praying effectively for pre-believers

[darryl]

"So what happens to those for which we do not pray?"
God will remind someone to pray for them, and somebody will pray for them.

"Christ paid for all"
Indeed.
And Christ will get everyone he paid for.


https://tentmaker.org/forum/judgement-and-punishment/orthodox-prayers-for-the-dead-modified/

yep..ALL will come in.

[Ross]

David: Seems you have read Liberty Savard.
I have read her books. I prayed all those prayers she wrote in all her books. Did that for a few years.
She does highlight the power of the flesh.
For me that did expose the concept of wrong beliefs, attitudes, behaviour.....
However, it was Christ who set me free: not me.

[Ross]

Have also been in the spiritual warfare scene.
The territorial warfare.
Ancestral strongholds.
Terrestrial  zone stuff.
That , for me,  was when I tried to be a warrior for Jesus.
The correction of my behaviour and beliefs has released me from the bondage of self righteousness.
Literally transferred from this kingdom into the truth of God's kingdom - not by works but by grace.

[darryl]

yes, many try to be warriors for Jesus....including me...now I've learnt to trust Jesus fully.

[DavidFord]

T. W. Manson (1893-1958), _The Teaching of Jesus:  Studies of its Form and Content_ (1935), 351pp., on 234-235
https://www.amazon.com/Teaching-Jesus-T-W-Manson/dp/0521091993/
https://archive.org/details/teachingofjesuss0000mans/
The result of this discussion may be summarised as follows.
The Kingdom of God is manifested on earth and in the present in the existence of human subjects who own God as their King, who look to him for protection, guidance, and a rule of life, who offer to him their absolute loyalty, complete trust, and willing obedience.
That is the ideal.
Wherever it is to any extent realised, there we have the Remnant.
...
Over against the Kingdom of God stands the kingdom of Satan:
and between the two kingdoms there is war.
...
The warfare against the forces of evil continues-- the Church is the Kingdom at war-- but the decisive battle has been fought and won at the cross, and the time must come when Christ shall subdue all enemies and hand over the Kingdom to God.