Current Events 2017

[jabcat]

Just before the US eclipse, I heard a guy on the radio talking about calamities (including earthquakes) following an eclipse.

Last night I saw someone talking about  Luke21:25 There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among the nations, bewildered by the roaring of the sea and the surging of the waves. 26 Men will faint from fear and anxiety over what is coming upon the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken....

Checked out some commentary, including one guy who thought most/all of those things were symbolic rather than literal.


Tonight I saw this on facebook;  "74 fires out west, flooding in Texas, Irma gaining strength, earthquakes everywhere! Think God is trying to get our attention?"


Thoughts on these things?

[WhiteWings]

While I'm not disputing that signs will happen I've never seen one.

Hardly anyone in Jesus time noticed He was the guy discussed in hundreds of page of Scripture and no doubts 1000's of pages of commentary. Were they really so stupid? Are we really that much smarter? I fear not.

Revelation is very symbolic. What does a darkened moon mean? Lunar eclipse? Cloudy weather for 70 days? Dust storm? Lawlessness?
That last one may need explanation. A certain interpretation is that the law is a reflection of God's mind/will/personality/etc. Not the real deal itself. If so a darkened moon can mean people not following God's laws. The moon also was used as a celestial  clock for feasts incl. regular weekly Sabbath. So a darkened moon can also mean His Feasts are no longer kept.
But the above is only valid for those who believe the law still is valid.

Eclipses, blood moons, earthquakes, etc are not rare.

Wars are a sign. Show me time in human history without wars...
Powers are often shaken during those wars because wars very often are about (re)gaining power.

I could go on and on. My point is that we don't even know what the signs look like. So how can we look for them?

The signs are closely related to His second coming.
Matt 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many.

Those people didn't read the signs or read them wrong.

[rosered]

 
  Thanks  for sharing , James and Tony   :thumbsup:  ,


I really was just going to be quiet , I just come out of a long dry spell , getting too busy with the cares of this life and  when it happens  just like that , from time to time , our spiritual life suffers for it .   Word of God gets choked out

Because  it seems  my carnal  nature  is  dull of  hearing  the  Word of GOD with any joy or peace in it  .

  I am comforted in knowing , God is faithful , just and true   and  there is nothing new under the Sun  , and all these things happening now are no different  than  that  of times of old when  every creature suffers with   some kind of  calamity  and end .

  When our  day of birth  comes  we never know it and when the day of death comes ,we do not know it either , except in the moment  it is happening .

  The recorded day of Noahs flood  come and took them all away  , same as Today   , with all the natural disasters  , many moons and many sunrises and many stars  dying along the way [brightly  in the expanse  than  shooting  downward to the earth   across the  sky with a streak  of flashing   as it dies  with no light at all , just a  tiny rock  as it  becomes  part of Gods plan  of  change , though space and time .

I do see this  world as   a  verse  in  the  song, Hotel California...........

  This place can be heaven or it can be hell ..... 
   
Depending on the wisdom   found  working in our minds /hearts /seat of emotions . I hate to admit it but I do believe I am double minded  and makes one mind of the Spirit and Life and than the other  of death , true enemies  and  unstable in all our ways  , leading to the confusion by mixing  , death and Life together  , with overthinking  and analyzing everything . :sigh:   

  God knows I am sometimes a Martha and  sometimes a Mary , and I take  in all this , as very personally ..I  call upon the  name of the Lord often   for His help and  asking for  His wisdom from above a lot . Because I know one mind has to die and the other one  Live and GODS WORD  IS SO TRUE .

  Making Paul's  passage in Romans 7   true to me as experiencing  every little bit of it .

  The wisdom  of the  world  is foolishness to God and all that  work / fruit of our doings ,becomes nothing  , but dead works  , only to be  done over again and again , when calamity [an event causing great and often sudden damage or distress; a disaster.  falls on any one of us  at any time .

  I do see this  literal world as the grave ,and the dead  know nothing as the ought , that we can only know God though this given  faith ,

by the Lord Jesus Christ hand /power . , to Know God the Holy Father though the gifts of the  Holy Spirit  teaching us the Wisdom from above , the  living fruit of His doings  working in us  and to be thankful in every situation till the end of all things .

We can take great comfort in that ,I do believe .


And as far as sharing it goes we can only  do so with the Lord' s help , for of ourselves we can do nothing  .


Only God can quicken  it in us and make it  Live  in us , as He alone gives the increase , we learn to lean on the Lord and not our own understanding  ,  though all these experiences  and suffering though them all .

  As they and we still call upon the name of the Lord for our help ,    so  we can learn what  His righteousness means in the earth  ,showing mercy and  compassion  as  Gods vessels of Love  expressed in the Body of Christ ,  still in this  world  and the world to come   as  we see so many suffering  death  as a last enemy to be destroyed , be it  carnal  in nature  , as the Spiritual mind is giving birth   [child bearing ]  as  a new life in Christ  is  known  .


I do see the  end  of the carnal nature  passing  away ,  as the new Spiritual life begins ,  in all the  travail  and struggles  of   this life ,as so many engaging  in painful and  laborious effort  of Spiritual  rebirth   bearing the  fruit  of God for Gods  glory  .


Made perfect though suffering  ,   we can see the scriptures fulfilled in our generation just as  in times past and even to come as Gods plan unfolds  Though the unveiling  of  Jesus Christ   in the earth as it is in heaven . 

  Hebrews 2

9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

10In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist,

to make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.

11For both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family.

That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.... 

For me  , it is being born  again  of the Spirit  though the suffering of the flesh and bearing our cross , As Jesus  made  a way  and now  making  it known to all ,  that  we  too should also suffer in the same manner  ,  no one  taught of God is above His master .

[Dandelion]

I never give much thought to when the world will end.

It was never my orientation as a child, or in the churches I belonged to, throughout my life.

Never mentioned in my family, and very rarely among my friends, despite the fact that I know many people in Christian Ministry, of one kind or another.

I try to live each day as though it is my first and my last.

First for the newness and joy, and last, as no one ever knows when we will be called by our Creator, so we should be as full of love, honor, integrity, mercy, patience, joy, faithfulness, and truth as God gives us the grace to be.

Jesus said that only the Father knew the day and the timeline of the end.

I know I am in no great rush.....I just found out about 2 weeks ago that my first grandchild is coming; still waking up from the fog of my past; trying to start my business; enjoying wonderful people in my life, now. No, not in any great hurry. Still learning to live in the moment. But, God's will, always, not ours.

D.

[sheila]

Jesus was.is a sign...spoken against..of the rising and falling..of many in Israel.. Josephs dream vision..with the sun representing

  his Father..his mother the moon..andhis brothers as stars.] Matt 16;3, John 2;11.. bginning of His signs[miracles]

  Acts 7;36..and Rev 16;14.  sunblack as  sackcloth=sign of judgement[note judges wear  black robes] moon turn to blood

     [Jerusalem Above moon sign]..clothing herselfwith her children[all men of one blood...the little children partook of flesh andblood

   and so likewise He partook.


problem is the lying signs done by the artificer..to keep people confused/decieved and uncertain.....


    I believe  the consummation is quickly coming....'it won't be long and there won't be any more tears ever."  The first is with

  the last,already.  the ten vrgins sleep  comfortably in the night..until the call.."THE Bridegroom cometh!

        the bridegroom was delayed...nows the time to let your lamp shine....

[marie glen]

my first impression (i posted this as a response on facebook as a good friend posted this also, and then tagged me with a ? ) - .."birth tremors".. As lots of things, it seems to me, have to come about before it gets real earnest(?)

But man's creation/world/empires can only come crashing down.. "in one hour it crashes and in one day it falls".. 1,290 days after they remove/demolish/take away the wailing wall (imo, that is - do messianic Jews visit the wall? (rev 12:17) is when they will set up the notorious six hundred sixty six system? which will hum along for forty five days, with the last ten days being life threatening"? dan 12:11,12; rev 2:10.
We're in a pause of man's splitting the atom, seal 6, chapter 6 (but described as its 1st and it's last so kinda hidden/obscured) pause of man's splitting the atom, as warfare, chap7. When that pause is broken, limited-at first, things will escalate.. one world government and peace, peace.. ten divisions of the world.. ten toes-Dan2, ten kings-Rev.. world governing will be Roman/Greek based (the iron/bronze of Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue).. will harness the sword of the Middle East.. 35 days to bug in, and 10 to bug out? [ya just had to ask!! after "the tares gather to the last battle/armageddon (split atom no longer limited) - or rather, while.. Jesus returns and begins to institute paradise/perfection, an age of, then judgment "age" - note here, one of the translation errors.. then God himself will dwell (tabernacle) with mankind on earth made new, the lion will eat straw like the ox and the bear will graze with the cow.. "God is the savior of all" 1 Tim 4:10 ..all are learning good from evil/life from nonlife. Since God can only be perfect, perfect makes no mistakes, loses nothing.. the 'end' result can only be the BEST-one-possible.

[marie glen]

Note.. there's twice now I've heard news reports of the fires west of us (in the u.s.) causing the moon to appear as red in areas east of the fires.. I've long thought the red moon and light of the sun lessened by 1/3 to be an effect of this very thing..

drought? Rev 12:16 w/ Luke 23:28,31 ( :doh: store a little water? also good for storms, etc, after all, and for others!)

exacerbated by wars and rumors of wars (battles)? and "out of the smoke" comes, locust like (hover,swarm, loud and can sting from tail; fiery?) for 5 months.. ML?(oneday)


P.S. - amen Sheila, and congratulations Dandelion! :HeartThrob:

[eaglesway]

I remember when Y2k was coming, and the Jupiter Effect. Ever since I was saved in 74 someone or another has been prophesying disaster. Yet Jesus said when we see these things we ought to go up to our rooftop and rejoice. Our redemption is drawing near.

A few years ago there were a group of prophets who gained a lot of influence among the charismatic churches prophesying that Las Vegas and Phoenix were going to be nuked- destroyed by fire. It never happened. These people never came out and publicly repented when their prophecies failed.

We must trust the Lord that His grace will be sufficient in any circumstance. He is in control. If I live. If I die. If chaos reigns. If peace prevails(to which end I pray fervently, as directed by the apostles and prophets). If this is the time of the unraveling of the end of the age, I pray that the Lord spends my life for His glory. If not, I pray I leanr more and more each day how to serve Him more effectively. All we can do is trust, wait upon Him, take it one day at a time.

[rosered]

 :thumbsup:  amen!    Glory to GOD for the great things  He has done  and is doing !   :HeartThrob:

  God is the  righteous judge over everything !  , the  HOLY ONE has got this ! we can  rest in that hope totally  :HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

Something I've been noticing is how some believers are reading God's Word for their self. (Often it seems they will share many conclusions about what it says. Especially after getting a good overall view of it?)

And this came to my mind this morning when I read -

Acts 2:17-20 (from Joel)

17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams; 18 and also upon My men-servants, and upon My maid-servants,
in those days, I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy;
19 and I will give wonders in the heaven above, and signs upon the earth beneath
-- blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke,
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood,  [This part often read and taken out of context, and 19a]
before the great and glorious day of the LORD appears.. {this last line highlighted to my mind..  :cloud9:

[marie glen]

:thumbsup:  amen!    Glory to GOD for the great things  He has done  and is doing !   :HeartThrob:

  God is the  righteous judge over everything !  , the  HOLY ONE has got this ! we can  rest in that hope totally  :HeartThrob:

Amen! ..it's beyond me why people get all crazed and, or afraid.. after all any signs given in God's Word are for benefitting hearers, not cursing..

Even y2k, I knew nothing was about to occur, but some folks laughed to think it could ever happen - now we know it can.. Even for storms, ice storms, etc.. to have a little water put aside for your loved ones is only sensible.. since we have come to depend so much upon man's world providing all..

And - imo - it's not a 7 year stretch of what's called (the) tribulation - there's no "the".. but 45 days.. (it's a treaty that's 7yrs, and then broken in the midst against Israel) but some I think will be caught unaware, even though it would likely with God's Spirit and all, be easy for some to "wait for and come to the end of the" 45 days later... Daniel 12:12

[rosered]

Something I've been noticing is how some believers are reading God's Word for their self. (Often it seems they will share many conclusions about what it says. Especially after getting a good overall view of it?)

And this came to my mind this morning when I read -

Acts 2:17-20 (from Joel)

17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams; 18 and also upon My men-servants, and upon My maid-servants,
in those days, I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy;
19 and I will give wonders in the heaven above, and signs upon the earth beneath
-- blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke,
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood,  [This part often read and taken out of context]
before the great and glorious day of the LORD appears..

  Blessings sister Marie    :HeartThrob:   !!!!   Sure can see things that way Marie , but  also consider,   in the other scriptures it says,   Do  not  despise prophesying .

in another place .

  Most that can relate to   both set of scriptures being true  when it is applied   or rightly divided   ,

As Jesus come to cause division    , the true from the false and they sure   should be humbled when  made a liar ,

It says  Let God be   True  and  every man is a liar  , that  any words he speaks   can be justified  by the Lord Jesus Christ   [Spirit of prophecy)    and overcome evil with good   sound words , every word  will be taken into account   ,The Lord says also  in another place .     

Romans 3:4 (ASV)

4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

That you might be justified in your  words,

And might prevail/ overcome  when  you come  into judgment.

Romans 3  explains well     when  God judges  the  heart of  everyone  and its motives  perfectly .

  Many  do not know what spirit they are of  sadly ,   :sigh: if Love/  God  is  not that  pure motive ,to me anyways, at this time .
James and John [the sons of thunder ]  Did not understand this at the time ,the Lord come to visit a city  and rejected Him ,

they were  set to send fire down on them !  But the Lord corrected   them  and  down the road they understood   in their own accounts  , the scriptures of James   and John   that Love prevails .

I am   so grateful    God has everything under control  , what a comfort it truly is ! , and we can bank on that  , no matter what  this world  offers  anyone of us .      :HeartThrob:

[eaglesway]

I think recently the four blood moons sold a few million books for John Hagee and a couple others. Now the eclipse we just had is probably signifigant in some legitimate way because it is such a rare phenomena and may signal something in the Lords timing, but even if it is, who knows what it foretells?

But the sun rises everyday. His mercies are new every morning.

The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
            And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.

      2Day to day pours forth speech,
            And night to night reveals knowledge.

      3There is no speech, nor are there words;
            Their voice is not heard.

      4Their line has gone out through all the earth,
            And their utterances to the end of the world.
            In them He has placed a tent for the sun,

      5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber;
            It rejoices as a strong man to run his course. Psalm 19

[marie glen]

In Acts after Peter and John were arrested and threatened, the body of believers (about 5000? by then) prayed. They didn't pray for safety for their selves, etc, they prayed for the Lord to make them brave enough to preach His message.

[rosered]

In Acts after Peter and John were arrested and threatened, the body of believers (about 5000? by then) prayed. They didn't pray for safety for their selves, etc, they prayed for the Lord to make them brave enough to preach His message.

  Yes  that is beautiful Marie !     reminded me of the scriptures,    they did not love their lives unto death  :thumbsup:

Rev 12 . 11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;

and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.




   Thanks John !     blood moons ,    is a man made term   from the scripture

  The moon shall turn to Blood in Joel , Acts and Revelation

  I agree it has  spiritual   meaning .  The moon being the lesser light and glory  , the old law  covenant that   required blood  [  Jesus is the   Lamb of God ]   all is being fulfilled in Christ      Rev 12     speaks of the  Woman ,  with the moon under her feet   etc  , It  gives a beautiful picture of Gods work   of  unveiling the Lord Jesus Christ   :HeartThrob:

[jugghead]

are we not all prophesying by saying that all of mankind will be saved?

and would not those who say not all will be saved is a false prophet?

just some thoughts

[marie glen]

In Acts after Peter and John were arrested and threatened, the body of believers (about 5000? by then) prayed. They didn't pray for safety for their selves, etc, they prayed for the Lord to make them brave enough to preach His message.

  Yes  that is beautiful Marie !     reminded me of the scriptures,    they did not love their lives unto death  :thumbsup:

Rev 12 . 11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;

and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.




   Thanks John !     blood moons ,    is a man made term   from the scripture

  The moon shall turn to Blood in Joel , Acts and Revelation

  I agree it has  spiritual   meaning .  The moon being the lesser light and glory  , the old law  covenant that   required blood  [  Jesus is the   Lamb of God ]   all is being fulfilled in Christ      Rev 12     speaks of the  Woman ,  with the moon under her feet   etc  , It  gives a beautiful picture of Gods work   of  unveiling the Lord Jesus Christ   :HeartThrob:

...it does.. but I also think "-- blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke, the sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and glorious day of the LORD appears.. to be literal as well as the shaking of the planet - though I think the stars falling appear that way when the last great earthquake occurs.. I don't even think governments know fully just how powerful their bombs are...

you see, it makes sense to me.. which type of parent is better - one who spanks the child and says "because I said so!"

Or the one who tells the child why they should not go a certain way (or do a certain thing) - that's how I think of last days prophecy what's called apocalypse (the unveiling, which i figure occurs when the wrong way(s) result in crashing and burning, as the saying goes.. but which crashing (of the babylon system) and unfortunately the burning of man's empires is the final nail in this good from evil lesson..

Sure the apocalyptic judgment could be thunderbolts thrown from God's throne.. or planet x colliding with the earth.. or whatever.. like a spanking and saying.. don't do it again ("it" being to go away from HIm in any thought, word or deed.. -> can't be done as He is - i believe - life itself.. so very unwise to do so, once we learn that all important lesson (imo)

It's seems logical (and apparent) to me, that is, that mankind is indeed heading that way.. And unless He "cuts those days short, no flesh would survive"..

I believe there is spiritual and metaphorical lessons in all these things.. in history, etc.. and bible accounts. And they are beautiful and important lessons, but I still believe the main lesson is quite seriously literal.. and really quite simple.. (which is likely why we tend to go for the less obvious spiritual lessons, which I think is great and very necessary as long as it doesn't encourage the complete overlaying of what is openly being said..
just my :2c: though.. time will tell :HeartThrob: :girlheart:

[marie glen]

are we not all prophesying by saying that all of mankind will be saved?

and would not those who say not all will be saved is a false prophet?

just some thoughts

   :faint: ...sadly I think that has some truth! ..A lot of truth.. Though I know many ET believers truly do love the Lord.. ..and others are being very strange these days from what I can gather.. as if ET isn't bad enough! which.. it is!

[rosered]

I believe there is spiritual and metaphorical lessons in all these things.. in history, etc.. and bible accounts. And they are beautiful and important lessons, but I still believe the main lesson is quite seriously literal.. and really quite simple.. (which is likely why we tend to go for the less obvious spiritual lessons, which I think is great and very necessary as long as it doesn't encourage the complete overlaying of what is openly being said..
just my :2c: though.. time will tell :HeartThrob: :girlheart:

  I totally agree  sista  Marie  !   , I do look for destruction of this world for sure  [physical] 
Can it honestly  keep going like it is ?!! I mean you would have to have blinders on  lol  not to see it happen  before our  natural eyes  :eek:    There is going to be a whole lotta shakin ; going on

[jabcat]

Thanks everyone.  It's all pretty interesting.  I'm like most, have heard warnings and predictions - even called prophecy - pretty much my whole life.  Not saying it's not as soon as tomorrow, just that it's hard to know in so much noise.

There's the constellation coming up soon, dragon in the sky.  Some believe that's a Revelation sign, others say it occurred at Jesus' birth, probably others say double fulfillment.

Just now I saw this;   "Hurricane Irma will be devastating to U.S.", FEMA chief.  Also, "For the first time in modern history, three hurricanes in the Atlantic are lined up in the most dangerous of ways, according to Eric Blake, a hurricane specialist at the National Hurricane Center."

I don't know the signs and times. Watch and pray, walk with Him each day.

[jugghead]

IMO ..... Mother Nature is just a reflection of the destructive nature of mankind

This earth is the means by which the destructive nature of mankind is made manifest

just as our thoughts and desires are made manifest through our physical body on an individual level

so are the thoughts and desires of mankind made manifest through this physical earth on a corporate level

if mankind (as a whole) is the spirit of destruction, this earth is what manifests that spirit

get rid of the spirit of destruction and we have a new earth with no calamities ...... all is calm

just as we were a slave to sin, so is this earth a slave to the sin of mankind

my  :2c:

[rosered]

  That is fascinating   about the dragon in the sky  James  .  I have never heard of it  before now    :dunno2:

  I do agree there  is a lot of negative noise    in the   air waves , for sure .

, That is an interesting assessment  Jugg   and  believable   with  the scriptures Rev 11  ;18 YLT   


and the nations were angry, and Thine anger did come, and the time of the dead, to be judged,

and to give the reward to Thy servants, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to those fearing Thy name,

to the small and to the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the land.'

I have always considered   that  the  book of  Revelation  ,   Day of the Lord [ 1000 year reign]    could very well be  the Lord  destroying Babylon , the great whore of the  land  and the kings of the earth

And the preparing  of the great supper of God   and carrying out His sentence   and  making a short work in righteousness   in the earth ,

if the 1000  years  is a Day in the Lords sight   ,    than John s testimony   of seeing in the Spirit on the Lords DAY    could come upon the earth at any time  , This I do not doubt it will come , just  trusting  in  Gods Wisdom     today  for  HIS perfect plan

Romans 9 
27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved. 28For the Lord will carry out His sentence on the earth with thoroughness and decisiveness."

29It is just as Isaiah predicted: "Unless the Lord of Hosts had left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom, we would have resembled Gomorrah."...



Isaiah 10:22
For though your people, O Israel, may be like the sand of the sea, Only a remnant within them will return; A destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness.

Isaiah 10:23
For a complete destruction, one that is decreed, the Lord GOD of hosts will execute in the midst of the whole land.



For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make on the earth


This is  the warning for  the living [knowing it is coming surly as Gods Word  is  a witness , by His powerful Holy Sprint   it shall be  done ]   the living  are  waiting  till the Lord comes  to fulfill all things  and the dead , whom do not know anything of the Lords doings .  but ,  every   eye shall see Him  !


  Glory to God in the highest   and on earth peace to men on whom His favor rests!"  We know to expect calamity in the earth   and  trust in  the Lord  on  His  salvation  of  all mankind  ,especially for those whom are trusting , believing and waiting on Him to come . 
I am one whom believes that the 70 AD  destruction was a  token ,a thing serving as a visible or tangible representation of a fact, quality,  sign  or   symbol of   truth   to the  things to come upon the whole world .

[joeteekay]

Very good comments everyone.  :declare:

Humankind has always looked for signs, earthly or heavenly, portending future events. Many speculated on such events as some of you mentioned. Even Halley's comet.
At the height of the cold war I a teenager and was afraid of nuclear devastation on the earth. People were building underground fallout shelters. Movies were made on this theme. This pervasive thinking was a factor in leading me to study the bible, wondering if God had something to say. Many churches which preached end time events drew a significant following. I was in one of them where prophesy was a priority topic. Interpreting the book of Revelation was a favorite. We do not know when the end will come but, as has been said "watch and pray".

Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8  All these are the beginning of sorrows.

:2c:

[rosered]

 
Amen Joeteekay  !!   :HeartThrob:      I have seen this message  of Matt 24 and Luke 21 twice today  already  people seem to be
  waking up to the fact   that GOD  is real ,  Which is a wonderful thing  really ,
and even though it seems scary to some  who do not know God  fully in Christ  , the Truth will prevail and will learn of His righteousness in the earth ,  we whom have been given   this amazing grace  are comforted by   knowing God 's  mercy .

  It is not wrong to be prepared , but I believe they want to preserve  their lives , not being as careful  to hear what the Spirit is saying , the scriptures states  "  in Rev 12  , ...

10And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ.

For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, he who accuses them day and night before our God.


11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;

and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.


12Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time."

None us could ever know when the truth of this scripture is going to be fulfilled  ,

but the Lord said  Himself   is   Luke 21  28When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

We believe Gods Word and  only He is able to make us stand on the solid rock foundation   of His truth , because we do believe   Him .
Oh to be like little obedient  children  , under the protection of His wings . as He also warned  Jerusalem   at the time of His visitation  of   sudden the destruction that was coming upon them all  in 70 ad .

Matt 23 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.

37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together,

as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings,

but you were unwilling!

38Look, your house is left to you desolate....

  When ever I see  the Lord saying any name twice  in  a row  in  the scriptures  ,  it makes me think of  both the  natural and spiritual meaning  of whatever He is speaking of  as a present tense and  future  meaning of His Words coming true .

  Jerusalem   is called  the earthly one as well as the heavenly one   .

Ps , it does seem that in the times of trouble many do come together in a unity of faith in trusting God   only , to make a way when there is no other way possible  .

[marie glen]

Very interesting thoughts all.. I for one am hoping my kids and grandkids will have relatively calm times.. To me, the times ('end' times) seems like a giant wheel turning.. sometimes it speeds up and gains some ground.. I guess like birth pangs (labor)..  i think it's good to have an idea of the signs of the coming times, so hopefully we can somewhat share them with others, who are bound to be fearful if they've no idea what's going on, or the good times following.. That's the thing, as things unfortunately progress, means His arrival is closer.. And God's kingdom, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" - how glorious that will be.. but until them, life is still pretty grand when we know our heavenly Father and Jesus. :thumbsup: :HeartThrob:

IMO ..... Mother Nature is just a reflection of the destructive nature of mankind

This earth is the means by which the destructive nature of mankind is made manifest

just as our thoughts and desires are made manifest through our physical body on an individual level

so are the thoughts and desires of mankind made manifest through this physical earth on a corporate level

if mankind (as a whole) is the spirit of destruction, this earth is what manifests that spirit

get rid of the spirit of destruction and we have a new earth with no calamities ...... all is calm

just as we were a slave to sin, so is this earth a slave to the sin of mankind

my  :2c:

:thumbsup: Sounds right to me, Jugghead..