Lord your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the Lord thy God hath forbidden thee.

24 For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the Lord thy God, to provoke him to anger:

26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

27 And the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the Lord shall lead you.

28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

Any connection?

[micah7:9]

Deu 6:4  `Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

How many God's are there?

[Seth]

There is one God but multiple uses of fire as a metaphor in the Bible, several of which represent that which is opposite of God and nevertheless useful as judgement.

If you are saying that fire is only used as a metaphor for God and nothing else, then I must disagree.

[micah7:9]

Jehovah thy God is a consuming fire......how many have the attribute of being consuming?

[Seth]

God is able to make man devour himself and his enemy. Look at the Deuteronomy verses. It's all explained in the text what the consuming fire will do when we serve other gods.

[micah7:9]

 :sigh:

[Seth]

You understand that fire is just a symbol? Symbols in scripture can be used to represent both positive and negative things. Just because God used fire to describe himself doesn't mean he limited himself to ONE usage of the symbol throughout alllll scripture.

[micah7:9]

Absolutely! And back to the first question how many "FIRES" are there? Speaking of the Lord Jehovah. And yet we are speaking here of "fire" not allll of  His other symbol uses.

[Seth]

Like is said, there is ONE God. But fire describes him as a symbol. Fire also describes other things too. The question is not how many fires are there. There IS no literal fire. There is is one God, multiple uses of fire.

The manner in which God describes himself as fire is revealed in the context of a warning. Don't stray to other Gods or he will turn your over to those Gods. Fire is the perfect description when we consider that fire can destroy and is dangerous to mess with.

[micah7:9]

I have come to understand there are 5 fires, but all are ONE fire that produces good.
(1)Gehenna fire (2) furnace of fire, the (3)unquenchable fire, the(4) everlasting [Gk; eonian/age-abiding] fire, and the(5)lake of fire.

[Seth]

There is no actual fire at all. That's the nature of metaphor. To me the question is "how many uses for 'fire' are there in the Bible?" My answer to that is TONS. There are TONS more uses than 5. If you add God that makes 6. Add wickedness is as a fire, that is 7.

[Seth]

I did a search of "fire" in the KJV and it came up with 515 uses. That's not counting "furnace" or "flames" etc etc.

[marie glen]

I have come to understand there are 5 fires, but all are ONE fire that produces good.
(1)Gehenna fire (2) furnace of fire, the (3)unquenchable fire, the(4) everlasting [Gk; eonian/age-abiding] fire, and the(5)lake of fire.

hi! isn't (4) and (5) the same? I find myself thinking in terms of uses in the New Testament, and how they ahve been translated to mean 'hell'.. then I find myself explaining them away (away from being 'hell')

gehenna the city dump which was kept burning always as even the bodies of criminals were burned there, hence better to cast your hand in there than to harm an innocent..

tartarus - also translated 'hell' but which is "darkness".. the angels who left their first place and are now in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.. in chains of darkness, not able to reverse their course, what with now being imperfect and imperfect cannot make itself perfect, even if they wanted to.. so they are chained to darkness awaiting the judgment/outcome

the idea that Jesus visited 'hell' while in the grave-which is the "lower part of the earth" (and the place of the dead is still the grave).. imo
I believe the verse says Jesus went via the Spirit and preached to those who were outside the ark while the ark was being prepared/built.. via the Spirit He preached / reached out to those who were going to perish in the flood..

The LOF we are told what it is.. the 2nd death, the second outside from God, from Life, from blessing..

Our God is a consuming fire.. He purifies all He touches.. He told Moses "tell the people to stay back from the mountain lest I break forth and consume them.. Critics have said this means 'lest I become so incensed with anger and hatred I break forth and slaughter them.. no, Moses face was aglow with the fire.. tell the ppl to stay back, lest they come to harm for my essence is as a consuming fire..

Then there is the fires which are fiery judgment / consequences and results -  the wages/result of sin is death
War is fiery..

Man's splitting of the atom - (imo is) "He comes with angels and fire" again natural results and consequences.. I believe when He returns it is to a fiery conflagration of man's own doing.. A lesson to be learned, thus this allowing  things to run their course.. for what is said to be the best teacher? perhaps I stray.. but man's splitting of the atom, to me, is a major one of the fires..

and all that oil in the Middle East at such a time, when "armies surround Jerusalem" (just before His return).. seems to me to be bound to become a lake of fire if the split atom comes into play..

also at the surrounding of the holy city after the 1000 year reign and millennium.. oil ignited as LOF -- all natural results, except likely, the final one after the millennium.. (Rev 20:7-9)- https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%2020:7-9&version=TLB;NASB;NKJV;KJV;YLT

have I forgotten one from the new testament used to refer to a "fiery" 'hell'?

[marie glen]

P.S. - another fire -  drought, Rev 12:16 & Luke 23;28,31

[micah7:9]

Like is said, there is ONE God. But fire describes him as a symbol. Fire also describes other things too. The question is not how many fires are there. There IS no literal fire. There is is one God, multiple uses of fire.

The manner in which God describes himself as fire is revealed in the context of a warning. Don't stray to other Gods or he will turn your over to those Gods. Fire is the perfect description when we consider that fire can destroy and is dangerous to mess with.

There IS no literal fire.   On this we must agree. :dsunny:

[micah7:9]

All these five "fires" are the same one fire, and this fire is the "Consuming Fire" of God that JUDGES BOTH US AND THE WORLD. And it is clearly stated that "The lake of fire IS the second death" (Rev. 20:14 & 21:8). The lake of fireis JUDGMENT, and the lake of fire is the second death. Therefore: the SECOND death IS GOD'S JUDGEMENTSUPON BOTH THE WICKED AND THE ELECT! One Fire, two Judgments.

[Seth]

That God is the source of judgement, I agree. That the elect must drink from the wine of God's wrath I would strongly disagree. The elect are not appointed to wrath but are saved from wrath by grace.

The Bible's terminology of judgement upon the house of God is that God sends the wrath of man to grow them. The fire is the wickedness of men, persecution, that tries and perfects the saints faith. But according to Peter, the fire of the day of the Lord is for the destruction of ungodly men.

[rosered]

 
  The Fiery Law     is and was always in effect   and continues   this is why God judges no one ,  they are set up already to be judged   by the Laws   
  Two laws      one of  Moses      first death    and the other    Christ , the second  death   , it is  Jesus   and the Father who raises the dead    to life again
  Gods judgments   are in the earth THE LAW

  This is why to me God judges  no one and    Jesus says you judge according to the flesh and I judge no man , but if I judge my judgment is just 
  James     4 '11    says you  judge the LAW    and sit in  the seat to be judged  just as you judge    by the Fiery  law  ,,,Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.


   john 5

19So Jesus explained, "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does, the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything he is doing. In fact, the Father will show him how to do even greater works than healing this man. Then you will truly be astonished. 21For just as the Father gives life to those he raises from the dead, so the Son gives life to anyone he wants. 22In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge, 23so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.



For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest 19 and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. 20 For they could not endure the order that was given, "If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned." 21 Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I tremble with fear." 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly1 of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
25 See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven. 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, "Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens." 27 This phrase, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of things that are shaken—that is, things that have been made—in order that the things that cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, 29for our God is a consuming fire.

  for me the new  born again creatures in Christ  are   of the same substance and   nature of Fire     offspring of those whith the eyes that blaze of fire and     the MAIN SOURCE     GOD A CONSUMING FIRE   OF HOLINESS  AND PURITY   THAT  KEEPS   ALL FILTH    AWAY BY HIS FIRE

[rosered]

That God is the source of judgement, I agree. That the elect must drink from the wine of God's wrath I would strongly disagree. The elect are not appointed to wrath but are saved from wrath by grace.

The Bible's terminology of judgement upon the house of God is that God sends the wrath of man to grow them. The fire is the wickedness of men, persecution, that tries and perfects the saints faith. But according to Peter, the fire of the day of the Lord is for the destruction of ungodly men.

I dont think you understand  yet Seth  ,

What     is  more purifying     than fire ?     what is able to keep    Holy , but the Holy Spirit and Fire   
  The  main  source we see  is Holy Spirit and Fire and God is a consuming Fire       . . . .

Consider the Seriphims  A seraph (/ˈsɛr.əf/; pl. seraphs or seraphim /ˈsɛr.ə.fɪm/; Hebrew: שְׂרָפִים śərāfîm, singular שָׂרָף śārāf; Latin: seraphi[m], singular seraph[us]; Greek: σεραφείμ) is a type of celestial or heavenly being in Judaism and Christianity.

Literally "burning ones", the word seraph is normally a synonym for serpents when used in the Hebrew Bible. A seminal passage in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 6:1-8) used the term to describe fiery six-winged beings that fly around the Throne of God crying "holy, holy, holy".

This throne scene, with its triple invocation of holiness (a formula that came to be known as the Trisagion), profoundly influenced subsequent theology, literature and art.

Its influence is frequently seen in works depicting angels, heaven and apotheosis.

Seraphs are mentioned as celestial beings in an influential Hellenistic work, the Book of Enoch, and the Book of Revelation. Tradition places seraphs in the fifth rank of ten in the Jewish angelic hierarchy and the highest rank in the Christian angelic hierarchy.

  the coal off the alter   had to touch     Isaiah s   lips in order to purge   his SPEECH   and speak the truth        REV    4


Each one of these four beasts stood and had from its appendages and over it six surrounding wings, and from within they are full of eyes and are not silent day or night, saying, "Holy, holy, holy, LORD JEHOVAH God Almighty."

[micah7:9]

That God is the source of judgement, I agree. That the elect must drink from the wine of God's wrath I would strongly disagree. The elect are not appointed to wrath but are saved from wrath by grace.

The Bible's terminology of judgement upon the house of God is that God sends the wrath of man to grow them. The fire is the wickedness of men, persecution, that tries and perfects the saints faith. But according to Peter, the fire of the day of the Lord is for the destruction of ungodly men.

Rev 14:9  And a third messenger did follow them, saying in a great voice, `If any one the beast doth bow before, and his image, and doth receive a mark upon his forehead, or upon his hand,
Rev 14:10  he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, that hath been mingled unmixed in the cup of His anger, and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy messengers, and before the Lamb,
I find that the wine of wrath that you speak of is before the judgment-lake of fire. It reads If any one the beast doth bow before, and his image, and doth receive a mark upon his forehead, or upon his hand,
Rev 14:10  he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God
It is not speaking of JUDGMENT the Lake of Fire.

[Seth]

The elect doesn't do that Micah. The fire is only for those who do. According to Christ, those who produce talents will receive the joy of the Lord not darkness and death.

The unprofitable servant receives death.

[micah7:9]

How about if we read Heb. 9:27 to read like this: "And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the SECOND death."

[Seth]

That God is the source of judgement, I agree. That the elect must drink from the wine of God's wrath I would strongly disagree. The elect are not appointed to wrath but are saved from wrath by grace.

The Bible's terminology of judgement upon the house of God is that God sends the wrath of man to grow them. The fire is the wickedness of men, persecution, that tries and perfects the saints faith. But according to Peter, the fire of the day of the Lord is for the destruction of ungodly men.

I dont think you understand  yet Seth  ,

What     is  more purifying     than fire ?     what is able to keep    Holy , but the Holy Spirit and Fire   
  The  main  source we see  is Holy Spirit and Fire and God is a consuming Fire       . . . .

Consider the Seriphims  A seraph (/ˈsɛr.əf/; pl. seraphs or seraphim /ˈsɛr.ə.fɪm/; Hebrew: שְׂרָפִים śərāfîm, singular שָׂרָף śārāf; Latin: seraphi[m], singular seraph[us]; Greek: σεραφείμ) is a type of celestial or heavenly being in Judaism and Christianity.

Literally "burning ones", the word seraph is normally a synonym for serpents when used in the Hebrew Bible. A seminal passage in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 6:1-8) used the term to describe fiery six-winged beings that fly around the Throne of God crying "holy, holy, holy".

This throne scene, with its triple invocation of holiness (a formula that came to be known as the Trisagion), profoundly influenced subsequent theology, literature and art.

Its influence is frequently seen in works depicting angels, heaven and apotheosis.

Seraphs are mentioned as celestial beings in an influential Hellenistic work, the Book of Enoch, and the Book of Revelation. Tradition places seraphs in the fifth rank of ten in the Jewish angelic hierarchy and the highest rank in the Christian angelic hierarchy.

  the coal off the alter   had to touch     Isaiah s   lips in order to purge   his SPEECH   and speak the truth        REV    4


Each one of these four beasts stood and had from its appendages and over it six surrounding wings, and from within they are full of eyes and are not silent day or night, saying, "Holy, holy, holy, LORD JEHOVAH God Almighty."

Purification and destruction are not mutually exclusive concepts. The Law of God is NOT death itself. It reveals that those who try to obey it are carnal minded. It's the carnal mind that produces death. The Law reveals that.