Are we the only creation?

[Paul Hazelwood]

But I predict we'll all be zipping around on our own little free energy machines soon, instead.  The whisleblowers are going to come out of the woodwork and give this technology to its rightful owners--the people of the world.

Well, you got me good,  I actually thought you was serious.    :mpardon:

[Molly]

But I predict we'll all be zipping around on our own little free energy machines soon, instead.  The whisleblowers are going to come out of the woodwork and give this technology to its rightful owners--the people of the world.

Well, you got me good,  I actually thought you was serious.    :mpardon:

About my prediction?  I am serious.  It's my hope for the best possible outcome.

But first, good must triumph over evil.

[WhiteWings]

But first, good must triumph over evil.

What exactly do you mean by that Molly?
That the whistle blowers come out or that Jesus return?
Jesus has 7 trumpets. Does that count as a whistle? :winkgrin:

[jesushandsarekindhands]

The way the craft i saw behaved made it seem very surreal, i for one believe ufos are not from another planet but rather another dimension.  The thing i saw just didnt belong in the sky, it was too big, there was no sound of any motor running or anything, in fact no sound at all and it looked like it was frozen onto the sky because it was totally motionless.  If we hadnt looked up when we did we wouldnt have even been aware that it had been there.
Ive no idea what it was, and im not even going to guess.  Im just glad it didnt suck me on board!

:cloud9: You guys didn't experience any missing time afterwards, did ya?  :mshock: Blessings....

No Card there was no change in time.

The experience I had encouraged me do a lot of research on the subject and I quickly discovered how many people have seen them, including people who lived centuries ago when aircraft hadn't even been invented and of course many famous people not to mention astronomers, astronauts, pilots, etc etc.
Many people lost their jobs because they spoke out about what they had seen, which further adds to the mystery surrounding the subject.

There are UFO accounts from Christopher Columbus, Edmund Halley (Hallye's comet) who was an astronomer, geophysicist, mathematician, meteorologist, and physicist, so basically he knew quite a LOT about space and I'm sure he could tell the difference for example between a UFO and a cloud). (Lol)

William Shatner, Muhammad Ali, the president Jimmy Carter, Graham Washington, John Lennon etc etc.

I find the subject fascinating.  But to people who have never seen a ufo its very easy for them to simply dismiss it, despite great evidence for the case if anyone would research the subject with an open mind.

Here's an interesting website on the subject.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseView.asp?section=FamousPeople

[Paul Hazelwood]

But I predict we'll all be zipping around on our own little free energy machines soon, instead.  The whisleblowers are going to come out of the woodwork and give this technology to its rightful owners--the people of the world.

Well, you got me good,  I actually thought you was serious.    :mpardon:

About my prediction?  I am serious.  It's my hope for the best possible outcome.

But first, good must triumph over evil.

Well, your placing this scenario in the aspect of technology,  much technology has came out while the ney sayers sat and scoffed.

Breaking the sound barrier was one of the big ones that was filled with fear,  yet it was achieved, so this Good must triumph over Evil stuff along these lines doesn't seem to be as great a factor as your making it appear.

Free energy is another barrier that scientists would love to break,  yet you post a note like you believe the technology is just sitting there waiting for something.

If you don't really know, it is ok for you to say so,  if it is just assertions that you read online, that's ok too.

I'd love to have a free energy craft and I know that the majority opinion is how evil the oil companies are. Because of that the time is ripe for what you say you know to be revealed to the world.  So what exactly do you know and why after your comment are you still waiting?

You could cause Good to Triumph over Evil simply by showing the world proof the technology exists.   I'm actually excited that such a thing could happen.  If it's true, don't hold back now.

[martincisneros]

The way the craft i saw behaved made it seem very surreal, i for one believe ufos are not from another planet but rather another dimension.

Planets in outer space are in another dimension.  Outer space and other dimensions are equivalents, at least as far as the 10 to 26 that make up this universe that they have a reasonable amount of assurance of being there in Superstring theory. For the sci-fi buffs, the so-called "warp technology" has existed, at least finally "figured out" since 1997 on this planet.  So, if there were anybody out there, not hard for others to have gotten at least that far as well with traveling those large distances.  Other dimensions simply mean the ability to travel large distances within the dimensions that we currently call home.  Nothing inherently demonic about that stuff being out there. Although there's the demonic out there as well, in the way that theology and exorcists would look at it.  That's just one of the hazzards of this current Creation.

[Molly]

Free energy is another barrier that scientists would love to break,  yet you post a note like you believe the technology is just sitting there waiting for something.

I'm just saying those craft everyone is seeing is our own technology.  There is secret technology that is 100 or more years ahead of anything the public knows about.  Imagine some native population which had never seen the 20th century suddenly seeing black hawk helicoptors and jet airplanes.  What would they think?  Beings from another dimension?  Beings from another world?  Gods?

So the first time we see anti-gravity electro-magnetic propulsion, we think we are seeing something from another dimension or aliens.  Nothing can be that big and be that quiet and move that fast, right? 

That's what the natives said about the f16.  We have this technology right now.

If you are really interested in this, there's plenty of information around about it out there.

Tesla was stuck in a hotel room by the bankers while Einstein took the scientific world down a rathole.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Free energy is another barrier that scientists would love to break,  yet you post a note like you believe the technology is just sitting there waiting for something.

I'm just saying those craft everyone is seeing is our own technology.  There is secret technology that is 100 or more years ahead of anything the public knows about.  Imagine some native population which had never seen the 20th century suddenly seeing black hawk helicoptors and jet airplanes.  What would they think?  Beings from another dimension?  Beings from another world?  Gods?

So the first time we see anti-gravity electro-magnetic propulsion, we think we are seeing something from another dimension or aliens.  Nothing can be that big and be that quiet and move that fast, right? 

That's what the natives said about the f16.  We have this technology right now.

If you are really interested in this, there's plenty of information around about it out there.

Tesla was stuck in a hotel room by the bankers while Einstein took the scientific world down a rathole.

Well, if your generalizing now,  um ok.  I was thinking pretty specific.  A free energy vehicle is quite specific,  I can search the web and find the goobers and their conspiracies.  So what?

[Gab]

explain the science behind it,  prove to the world it is true.

People are already doing that, Paul.  Unfortunately, they have to reinvent the wheel with no funding because the discoveries of Tesla have been suppressed and hidden for one hundred years.

As for the whistleblowers, it's up to them when they might consider risking their lives...

"Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other fuels."

Nikola Tesla

Out of curiosity, how exactly would this "free energy" work?

I ask because the only ways I can see that working is for us to either create energy out of nothing or to create a mechanism where 100% of the energy inserted into a machine to make it run is preserved as energy that is capable of being used later, thereby not requiring any additional external infusion of energy.  The former would violate the conservation of energy, which is the third most fundamental law in the entirety of physics, and the latter would violate the second law of thermodynamics.  The overturning of either of those laws would be a discovery of such magnitude that whoever made it public would be hailed as the greatest scientist in at least the next century, if not the entire millennium.

[martincisneros]

I can search the web and find the goobers and their conspiracies.  So what?

roflol -- yup!  I had to be delivered of the dispensational premillenialist conspiracies, though I guess those conspiracies also go with amillenialism 'cause it's the same thing on "the devil's gonna get us" before Jesus steps in and completes all He told us to do, rather than sitting right where He's at 'til His Feet are on top of all things.  And the Feet are in the Body rather than sticking out of the face.  Amillenialism goes great with the annihilation theology many folks around here have had that you're annihilated before the resurrection, 'cause it's the defeatest attitude that death not only still reigns under Christ, but took on additional levels that it never had before 'cause otherwise, how did the witch of Endor come by who she was a medium for in the Bible? 

And as to Molly's comments: governments aren't the only ones with advanced technology.  Private corporations have it too.  Private, independent, individuals have it as well.  Most of it isn't hard to come by, but isn't sold thru regular channels 'cause most folks aren't going to spend what it takes to have that.  So, you've got to do your research when you're in the market for a car that's liable to cost a couple million dollars, but is the last car you'd have to ever buy, if you lived longer than Methuselah.  Many things are just cost prohibitive for you to be able to get it at the mall or at your local dealer.  Really cool technologies have existed since around WWII.

[Molly]

Many things are just cost prohibitive for you to be able to get it at the mall or at your local dealer.

I don't know what you're referring to but people are building these free energy machines in their barns and basements now.  They can't get patents.  They can't get investors.  They get threatened.  Some are driven out of the country, some die under inauspicious circumstances [like the guy who was powering his car on water].  But they keep coming, I don't think they can keep a lid on it now.  God is raising them up.  We will have free energy in the not too distant future--and not the inefficient types like solar and wind.  But, true free energy--what Tesla tried to give us 100 years ago and was stopped by the bankers.

And, the world will change overnight.

God bless these brave inventors.



37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38(Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

--Heb 11

[WhiteWings]

Really cool technologies have existed since around WWII.

And WW the prototype original  :thumbsup:

[Gab]

I don't know what you're referring to but people are building these free energy machines in their barns and basements now.  They can't get patents.  They can't get investors.  They get threatened.  Some are driven out of the country, some die under inauspicious circumstances [like the guy who was powering his car on water].  But they keep coming, I don't think they can keep a lid on it now.  God is raising them up.  We will have free energy in the not too distant future--and not the inefficient types like solar and wind.  But, true free energy--what Tesla tried to give us 100 years ago and was stopped by the bankers.

How will this free energy work?

Cars that run on water (which have been seen elsewhere, with inventors who are not dead) aren't anything approaching free energy, because the way they work is through water electrolysis to generate hydrogen, and then through the burning of that hydrogen to create energy that powers the car.  This electrolysis requires an input of electrical energy, and given the ever-pervasive second law of thermodynamics, this energy input will inevitably be greater than the energy output.  Far from free energy, this is actually an energy deficit.

The reason why energy sources like coal and oil are viable for human use is because most of the energy input needed to create the fuel is provided by Earth, not by humans.  For example, the creation of oil requires intense pressure and heat, but this is provided by the regions of Earth immediately under the surface.  This means that the net energy gain for humans is positive, even if in truth it is still the case that the total energy in is greater than the total energy out.  And until someone overturns the second law of thermodynamics, this will always be the reality on the ground: for a fuel to be viable for human use, it must get at least some of the energy input for its creation from sources external to those of human origin, because otherwise its creation will require a larger energy input than the energy produced through its burning, thereby negating its entire purpose.

I don't want to be a downer or too much of a naysayer, but I always tend to get a little skeptical whenever I hear people speaking of free energy.  There's no such thing as a free lunch in life, at least not that we've seen thus far.

I do certainly think there are some promising things on the horizon, though.  For instance, there's this research at MIT into the storage of solar energy by mimicking what plants have been observed to do, thereby eliminating one of the main barriers to the widespread usage of solar energy.  The sun is the biggest contributor of energy in the entire solar system, so if we let it do our work for us that would be a big gain.  There's also the examination of hydrogen gas forming from sewage sludge and the possibility of putting it to practical use, as it too is a case where something else is doing the work for us.  The possibility has also been raised of using nuclear power to produce electricity, and then using that electricity on water to run the electrolysis to form hydrogen - although the creation of power through fission does create some waste byproduct and is technically non-renewable, it is estimated that the sun would burn out before we ran out of fissionable material, and the amount of waste created in nuclear reactors is getting less every day.

[WhiteWings]

But I predict we'll all be zipping around on our own little free energy machines soon, instead.  The whisleblowers are going to come out of the woodwork and give this technology to its rightful owners--the people of the world.

Well, you got me good,  I actually thought you was serious.    :mpardon:

About my prediction?  I am serious.  It's my hope for the best possible outcome.

But first, good must triumph over evil.

Well, your placing this scenario in the aspect of technology,  much technology has came out while the ney sayers sat and scoffed.

Breaking the sound barrier was one of the big ones that was filled with fear,  yet it was achieved, so this Good must triumph over Evil stuff along these lines doesn't seem to be as great a factor as your making it appear.

Paul,

I a way you ask something that can't be answered without having the stuff yourself.

a] Free energy is availble for anyone => you won't ask this question because you already use the stuff.
b] Free energy is a hoax => lots of 'proof' on Google it works. Obviously we will never see it in real life.
c] Free energy does exist but is supressed => Real absolute proof on Google but because you still can buy it you don't believe in it.

To your example of breaking the sound barrier. Before that steam trains were proven impossible by science because at speeds greater than ?? m/h it was impossible to breath. Back in the dark ages was about everything special seen as witchcraft. Now assume that in the year 1100 some has invented a real airplane. It's not yet completly build but all math and small scale tests prove it should work. And as we know today it does work. It was quite hot news. Many people heard stuff from people that heard it from other people. They were called lunatic conspiracy people. But why didn't the inventor simply build that plane and prove the world he is right. Well church has determined that teh Bible says that it is forbidden for man to fly. The inventor is smart but but wealthy. Neither is he handy; so he need craftsmen that can do the actual building. But he can find neither of them because church simply controls things. The inventor dies at old age. No invention. Everyone things he was insane because he talked 40 years about a plane but has zero to show. But was he really insane?
And that's just the whole point of a conspiracy. Things leak out. Some chose only to believe 'Church' and some choose to believe the inventor/Google.
And after 50 years of debate still nothing is solved.

[WhiteWings]

I agree with what Gab wrote. But OTOH impossible things of the past are now possible. Laws of nature were not exactly as they were assumed to be. Not long ago leeches and drilling holes in ones head was all that medical science had to show for. And now....
At the same time the combustion engines was invented. And right now we have... a combustion engine.
Surely the current generation of engines is vastly superior to the first prototype.
But still I wonder: Why not really diffrent things?

[Molly]

How will this free energy work?

This is how it works--

"Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other fuels."

--Nikola Tesla


The idea which was being explored in the 19th century before Einstein took science on a wild goose chase is that we are not living within a dead airspace but we are living in a sea of electro-magnetic energy, which they called the ether.  How do you get a huge effect of energy output from  a small input?  Modern science says a perpetual motion machine is impossible because it assumes we are dealing with a closed system.  But these scientists have learned how to tap into an open system of an abundant energy source.  Tesla was literally pulling huge quantities of electrical energy out of the air. 

You can see how primitive our current science is by its lack of understanding of gravitational effects.  Maxwell had set the stage,  and others were just starting the exploration of electro-magnetic forces, when Einstein came along with his jury rigged and plagiarized theories which are really part of an older philosophy, and not true science.  If the powers that be didn't actually commission this high school drop out patent clerk to do this [along with his mathematician wife who probably did all the mathematics, he gave her his nobel prize money after they divorced], then they certainly took great advantage of it by using it to trample on the scientists who were doing the real work in science at the time.  When they tried to give him the nobel prize for relativity, the scientists of the time raised such a hue and cry, they could not do it.  It's not his theory, after all--simple as that.

Thus, whole generations of scientists were taught that certain things were impossible, and we were sentenced to 100 years of  fossil fuel ingestion which made a small group of people richer than Creosus.   If you can start to see science as just another means of political and economic control, you will understand.  So we now teach new generations of students that we are living in a world of scarcity [instead of the world of abundance that we know is the hallmark of our God] and certain things just cannot be done.  We teach them that a 'perpetual motion' machine is impossible while we are sitting on one.  It's hilariously funny.  I'll stop laughing when the earth stops revolving around the sun.

The name Einstein has become synonymous with the word, 'genius'.  I look forward to the day when the name is synonymous with, 'the joke's on you.'

[Paul Hazelwood]

The earth is not a perpetual motion machine,  if it was, then its rotational speed would not be gradually slowing down over time and it's internal core temperature cooling off.

So if someone says they have a great theory for an invention can't even understand what perpetual motion actually is, then it is no wonder they cannot get funding.

[Molly]

The earth is not a perpetual motion machine, 

If you can use the same principles that keep the earth revolving around the sun to run your car, you, quite frankly, won't care that it only works aeoniously--i.e. forever.

[Paul Hazelwood]

The earth is not a perpetual motion machine, 

If you can use the same principles that keep the earth revolving around the sun to run your car, you, quite frankly, won't care that it only works aeoniously--i.e. forever.

And what would those principals be that are not already in use?

[noname]

"Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other fuels."

--Nikola Tesla

The "problem" with Tesla was that he wanted to make electrical power available for all people on earth for FREE...the powers that be do not subscribe to that concept...they must control all resources and charge you for it

[Molly]

The earth is not a perpetual motion machine, 

If you can use the same principles that keep the earth revolving around the sun to run your car, you, quite frankly, won't care that it only works aeoniously--i.e. forever.

And what would those principals be that are not already in use?

That's not already in use?

What's in use is that you pay some private entity 2,3,4,5, 20, or 40 dollars a gallon for a fuel to run your car or boiler which they totally control.  That's what's in use.

Almost anything else [including back in the day when every farmer was distilling alcohol from his crops for engine fuel until the rockefellar interests made such practice illegal with the 18th amendment--prohibition--to give himself a monopoly on engine fuel] would be preferable.

I'm beginning to think I'm wasting my time lol.

[Paul Hazelwood]

The earth is not a perpetual motion machine, 

If you can use the same principles that keep the earth revolving around the sun to run your car, you, quite frankly, won't care that it only works aeoniously--i.e. forever.

And what would those principals be that are not already in use?

That's not already in use?

What's in use is that you pay some private entity 2,3,4,5, 20, or 40 dollars a gallon for a fuel to run your car or boiler which they totally control.  That's what's in use.

Almost anything else [including back in the day when every farmer was distilling alcohol from his crops for engine fuel until the rockefellar interests made such practice illegal with the 18th amendment--prohibition--to give himself a monopoly on engine fuel] would be preferable.

I seem to think I'm wasting my time lol.

Yeah, you actually are wasting your time, simply because your greivances doesn't change anything.

If you are to believe some inventor has some secret and makes an untrue statement to support his claim then you do not understand the inherant problem.

His appeals will only affect those who do not see his deception contained in the very statement he made.

If you say the earth is a perpetual motion machine, then there is no way that you have invented one.

[Molly]

...then you do not understand the inherant problem.

The inherent problem is us--all of us--who believe every piece of garbage this sick system feeds us, who do not trust our own God, who do not try to gain knowledge for ourselves instead of relying on an education system which is nothing more than propaganda, who care about no one except ourselves,  who do not value our own freedom, liberty, independence, or the common sense that the good Lord gave us--that's the problem.

'We have met the enemy and he is us.'

--Pogo


John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

[Paul Hazelwood]

...then you do not understand the inherant problem.

The inherent problem is us--all of us--who believe every piece of garbage this sick system feeds us, who do not trust our own God, who do not try to gain knowledge for ourselves instead of relying on an education system which is nothing more than propaganda, who care about no one except ourselves,  who do not value our own freedom, liberty, independence, or the common sense that the good Lord gave us--that's the problem.

'We have met the enemy and he is us.'

--Pogo


John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Well, I guess it is a matter of perspective, I do not swallow everything fed to me.

I know the problem with the oil company saying production costs more so that's why the increase in gas prices and then making record profits.  The profits are not what bothered me it was the lie that is observed when you realize that record profits is not the additional costs being absorbed by increased production costs.

So I did not believe that lie, but I still need to put gas in my vehicle to drive it.

I also do not believe the lie that says the earth is a perpetual motion machine therefore the guy saying this has some kind of special theory on perpetual motion.

So, if you swallowed that lie, then it certainly is not me with the problem.

[reFORMer]

Among other things, tapping into the electro-magnetic field surrounding Earth has already been mentioned and we've heard the comment in various forms, that lightening from an average thunderstorm over the city of New York releases enough energy to provide all the electrical needs of New York for about two years.

The only power we lack is brain power.